Seattle's Off-Season Options in 2010
After the beat down in the Lone Star state, Seattle has lost the remainder of it's already small playoff hopes. We look destined to be a top 10 drafter and have needs at an un-godly amount of positions. With this in mind, I offer up some of the potential options the Hawks will have this off-season. Let me know what you think.
#1. The Jason Peters Special: Seattle has two first round picks this year. The JPS would look like what they Iggles did last year, trading away the 28th pick in the draft to the Bills for Jason Peters. Free agent OT's this coming year and their ages are: Marcus Mcneill (25), Winston Justice (24), Daryn Coolidge (27) and Jared Gaither (24). Seattle sends one of these teams their second first rounder and potentially a later pick/Branch/Kerney/Other in exchange for an established/peaking OT to protect Matt. They take their 1st first round pick and take best QB/S/DT available. If QB is not taken first (and I suspect it won't) Seattle takes McCoy/Mallet/Pike in the second.
#2. Climbing Mt. Suh: Seattle packages it's top first rounder with other first rounder/Cole/Grant/Jennings/Combination of several for a higher first pick and takes Ndamakong Suh. Suh looks to be an immediate boost to our D-Line. In a perfect world he jumps in Week 1, eating up double teams like an afternoon snack and punishing opposing Qb's if they double clutch or fail to assign two blockers for him. If Seattle history repeats itself yeat again, he is injury ridden, lazy and never matures. It may cost a lot to get him, but if he can avoid whatever causes so many injuries in the Seattle water, he could be the push the Seafence needs to get over the edge of good into the Realm of Awesome. Again, seattle uses its next pick on best QB/OL/S available.
#3. The Prayer for Matt Ryan 2.0: The Seahawks look to trade up to the top 6 or so pick and look to snag Jimmy Clausen or Sam Bradford. This involves a lot of risk, for several reasons. Firstly, this is going to cost a lot of money, and likely that money will sit on the bench for two years while Seattle fans endure more Matt fumbles/Seneca phantom pressure. There is the risk of a Ryan Leaf or Brady Quinn (provided that he returns to his former terrible self). However, either one of these Qb's could be the next Matt Ryan/Peyton Manning, being ready to come in right away (or at least compete for the #1 job). This plan can be enacted as part of the Jason Peters Special, though costs could be very high in that scenario.
#4. Perpetuating our Mediocrity: In this scenario, the Seahawks pick up Jason Campbell in the offseason, through the unloading of Seneca/Branch/Burly/Hawthorne. Campbell competes for the starting job, earning it when Hass breaks (insert bone here). The Seahawks sell out on their defense/running game on the first day, picking up Spiller/Mays/Berry/Cody/OL. They don't invest in a QB on the first day, banking on the depth at QB in this draft forcing good players into day 2. Seattle follows the Ruskell formula of picking up offensive talent in late rounds, picking up a 3-5 round QB and having him battle out the preseason with Teel. The Hawks flounder for several more seasons until we finally find a late round gem who brings us back to relevance.
These are some of the more likely moves that I see Seattle making. Thoughts? Suggestions?
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On the Campbell situation
Two things need to be clarified. I see this as the worst of the options and hope we avoid it like the plague. Campbell would only serve to briefly improve our offense without any real hope of returning us to contention. Also, I got a little trade happy when I wrote that part and didn’t realize that we would not have to give anyone up necessarily to get him. That is why I put Hawthorne on there, but realizing my mistake I would like to state that Hawthorne is a tremendous value to this team and keeping him would greatly improve our future.
by Fightfightfight on Dec 13, 2009 9:55 PM PST reply actions
If we draft a top ten qb this year
There is no way he’s riding the bench. Hasselbeck is greedily munching away at about 10 million in cap space, and a rookie QB drafted that high would be making a bundle as well.
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Yep
Unless said rookie flounders in the pre-season, I find it hard to believe that Hasselbeck starts (or even that Hasselbeck is a hawk … we might be forced to cut him if he refuses to re-structure the remaining year on his contract).
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There may not even be any need for it.
If Walter Jones retires, and a number of certain players are either cut or have their contracts restructured, that adds up to a lot of extra salary space (I wanted to say “cap space,” but there is no salary cap next year), and the Seahawks may just very well have the means to do so.
Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.
by Carl Shinyama on Dec 14, 2009 8:03 PM PST up reply actions
Assuming Allen will be willing to spend it, of course!
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by Nick Andron on Dec 15, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
Of course he would.
Particularly since the Seahawks actually generate more in revenues than they pay in player salaries.
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by Carl Shinyama on Dec 15, 2009 5:58 PM PST up reply actions
Depressing
I’m not sure if it’s the pain in my gut still throbbing from yesterdays beat down, or the 4 options you presented, or simply the wording of those 4 options, but I’m left feeling less than optimistic concerning any of them. They all leave me feeling depressed. I think part of the underlying consternation is the realization that drafting a couple good rookies or trading away a player here for a player there won’t probably make a hill of beans of a difference if the coaching staff is unchanged. I believe Mora will survive for another season, even with the new GM, but somebody is going to lose their job and my guess is it’s Knapp. The D has played well enough for Bradley to have another year as well. With a new GM and OC, I think that while we will still be geared toward running the ball due to Mora’s preference/experience, it may be a more power running style. That would take a makeover of the O-line. We may simply see a draft that looks like OT, OG, RB in that order with guys like Trent Williams, Iupati and Dwyer. Fixing the O-line also allows Carlson to spend more time running routes and less time in-line blocking, something he has yet to master (or sucks at in my humble opinion). I guess this is looking like your option 4 without Campbell. Another mid-round QB prospect to compete and develop with Teel. Under this scenario, JJ, Sims, Spencer and Branch are gone, replaced by Dwyer, Iupati, Unger (who is replaced by Willis who is replaced by Williams) and Butler. The D is left largely intact.
Quarterback
Are there any other quarterbacks currently in the NFL who we might acquire besides Campbell? I know that he will be a free agent, but what about a trade for a backup who still could develop to a starter?
I’m thinking specifically about:
Tyler Thigpen
Sage Rosenfels
Derek Anderson
Jon Kitna
about in that order. I left off players like Tavaris Jackson who look like they have a long term home as the QB of the future.
Personally I’d be much happier with giving Thigpen or Rosenfels a shot than I would with Campbell.
I’m surprised these names aren’t discussed more as QB’s who could be solid for a team that wants to fashion its future around a dominate defense and a ball control offense. But I don’t have a good grasp of what we would have to offer in a trade to get these QB’s, so maybe it’s not worth it.
I'd stay away from Anderson.
Lucked into one good year in the NFL, but leading up to that point there wasn’t much to be hopeful about. Lousy completion rates in college etc.
No to all of the above.
Thigpen wasn’t awful for KC last year, but they were convinced he wasn’t the future. They got Cassel and traded Thigpen away for a 5th-round draft pick. Rosenfels wasn’t trusted enough by the Vikings to start over the medocrity of Tavaris Jackson, which isn’t a very heartening sign. Derek Anderson hasn’t been able to hold onto the starting job in Cleveland. Yikes. John Kitna is 37 years old; why the hell would we ditch aging Matt to pick up an even older QB?
Agree.
I’d rather risk a high-priced boom/bust with a top-tier QB drafting this coming draft.
It’s our turn to draft and win with the next Peyton Manning / Tom Brady, etc. None of the above listed QBs are going to be great QBs.
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by Nick Andron on Dec 14, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
the problem
that I see with that is the theory that this team’s future is a defensive powerhouse. (and I don’t think Brady was a top pick).
Manning was part of a team that built itself around a powerhouse offense. I’m not adverse to it. But if this team is going to build itself around an overwhelming defense, then shouldn’t we be looking for the next Trent Dilfer, as opposed to investing huge dollars in an underutilized QB because the big bucks are invested in the other side of the ball instead of around him?
by Snuffleupagus on Dec 14, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
Your assumption may not hold true
in regards to the “defensive powerhouse”. Ruskell is gone, and with him could be the hardcore defensive mindset.
A new GM could very well come in and clean out our defense. Trufant, Tatupu, Hill, Kerney and Cole are all targets for trade or even being straight up cut due to their relatively low product vs. high salaries.
That could clear up to make big moves toward a high-powered offensive.
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yeah
but I’m not sure you can say great thing about Jason Campbell. Anderson and Thigpen didn’t play for the best teams. Look at the kind of season Cassel is having this year and maybe Thigpen isn’t that bad and the Chiefs assessment of his talent not that great.
Rosenfels had some good games and has a decent record as a starter.
My point isn’t that these guys are great, my point is that I think they have a decent shot of being better than Jason Campbell. Or that it’s hard for me to believe there aren’t other guys around the league with a shot at being better than Campbell, who looks indecisive and is generally painful to watch.
I shouldn’t have put Kitna on that list. I see someone like Kitna having value only if we draft a round one QB and need to drop Beck to make room inside the cap. Seems like a backup like Kitna would be nice pickup as a veteran/teacher type of player. I’m not sure Seneca fills that role.
by Snuffleupagus on Dec 14, 2009 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
Campbell gets a lot of flak
He sure isn’t sexy. That’s good. The less sexy he is, the cheaper he’ll be.
Meanwhile, his stats since Sherm Lewis took over playcalling: 1749 yards, 249 ypg, 7.4 YPA, 11 TDs, 6 INTs. Against Ds like Phillies (twice), Caroline (elite pass D) and Saints, that’s actually very, very good, especially since he has 0 premier weapons in the passing game with Cooley gone.
Suh? No thanks. But not possible anyway. He’ll go 1st and 2nd overall as it’s projected now anyway, Bucs/Rams could both really use him so they have no reason to trade down.
by Thomas Beekers on Dec 14, 2009 12:07 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
It's founder
by the way. Founder means to break down or fail. Flounder means to move about like a fish out of water; clumsy, uncoordinated movement. It seems like a popular word around here at the moment.
So does Jamarcus Russell founder or flounder at QB?
Cause, like, he looks kinda like a fish out of water…
a beech wail, even.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 14, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
Actually flounder does work as an intransitive verb...
2 : to proceed or act clumsily or ineffectually
It does mention that “flounder” (used as a verb) is probably a derivative of founder.
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Rather than look at options for 2010, I think the team needs to look at 2010 to 2012
The team is very unlikely to turn things around in a year. They need to build the franchise towards being a contender in 2011 or 2012 (more likely the latter). That means a few things:
a) They are likely to be a bad team in 2010 and therefore should get another high set of picks.
b) They don’t need to draft a quarterback in 2010. They shoul draft a QB in one of the next couple years. I really don’t like the grasping at straws, and large expenditure of assets, approach to finding the quarterback of the future (where the team acquires a QB almost every year in the hopes that one is good) See the dark days between Krieg and Hasselbeck: Rick Mirer, Kellly Stouffer, Dan McGwire (shudder), though Moon was pretty good in that era if past his prime.
c) It’s been said by John and others that the team should cut Hass, Walt, Kerney, and let Burleson and others walk. Trade TJ etc. I only agree with this to a point. There’s no point in being way under the cap as not all the money can be moved to future years. It doesn’t hurt to have some highly paid vets around as mentors, role models etc. If the money is available (because, say Kerney was cut) then I like the idea of having Hass around to help groom the next QB. if Matt plays great, then the young QB can watch and learn. If Matt gets hurt, then the kid can step in. If Matt starts the season but sucks, then you bench him. Seems better than releasing him outright, unless you’re up against the cap (which they shouldn’t be)
d) Related to point c, there’s definitely something to be said for being a team well enough to win most games, even when rebuilding. Part of the reason bad teams stay bad is bad management. Part of the reason bad teams stay bad is they never learn how to win, how to drive down the field and score with 2 mins left etc. A culture of losing is perpetuated. Potentially good players give up on the team (see: Shaun Rogers). And it can be hard to retain your players and they become free agents and recruit new FAs to your squad.
A few things to chew on…
The last point is exactly why I don't want the Hawks to lose all the rest of their games
just for draft position.
If your team is a perennial loser, you’re not going to attract and retain talent nearly as easily as teams that are perennial winners.
The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.
All this is putting the cart before the horse
The first thing that needs to be settled is, who will be the next GM/Pres?
On that question, one name I haven’t seen discussed here is Shanahan.
Sure, he’d want a lot of power (and Holmgren wouldn’t?), and he’d probably want to replace Mora (after yesterday, I wonder if that’s the sticking point for Leiwecke that it might have been before). But I’d rather have him than Holmgren.
I’d even be OK with it if he wanted the head coach position too. I hated his Broncos, but I always respected them. I’d be far more ready to accept Shanahan at the helm than I would that SOB Cowher that the idiots are clamoring for.
He's a possibility that I'd have considered.
If he’s hired, I wouldn’t be surprised if Knapp is allowed to stay.
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by Carl Shinyama on Dec 14, 2009 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
Why is Campbell such a bad option?
His stats of late aren’t terrible, he’s younger than Hasselbeck, and he can probably be signed to a reasonable FA contract in the offseason without giving up draft picks. Use the 1st day picks for DE, RB and DB.
He's not a bad option.
Just maybe not the best. Between Kolb, Campbell, or a rookie QB, as well as other unknown QBs that could be available, we should be able to land a QB. Will it be a viable starter, stop-gap, or learning rookie is the question here.
This.
From what I learned over in the philly SB blog, I don't believe Kolb is remotely available
without surrendering multiple picks and at least one of which would need to be 1st round.
Too high a cost in my eyes…
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 15, 2009 11:25 PM PST up reply actions
I think we should look into signing Richard Marshall, CB, Carolina.
Marshall is in the last year of his rookie deal and has had a very solid season as the starting right corner for the league’s No. 6 overall pass defense. A sure tackler, the 25-year-old has also chipped in three interceptions. -Rotoworld
This.
Why is 25 years old an ouch?
It isn’t his rookie year, it’s his rookie DEAL.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 16, 2009 9:47 AM PST up reply actions
Not sure... just know he's not a rook.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 17, 2009 1:15 AM PST up reply actions
Only if we have an uncapped year will he be restricted, from my understanding.
CAR franchised Peppers last year. I’d have to look into if they will have it available to use on Marshall. He certainly would be in the discussion about who to tag if we do have a new CBA.
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