Late Game Open Thread
Seattle won a game it was supposed to win. They are 4-7 and with 3 winnable home games they can finish 7-9 (although the Titans and Bucs are looking a lot better). Now we end our 4 day weekend watching our next opponent play the Jaguars and Favre tear up Chicago's sorry franchise.
In some places you'll be lucky enough to see Arizona play Tennessee.
Oh, and Fire Bruce DeHaven. Yes, it has to be said...we cannot go a week without a special teams screw-up.
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Yeah he is.
I thought he was a giant bust before the draft. This shows why I am not and should never be a scout. Though, the bust had little to do with talent and more chiefing the day before a well known mandatory drug test. His mom drove him to Training Camp though, so I guess that kept him out of trouble.
Most middle class people can avoid getting caught blowing smoke
so that does make me wonder about his head, but he’s some kind of gifted athlete.
I chalk it up to him being a dumb kid
Who owned Florida. But I like watching him almost as much as CJ.
That's for sure.
If TJ had chosen Minn, then Harvin probably would not have gone to Minnesota. He should buy TJ a watch or something.
Long run?
Perhaps, but I think his immediate success is due more to Favre. Favre will not be around forever.
5 years from now, he could be out of the league, who knows?
Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.
by Carl Shinyama on Nov 29, 2009 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
You think Favre is making Harvin successful?
I think the entire Vikings offense is making Harvin successful.
By and large, yes.
He’s not the only reason Harvin is successful, but I think the argument is there that Harvin’s primary benefactor is Favre.
How would he do with, say, Tavaris Jackson behind center?
Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.
by Carl Shinyama on Nov 29, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know why anyone would think he would be a bust.
He was a beast in college. Fast, agile, good hands, runs excellent routes.
Now he’s a beast in the NFL. Wish he was ours.
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by Wayward Llama on Nov 29, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
Something tells me
Mike Shanahan will be looking for real estate in the Houston area next year.
by Badmotostinkfinger on Nov 29, 2009 2:12 PM PST reply actions
I dont know much about the Texans
But i thought he was on the hot seat already and it seems like they can’t close games out. I could see him in Chicago as well but they won’t be any good until they get rid of Angelo.
by Badmotostinkfinger on Nov 29, 2009 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
I don't even bother reading his stuff anymore.
It's Great to be a Florida Gator!
"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett
All I want for Christmas is Joe Haden, Eric Berry, and Nandamukong Suh in Seahawks blue.
by Wayward Llama on Nov 29, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
I'm pretty much near that point.
He doesn’t even try to break down football, he just replies with “O-Line did OK against the Rams: Who cares?”
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo
I’ve got Cards/Titans, Vikes/Bears, AND Jax/SF… AND a paper to do.
How about a quiz on Monday
A final on Friday and then another final on the following Monday at 7:30 AM?
ARGH!
ME! BANE!
John, any chance of a podcast in the future?
I always listen to podcasts on my lunch break, being able to listen to Field Gulls would be awesome.
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it would be an excellent addition to the site.
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by Wayward Llama on Nov 29, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed, I really enjoyed them.
It was nice to put on the headphones and hear some good Seahawks coverage for 25 minutes.
SEA!
Branch in a heartbeat.
Healthy and invisible this year.
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"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett
All I want for Christmas is Joe Haden, Eric Berry, and Nandamukong Suh in Seahawks blue.
by Wayward Llama on Nov 29, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
I don't see him lasting after the draft.
I’m sure we could get a pick for him.
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"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett
All I want for Christmas is Joe Haden, Eric Berry, and Nandamukong Suh in Seahawks blue.
by Wayward Llama on Nov 29, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
I stopped worrying about Branch when I noticed in the preseason that Branch and Butler were running the same routes.
Bears gave up a 2nd rounder for Gaines
And he isn’t worth that and neither is Branch.
by Badmotostinkfinger on Nov 29, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
It wouldn't be straight up.
Part of a package. The Bears need receivers and picks, and Seattle has both. As far as Adams: Even if he’s only average to good, he’s entering his prime. Conditional on Seattle reworking his salary, of course.
Or: Branch for Alex Brown.
As A Bears Fan
I’d trade Gaines to the Hawks for a 2nd rounder straight up. Don’t see it happening though.
Isn’t Burleson a FA?
by Badmotostinkfinger on Nov 29, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
I would keep Burleson
Ban him from punt returns forever and have him go through drills so that he stops fumblins so easily. He’s opened up in Knapp’s system.
ME! BANE!
My ideal trade this offseason would be for Robert Gallery.
Or to trade up to get Ndamakung Suh.
Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.
by Carl Shinyama on Nov 29, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
The Bears have to agree to the trade you know?
Branch would not be an option at least.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 29, 2009 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
Jared Allen making Orlando Pace
look old.
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Good.
I’ve taken a few days off because I won’t be able to take January as slow this year.
(Good to see other people)
Vince Young looks quite good.
From the two series I’ve seen today…
Holy shit what a pick by Cedric Griffin.
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Do Bears Receivers
Ever try and make a play for the ball?
by Badmotostinkfinger on Nov 29, 2009 2:31 PM PST reply actions
what recievers?
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by Wayward Llama on Nov 29, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
The Great Joaquin Iglesias
Oops, just another Angelo 3rd rounder who can’t get on the field his rookie year.
by Badmotostinkfinger on Nov 29, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
He makes no sense in that system
Why draft a possession receiver to play in a vertical passing attack?
I dont know
But Angelo has drafted 5 guys in the 3rd round the past 3 years and none of them have played anything but special teams their rookie years. One of them is out of the league now.
by Badmotostinkfinger on Nov 29, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
GO ALOUETTES!
I think.
My parents are insufferable Rider fans.
Pretty awesome watching ex-"Sports Page" guys on TSN.
Ah, the good old days.
Does anyone benefit more from Peterson than Shiancoe?
With his Beastliness in the game, no plays pass against a tight end set.
It would be a good explanation
of Shiancoe’s sudden emergence
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by Wayward Llama on Nov 29, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
Reminds me of Jerramy Stevens in 2005.
Though at the time I argued his speed helped Shaun.
Vince Young took a sack with no timeouts at the Cardinals 11 with a few seconds left.
No FG try as a result.
ME! BANE!
Still 14 for 18 for 184
Not too shabby. Do they still have Volek?
Man, I know the Vikings are good
but the Bears just look pathetic.
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"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett
All I want for Christmas is Joe Haden, Eric Berry, and Nandamukong Suh in Seahawks blue.
the defense is just a shell of what it was a few years ago.
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All I want for Christmas is Joe Haden, Eric Berry, and Nandamukong Suh in Seahawks blue.
by Wayward Llama on Nov 29, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
They haven't added a quality defender since the SB season.
Bad draft after bad draft has caught up with them. This mess is more on Angelo the Lovie.
by Badmotostinkfinger on Nov 29, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
Really?
I think it has a lot more to do with the fact that the Jags’ offensive line is a joke and they get away with close wins against weak opposition.
ME! BANE!
Speaking of which
why does it never come up that Seattle dominated both teams that took an offensive linemen in the top ten? Isn’t drafting an offensive lineman the deus ex machina of winning a Super Bowl? Could it be, that this wasn’t a great tackle draft and Seattle didn’t bleed a pick because of a need?
by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, we may need to give Britton and Monroe time like Curry needs time
Or both teams should not have passed on Crabtree.
It is what it is...
They should get more time
I am just venting frustration about how people interpret the offensive line. It’s overvalued when the team is good and the first line of blame when the offense crumbles.
Interpretation as a function of recollection
A good O line can’t make a QB great. The Vikes are a living testimonial to that truth (Jackson is not even good, but Favre is an MVP candidate). They only allow a good player to realize via production as closely as possible to their potential. A bad line widens the variance of results to potential — making good players appear inconsistent and making mediocre players appear incompetent.
It’s blamed first, because some fans are reluctant to admit the players they root for are mediocre to even bad. Homers are like that.
by Attylathehawk on Nov 30, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Um, because both of those teams sucked?
I’m not sure what you’re getting at. I don’t disagree, but I don’t get it.
And they sucked before they selected an OT and still suck after selecting an OT.
Point is that selecting a tackle over the BAP (Curry) wouldn’t have fixed our team’s problems like many have suggested.
I think this is an overly broad way of explaining their argument
I don’t think anyone here would have said anything would necessarily be “solved” by drafting an offensive lineman. The argument is a little more nuanced than that… they’re basically saying that offensive line was more of a need than linebacker.
All things considered equal, I’d say that having a half-decent tackle would have helped our year a lot more than Curry has so far. Of course, there’s no guarantee that a first-year tackle is going to be half-decent. I was on board with the drafting of Curry at the time, but admittedly in the long term I would easily be as happy with a ten-year starter at LT.
This season does not need help
Seattle was an long shot from snap one. Seattle selected the best talent. Linebacker is not a need, but Seattle can adjust. A team selects the best talent because it is investing in the future.
If he is, I'm not seeing it yet.
I certainly could be wrong in the long term.
He screws up a lot
We all see that. But he has a frame like a defensive end, the closing speed of defensive back and the ferocity of a linebacker. Give the guy time and a few leads to protect and we’ll get our moments.
It's hard if not impossible to develop physical skills like that.
It’s going to be a ton of fun to watch Curry in a season or two.
My only disappointment lies in Curry's coverage skills
But, I never saw him do special things in cover. I was always told he did special things in cover.
I look forward to this.
But shouldn’t this physical ability be showing up right now? I see Hill and Hawthorne making flashier plays right now. All I see out of Curry is bouncing off of Steven Jackson.
The things you remember from a football game is often a bad measure of a player's ability
Remember Curry tearing Jackson up in the first game?
I was replying to the idea he would flash physical talent
And I haven’t seen much of that yet, personally. I do remember that first game, that was about all.
Did Monroe play in the Jags game?
If he did he had just come back from injury and Smith didn’t play today. From what I’ve seen Oher has been the best 1st round OT taken and I know Andre Smith played his first game today.
by Badmotostinkfinger on Nov 29, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
You should be.
Getting flagged for 6 PIs in 5 games says it all.
I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.
No. Embarrasingly so, I thought he was the next Mike Williams
I was wrong. Oh well.
It is what it is...
Pretty amazing body control
and great field quickness. He could of flopped in the wrong system, but I thought he was a good #1 receiver prospect.
Seattle supposidly loved Johnson
Unfortunately, I don’t think Seattle thought Tennessee would draft a RB in round one yet again!
It is what it is...
I think the 49ers will be in the playoffs before the Seahawks.
Figure this is the Cardinals year, and then Warner pops. 2010, the 49ers and Leinart led Cardinals fight it out for top of the crap heap while Seattle and St. Louis break in new arms.
Alex Smith looks great in this offense. Very decisive
I wonder how patient Seattle fan base will be. The losing may (will) continue with a new arm. It is perhaps the one reason I wanted Sanchez this year. If you play a 34 year old QB, you are playing to win.
It is what it is...
Sadly, I agree.
I’m actually in favor of getting rid of certain players to blow up the roster. I’d rather see Walter Jones retire and several contracts restructured so that the Seahawks wouldn’t have to give up talent in order to gain talent that they can build around for the next several years.
Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.
by Carl Shinyama on Nov 29, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
NFC West has a rotational thing going here
Since the realignment:
2002 – 49ers have a good but not great team in a weak division in which the Rams are killed by injuries. Arizona is embarrassing and the Seahawks finish 7-9.
2003 – Dennis Erickson comes and the 49ers can’t win on the road. Seattle is the up and coming team that gets a wild card spot at 10-6. The Rams are healthy and have a great offense. Arizona is embarrassing.
2004 – T.O leaves and the 49ers capitulate. Seattle underachieves and loses some heartbreakers. St. Louis is on the decline but do enough to sneak into the playoffs thanks to a weak NFC. Arizona is embarrassing.
2005 – Seattle’s patience breaks through and they make it to the Super Bowl. San Francisco is in rebuilding mode. St. Louis slowly loses the players that made them great for several years and they miss the playoffs. Arizona is terrible.
2006 – Seattle makes the playoffs based on other teams sucking. SF overachieves. The Rams are embarrassing and the Cardinals are below-average.
2007 – Seattle shows they have enough in them for one more division title. The Niners are embarrassing. Arizona is improving. St. Louis is rebuilding.
2008 – Seattle is injured badly and collapses. Arizona is slightly above-average when they could be elite. St. Louis is rebuilding. SF is slightly improving.
2009 – Seattle’s run of dominance is over. Arizona is above-average. St. Louis is still rebuilding. SF is slightly improving to the point of darkhorse division contention.
ME! BANE!
Niners still have a shot this year
Albeit a small one. If they win next week it could be a Monday Night game for the division lead though.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 29, 2009 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
Makes me actually feel sorry for Pace.
Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.
by Carl Shinyama on Nov 29, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
The employees of Lowes really seem to share in J Johnson's victories.
I wonder how many of them actually know what NASCAR stands for? lol
I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.
Yeah, the "employees" on the commercial
are probably not representative of the Lowe’s working base.
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"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett
All I want for Christmas is Joe Haden, Eric Berry, and Nandamukong Suh in Seahawks blue.
by Wayward Llama on Nov 30, 2009 4:18 AM PST up reply actions
Wow, Chris Johnson is a freak.
His speed to run past the secondary’s angles was crazy.
I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.
If he's not already in that conversation he will be soon, at this rate.
I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.
He's at 1400 yards right now, over six yards a carry.
Could easily hit 2000 this year.
So you're saying he's in the talk or at 2000 he'll be in there?
Because for me, 2000 isn’t a necessity to have that conversation.
I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.
Neither, really.
Just pointing out some numbers.
They've gotten away from that, for sure.
But that was the route de jour for most of the season.
I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.
I think he's hurt. He's definitely old. And he wasn't strong to begin with.
But not a lot of quarterbacks can throw a 20 yard out with a lot of zip. Especially when your receivers aren’t getting the seperation they need.
Maybe I'm a hater
but I think Peterson will be a nightmare when he loses his first gear. A nightmare for fans.
The Vikings O-line will still be good and the fans will blame them for Peterson's decline.
We’ll all laugh.
SEA!
It doesn't make sense
Considering how incredibly powerful AP’s hands are
by aerozeppelin on Nov 29, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
Things could always be worse.
The Bears don’t have a 1st or 2nd in the upcoming draft.
I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.
Wow, interesting play the Titans just ran.
A fake screen outside, then throw it inside to the TE.
I think the NFL should instantly switch non-competitive games in non-market areas
must I watch the Vikings grind the Bears into dust?
http://atdhe.net/index.html
Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.
by Carl Shinyama on Nov 29, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
it's a nice thought, but only works about 25% of the time.
It's Great to be a Florida Gator!
"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett
All I want for Christmas is Joe Haden, Eric Berry, and Nandamukong Suh in Seahawks blue.
by Wayward Llama on Nov 30, 2009 4:20 AM PST up reply actions
Because Favre is out there, just having fun.
And apparently we need to witness it.
It's Great to be a Florida Gator!
"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett
All I want for Christmas is Joe Haden, Eric Berry, and Nandamukong Suh in Seahawks blue.
by Wayward Llama on Nov 30, 2009 4:21 AM PST up reply actions
This annoyed me yesterday as well
I really wanted to see the end of that awesome Cards/Titans game and instead got to see the Vikings make the game a 20 something point lead. And on the other channel I was stuck watching SD run it up on KC.
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which one?
the DODOO DEEDO DEEDODEEDO DO DO?
Bears are alot like the Hawks
Horrible lines, poor running game, bad secondary, no pass rush, QB getting killed every week.
by Badmotostinkfinger on Nov 29, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
I was thinking about which situation I'd rather be in.
Would I rather have a team with what could be good scheme but unable to execute that because the most important player on the field is incapable? Or would I rather have a team that runs a horrid scheme, should have the most important player on the field in position, but needs a lot of around that?
I think the Hawks have a less arduous road back, especially given the lack of picks for the Bears.
Just not too worried about that
I think Seattle avoids the huge bust and mid-range busts are not as debilitating as they are made out to be.
If Holmy comes back.
We may see a return of Zorn and the emergence of Jason Campbell in blue.
It's Great to be a Florida Gator!
"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett
All I want for Christmas is Joe Haden, Eric Berry, and Nandamukong Suh in Seahawks blue.
by Wayward Llama on Nov 30, 2009 4:23 AM PST up reply actions
That's why we drop Hass, drop Seneca.
Draft a QB, sign a vet.
Arizona should finish 12-4
But it’s dependent on their health and interest in playing well at home.
ME! BANE!
Harvin and Rice are products of Favre, no?
Rice was an afterthought until this year.
It is what it is...
I wasn't trying to be a dick.
You just blew my mind and I realized I might have had it wrong this whole time.
I've discussed this with my sister, who is now a resident, over Thanksgiving.
Early med school forces a hurried and singularly focused packing of the brain. As a result, you end up getting more stupid at everything else like spelling and linguistic skills. I spent nearly 5 minutes yesterday trying to come up with the word ‘insecure’ as a descriptor in a conversation and couldn’t locate it.
I firmly believe this to be true.
Al my med school friendos have became more and more “world stupid” as their terms grow.
They also become common sense stupid too, even in their medical treatments of degenerative diseases
Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.
by Carl Shinyama on Nov 29, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
Versus Leinart, no less.
Oh, horseshoe of a ST play for Arizona.
HERE COMES THE MIRACLE.
Great punt and result.
Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.
by Carl Shinyama on Nov 29, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
Kind of funny
That Chicago has a very realistic shot at having a worse record than us thus Denver will get a higher 1st round pick than both of our 1st round picks.
ME! BANE!
I used to play with Chris Szarka, the Roughriders' FB.
Can’t believe he’s still playing.
Buck must be so thankful for getting Vikings games.
Instead of one Jeter, he gets Peterson AND Favre.
For all of Jaren Allen's talents, I can't get over the suspicion that he's an insufferable jackhole.
Check it out...your suspicions may be rewarded.
I feel like I just typed a line from a Choose Your Own Adventure book.
I need to go see that.
Is it any different from other Tony Jaa movies?
Disappointing to say the least
I learned after I watched it that Jaa fired his regular director and made it a personal project.
I saw Ninja Assassin.
Not very good overall, but lots of ninjas and blood. Fun times.
Yeah, it wasn't campy enough.
Though the last action sequences were awesome. Ninjageddon.
Jason Statham is sex
Transporter movies would be meh without him
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"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett
All I want for Christmas is Joe Haden, Eric Berry, and Nandamukong Suh in Seahawks blue.
by Wayward Llama on Nov 30, 2009 4:26 AM PST up reply actions
Can't believe
Fox didn;t switch over, thanks channelsurfing!
by Badmotostinkfinger on Nov 29, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
Okay
The rule is that the network can’t switch to another game that is that far ahead of the current game.
The Cards game is ending before the Vikings game so that would involve switching to one game and then going back to the Vikings game. FOX can’t do that.
Blame the NFL.
ME! BANE!
Hey, I've watched him over the past few weeks.
I’d be on that bandwagon. He’s looked very good. His passing has been great.
If it was blocked and returned, it would be worth 2 points and the game would be tied
You could make the argument that the safest play for Tennessee would have been a kneel, actually.
Is it ok to still not believe in VY?
by Badmotostinkfinger on Nov 29, 2009 4:13 PM PST reply actions
McCoy needs to go to the Combine and throw outs against pro quality defensive backs.
He’s so hard to read.
As of right now
I like McCoy the most of the QB options for Seattle. But he does need some pro quality competition, that’s for sure.
Clausen and Locker I think might be Top 10
But I dont think any of them are worth the pricetag, just wait a year and hopefully they’ll have a rookie cap and get one then. Unless they drop deeper in the first round this year.
by Badmotostinkfinger on Nov 29, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed
But if people are telling him he’s Top 10 and with a chance of a lockout and rookie cap, he might be mad not to. But if he gets thrown in the fire right away he’ll end up a bust.
by Badmotostinkfinger on Nov 29, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
I agree.
But those who are thinking of dead presidents might be inclined to disagree.
Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.
by Carl Shinyama on Nov 29, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
Teams would be mad to be draft him high
But someone will and so I could hardly blame him from passing up one more year of terrible OL play to take millions of dollars right now.
That's why someone more rational than him should talk him into
leading the Huskies to glory. Hell, the Rose Bowl is up for grabs as soon as next season.
I don't know, if he comes back the media will get tired of towing his line as UW continues to lose
“He’s not sharp today” will turn into “He’s not very accurate”. Less tape of his arm and some youth to sell his upside might be the best thing for Locker.
Well perhaps that would require someone who is irrational to argue that
Of course he should stay, he’ll have a better chance if he gets another year to work on his passing against college players instead of pros. But it’s risky to stay, too, he might drop his stock (injury, poor play, better QB’s in the draft class, etc).
Bradford had about as bad a season this year as a player can
and he’s still in the discussion for first overall.
Yeah, I think he's the guy who will go to workouts and the combine and scouts will drool
They’ll overlook the negatives because of the potential.
by Badmotostinkfinger on Nov 29, 2009 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
I could see him in St. Louis, especially with Bulger hurt again.
They already have a ton invested in the O-line and have a running back. Maybe Spags will make them so D-line, they need a tackle.
SEA!
I think they are after a quarterback
The Kyle Boller signing does bewilder though. Spags might want a better arm than Clausen’s.
I could see them being very intrigued if a dominant DT is there at their pick.
I think Clausen is the only QB worthy of taking at no. 2 (as of right now).
SEA!
I see spags drooling already with Dunlap and Long paired up.
Just let Clausen fall past the top 5 and Seattle can trade up.
SEA!
Is Long even playing?
I thought Clayton said he was benched and I didn’t hear his name today, or really all season for that matter.
by Badmotostinkfinger on Nov 29, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
I think he's starting, I know he played.
He’s been quiet this season, but still a great talent and DE’s can take a while to break out.
SEA!
McCoy And Suh are both Top 10 DT prospects
If the Browns have the 1st pick i dont see them taking a DT unless they switch to a 4-3 with a new coach or trade Rogers.
by Badmotostinkfinger on Nov 29, 2009 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
I imagine the Browns would love to trade out of the 1st pick.
They probably need a QB, but they’re already paying Anderson and Quinn a ton of money.
SEA!
Seattle would trade him for something reasonable
like a third round pick, and then take on some part of his salary.
Dump Anderson
Quinn might have some hope, Anderson is just brutal.
Problem is, no one wants the first pick.
by Badmotostinkfinger on Nov 29, 2009 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
Clausen?
Locker? Both could come out…
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 29, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
He bitches about it in the comment section at TMZ
by Badmotostinkfinger on Nov 29, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
I think Favre and Jetes are under the bed snorting blow and stifling giggles.
by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Joe Buck frowns disapprovingly at Michael
Takes the choke pear out of his mouth, says something about excessive display of accomplishment, and goes to find Jeter; grabbing a bottle of Apple Schnapps on the way out.
He catches his son mildly celebrating a success in his life
And harangues him for an hour.
by Gihyou on Nov 29, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Very good.
Wielding his and his father’s success as a weapon for shaming.
by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 4:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He said Oher disputed that he was a "babe in the woods" on the football field
and that Oher was not as blank and impressionable as the film portrays.
Well, that's typical Hollywood.
Transferring all agency to the white characters. God knows black people can’t do anything without a heroic white person to help them out.
I'm pretty sure Oher is not a fan of the movie
He’s not giving it any support. Not that I blame him, based upon previews that show his story being turned into a Sandra Bullock Academy Award campaign.
Didn't the movie make 35 mill last week?
Yeah, the movie is probably a steaming pile of pretentious crap, but i’ve gotta think Oher is getting a cut of that. You can say whatever you want about me if i get a nice chunk of change.
by Badmotostinkfinger on Nov 29, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
This Grey Cup kind of sucks.
Not enough offense.
I can't think of one.
Holmgren would take that job if you gave him absolute power, and the way that franchise is going…why would you not?
French people, in Calgary?
They could get killed.
Wide receivers do not get great separation on every play
but a quarterback still must be able to make passes.
Is everyone prepared for the Tebow Era?
If Dixon slices up eyeballs tonight, don’t think Knapp won’t notice. With the green dot and the Wildcat, this moving pocket, spread option style attack could be all over the NFL.
If Tebow had sex with Sarah Palin
Would she give birth to an angel?
by Badmotostinkfinger on Nov 29, 2009 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
and have you seen Tebow's girlfreind?
already pretty much an angel. with huge boobs.
Not his GF
But that chick recently did a photoshoot in nothing but bodypaint.
http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/tebow-photo-girl-goes-nude-in-tebow-bodypaint-27028
by Badmotostinkfinger on Nov 29, 2009 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
I'd be pretty shocked if Ruskell doesn't have a man-crush on Tebow.
Especially when you throw his heart, determination, etc. in there.
SEA!
Well, if you ever spend 10 minutes with the guy it will make you a better person
by Badmotostinkfinger on Nov 29, 2009 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
I bet Tebow is a great guy
but if he throws ducks like he does in college he better polish up on his lead blocking.
That may be the first thing he's done wrong his whole life!
That comment made me want to gag.
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I was quoting Thom from last years National Championship game
In case you didn’t know. I can’t stand the guy.
by Badmotostinkfinger on Nov 29, 2009 5:19 PM PST up reply actions
You really think so?
Even with the success of the Wildcat it’s still just a novelty for almost every team. I mean, I’d love to have some more exotic offenses, but I don’t see one game changing all that much.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 29, 2009 5:19 PM PST up reply actions
They need to clean that coaching staff
The fact that:
A.) They keep playing Delhomme when even his just as bad backups can’t do any worse.
B.) They use Delhomme instead of running it more consistently.
Is enough to realize they’re incapable of leading a talented team.
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He's money
Single-handedly fighting to get the Niners a top 10 pick in the draft.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 29, 2009 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
No way.
2005 NFC Championship game. Thanks, Jake.
Please explain
For those of us who don’t have memories that go back that far…
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 29, 2009 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
Oh okay
Yes, I have a vague memory of that game now.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 29, 2009 5:22 PM PST up reply actions
They'll inexplicably draft Jevan Snead (yeah he'll come out)
When Snead should be picked in the 6th round.
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Yeah they do
They will trade Shaun Hill and Nate Davis in the offseason and Alex Smith will have a career-ending injury next week.
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Maybe not
Smith’s looked good lately. I’m not even joking, honestly. For the most part the problems have been with the line.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 29, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
Um, okay
Yes I realize he’s been terrible in the past. But he’s 25, it’s not like he can’t be any good. If you watched the games you might feel differently. I doubt the Niners take a QB in the first round with the way thigns are going right now.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 29, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
John seemed excited about a certain average QB in D.C.
Who’s also what, 3 or 4 years older than Smith? With a better line?
If he was a 25 year old Seahawk, would he still have no possibility of improving?
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 29, 2009 5:34 PM PST up reply actions
Smith has looked better than Campbell for 2 games.
Campbell has looked better than Smith for 3 years.
SEA!
2 games?
Smith has played 7 games I think. Campbell is also much older than Smith, like I said, and has played on much better teams.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 29, 2009 5:37 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe I'm wrong about this but Smith doesn't have the tools that Campbell does
And Smith has not been at all successful where Campbell has been about average.
Which tools?
I think Campbell’s arm is a bit better (although Smith’s is fine), but I’m not sure what else he’s got on Smith.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 29, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions
Arm strength, accuracy, mobility, pocket presense, hand size, etc.
I’m not saying Campbell is great at any of those or better than Smith at all of them, just that on average he has better tools.
Eh
Other than hand size, I don’t really agree.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 29, 2009 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
But he was actually referring to the Panthers anyway.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 29, 2009 5:27 PM PST up reply actions
Or maybe not
But either way the Niners are probably better off than the Seahawks are at QB right now.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 29, 2009 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
Coin flip?
If you’re referring to draft position there is no coin flip unless opponents record are the same.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 29, 2009 5:31 PM PST up reply actions
No dude
Opponents records, not the actual team’s records. Carolina has a higher opponents winning percentage than Seattle, so Seattle would pick first.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 29, 2009 5:35 PM PST up reply actions
Huh....And then divisional and conference records
Is it just me or do they always say coin flip when two teams have the same record?
Only when the opp. win percentage is the same
It does seem like there would hardly ever be coin flips then though, maybe it’s a new rule.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 29, 2009 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
Defense does not equal a low scoring game.
Two good defenses often cause scoring through sudden field position changes and touchdowns.
Who is this blonde chick?
This song is terrible, but she makes me feel funny.
Until she exploded… WTF?
Wow, isn't she like 48 years old?
Nice CGI work.
No.
If BOTH Dixon and the backup get hurt, Ben goes in “just to hand off”.
Weird.
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I know.
I’ve been sitting here all day. Just spouting. Even the Grey Cup has been terrible.
The biggest play of the day? The Britt catch? Missed THAT one.
One sided.
And I know Saskatchewan’s from the West, but I just can’t bring myself to cheer for them.
Got a question for you guys.
Pick one QB, any QB, that you could have start for the Seahawks next year and for the future.
Long term I still probably go Peyton
But Aaron Rogers looks like he might be the best QB in the game within a few years.
by Badmotostinkfinger on Nov 29, 2009 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I think I agree.
It’s a tougher question than I first thought. There’s not a whole lot of obviously good, really young talent out there right now.
Leno and Dane Cook in the same room is dangerous
Might create a vortex of suck powerful enough to end the world
Leno is actually very funny when you get him away from his demographic.
67 year olds simply have no sense of humour.
Ruskell avoided the anual panicky trade of a late round draft pick this year
Maybe he can dodge the bad free agent signing too.
I don't like Austin
I like Ward’s style of WR play, but I think he’s a shit head and wouldn’t mind RayRay crumpling him.
Huh.
I just like the idea of a Brandon Jacobs type with better lateral movement that won’t cost us a 1st round pick.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 29, 2009 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
It would be a nice combo.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 29, 2009 6:20 PM PST up reply actions
Toby Gerhart
Stanford Running back that has 26 rushing TD’s this year.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 29, 2009 6:21 PM PST up reply actions
Ran like a crazy man last night.
And threw a TD.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 29, 2009 6:33 PM PST up reply actions
On 4th and 4
Insane call but Notre Dame sucks so it can work
Canadian spelling?
“Color”
And yes he isn’t John Morgan approved.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 29, 2009 6:37 PM PST up reply actions
Yes.
I am Canadian. Sorry, I’ll translate:
(skin color). Huh.
I'm just giving you a hard time :)
I always noticed this when I went to Canada.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 29, 2009 6:41 PM PST up reply actions
WTF? Am I missing something here?
Is there some racist idea that only black guys can be successful running backs in the NFL?
Even if this is only a joke, it’s not a very funny one.
Where have you been?
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 29, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry, it's an in joke.
You’d have to be around. Goes back at least a year or so on this board. It’s ironic/sarcastic.
Trust me, I’m all in favour of white running backs.
This has been a joke in the NFL for 10+ years.
The John Morgan thing is a FG meme.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 29, 2009 6:53 PM PST up reply actions
Hey, it's ex-BC Lion Stephan Logan.
I miss that guy. So bloody quick.
He is more John approved anyway.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 29, 2009 6:20 PM PST up reply actions
Not a cougar fan?
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 29, 2009 6:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And by cougar I mean Sandra Bullock
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 29, 2009 6:36 PM PST up reply actions
If this was 1995, I'd be all for it.
Damn she was hot in “Speed”.
Who says she hasn't.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 29, 2009 6:40 PM PST up reply actions
Eh
It’s a movie about white people showing off to other white people that they’re progressive and willing to help a poor black person. I’ve seen this already
White chicks?
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 29, 2009 6:38 PM PST up reply actions
I think this is a overreaction.
They’re very few things I’d prefer death over.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 29, 2009 6:40 PM PST up reply actions
That's a common mistake.
You can tell them apart because the dude from Chuck is occasionally entertaining.
by BrianL on Nov 29, 2009 6:44 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I disagree.
But only because I don’t find either entertaining.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 29, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
Well...yeah that would work.
“I’ll come at you fast like a Northern Bullet.”
But it was more along the lines of “”http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X6PHdjwMhI" >Boosh!"
WTF?
The “command centre” is requesting we review the play.
Wow, incredible ending.
Roughriders shit the bed.
Sick ending
Montreal misses the FG that would’ve won it but the Riders get called for too many men on the field.
Now they do win it on the 2nd try.
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Yeah.
One for the ages. Too many men? Holy shit.
But seriously can anyone name a good white running back that has play in the last 25 years?
Excluding Mike Alstott because he was more of a FB.
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Or Cornerback for that matter.
Besides Jason Sehorn.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 29, 2009 6:58 PM PST up reply actions
John Riggins
it hasn’t been 25 years, has it?
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
1985
So 24 years.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 29, 2009 7:00 PM PST up reply actions
Lots of steering happens in college
white guys with RB skills often steered to other positions with greater longevity at the DI level (QB, LB, WR, S). Tons of white RBs in high school and lower levels of college play.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
I'm just curious as to why that happens.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 29, 2009 7:05 PM PST up reply actions
I know there's some sociology of sport research on this.
I’ll try to find it.
I’m trying to remember, because the interesting thing about football is that, unlike the other pro sports, amateur (high school age) football is regulated by schools.
There’s not a great reason to have such a stark racial difference at a single position.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
I think Alstott was used as a RB
He certainly was not a classic Tom Rathman kind of fullback. He was always more of a RB who operated primarily from a 1 back set. He never really blocked for Warrick Dunn.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
As he did do some blocking.
But was definitely a runner.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 29, 2009 7:11 PM PST up reply actions
Nope.
I followed Alstott from the time he played as a soph at Purdue.
They lined them up together but Alstott was never a good blocker. He was always a better runner. That started at Purdue when he didn’t block (well) for the big-time RB recruit they got out of Chicago—a kid named Corey Rogers. Alstott proved to be the better runner but not much of a blocker.
That followed him to Tampa. The Bucs often lined Alstott and Dunn up together but rarely ran plays where Dunn followed Alstott into the hole. He was never that kind of fullback.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Hmm.
The Bucs often lined Alstott and Dunn up together
Maybe this is what I was thinking of.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 29, 2009 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
This was a sore point for a LONG time for me
Alstott got the cheap ticket to the Pro Bowl for many years as a “fullback” when really Tampa ran a lot of split back stuff with he and Dunn.
Took at least a couple away from Mack.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Wow, that was when Anthony Thomas was the starting RB in Chicago.
Who remembers the A-Train?
Hated that guy
more hype on less production than perhaps any player I have ever seen—from college onward.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
People got all crazy over Jacob Hester
who only had straight line speed.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Brian Lenoard.
Peyton Hills has his moment in the sun.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 29, 2009 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
Good looking pass by Dixon that Wallace
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Lucky timing by the DB
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
CB dove and swiped w/o ever seeing the ball. Timed it just right.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Oher (and Heep) got worked on that play by Woodley
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
I'm impressed Michaels pronounced Sepulveda correctly
No one goes to LA and pronounces the street name right
Uhhhhh I just found the following:
http://www.profootballweekly.com/2009/11/29/source-seahawks-gm-ruskell-wont-return
Take it with a grain of salt for now. It’s also in the fanshot section.
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"inside sources"
For what it’s worth, the media is trying it’s best.
Yeah that's why I'm hesitant to consider this true
But it’s out there so let’s see what happens.
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Been thinking about white RBs
Really, the question is why aren’t white guys between 5’8" and 6’2" playing RB in the NFL?
Non-football reasons
- starting at the high school level, white athletes are spread across a wide array of scholarship and non-scholarship sports; whereas black athletes are highly (almost exclusively) concentrated in football and basketball
Football reasons
- FCS schools and mid-majors have plenty of white running backs; so the shortage is really at top 50 FBS programs — the ones we see on TV
- At those programs players are looking for the surest, quickest route to the league — RB is super-competitive, highly susceptible to injury, with a very short career path; many who can play another position will
- Old-fashioned steering based on stereotype (coaches more likely to keep a stiff-hipped black athlete at RB and switch a comparable white athlete to LB).
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Or the most important reason: genetics.
Various populations have different mixes of fast-twitch and slow-twitch muscles. Playing sports at the highest level requires the most exceptional levels of athletic ability, and white people tend to have more slow-twitch in the mix. While it’s not impossible that a white person could play running back at the NFL level, the odds are just stacked.
Don't buy the relevance of the fast-twitch/slow-twitch argument
I’m not saying there is no such thing as fast- or slow-twitch, but their specific relevance to playing running back is pretty questionable; for the same reason that the fastest 40 times don’t always make the best backs.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
How is it questionable?
Fast twitch moves your muscles quicker, RBs are better when they are quicker and can hit the hole…boom.
Because it comes pretty close to begging the question
Good running back have are fast-twitch.
Why?
Because fast twitch makes for good runners.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
should say "Good running backs have fast-twitch"
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Vision and strength can get you through high school and low level colleges.
Eventually, you need someone with vision, strength, AND top notch quickness/speed.
Watch the movie Hoop Dreams.
Only the best of the best survive at each level of cut.
I always think of John's comments about
Usain Bolt. The physical difference between Bolt and the second place finisher are probably unbelievably minor while the results are drastic.
The best measures we have of "fast twitch" for football players are...
40 times
shuttle times
vertical leap
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the guys with the best measurables aren’t necessarily the best backs.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
It's not clear that Emmitt Smith ever did
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
You're missing the point.
It’s not that measurables are the most important thing. It’s that a lot of the other stuff is learnable and therefore isn’t a limiting factor. Any kid can the best angles in a zone blocking scheme. Few possess the ability to read it pre-snap, have the vision to decide where to go, AND ACTUALLY DO IT.
I don't think I'm missing it. I'm not sure I agree
As I understand it you’re saying that those guys must be so-called “fast twitch” guys. I’m disagreeing with that notion.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Also, that wouldn't explain why the white guys who can run such a time play safety or centerfield
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
I think you are mixed up in what Fast Twitch is.
It does not necessarily make you fast or jump farther. It means that your muscles “twitch” or make a single motion faster. So it is not as though a black RB would run faster than a white Safety, but they could move more quickly, not necessarily faster. This is most readily seen in lateral motion.
What "fast-twitch" means often changes depending on who uses the term
but even using your notion of lateral quicks, we should be able to see that—or at least a reasonable approximation of it—a priori by measuring lateral movement, like in the 3-cone shuttle.
If that is so, then the best backs on those measures should be the best in the NFL, right?
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Fast-twitch is a black and white biological definition.
Wiki.I don’t have time to continue debating this, but you’ve ignored the other factors. You need the teachable aspects as well, but the very fact that they are teachable or learnable means that they won’t be limited to biological groupings. Eventually, you’re only going to see the best athletes succeeding at the highest level. I’m not claiming, however, that quickness is the only measure that matters. Don’t Ninjasocks.
That was hilariously poor word choice, even Freudian.
Fast-twitch vs. slow-twitch is a clearcut dichotomy.
No one is denying the existence of fast- or slow-twitch fibers
I said that explicitly. You claimed—explicitly—that it was the most important most important factor in determining why whites do not play RB.
I don’t think I agree with that claim. The existence of a preponderance of muscle fibers in a particular group in the population is not ipso facto proof of anything. Not when talking about a position, RB, so closely related in physical demands to other positions on the field.
I can’t see any reason why fast-twitch muscle fiber isn’t at least as important to playing LB as running back. Yet there is no shortage of white LBs.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Not sure why "most important" appeared 3 times.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
They need less explosion/power than a RB?
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
I see where speed is less important
but power is why lots of college LBs are bulked up when they come to the pros.
Many colleges take HS safeties, precisely because of their speed and bulk them up to add power then turn them to LBs.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Who is Ninjasocks?
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Banned user (as of 3 weeks ago)
He always played blog lawyer here and nitpicked things for no reason. Just picked fights for the sake of it.
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Ridiculous. Two terrible calls in favor of PIT in this game.
Phantom block in the back and an obvious PI not called on Taylor earlier in the game.
Right now, Broncos are higher on my hate list
For obvious reasons. If Stealers get the Wildcard and the Broncos don’t, I wouldn’t mind.
by aerozeppelin on Nov 29, 2009 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
Not a great series for the Ravens
and a short punt as well
That was fun.
Good game, Stealers lose…time to take a shower and head to the lab. Evenin’ home-slices.

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