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O'Neil at the Times with the report. Keep the discussion in here.

A presser has been called for tomorrow morning.

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Interesting.

PFW wasn’t completely correct, but the result is the same.
Could Holmgren/Gruden be next? :)

by purplepansy on Dec 2, 2009 11:12 PM PST reply actions  

Sigh.

With all the big names out there, hopefully Chuckie stays in the broadcast booth

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by Wayward Llama on Dec 3, 2009 3:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Sounds like he's being pushed out.

Hope they aren’t doing this just for Holmgren. Is Leiweke going to return? Would love to see them go after Bill Parcells.

The Boo Yahs and KJR both ripped this story like crazy after PFW reported it on Sunday, dopes.

by Badmotostinkfinger on Dec 2, 2009 11:13 PM PST reply actions  

I don't think Leiweke is going to return...

He’s with the Sounders isn’t he?

Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.

by Carl Shinyama on Dec 3, 2009 1:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Poor guy, must be living paycheck to paycheck.

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by Wayward Llama on Dec 3, 2009 3:16 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't know if we'll ever get the full story

but from what O’Neil wrote it sounds like Ruskell is leaving on his own accord because ownership couldn’t or wouldn’t give him any sort of resolution to his future.

by BrianL on Dec 2, 2009 11:13 PM PST reply actions  

I hope the team at least looks into all the options

instead of just insta-hiring Holmgren. Don’t get me wrong, I’m a bigger fan of Holmgren the GM than most, but I bet we could do better. The perk of making this choice early is having the jump on GM candidates and having more time to make the choice. I really hope a thorough search is made, and hopefully the Seahawks find themselves a Jack Z and not a Bill Bavasi.

by kearly on Dec 2, 2009 11:15 PM PST reply actions  

I'd be a tad surprised if they immediately hired someone.

This is a smart ownership group, I expect they’ll wait until the off-season and immediately begin pouring through candidates.

by BrianL on Dec 2, 2009 11:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, they should begin the search process now

No reason to wait for that. But I agree they should thoroughly look at every promising GM candidate before they make a hiring. It will probably take a month or two, I’m sure.

by kearly on Dec 2, 2009 11:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Well yeah, they'll begin laying the groundwork now

I imagine the start of the offseason is when things will really crank into high gear though.

by BrianL on Dec 2, 2009 11:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I would think that if Ruskell is leaving now,

They have some kind of target (or targets) in mind. Can you go a third of a season without a GM?

by djafrot on Dec 2, 2009 11:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Hm. But you'd think they'd want someone in as soon as possible.

Do you think Mora is safe? Hiring a new GM can’t make him very happy.

by djafrot on Dec 2, 2009 11:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not sure what the rules in the NFL are

but the Seahawks may not be able to negotiate or even speak to certain people until the offseason.

by BrianL on Dec 2, 2009 11:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I tried to google seach this

And it was damn impossible to find answers.

I think teams are allowed to hire anyone at any time for any job so long as they aren’t employed by another NFL team. That means they could hire one of the “rock star” former coaches like Holmgren tomorrow if they wanted to. Assuming they interviewed at least 1 minority candidate first.

Pretty sure they could promote anyone in-house quickly as well.

As far as other teams, I couldn’t find answers but it probably resembles the rules for hiring coaches. i.e.: Can’t hire lateral moves without permission from the other team, etc.

by kearly on Dec 2, 2009 11:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Paul Allen has a company for this type of job

“Vulcan inc?”

As I recall, they do a very thorough job and took their time before choosing Ruskell. And in fairness, that was not a bad hiring at all.

by kearly on Dec 2, 2009 11:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm happy about this.

The thought of Ruskell with two first round picks makes me sick.

by DetectiveM on Dec 2, 2009 11:26 PM PST reply actions  

Not a fan of this.

Also very unlike the deliberate Seahawks.

by Robert on Dec 2, 2009 11:27 PM PST reply actions  

Could be a lot of things.

They want Ruskell to be able to look around early, or they have someone in mind right away, or they want to promote someone from the inside?

by djafrot on Dec 2, 2009 11:34 PM PST up reply actions  

How is it strange?

Ruskell has more time to look for a job. The team has more precious time to find his replacement. Holmgren is still available, which he might not have been after the season, etc. I see a lot of reasons why the timing makes perfect sense.

by kearly on Dec 2, 2009 11:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Because this team and organization has shown a strong affinity

for having a plan laid out for the future and sticking to it. They have moved methodically the last several years, taking time to figure out the situation then making appropriate moves. The HC situation for example. They don’t make sudden moves in the middle of the season, they have waited until the season ended to make moves. This is counter to that. Which leads me to believe it’s entirely a move on Ruskell’s part because he wants job security and the Seahawks don’t like doing things mid-season.

by Fear on Dec 3, 2009 12:51 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't think firing a GM is analogous, really

because its not like a normal transaction. It represents a completely new direction and change of plans. For this reason its very common for a GM to be fired or step down mid season. Ruskell wasn’t even the first one this year.

When you are starting over from scratch, there isn’t really any benefit to giving Ruskell one more lame duck month with a coaching staff that will likely be gutted and a roster that will likely see some swift turnover. Instead, its a better use of that time to look for options and help ensure the next hiring is a quality one that doesn’t happen too late in the offseason.

by kearly on Dec 3, 2009 3:12 AM PST up reply actions  

I guess I'd put it this way

I know some of you think this is a mistake letting Ruskell go. If I was in your position and was adamantly opposed to letting Ruskell go, I’d still be glad they made this move in early December and not early January. The last thing we want is for the team to have to rush its GM search or hire a GM late in the free agency and draft preparation phase of the winter. And perhaps more importantly, a less rushed search process could potentially result in a better hiring as well.

by kearly on Dec 3, 2009 3:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Funny you say that, when a lot of people were upset at the Mora hire

because it came early too, and allowed for the Seahawks to be building their assistant coaching staff while much of the rest of the league was already set or just deciding on a head coach. But they said it was too soon, mainly I think because sexy names were out there…

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 3, 2009 1:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Thats a different situation though

The Mora announcement did come too early and caused a split locker room. Mora didn’t fill out his coaching staff until after that season. I think in retrospect, the team should have kept Mora’s coronation a secret until the end of the season.

A GM is different. There is no ill affect of a GM stepping down mid-season and the replacement process beginning earlier, because GM’s don’t really do anything this time of year.

by kearly on Dec 3, 2009 5:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I can't say I'm happy or sad.

Never ask for a change when you don’t know what the change is. Ruskell wasn’t Bill Bavasi, so it’s not guaranteed that we’ll hire someone better. I hope we do though, Paul Allen seems to know what he’s doing.

by LantermanC on Dec 2, 2009 11:27 PM PST reply actions  

Noooooo

That’s one band-wagon we’d be ill-advised to jump on.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Dec 3, 2009 12:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Btw

As-long as I’m going hyphen-crazy… ahh never-mind.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Dec 3, 2009 12:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Have now read said article

It requires teaching a new scheme which players may or may not adapt to in a timely fashion. If they don’t, and we switched schemes only to compliment a draft pick and our pre-existing personnel, then it’s something of a waste because the personnel the decision was based on are that much closer to contract expirations.
To be more concise: It’s a risk during a fragile period in franchise history if done for the right reasons and foolhardy if done because the 3-4 is in vogue.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Dec 3, 2009 12:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree with Cheddar.

I’m very wary of moving to a 3-4. I fear many of our players who are now perfectly fine in a 4-3 will be mismatched.

by redwolf75 on Dec 3, 2009 12:35 AM PST up reply actions  

T.I.T.

Most of the moves Ruskell made appeared shrewd and intelligent to me, and with the Seahawks headed to their 2nd straight losing season and so many busts in the last few seasons, I don’t know what to think about the NFL. Maybe I’m just taking this personally, but Ruskell quitting (or all but getting fired) after only 4 1/2 seasons is baffling to me. It’s like waking up one morning and suddenly 2 + 2 = 5.

I don’t want to assume anything, but I think now, only in hindsight, are people chiding Tm on some of his less successful moves. IMHO, those moves are: not doing more to keep Hutch, trading a 1st rounder for Branch and signing Russell. I don’t think it was Ruskell’s fault Jennings severly regressed as a corner after being drafted here; I don’t think it’s Ruskell’s fault that Leroy Hill, Lofa Tatupu and Marcus Trufant would all lose effectiveness shortly after signing extensions, and I don’t think it’s Ruskell’s fault that so many players he drafted got hurt.

I think Ruskell did an admirable job here in Seattle, and a part of me believes that if he couldn’t get the Seahawks to the promised land…..well, then, maybe no one can.

by J.L. White on Dec 2, 2009 11:49 PM PST reply actions  

I think Ruskell will be more successful in his next stint

He learned some valuable lessons from being Seattle. Namely, that its very important to avoid the “big mistake.” Fans might forget about those fatal mistakes like Hutch if the team wins, but once the team is losing, fans and writers will begin to look for reasons, and they will usually start with the biggest mistakes. Hutch is ancient history but look at how much it has been discussed in 2009. In the case of Bill Bavasi, he was coming off somewhat of a redemptive 2007 season where the M’s somehow won 88 games. You would have thought he’d have job security, but he was fired only 3 months into the next season, no doubt in large part because of the infamous Bedard trade and Silva signing.

Ruskell took a lot of gambles in his first few years. The Shaun contract. T-tagging Hutch. Systematically rooting out Hasselbeck’s favorite targets to bring in his own guys, including the Branch and Djack trades. Lofa Tatupu. Some of those gambles paid off while others didn’t. I’ve noticed that since 2006, Ruskell has been much more conservative and much safer in his decisions. He’s avoided a consensus big mistake for over 3 years. I think in his next job, he’ll continue to avoid the big mistake and he should last longer because of that.

by kearly on Dec 3, 2009 12:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Certainly someone can

As long as they don’t move to Oklahoma.

by Brendan Scolari on Dec 3, 2009 2:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Ugh.

Still a sore spot….

by thebyron on Dec 3, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

You suck.

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 3, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

on the fence about this

I think Ruskell is a great defensive talent evaluator and I like his offensive selections(Unger, Carlson, Spencer) but he’s certainly made mistakes and doesn’t seem to value the same positions that I do. I’ll feel better once we have somebody else hired.

by Hancock.Brett on Dec 2, 2009 11:49 PM PST reply actions  

I just hope this doesn't lead to a gutting of the coaching staff.

There are a lot of good pieces here and I like Mora, Knapp, Bradley and Quinn. I hope the new GM (PLEASE NOT HOLMGREN) realize that Mora and his staff have done well and should be on for the 2010 season.

SEA!

by MFAN on Dec 3, 2009 12:01 AM PST reply actions  

That's my main concern as well.

We need this team to stabilize in terms of staff and schemes.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Dec 3, 2009 12:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Stability is good

… as long as you haven’t stabilized into a state of mediocrity.

FWIW, the lack of “stability” doesn’t seem to have hurt the Broncos very much. If it wasn’t time for bed I could probably come up with more examples.

The point being, whoever gets the GM job should evaluate Mora and his staff realistically, honestly and fairly, and if the conclusion is that they’re not who we need, he shouldn’t be afraid to replace them simply because it would “destabilize” our staff and schemes.

Traditionally, a head coach is allowed to hire his own staff. So if the new GM wants, for example, to fire Greg Knapp, he’d have to do it over Mora’s objection - which probably means firing Mora too. So I don’t think the GM can look at the coaching staff one by one, but only as a unit, one for which Mora is ultimately accountable.

by Mr Fish on Dec 4, 2009 12:30 AM PST up reply actions  

That's one of my main concerns as well.

Now I’m worried that the Seahawks might not end up with someone who can draft as well as Ruskell can.

Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.

by Carl Shinyama on Dec 3, 2009 1:14 AM PST up reply actions  

That's my concern as well

I’m guessing Tim Ruskell is probably a top 5 GM rounds 2-7.

by kearly on Dec 3, 2009 3:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Unless there's massive turnover in the scouting and personnel staff

I think we’re going to find out how much of that late-round success was Ruskell’s doing and how much was the result of good staffwork.

I’m betting on the latter.

by Mr Fish on Dec 4, 2009 12:34 AM PST up reply actions  

4-7 is doing well?

Okay, so it’s not all about the team’s record, you have to take talent into consideration, but I think you’d be hard pressed to find an area the Hawks have done well in this year.

by Brendan Scolari on Dec 3, 2009 2:45 AM PST up reply actions  

True

But then what aspects do you think they have performed well in?

by Brendan Scolari on Dec 3, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

The team is among the most disciplined in the league in penalties, with the exception of the Arizona game and against the Rams

They jump off the snap defensively better than they have in the past. The run defense has improved, though, no thanks in large part to Colin Cole. With a bunch of back-ups and the lack of chemistry due to injuries on the O-line, they have been run blocking quite well lately.

There’s more, but I’m still waking up right now… I’ll let someone else list the areas in which the team has performed well.

Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.

by Carl Shinyama on Dec 3, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

You have to do well SOMEWHERE to win four games.

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by Cheddar28 on Dec 3, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

True

But when evaluatinf the strengths of the team, there isn’t much there. The run defense is pretty good.

by Brendan Scolari on Dec 3, 2009 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

The team has shown improvement from last season.

It potentially looks like it could be a QB from being in contention. The play calling has been greatly improved despite Knapp having to work with a broken-down QB, the defensive schemes have also been much improved which reflects well on Bradley and Mora. Finally, the locker room and team chemistry seems to be fine despite back to back losing seasons which also reflects well on Mora.

Mora and his staff might not be the answer, but nothing they have done this season warrants a firing.

SEA!

by MFAN on Dec 3, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Please don't take this the wrong way

but I’d say you’re being a homer with your evaluation there.

Unless we’re talking Peyton Manning I don’t think a QB is nearly enough to solve the Hawk’s problems, the team has quite a few holes.

Maybe the offense and Knapp seem better than how things were last year, but DVOA says otherwise. Their offensive DVOA is worse than last year, and I’d say they have better personnel/health.

The defense has shown a little improvement, although it’s still been poor.

I have no idea about the team chemistry, I’m just saying the team has pretty much failed this year.

And if Mora isn’t the answer, why would you keep him around? Why not try to find “the answer”?

by Brendan Scolari on Dec 3, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

No offense taken. I'm sure im on the biased side, it's hard not to be when it comes to your team.

Obviously QB isn’t the only position the team needs to upgrade at on offense. I wouldn’t mind another tackle and a running back to pair with Forsett, but I do think people underestimate how bad Hasselbeck has been, he had 102 passing yards against the rams.

Regarding the defense I would say that the offense has put them in some bad holes and that the team desperately needs a better pass-rusher and probably another corner. However the talent is there for the D to break out, much like the niners did this season. Defense tends to be inconsistent from year to year, so I don’t see any reason why they can’t break out in 2010 or even in the final few games of 2009.

I didn’t say Mora wasn’t the answer, I said I didn’t know. Nothing that Mora has done this year has warrants him being fired, unless it’s his fault that Hasselbeck is old.

SEA!

by MFAN on Dec 3, 2009 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

I pretty much agree with everything you said there.

by Brendan Scolari on Dec 3, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions  

How to win four games

Schedule at least four opponents whose team is in more of a shambles than yours.

by Mr Fish on Dec 4, 2009 12:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I like what they were building

I liked the defensive front seven-centered model, pass rush and run-defense focused. The versatility of the line rotation was intentional and built in.

I like Knapp’s system, a WCO that’s more about creating mis-matches and more intent on creating big play opportunities than the Walsh model it stemmed from. More willing to take shots. Mitigated by balance with the run, itself mitigated with the ZBS.

Wild-cat style trick plays, a recognition of the importance of big plays amidst balance/efficiency, ZBS, fire-zone blitzes amidst a general focus on generating pressure from four, situational line rotation, bold gameplanning that adjusts to opponent (such as Mora’s observation of the significant disparity in performance of Favre & Warner against 5+ man pressure vs. 8-man coverage).

This is a very very modern approach to football. Fire-zone is one of the newest innovations to the game, aside from the A11. They built a very solid foundation. Even up to 2008, Holmgren’s model dictated some portion of personnel strategy. This was the start of a transition to a new model, while trying to keep open a contention window for a core that had been built in 2002-2004. There’s only 7 rounds in the draft, you can’t overhaul a team in one year.

We’re still 6th in run defense run DVOA. So I’ve found a number of things we’ve done well in. And most of it was the most important, starting with the foundation of a solid and modern model. I’d rather than us not having a well-founded plan but having some good pass defense or urn blocking and red zone offense for a year.

by jacobstevens on Dec 3, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

I think the timing suggests it's GM Holmgren

Over the last ten days Holmgren has been linked to Buffalo and to Cleveland. I think Holmgren was prepared to take the Browns job until the Seahawks called. Ruskell must have gotten word that his time was done and resigned. Pure speculation at this point but a highly likely scenario.

by Kevaru on Dec 3, 2009 12:15 AM PST reply actions  

I can't make sense of the resignation any other way

Why would a GM step down in the middle of the season? The Seahawks front office would have just told him that they would be evaluating him after the season and then be deciding on whether he would get a new contract. I’m pretty sure that is how it goes in the vast majority of front office decisions regarding the GM position. The most likely scenario in my head is that the Seahawks have a person in mind to replace Ruskell, and that likely candidate would be Holmgren given that he was in talks with the Browns this week.

by Kevaru on Dec 3, 2009 1:25 AM PST up reply actions  

I can make sense of the resignation for other speculative factors besides making room for Holmgren.

I still don’t see it as being “highly likely”.

Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.

by Carl Shinyama on Dec 3, 2009 1:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Why do you think a GM would resign mid-season?

If I were a betting man, I’d feel pretty confident Holmgren is the new GM. I can’t see the Seahawks front office telling Ruskell that he won’t be back in the middle of the season unless they had a candidate lined up to replace him.

What do you think is the most likely reason for Ruskell’s departure at this point?

by Kevaru on Dec 3, 2009 1:38 AM PST up reply actions  

At the very least

you’d think Ruskell and the front office would wait until the Seahawks were mathematically eliminated from the playoffs before making a decision regarding the future of the organziation and their careers.

by Kevaru on Dec 3, 2009 1:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I have no idea who is the most likely replacement for Ruskell. That's what has me worried.

But nothing about the timing suggests that it’s for any specific person like you’re suggesting. The last time that the Seahawks looked for a new GM, they deliberately took their time, and considered a variety of candidates before making their decision. It would be highly uncharacteristic of someone like Tod Leiweke to approach a successor in a single-minded manner with only just one candidate in mind.

But I think the most likely reason for Ruskell’s departure is as simple as a change of direction.

Remember Matt Millen? He was fired during the duration of the 2008 season, and they had no idea who was going to be his successor at the time. It’s because of a precedence like that that makes me say: Just how can you say that it’s highly likely that the Seahawks are getting rid of Ruskell at this time to make way for Mike Holmgren? With nothing but speculation to support your views?

Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.

by Carl Shinyama on Dec 3, 2009 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, kind of the end of an era.

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by Wayward Llama on Dec 3, 2009 3:21 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not sure how I feel about this yet.

I’ve spent so much time defending him to the irrational haters that I grew to like him. I was really hoping it would all work out but maybe this will be better for both us and him in the future. I wish him the best of luck in his career. And please not Holmgren. I love the guy but his time here is passed, let it stay that way.

Also a die-hard Hawks fan.

by Hopefulmsfan on Dec 3, 2009 1:15 AM PST reply actions  

Am I the only one who

hopes they retain Ruskell as some sort of talent evaluator? He has a great eye for defensive talent and can still be a big asset to the organization. That is, of course, assuming he wants to stay with the Seahawks in a reduced role.

by Bildo on Dec 3, 2009 6:21 AM PST reply actions  

I would be happy with it

but it would be awkward, even for the fans. Probably best to make a clean break.

by jacobstevens on Dec 3, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

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