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Bird-brained idea, or Genius?


Should the Hawks do a deal with the Eagles, sending Wallace to Philly and Kolb to Seattle?

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Facts:

Hasselbeck just turned 34, but barring a career ending injury will be the starter in 2010, the last year of his current contract.  Provided he stays healthy (which he hasn't done in years) and plays well, Seattle could extend his contract for another year or two.

McNabb is about to turn 33, but but barring a career ending injury will be the starter in 2010, the final year of his current contract (restructured last June for pay increases in 2009-10, but no extension yet).  Provided he stays healthy and plays well, Philly would have a tough time not extending his contract.

Kolb was drafted by the Eagles in 2007, early in the 2nd round.  He did not play in '07, very limited in '08, and has started several games in '09 when McNabb was injured, playing very well.  He is in the 3rd year of 4 year deal, so will be FA in 2011.  Philly will either need to release him, make him the starter, or pay him a lot of money for a backup QB.  He will have good value as a FA, not unlike Matt Schaub

Wallace was drafted by the Hawks in 2003, in the 4th round.  He has played extensively during the last 5 seasons during injuries to Hasselbeck and for the most part has played fairly well.  He will have only fair FA value, despite his experience.

Opinion:

Trading Wallace and the Denver pick (late 1st round) to Philly for Kolb and early 3rd round pick (that we sent to Philly last draft, in other words what would have been our pick anyway) has good value for both franchises.  

Value for Seattle:

Kolb has much more upside than Wallace as the future starter, and is a better prospect than Teel.  He should be very capable of stepping in if Hass goes down in 2010 and gives Seattle a legitimate option to not extend Hass contract.  Teel can continue to develop as the future #2.  While signing Kolb to a new contract won't be cheap, it won't be as expensive as a top 15 draft pick.  We get value for Wallace before he's a FA and get back our missing 3rd round pick.  The deal is somewhat reminiscent of the way we obtained Hass, who was stuck behind Favre, from Green Bay. 

Value for Philly:

McNabb is younger than Hass, better and less injury prone.  His future has more legs.  Wallace represents a cheaper backup than Kolb, he has more experience, and he also brings some of the skills of Vick, who should be released anyway because his optional 2nd year will cost Philly $5.2M.  Philly gets another 1st rounder and has two 3rd's, so can afford to give one up.  They can use a mid or late round pick on a developmental QB who could be ready 3-4 years down the road and be a cheap #3 in the interim.

Tidbit: 

So, what do you think Field Gulls, Genius, or a Bird-brained idea?  

Kolb is an avid hunter; it has been reported that the native Texan hunts wild hogs with a couple of dogs and a 12-inch bowie knife. He asserts that controlling the hog population is an essential part of protecting his hometown's crops. "One hog can ruin an entire field of crops in just one night. They dig up and eat the roots. They need to be controlled," says Kolb.[5] 

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First of all, my inner spelling nazi implores you to spell "genius" right.

In my opinion Kolb is worth a hell of a lot more than Seneca. At the very least Seneca and a 2nd round pick for Kolb.

by redwolf75 on Nov 21, 2009 2:05 PM PST reply actions  

I'm so ashamed

I’m usually a pretty good speller, and I knew it didn’t look quite right, but didn’t spell check. My bad.

Since we’d be sending a 1st with Seneca for Kolb and a 3rd, isn’t that roughly equivalent to Seneca and a 2nd for Kolb? Frankly, I thought a 20th overall pick might be a bit rich for Kolb, but also an early 3rd was a bit rich for Seneca, so it all came out in the wash, so to speak.

by diehard82 on Nov 21, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Now I'm the ashamed one.

Simply a failure of reading comprehension on my part, pay no need to my original post. Yes, I would seriously consider pulling the trigger on that trade.

by redwolf75 on Nov 21, 2009 6:13 PM PST up reply actions  

It sounds solid to me.

More than anything, I think our success with Wallace in the wildcat compared to what they’ve done with Vick might sell it, if they’re truly committed to running the wildcat again next year.

by Mind of no mind on Nov 21, 2009 2:30 PM PST reply actions  

I like the deal structure.

The base of the idea has been discussed, if you are interested in reading here: http://www.fieldgulls.com/2009/6/9/903699/trading-for-kevin-kolb

Since that post, Kolb has started a few games and been fairly successful. Enough so, that I would bet that many of the ‘he sucks’ comments might have been swayed.

by Misfit74 on Nov 21, 2009 3:19 PM PST reply actions  

To your point

I think he’s the first QB in NFL history with back to back 300 yd passing games in his first 2 starts. Read that somewhere. I also like the hunting wild hogs with a bowie knife mentality. Surprised nobody has commented on that yet. Bloodthirsty.

by diehard82 on Nov 21, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I like the upside.

But how would it affect drafting a young stud qb? Are you thinking we would not use one of our first rounders on a qb if we got Kolb.

by DJ C-Raig on Nov 21, 2009 3:34 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Yes

Since we’d be trading away the Denver pick, and Kolb would clearly be the plan for post-Hass, no need to spend an early pick on QB.

by diehard82 on Nov 21, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Philly holds onto Kolb for dear life

I have a really hard time seeing them extending McNabb instead of Kolb.

Its a nice thought though. Certainly something to keep an eye on if Philly decides to shop him.

by kearly on Nov 21, 2009 3:35 PM PST reply actions  

I understand the sentiment

but I think Philly will be more inclined to keep McNabb for a few more years than Seattle will be to keep Hass for a few more.

by diehard82 on Nov 21, 2009 9:55 PM PST up reply actions  

There's always a decent shot at landing someone's backup

I would love for Ruskell to look at grabbing a new QB in that fashion. After all, it worked with Hasselbeck. Your point is well taken, it would be cheaper to get a backup through a first round pick than sign a first round pick.

Personally, I’d be pleased with this. Not sure if the Eagles would agree.

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Nov 21, 2009 5:31 PM PST reply actions  

By the way, I'd do this deal even if we didn't get the 3rd rounder back in return

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by crushedoptimist on Nov 21, 2009 5:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Upon further reflection I'd prefer to offer them our 2nd for Kolb

in return for Wallace and a 3rd (although I’d take a 4th). Our 2nd will be overall pick 41 or so. Assuming the Denver pick is at about 20, simply trading down to 25 should net a 3rd rounder (which I’d like to do, if possible). I’d rather have that pick than our early 2nd for obvious reasons. I don’t know of any other team who can offer anyone like Wallace as a solid, experienced backup with Wildcat potential that saves them the Vick $.

by diehard82 on Nov 22, 2009 9:13 AM PST up reply actions  

I like Kolb.

Not sure how much though.

abender20 hates freedom.

by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 21, 2009 7:42 PM PST reply actions  

I like the idea, and would support it, but I think I'd rather just draft a quarterback.

I also happen to disagree with the notion that McNabb is less injury-prone than Hasselbeck.

Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.

by Carl Shinyama on Nov 21, 2009 7:52 PM PST reply actions  

Drafting a quarterback

is riskier, more expensive, and means giving leaving QB a potential problem position for too long while said draft-pick is developing. Even if he’s a stud right off the bat, we’re paying a bazillion dollars for him on top of Curry’s, Tatupu’s, Housh’s, Matt’s contract and more.

And all the land was in ruin, and burnination had forsaken the countryside.

by Cheddar28 on Nov 24, 2009 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

er, that was awkward. Should read:

“means leaving the QB position as a potential shortcoming for too long…”

And all the land was in ruin, and burnination had forsaken the countryside.

by Cheddar28 on Nov 24, 2009 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Thank you for the correction.

I had mashed my 06 injuries with 07 memories if that makes sense.

Although, Matt’s injury in 2004 was fun Anyone remember Trent Dilfer’s 9 yard run that resulted in a 1 yard gain that sealed it against miami?

by Joshua Kasparek on Nov 21, 2009 10:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Donovan McNabb was injured

2002, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, and 2009. Your point?

Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.

by Carl Shinyama on Nov 22, 2009 9:19 AM PST up reply actions  

I like it.

Since we really need to get a QB with one of the 1st rounders, we could avoid the rookie jitters and uncertainty altogether.

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by Wayward Llama on Nov 22, 2009 3:34 AM PST reply actions  

I don't think Kolb is available.

They clearly don’t trust Vick, seeing as he’s getting practically no playing time. They did what we should have done, a long time ago, if not last year. Get a QB of the future in the early rounds to groom behind Hass, now we might have to throw a QB into the fire right away.

by SPENCEMAN on Nov 22, 2009 1:17 PM PST reply actions  

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