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Late Game Open Thread

Seattle won a game it was supposed to win. They are 4-7 and with 3 winnable home games they can finish 7-9 (although the Titans and Bucs are looking a lot better). Now we end our 4 day weekend watching our next opponent play the Jaguars and Favre tear up Chicago's sorry franchise.

In some places you'll be lucky enough to see Arizona play Tennessee.

Oh, and Fire Bruce DeHaven. Yes, it has to be said...we cannot go a week without a special teams screw-up.

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Being told by Texans fans

Brian Russell did not play today. He was inactive.

ME! BANE!

by SSreporters on Nov 29, 2009 2:05 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah he is.

I thought he was a giant bust before the draft. This shows why I am not and should never be a scout. Though, the bust had little to do with talent and more chiefing the day before a well known mandatory drug test. His mom drove him to Training Camp though, so I guess that kept him out of trouble.

by DJ C-Raig on Nov 29, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Most middle class people can avoid getting caught blowing smoke

so that does make me wonder about his head, but he’s some kind of gifted athlete.

by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I chalk it up to him being a dumb kid

Who owned Florida. But I like watching him almost as much as CJ.

by DJ C-Raig on Nov 29, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe he just didn't care

certainly did not hurt him in the long run.

by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

That's for sure.

If TJ had chosen Minn, then Harvin probably would not have gone to Minnesota. He should buy TJ a watch or something.

by DJ C-Raig on Nov 29, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Long run?

Perhaps, but I think his immediate success is due more to Favre. Favre will not be around forever.

5 years from now, he could be out of the league, who knows?

Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.

by Carl Shinyama on Nov 29, 2009 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

You think Favre is making Harvin successful?

I think the entire Vikings offense is making Harvin successful.

by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

By and large, yes.

He’s not the only reason Harvin is successful, but I think the argument is there that Harvin’s primary benefactor is Favre.

How would he do with, say, Tavaris Jackson behind center?

Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.

by Carl Shinyama on Nov 29, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know why anyone would think he would be a bust.

He was a beast in college. Fast, agile, good hands, runs excellent routes.

Now he’s a beast in the NFL. Wish he was ours.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett

All I want for Christmas is Joe Haden, Eric Berry, and Nandamukong Suh in Seahawks blue.

by Wayward Llama on Nov 29, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Something tells me

Mike Shanahan will be looking for real estate in the Houston area next year.

by Badmotostinkfinger on Nov 29, 2009 2:12 PM PST reply actions  

I dont know much about the Texans

But i thought he was on the hot seat already and it seems like they can’t close games out. I could see him in Chicago as well but they won’t be any good until they get rid of Angelo.

by Badmotostinkfinger on Nov 29, 2009 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't even bother reading his stuff anymore.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett

All I want for Christmas is Joe Haden, Eric Berry, and Nandamukong Suh in Seahawks blue.

by Wayward Llama on Nov 29, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm pretty much near that point.

He doesn’t even try to break down football, he just replies with “O-Line did OK against the Rams: Who cares?”

by DJ C-Raig on Nov 29, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo

I’ve got Cards/Titans, Vikes/Bears, AND Jax/SF… AND a paper to do.

by djafrot on Nov 29, 2009 2:17 PM PST reply actions  

How about a quiz on Monday

A final on Friday and then another final on the following Monday at 7:30 AM?

ARGH!

ME! BANE!

by SSreporters on Nov 29, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

7:30?

What is this sick school you go to

by DetectiveM on Nov 29, 2009 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Alex Smith looking good against the Jaguars.

Makes me feel worse about Matt tearing them up.

SEA!

by MFAN on Nov 29, 2009 2:23 PM PST reply actions  

John, any chance of a podcast in the future?

I always listen to podcasts on my lunch break, being able to listen to Field Gulls would be awesome.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett

All I want for Christmas is Joe Haden, Eric Berry, and Nandamukong Suh in Seahawks blue.

by Wayward Llama on Nov 29, 2009 2:24 PM PST reply actions  

Sure

I love doing podcasts, but was never satisfied with the quality.

by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

it would be an excellent addition to the site.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett

All I want for Christmas is Joe Haden, Eric Berry, and Nandamukong Suh in Seahawks blue.

by Wayward Llama on Nov 29, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed, I really enjoyed them.

It was nice to put on the headphones and hear some good Seahawks coverage for 25 minutes.

SEA!

by MFAN on Nov 29, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Branch in a heartbeat.

Healthy and invisible this year.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett

All I want for Christmas is Joe Haden, Eric Berry, and Nandamukong Suh in Seahawks blue.

by Wayward Llama on Nov 29, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

He has no place in this offense

they tried using him on screens and he got blown up.

by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't see him lasting after the draft.

I’m sure we could get a pick for him.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett

All I want for Christmas is Joe Haden, Eric Berry, and Nandamukong Suh in Seahawks blue.

by Wayward Llama on Nov 29, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

It wouldn't be straight up.

Part of a package. The Bears need receivers and picks, and Seattle has both. As far as Adams: Even if he’s only average to good, he’s entering his prime. Conditional on Seattle reworking his salary, of course.

Or: Branch for Alex Brown.

by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

As A Bears Fan

I’d trade Gaines to the Hawks for a 2nd rounder straight up. Don’t see it happening though.

Isn’t Burleson a FA?

by Badmotostinkfinger on Nov 29, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I would keep Burleson

Ban him from punt returns forever and have him go through drills so that he stops fumblins so easily. He’s opened up in Knapp’s system.

ME! BANE!

by SSreporters on Nov 29, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

My ideal trade this offseason would be for Robert Gallery.

Or to trade up to get Ndamakung Suh.

Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.

by Carl Shinyama on Nov 29, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Jared Allen making Orlando Pace

look old.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett

All I want for Christmas is Joe Haden, Eric Berry, and Nandamukong Suh in Seahawks blue.

by Wayward Llama on Nov 29, 2009 2:26 PM PST reply actions  

Good.

I’ve taken a few days off because I won’t be able to take January as slow this year.

(Good to see other people)

by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Vince Young looks quite good.

From the two series I’ve seen today…

by djafrot on Nov 29, 2009 2:28 PM PST reply actions  

Holy shit what a pick by Cedric Griffin.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett

All I want for Christmas is Joe Haden, Eric Berry, and Nandamukong Suh in Seahawks blue.

by Wayward Llama on Nov 29, 2009 2:29 PM PST reply actions  

Do Bears Receivers

Ever try and make a play for the ball?

by Badmotostinkfinger on Nov 29, 2009 2:31 PM PST reply actions  

what recievers?

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett

All I want for Christmas is Joe Haden, Eric Berry, and Nandamukong Suh in Seahawks blue.

by Wayward Llama on Nov 29, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

The Great Joaquin Iglesias

Oops, just another Angelo 3rd rounder who can’t get on the field his rookie year.

by Badmotostinkfinger on Nov 29, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

He makes no sense in that system

Why draft a possession receiver to play in a vertical passing attack?

by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I dont know

But Angelo has drafted 5 guys in the 3rd round the past 3 years and none of them have played anything but special teams their rookie years. One of them is out of the league now.

by Badmotostinkfinger on Nov 29, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Grey Cup Final is on

Channel 179 (CSN Northwest) at 3:30 if anyone wants 3 down football.

ME! BANE!

by SSreporters on Nov 29, 2009 2:33 PM PST reply actions  

Does anyone benefit more from Peterson than Shiancoe?

With his Beastliness in the game, no plays pass against a tight end set.

by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 2:33 PM PST reply actions  

It would be a good explanation

of Shiancoe’s sudden emergence

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett

All I want for Christmas is Joe Haden, Eric Berry, and Nandamukong Suh in Seahawks blue.

by Wayward Llama on Nov 29, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Reminds me of Jerramy Stevens in 2005.

Though at the time I argued his speed helped Shaun.

by djafrot on Nov 29, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Chargers are whipping KC 35-7

Looks like Denver is wild card hunting this year.

ME! BANE!

by SSreporters on Nov 29, 2009 2:49 PM PST reply actions  

Man, I know the Vikings are good

but the Bears just look pathetic.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett

All I want for Christmas is Joe Haden, Eric Berry, and Nandamukong Suh in Seahawks blue.

by Wayward Llama on Nov 29, 2009 2:49 PM PST reply actions  

the defense is just a shell of what it was a few years ago.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett

All I want for Christmas is Joe Haden, Eric Berry, and Nandamukong Suh in Seahawks blue.

by Wayward Llama on Nov 29, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

They haven't added a quality defender since the SB season.

Bad draft after bad draft has caught up with them. This mess is more on Angelo the Lovie.

by Badmotostinkfinger on Nov 29, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Sounds right

Last good year was 2004 right? When Culpepper went 1st team AP?

by DJ C-Raig on Nov 29, 2009 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Really?

I think it has a lot more to do with the fact that the Jags’ offensive line is a joke and they get away with close wins against weak opposition.

ME! BANE!

by SSreporters on Nov 29, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Speaking of which

why does it never come up that Seattle dominated both teams that took an offensive linemen in the top ten? Isn’t drafting an offensive lineman the deus ex machina of winning a Super Bowl? Could it be, that this wasn’t a great tackle draft and Seattle didn’t bleed a pick because of a need?

by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Well, we may need to give Britton and Monroe time like Curry needs time

Or both teams should not have passed on Crabtree.

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Nov 29, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

They should get more time

I am just venting frustration about how people interpret the offensive line. It’s overvalued when the team is good and the first line of blame when the offense crumbles.

by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Interpretation as a function of recollection

A good O line can’t make a QB great. The Vikes are a living testimonial to that truth (Jackson is not even good, but Favre is an MVP candidate). They only allow a good player to realize via production as closely as possible to their potential. A bad line widens the variance of results to potential — making good players appear inconsistent and making mediocre players appear incompetent.

It’s blamed first, because some fans are reluctant to admit the players they root for are mediocre to even bad. Homers are like that.

by Attylathehawk on Nov 30, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Um, because both of those teams sucked?

I’m not sure what you’re getting at. I don’t disagree, but I don’t get it.

by djafrot on Nov 29, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

And they sucked before they selected an OT and still suck after selecting an OT.

Point is that selecting a tackle over the BAP (Curry) wouldn’t have fixed our team’s problems like many have suggested.

by BrianL on Nov 29, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I think this is an overly broad way of explaining their argument

I don’t think anyone here would have said anything would necessarily be “solved” by drafting an offensive lineman. The argument is a little more nuanced than that… they’re basically saying that offensive line was more of a need than linebacker.

All things considered equal, I’d say that having a half-decent tackle would have helped our year a lot more than Curry has so far. Of course, there’s no guarantee that a first-year tackle is going to be half-decent. I was on board with the drafting of Curry at the time, but admittedly in the long term I would easily be as happy with a ten-year starter at LT.

by djafrot on Nov 29, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

This season does not need help

Seattle was an long shot from snap one. Seattle selected the best talent. Linebacker is not a need, but Seattle can adjust. A team selects the best talent because it is investing in the future.

by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

If he is, I'm not seeing it yet.

I certainly could be wrong in the long term.

by djafrot on Nov 29, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

He screws up a lot

We all see that. But he has a frame like a defensive end, the closing speed of defensive back and the ferocity of a linebacker. Give the guy time and a few leads to protect and we’ll get our moments.

by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

It's hard if not impossible to develop physical skills like that.

It’s going to be a ton of fun to watch Curry in a season or two.

by BrianL on Nov 29, 2009 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

My only disappointment lies in Curry's coverage skills

But, I never saw him do special things in cover. I was always told he did special things in cover.

by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I look forward to this.

But shouldn’t this physical ability be showing up right now? I see Hill and Hawthorne making flashier plays right now. All I see out of Curry is bouncing off of Steven Jackson.

by djafrot on Nov 29, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Conflicting results

but Curry is not worse than he was.

by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Curry was a slow learner in college

I never thought he would Tatupu his first season.

by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I was replying to the idea he would flash physical talent

And I haven’t seen much of that yet, personally. I do remember that first game, that was about all.

by djafrot on Nov 29, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Did Monroe play in the Jags game?

If he did he had just come back from injury and Smith didn’t play today. From what I’ve seen Oher has been the best 1st round OT taken and I know Andre Smith played his first game today.

by Badmotostinkfinger on Nov 29, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

You should be.

Getting flagged for 6 PIs in 5 games says it all.

I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.

by Dukeshire on Nov 29, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I think the 49ers will be in the playoffs before the Seahawks.

Figure this is the Cardinals year, and then Warner pops. 2010, the 49ers and Leinart led Cardinals fight it out for top of the crap heap while Seattle and St. Louis break in new arms.

by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 3:05 PM PST reply actions  

Alex Smith looks great in this offense. Very decisive

I wonder how patient Seattle fan base will be. The losing may (will) continue with a new arm. It is perhaps the one reason I wanted Sanchez this year. If you play a 34 year old QB, you are playing to win.

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Nov 29, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Sadly, I agree.

I’m actually in favor of getting rid of certain players to blow up the roster. I’d rather see Walter Jones retire and several contracts restructured so that the Seahawks wouldn’t have to give up talent in order to gain talent that they can build around for the next several years.

Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.

by Carl Shinyama on Nov 29, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

NFC West has a rotational thing going here

Since the realignment:

2002 – 49ers have a good but not great team in a weak division in which the Rams are killed by injuries. Arizona is embarrassing and the Seahawks finish 7-9.

2003 – Dennis Erickson comes and the 49ers can’t win on the road. Seattle is the up and coming team that gets a wild card spot at 10-6. The Rams are healthy and have a great offense. Arizona is embarrassing.

2004 – T.O leaves and the 49ers capitulate. Seattle underachieves and loses some heartbreakers. St. Louis is on the decline but do enough to sneak into the playoffs thanks to a weak NFC. Arizona is embarrassing.

2005 – Seattle’s patience breaks through and they make it to the Super Bowl. San Francisco is in rebuilding mode. St. Louis slowly loses the players that made them great for several years and they miss the playoffs. Arizona is terrible.

2006 – Seattle makes the playoffs based on other teams sucking. SF overachieves. The Rams are embarrassing and the Cardinals are below-average.

2007 – Seattle shows they have enough in them for one more division title. The Niners are embarrassing. Arizona is improving. St. Louis is rebuilding.

2008 – Seattle is injured badly and collapses. Arizona is slightly above-average when they could be elite. St. Louis is rebuilding. SF is slightly improving.

2009 – Seattle’s run of dominance is over. Arizona is above-average. St. Louis is still rebuilding. SF is slightly improving to the point of darkhorse division contention.

ME! BANE!

by SSreporters on Nov 29, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Niners still have a shot this year

Albeit a small one. If they win next week it could be a Monday Night game for the division lead though.

by Brendan Scolari on Nov 29, 2009 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

The employees of Lowes really seem to share in J Johnson's victories.

I wonder how many of them actually know what NASCAR stands for? lol

I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.

by Dukeshire on Nov 29, 2009 3:12 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah, the "employees" on the commercial

are probably not representative of the Lowe’s working base.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett

All I want for Christmas is Joe Haden, Eric Berry, and Nandamukong Suh in Seahawks blue.

by Wayward Llama on Nov 30, 2009 4:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Wow, Chris Johnson is a freak.

His speed to run past the secondary’s angles was crazy.

I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.

by Dukeshire on Nov 29, 2009 3:15 PM PST reply actions  

We don't know that

and I do not think we will know until after the season.

by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

They've gotten away from that, for sure.

But that was the route de jour for most of the season.

I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.

by Dukeshire on Nov 29, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I think he's hurt. He's definitely old. And he wasn't strong to begin with.

But not a lot of quarterbacks can throw a 20 yard out with a lot of zip. Especially when your receivers aren’t getting the seperation they need.

by djafrot on Nov 29, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

It doesn't make sense

Considering how incredibly powerful AP’s hands are

by aerozeppelin on Nov 29, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Flags, flags, flags!

Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.

by Carl Shinyama on Nov 29, 2009 3:25 PM PST reply actions  

Things could always be worse.

The Bears don’t have a 1st or 2nd in the upcoming draft.

I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.

by Dukeshire on Nov 29, 2009 3:28 PM PST reply actions  

it's a nice thought, but only works about 25% of the time.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett

All I want for Christmas is Joe Haden, Eric Berry, and Nandamukong Suh in Seahawks blue.

by Wayward Llama on Nov 30, 2009 4:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Not yet

When Minnesota does score here though we’ll get switched.

ME! BANE!

by SSreporters on Nov 29, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Because Favre is out there, just having fun.

And apparently we need to witness it.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett

All I want for Christmas is Joe Haden, Eric Berry, and Nandamukong Suh in Seahawks blue.

by Wayward Llama on Nov 30, 2009 4:21 AM PST up reply actions  

This annoyed me yesterday as well

I really wanted to see the end of that awesome Cards/Titans game and instead got to see the Vikings make the game a 20 something point lead. And on the other channel I was stuck watching SD run it up on KC.

[DELETED ZOMG NO POLITICS]

by bluemax on Nov 30, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I was thinking about which situation I'd rather be in.

Would I rather have a team with what could be good scheme but unable to execute that because the most important player on the field is incapable? Or would I rather have a team that runs a horrid scheme, should have the most important player on the field in position, but needs a lot of around that?

I think the Hawks have a less arduous road back, especially given the lack of picks for the Bears.

by abender20 on Nov 29, 2009 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I like Seattle's situation

as long as the team is smart enough to target a quarterback.

by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Just not too worried about that

I think Seattle avoids the huge bust and mid-range busts are not as debilitating as they are made out to be.

by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

If Holmy comes back.

We may see a return of Zorn and the emergence of Jason Campbell in blue.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett

All I want for Christmas is Joe Haden, Eric Berry, and Nandamukong Suh in Seahawks blue.

by Wayward Llama on Nov 30, 2009 4:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Wait

Is it Taylor Made like the gold brand or Tailor Made like the clothier?

by DJ C-Raig on Nov 29, 2009 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I wasn't trying to be a dick.

You just blew my mind and I realized I might have had it wrong this whole time.

by DJ C-Raig on Nov 29, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I've discussed this with my sister, who is now a resident, over Thanksgiving.

Early med school forces a hurried and singularly focused packing of the brain. As a result, you end up getting more stupid at everything else like spelling and linguistic skills. I spent nearly 5 minutes yesterday trying to come up with the word ‘insecure’ as a descriptor in a conversation and couldn’t locate it.

by abender20 on Nov 29, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I firmly believe this to be true.

Al my med school friendos have became more and more “world stupid” as their terms grow.

by DJ C-Raig on Nov 29, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Kind of funny

That Chicago has a very realistic shot at having a worse record than us thus Denver will get a higher 1st round pick than both of our 1st round picks.

ME! BANE!

by SSreporters on Nov 29, 2009 3:56 PM PST reply actions  

Seneca would excel in the CFL

Mobile QBs flourish in that league.

ME! BANE!

by SSreporters on Nov 29, 2009 4:03 PM PST reply actions  

Check it out...your suspicions may be rewarded.

I feel like I just typed a line from a Choose Your Own Adventure book.

by DJ C-Raig on Nov 29, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I saw Ong Bak 2 for my fix

might have been better with Ninja Assassin.

by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I need to go see that.

Is it any different from other Tony Jaa movies?

by abender20 on Nov 29, 2009 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Bad

trade awesome stunts for Conan and period costumes.

by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Disappointing to say the least

I learned after I watched it that Jaa fired his regular director and made it a personal project.

by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I saw Ninja Assassin.

Not very good overall, but lots of ninjas and blood. Fun times.

by djafrot on Nov 29, 2009 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, it wasn't campy enough.

Though the last action sequences were awesome. Ninjageddon.

by djafrot on Nov 29, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Jason Statham is sex

Transporter movies would be meh without him

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett

All I want for Christmas is Joe Haden, Eric Berry, and Nandamukong Suh in Seahawks blue.

by Wayward Llama on Nov 30, 2009 4:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Cardinals better spy two

Can’t be beat by a Vince Young scramble.

by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 4:08 PM PST reply actions  

Okay

The rule is that the network can’t switch to another game that is that far ahead of the current game.

The Cards game is ending before the Vikings game so that would involve switching to one game and then going back to the Vikings game. FOX can’t do that.

Blame the NFL.

ME! BANE!

by SSreporters on Nov 29, 2009 4:10 PM PST reply actions  

HOLLY SHIT

BRITT!

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Nov 29, 2009 4:11 PM PST reply actions  

Wow VY

sexy.

Titans win it

I think I just pooped your pants...

by FizzleDrip on Nov 29, 2009 4:11 PM PST reply actions  

Whooooooa!

Guess the Titans did want to win

Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.

by Carl Shinyama on Nov 29, 2009 4:11 PM PST reply actions  

Roughriders up 10-0 on the Alouettes

Bit of a surprise. Fantuz with the TD.

ME! BANE!

by SSreporters on Nov 29, 2009 4:11 PM PST reply actions  

So

We get to hear a whole lot about VY turning the corner

I think I just pooped your pants...

by FizzleDrip on Nov 29, 2009 4:12 PM PST reply actions  

Hey, I've watched him over the past few weeks.

I’d be on that bandwagon. He’s looked very good. His passing has been great.

by Misfit74 on Nov 29, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Outside of Bradford

I wonder if this draft produces a first round quarterback.

by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 4:20 PM PST reply actions  

McCoy could be late 1st round

But if he stumbles I see 2nd round.

ME! BANE!

by SSreporters on Nov 29, 2009 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

As of right now

I like McCoy the most of the QB options for Seattle. But he does need some pro quality competition, that’s for sure.

by DJ C-Raig on Nov 29, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Clausen and Locker I think might be Top 10

But I dont think any of them are worth the pricetag, just wait a year and hopefully they’ll have a rookie cap and get one then. Unless they drop deeper in the first round this year.

by Badmotostinkfinger on Nov 29, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

But if people are telling him he’s Top 10 and with a chance of a lockout and rookie cap, he might be mad not to. But if he gets thrown in the fire right away he’ll end up a bust.

by Badmotostinkfinger on Nov 29, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree.

But those who are thinking of dead presidents might be inclined to disagree.

Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.

by Carl Shinyama on Nov 29, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Teams would be mad to be draft him high

But someone will and so I could hardly blame him from passing up one more year of terrible OL play to take millions of dollars right now.

by Gihyou on Nov 29, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

But he's jeopardizing his career

and there’s no guarantee a team does select him in the top ten.

by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

That's why someone more rational than him should talk him into

leading the Huskies to glory. Hell, the Rose Bowl is up for grabs as soon as next season.

by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh

I don’t think Washington contends (unless Locker transforms), but that would be the line.

by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh I see

Yeah, Sark would give him the old “1 more year in the system and we will blah blah blah!”

by DJ C-Raig on Nov 29, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know, if he comes back the media will get tired of towing his line as UW continues to lose

“He’s not sharp today” will turn into “He’s not very accurate”. Less tape of his arm and some youth to sell his upside might be the best thing for Locker.

by Nate Dogg on Nov 29, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Well perhaps that would require someone who is irrational to argue that

Of course he should stay, he’ll have a better chance if he gets another year to work on his passing against college players instead of pros. But it’s risky to stay, too, he might drop his stock (injury, poor play, better QB’s in the draft class, etc).

by Gihyou on Nov 29, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Clausen

Didn’t think about him. He would be first overall if not for the Browns.

by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I could see him in St. Louis, especially with Bulger hurt again.

They already have a ton invested in the O-line and have a running back. Maybe Spags will make them so D-line, they need a tackle.

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by MFAN on Nov 29, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I think they are after a quarterback

The Kyle Boller signing does bewilder though. Spags might want a better arm than Clausen’s.

by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I could see them being very intrigued if a dominant DT is there at their pick.

I think Clausen is the only QB worthy of taking at no. 2 (as of right now).

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by MFAN on Nov 29, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Or an end

Spags love his ends. Dunlap or Morgan maybe.

by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I see spags drooling already with Dunlap and Long paired up.

Just let Clausen fall past the top 5 and Seattle can trade up.

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by MFAN on Nov 29, 2009 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Is Long even playing?

I thought Clayton said he was benched and I didn’t hear his name today, or really all season for that matter.

by Badmotostinkfinger on Nov 29, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

McCoy And Suh are both Top 10 DT prospects

If the Browns have the 1st pick i dont see them taking a DT unless they switch to a 4-3 with a new coach or trade Rogers.

by Badmotostinkfinger on Nov 29, 2009 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I imagine the Browns would love to trade out of the 1st pick.

They probably need a QB, but they’re already paying Anderson and Quinn a ton of money.

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by MFAN on Nov 29, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Poor Matt.

I don’t think they could even afford Matt, unless he gets cut from Seattle.

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by MFAN on Nov 29, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Seattle would trade him for something reasonable

like a third round pick, and then take on some part of his salary.

by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Dump Anderson

Quinn might have some hope, Anderson is just brutal.

Problem is, no one wants the first pick.

by Badmotostinkfinger on Nov 29, 2009 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Clausen?

Locker? Both could come out…

by Brendan Scolari on Nov 29, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions  

"It was so fucking boring

and Troy has halitosis like a rotting beaver."

by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Very good.

Wielding his and his father’s success as a weapon for shaming.

by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 4:33 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Michael Oher's mom sounds annoying.

Telling all these QB’s what to do.

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by MFAN on Nov 29, 2009 4:32 PM PST reply actions  

He said Oher disputed that he was a "babe in the woods" on the football field

and that Oher was not as blank and impressionable as the film portrays.

by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, that's typical Hollywood.

Transferring all agency to the white characters. God knows black people can’t do anything without a heroic white person to help them out.

by djafrot on Nov 29, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure Oher is not a fan of the movie

He’s not giving it any support. Not that I blame him, based upon previews that show his story being turned into a Sandra Bullock Academy Award campaign.

by Gihyou on Nov 29, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Didn't the movie make 35 mill last week?

Yeah, the movie is probably a steaming pile of pretentious crap, but i’ve gotta think Oher is getting a cut of that. You can say whatever you want about me if i get a nice chunk of change.

by Badmotostinkfinger on Nov 29, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Is everyone prepared for the Tebow Era?

If Dixon slices up eyeballs tonight, don’t think Knapp won’t notice. With the green dot and the Wildcat, this moving pocket, spread option style attack could be all over the NFL.

by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 5:04 PM PST reply actions  

Tebow will win us the Super Bowl

Then donate it to the needy in Zambia.

ME! BANE!

by SSreporters on Nov 29, 2009 5:06 PM PST up reply actions  

It scares the crap out me, but it makes sense

I would rather Seattle draft Dan LeFevour than Tebow.

by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd be pretty shocked if Ruskell doesn't have a man-crush on Tebow.

Especially when you throw his heart, determination, etc. in there.

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by MFAN on Nov 29, 2009 5:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I do too.

Especially when Clausen, McCoy and Bradford seem like good character players.

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by MFAN on Nov 29, 2009 5:12 PM PST up reply actions  

You really think so?

Even with the success of the Wildcat it’s still just a novelty for almost every team. I mean, I’d love to have some more exotic offenses, but I don’t see one game changing all that much.

by Brendan Scolari on Nov 29, 2009 5:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Seems like Rodgers-Cromartie

tries to talk shit every time he gets straight beat.

by DJ C-Raig on Nov 29, 2009 5:10 PM PST reply actions  

They need to clean that coaching staff

The fact that:

A.) They keep playing Delhomme when even his just as bad backups can’t do any worse.

B.) They use Delhomme instead of running it more consistently.

Is enough to realize they’re incapable of leading a talented team.

ME! BANE!

by SSreporters on Nov 29, 2009 5:17 PM PST up reply actions  

He's money

Single-handedly fighting to get the Niners a top 10 pick in the draft.

by Brendan Scolari on Nov 29, 2009 5:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah they do

They will trade Shaun Hill and Nate Davis in the offseason and Alex Smith will have a career-ending injury next week.

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by SSreporters on Nov 29, 2009 5:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe not

Smith’s looked good lately. I’m not even joking, honestly. For the most part the problems have been with the line.

by Brendan Scolari on Nov 29, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Um, okay

Yes I realize he’s been terrible in the past. But he’s 25, it’s not like he can’t be any good. If you watched the games you might feel differently. I doubt the Niners take a QB in the first round with the way thigns are going right now.

by Brendan Scolari on Nov 29, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions  

He's been average the last few weeks

He does enough to win and nothing more.

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by SSreporters on Nov 29, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions  

John seemed excited about a certain average QB in D.C.

Who’s also what, 3 or 4 years older than Smith? With a better line?

If he was a 25 year old Seahawk, would he still have no possibility of improving?

by Brendan Scolari on Nov 29, 2009 5:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Smith has looked better than Campbell for 2 games.

Campbell has looked better than Smith for 3 years.

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by MFAN on Nov 29, 2009 5:35 PM PST up reply actions  

2 games?

Smith has played 7 games I think. Campbell is also much older than Smith, like I said, and has played on much better teams.

by Brendan Scolari on Nov 29, 2009 5:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe I'm wrong about this but Smith doesn't have the tools that Campbell does

And Smith has not been at all successful where Campbell has been about average.

by Nate Dogg on Nov 29, 2009 5:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Which tools?

I think Campbell’s arm is a bit better (although Smith’s is fine), but I’m not sure what else he’s got on Smith.

by Brendan Scolari on Nov 29, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Arm strength, accuracy, mobility, pocket presense, hand size, etc.

I’m not saying Campbell is great at any of those or better than Smith at all of them, just that on average he has better tools.

by Nate Dogg on Nov 29, 2009 5:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Eh

Other than hand size, I don’t really agree.

by Brendan Scolari on Nov 29, 2009 7:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Or maybe not

But either way the Niners are probably better off than the Seahawks are at QB right now.

by Brendan Scolari on Nov 29, 2009 5:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Coin flip?

If you’re referring to draft position there is no coin flip unless opponents record are the same.

by Brendan Scolari on Nov 29, 2009 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

No dude

Opponents records, not the actual team’s records. Carolina has a higher opponents winning percentage than Seattle, so Seattle would pick first.

by Brendan Scolari on Nov 29, 2009 5:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Huh....And then divisional and conference records

Is it just me or do they always say coin flip when two teams have the same record?

by Nate Dogg on Nov 29, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Only when the opp. win percentage is the same

It does seem like there would hardly ever be coin flips then though, maybe it’s a new rule.

by Brendan Scolari on Nov 29, 2009 5:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Titans beat Colts

as Young and Johnson combine for 300 yards rushing.

by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 5:17 PM PST reply actions  

Defense does not equal a low scoring game.

Two good defenses often cause scoring through sudden field position changes and touchdowns.

by John Morgan on Nov 29, 2009 5:18 PM PST reply actions  

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.............

……………………………………………………………………………………………….. bo

ring

by djafrot on Nov 29, 2009 5:36 PM PST reply actions  

I know.

I’ve been sitting here all day. Just spouting. Even the Grey Cup has been terrible.

The biggest play of the day? The Britt catch? Missed THAT one.

by djafrot on Nov 29, 2009 5:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Grey Cup hasn't been that bad

Defensive struggles are fun at times.

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by SSreporters on Nov 29, 2009 5:38 PM PST up reply actions  

One sided.

And I know Saskatchewan’s from the West, but I just can’t bring myself to cheer for them.

by djafrot on Nov 29, 2009 5:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Got a question for you guys.

Pick one QB, any QB, that you could have start for the Seahawks next year and for the future.

by djafrot on Nov 29, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Huh.

I just like the idea of a Brandon Jacobs type with better lateral movement that won’t cost us a 1st round pick.

abender20 hates freedom.

by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 29, 2009 6:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly.

Pair him with Force? Awesome.

by DJ C-Raig on Nov 29, 2009 6:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Toby Gerhart

Stanford Running back that has 26 rushing TD’s this year.

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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 29, 2009 6:21 PM PST up reply actions  

On 4th and 4

Insane call but Notre Dame sucks so it can work

by Gihyou on Nov 29, 2009 6:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Canadian spelling?

“Color”

And yes he isn’t John Morgan approved.

abender20 hates freedom.

by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 29, 2009 6:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes.

I am Canadian. Sorry, I’ll translate:

(skin color). Huh.

by djafrot on Nov 29, 2009 6:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm just giving you a hard time :)

I always noticed this when I went to Canada.

abender20 hates freedom.

by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 29, 2009 6:41 PM PST up reply actions  

WTF? Am I missing something here?

Is there some racist idea that only black guys can be successful running backs in the NFL?

Even if this is only a joke, it’s not a very funny one.

by Mr Fish on Nov 29, 2009 6:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry, it's an in joke.

You’d have to be around. Goes back at least a year or so on this board. It’s ironic/sarcastic.

Trust me, I’m all in favour of white running backs.

by djafrot on Nov 29, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions  

This has been a joke in the NFL for 10+ years.

The John Morgan thing is a FG meme.

abender20 hates freedom.

by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 29, 2009 6:53 PM PST up reply actions  

That's a common mistake.

You can tell them apart because the dude from Chuck is occasionally entertaining.

by BrianL on Nov 29, 2009 6:44 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I disagree.

But only because I don’t find either entertaining.

abender20 hates freedom.

by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 29, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Well...yeah that would work.

“I’ll come at you fast like a Northern Bullet.”

But it was more along the lines of “”http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X6PHdjwMhI" >Boosh!"

by DJ C-Raig on Nov 29, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions  

WTF?

The “command centre” is requesting we review the play.

by djafrot on Nov 29, 2009 6:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Sick ending

Montreal misses the FG that would’ve won it but the Riders get called for too many men on the field.

Now they do win it on the 2nd try.

ME! BANE!

by SSreporters on Nov 29, 2009 6:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Or Cornerback for that matter.

Besides Jason Sehorn.

abender20 hates freedom.

by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 29, 2009 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

John Riggins

it hasn’t been 25 years, has it?

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Nov 29, 2009 6:59 PM PST up reply actions  

1985

So 24 years.

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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 29, 2009 7:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Lots of steering happens in college

white guys with RB skills often steered to other positions with greater longevity at the DI level (QB, LB, WR, S). Tons of white RBs in high school and lower levels of college play.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Nov 29, 2009 7:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I know there's some sociology of sport research on this.

I’ll try to find it.

I’m trying to remember, because the interesting thing about football is that, unlike the other pro sports, amateur (high school age) football is regulated by schools.

There’s not a great reason to have such a stark racial difference at a single position.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Nov 29, 2009 7:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Alstott was used as a RB

He certainly was not a classic Tom Rathman kind of fullback. He was always more of a RB who operated primarily from a 1 back set. He never really blocked for Warrick Dunn.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Nov 29, 2009 7:06 PM PST up reply actions  

As he did do some blocking.

But was definitely a runner.

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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 29, 2009 7:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Nope.

I followed Alstott from the time he played as a soph at Purdue.

They lined them up together but Alstott was never a good blocker. He was always a better runner. That started at Purdue when he didn’t block (well) for the big-time RB recruit they got out of Chicago—a kid named Corey Rogers. Alstott proved to be the better runner but not much of a blocker.

That followed him to Tampa. The Bucs often lined Alstott and Dunn up together but rarely ran plays where Dunn followed Alstott into the hole. He was never that kind of fullback.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Nov 29, 2009 7:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmm.
The Bucs often lined Alstott and Dunn up together

Maybe this is what I was thinking of.

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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 29, 2009 7:27 PM PST up reply actions  

This was a sore point for a LONG time for me

Alstott got the cheap ticket to the Pro Bowl for many years as a “fullback” when really Tampa ran a lot of split back stuff with he and Dunn.

Took at least a couple away from Mack.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Nov 29, 2009 7:29 PM PST up reply actions  

People got all crazy over Jacob Hester

who only had straight line speed.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Nov 29, 2009 7:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Brian Lenoard.

Peyton Hills has his moment in the sun.

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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 29, 2009 7:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Good looking pass by Dixon that Wallace

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Nov 29, 2009 7:14 PM PST reply actions  

Lucky timing by the DB

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Nov 29, 2009 7:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Oher (and Heep) got worked on that play by Woodley

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Nov 29, 2009 7:23 PM PST reply actions  

I'm impressed Michaels pronounced Sepulveda correctly

No one goes to LA and pronounces the street name right

by DetectiveM on Nov 29, 2009 7:30 PM PST reply actions  

Been thinking about white RBs

Really, the question is why aren’t white guys between 5’8" and 6’2" playing RB in the NFL?

Non-football reasons

  • starting at the high school level, white athletes are spread across a wide array of scholarship and non-scholarship sports; whereas black athletes are highly (almost exclusively) concentrated in football and basketball

Football reasons

  • FCS schools and mid-majors have plenty of white running backs; so the shortage is really at top 50 FBS programs — the ones we see on TV
  • At those programs players are looking for the surest, quickest route to the league — RB is super-competitive, highly susceptible to injury, with a very short career path; many who can play another position will
  • Old-fashioned steering based on stereotype (coaches more likely to keep a stiff-hipped black athlete at RB and switch a comparable white athlete to LB).

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Nov 29, 2009 8:02 PM PST reply actions  

Or the most important reason: genetics.

Various populations have different mixes of fast-twitch and slow-twitch muscles. Playing sports at the highest level requires the most exceptional levels of athletic ability, and white people tend to have more slow-twitch in the mix. While it’s not impossible that a white person could play running back at the NFL level, the odds are just stacked.

by abender20 on Nov 29, 2009 8:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't buy the relevance of the fast-twitch/slow-twitch argument

I’m not saying there is no such thing as fast- or slow-twitch, but their specific relevance to playing running back is pretty questionable; for the same reason that the fastest 40 times don’t always make the best backs.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Nov 29, 2009 8:10 PM PST up reply actions  

How is it questionable?

Fast twitch moves your muscles quicker, RBs are better when they are quicker and can hit the hole…boom.

by DJ C-Raig on Nov 29, 2009 8:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Because it comes pretty close to begging the question

Good running back have are fast-twitch.

Why?

Because fast twitch makes for good runners.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Nov 29, 2009 8:17 PM PST up reply actions  

should say "Good running backs have fast-twitch"

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Nov 29, 2009 8:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Vision and strength can get you through high school and low level colleges.

Eventually, you need someone with vision, strength, AND top notch quickness/speed.

by abender20 on Nov 29, 2009 8:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Watch the movie Hoop Dreams.

Only the best of the best survive at each level of cut.

by abender20 on Nov 29, 2009 8:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I always think of John's comments about

Usain Bolt. The physical difference between Bolt and the second place finisher are probably unbelievably minor while the results are drastic.

by Nate Dogg on Nov 29, 2009 8:17 PM PST up reply actions  

The best measures we have of "fast twitch" for football players are...

40 times
shuttle times
vertical leap
-
the guys with the best measurables aren’t necessarily the best backs.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Nov 29, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

It's not clear that Emmitt Smith ever did

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Nov 29, 2009 8:18 PM PST up reply actions  

You're missing the point.

It’s not that measurables are the most important thing. It’s that a lot of the other stuff is learnable and therefore isn’t a limiting factor. Any kid can the best angles in a zone blocking scheme. Few possess the ability to read it pre-snap, have the vision to decide where to go, AND ACTUALLY DO IT.

by abender20 on Nov 29, 2009 8:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think I'm missing it. I'm not sure I agree

As I understand it you’re saying that those guys must be so-called “fast twitch” guys. I’m disagreeing with that notion.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Nov 29, 2009 8:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Also, that wouldn't explain why the white guys who can run such a time play safety or centerfield

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Nov 29, 2009 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you are mixed up in what Fast Twitch is.

It does not necessarily make you fast or jump farther. It means that your muscles “twitch” or make a single motion faster. So it is not as though a black RB would run faster than a white Safety, but they could move more quickly, not necessarily faster. This is most readily seen in lateral motion.

by DJ C-Raig on Nov 29, 2009 8:22 PM PST up reply actions  

What "fast-twitch" means often changes depending on who uses the term

but even using your notion of lateral quicks, we should be able to see that—or at least a reasonable approximation of it—a priori by measuring lateral movement, like in the 3-cone shuttle.

If that is so, then the best backs on those measures should be the best in the NFL, right?

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Nov 29, 2009 8:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Fast-twitch is a black and white biological definition.

Wiki.I don’t have time to continue debating this, but you’ve ignored the other factors. You need the teachable aspects as well, but the very fact that they are teachable or learnable means that they won’t be limited to biological groupings. Eventually, you’re only going to see the best athletes succeeding at the highest level. I’m not claiming, however, that quickness is the only measure that matters. Don’t Ninjasocks.

by abender20 on Nov 29, 2009 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

No one is denying the existence of fast- or slow-twitch fibers

I said that explicitly. You claimed—explicitly—that it was the most important most important factor in determining why whites do not play RB.

I don’t think I agree with that claim. The existence of a preponderance of muscle fibers in a particular group in the population is not ipso facto proof of anything. Not when talking about a position, RB, so closely related in physical demands to other positions on the field.

I can’t see any reason why fast-twitch muscle fiber isn’t at least as important to playing LB as running back. Yet there is no shortage of white LBs.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Nov 29, 2009 8:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Not sure why "most important" appeared 3 times.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Nov 29, 2009 8:39 PM PST up reply actions  

They need less explosion/power than a RB?

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Nov 29, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I see where speed is less important

but power is why lots of college LBs are bulked up when they come to the pros.

Many colleges take HS safeties, precisely because of their speed and bulk them up to add power then turn them to LBs.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Nov 29, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly.

it isn’t metaphysical, it is a type of muscle fiber which supplies more bursts of speed and power than the other. Disections have shown that people of African descent have more if it than people of European descent. Pretty concrete.

by DJ C-Raig on Nov 29, 2009 8:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Who is Ninjasocks?

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Nov 29, 2009 8:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Banned user (as of 3 weeks ago)

He always played blog lawyer here and nitpicked things for no reason. Just picked fights for the sake of it.

ME! BANE!

by SSreporters on Nov 29, 2009 8:42 PM PST up reply actions  

My hatred for the Stealers

is so irrational. But I don’t mind.

by DJ C-Raig on Nov 29, 2009 8:36 PM PST reply actions  

Right now, Broncos are higher on my hate list

For obvious reasons. If Stealers get the Wildcard and the Broncos don’t, I wouldn’t mind.

by aerozeppelin on Nov 29, 2009 8:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Poor decision under pressure

He was playing well but that was a bad decision.

ME! BANE!

by SSreporters on Nov 29, 2009 8:43 PM PST reply actions  

That was fun.

Good game, Stealers lose…time to take a shower and head to the lab. Evenin’ home-slices.

by DJ C-Raig on Nov 29, 2009 8:49 PM PST reply actions  

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Staff Writers/Editors

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