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I like watching Roethlisberger, given how terrible the PITT oline is
just seeing him run around for 15 seconds avoiding sacks then passing.
It’s a thin line, though. I can’t stand watching Favre.
Well to be fair Steelers handed the packers game.
Then the packers handed the steelers game.
And I benched Rodgers in the FG league this week in fear of NorthEastern weather that didn’t happen. Don’t fail me now Brett Favre!
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 20, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
I'm behind 70 points in fantasy
I apparently can’t win a thing. Earlier this week I lost a bet in who would win a basketball game I attended.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
Michael Bush with 18 carries for 133 yards.
John’s RB’s went off today. We need Brohm to have a big game next week to complete the sweep,
SEA!
Screw watching more football.
Second week in a row that my appetite for more football was destroyed.
Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.
At least the Broncos lost.
Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.
by Carl Shinyama on Dec 20, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
We just got a little closer
To the Sam Bradford era.
by A'Seahawks_Warriors on Dec 20, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions
I seriously doubt the Seahawks are getting him now.
Locker is staying at UW.
Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.
by Carl Shinyama on Dec 20, 2009 5:18 PM PST up reply actions
We might not have to
move up we could end up picking 5th the way we are going.
by A'Seahawks_Warriors on Dec 20, 2009 5:23 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think Bradford is slipping past 4.
I think the Seahawks, at this rate, will finish with the 6th to 8th overall pick.
Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.
by Carl Shinyama on Dec 20, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
Mark Sanchez had plenty, he still went top 5.
I think need will surpass skepticism in this case, and it will inflate Bradford’s stock. Locker also had tons more skepticism, but he was generally considered a top 5 talent.
Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.
by Carl Shinyama on Dec 20, 2009 5:33 PM PST up reply actions
They do, but it will be a lot more expensive.
Locker staying at UW just shot Bradford’s stock up by about 5 spots. I am almost praying for a comine-warrior to drop Bradford’s stock a little bit.
Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.
by Carl Shinyama on Dec 20, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
He did throw a pass to Carlson with plenty of zip.
The idea that Hasselbeck doesn’t have ANY velocity on his passes is getting ludicrous. He can still make NFL-caliber throws. Only, the velocity on his throws are declining and is affecting his play. To say he doesn’t have zip is not accurate. Yet.
He is almost done, but the Hasselbeck era may have passed him by. I believe a new quarterback will be under center for the Seahawks next year.
Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.
by Carl Shinyama on Dec 20, 2009 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
You severely underestimate what level of zip Hasselbeck needs
If he was a prospect, he wouldn’t be a prospect.
He did have a couple that had some "zip"
But it was like 3 throws.
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 20, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
No, I do not.
It sounds to me that popular opinion is warping the perception of Hasselbeck’s zip to the point where everyone believes that he has NO zip. His velocity has declined, yes, but I saw some passes that a good zip to them. Also, a good deal of his passes weren’t much different from he’s made in the past.
To say that he has NO zip is inaccurate. That was my point. He has SOME zip. It’s just below average now.
Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.
by Carl Shinyama on Dec 20, 2009 5:31 PM PST up reply actions
So your definition of a pass with "zip"
Would be one with elite velocity?
Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.
by Carl Shinyama on Dec 20, 2009 5:35 PM PST up reply actions
I should reword this.
I enjoyed the Backyard Running Lateral play.
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 20, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions
Hey guys,
Great game this week- see ya’ll next year eh and uh good luck in the future.
Need a New Sig- LOOKING FOR IDEAS!
by Some other guy who does not care on Dec 20, 2009 5:07 PM PST reply actions
And Q13 is begging for Holmgren to come back
Screw what the fans think….it’s stupid that people are this narrow-minded.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
Can I get a TV show
I promise I’d be more coherent than these jokers
Its TV
Reality doesnt matter, you talk about whats most sensational and make the biggest deal possible.
"What's Mike Holmgren's worth. Empty seats might be the answer." - Furness
Fill in your obscenities.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
Oh shut up Ian
You’re a hack that lucked into a radio show because a significantly better personality got too expensive for your station.
An unexplored angle: Housh wanted to honor his friend
I wouldn’t be surprised if TJ starts burning bridges and forcing his way out.
He had something planned if he scored a touchdown
I think he just assumed he would. I assumed he would.
Why would we throw it to Housh?
When we have midgets like Butler ready to catch those fade passes?
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
As soon as they said Housh had a TD celebration planned
I knew he was jinxed.
"Football players are temperamental. That's 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental." - Doug Plank
I vote for a FG post game show.
And I’ll help out anyway I can.
I had to turn off KJR on the way home from the game. I was screaming at the radio.
Justin.tv is free.
I don’t know if uses multicams?
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 20, 2009 5:22 PM PST up reply actions
I got 2 weeks off.
Let me look into some things.
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 20, 2009 5:22 PM PST up reply actions
I know no one cares about my fantasy team.
But I made a bunch of good late minute substitutions but Favre over Rodgers may bite me in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 20, 2009 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
I'm down by 70 points with 4 players left.
Vikings kicker Longwell, Sidney Rice, Steve Smith of the Giants, and Fred Davis of the Redksins.
Think I can make that deficit up?
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
I think you could.
Although I’m rooting against Davis.
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 20, 2009 5:27 PM PST up reply actions
The only bright spot in my day right now
Is the fact that Avatar is indeed failing at breaking even. $73M on opening weekend when it has to gross over $400M just to pay for the production costs (to say nothing of the marketing, advertising, distribution, etc.)
I think it might hang aroudn for awhile
Since I hear its not as crappy as I thought it would end up as
$310mil for production $150 in marketing. (terribly spent)
But why does that make you happy? Avatar is amazing!
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 20, 2009 5:24 PM PST up reply actions
Also I noticed at least where I live that its picking up steam after word of mouth.
It was fandango selling out the first 2 nights but I checked tonight and nothing was available.
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 20, 2009 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
Because the movie looked awful from the first trailer
And I don’t want it to succeed just because people look at it and go “Ooh, shiny”.
Any movie that rehashes the line “You’re not in Kansas anymore” deserves to fail.
It's a writing disaster, I'm sure
but writing is a small part of making a movie. A move can be good without strong writing or a compelling story. Avatar is eye candy, an experience.
Its going to have to be seen in theaters.
I’m going to go normal 3D and then try to get to a imax 3d.
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 20, 2009 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
Shockingly the script isn't terrible.
It’s cliched, but it’s cliched like Star Wars was. There’s no gray, it’s very clear that there’s a good side and a bad side.
And to further this comparison
I saw this movie with my dad and his first words after we left the theater was “This was A New Hope circa 1977.”
But everyone that it looked awful.
And then went and saw it and is now comparing to Star Wars of our generation.
And star wars writing was terrible.
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 20, 2009 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
See when i Heard avatar was coming i out i was thinking about
The little kid who could control Wind and had a arrow going on his head
And bam it shows some blue guy
by somepnoy9189 on Dec 20, 2009 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
Also BrianL has already seen it twice.
And most people have said they’re going to go again.
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 20, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
Seriously I was dead wrong about this film.
Amazing experience.
So basically, Y-chromosome Twilight.
You’re only making me hate this movie more.
As Scruffy will attest
I was perhaps the most skeptical person here at FG when it came to this movie. I was so very, very wrong about it.
Because, as I just said, I didn't want people to get suckered in by all the random colors thrown at the screen.
But whatever. I’m not in the mood to argue.
I for one can hate movies like Transformers
Because their huge success saturates the market with special-effects oriented films that don’t rely on decent writing. That probably makes it harder for studios to invest in projects that do rely on a comprehensible screenplay, as it takes hundreds of millions to fuel these dated leviathans like Avatar that no one will be talking about in five years, despite whatever their expensive, massive marketing campaigns tell you.
by Anticitizen_One on Dec 20, 2009 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
Nearly every movie makes money, and indie film making has never been healthier or more diverse.
A rising tide lifts all boats. The market is big enough for both.
Even though I feel a film like Invictus
has more creativity involved in its creation, a film that is fueled by being marketed as the coolest looking movie and just pumped in hundreds of millions to some really talented CGI dudes will rake in far more cash. To me, a layman who doesn’t know anything about hollywood, that’s unfair.
by Anticitizen_One on Dec 20, 2009 6:27 PM PST up reply actions
But like I said, Cameron killed my mother and raped my mother
I may be a little biased
by Anticitizen_One on Dec 20, 2009 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
er, raped my father.
Gee… its a lot more serious than I intended now.
by Anticitizen_One on Dec 20, 2009 6:35 PM PST up reply actions
Necrorape
I can see your perspective.
by John Morgan on Dec 20, 2009 6:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think today has forced me to watch as many bowl games as possible
To see which QBs could be of interest, whether it be McCoy, Pike, or some small school guy in the later rounds.
I want to see a wide range of prospects.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
Coming right after the subthread about a movie
I mistook this one for a Star Trek reference. McCoy, Pike … where are Kirk and Spock and what positions do they play?
1st time I've left a game early.
I was scared I would try to harm Mora….I left at the start of the 4th.
Has Al Michael's hair replenished
or is he attempting the Trump Supreme Combover method, where you grow out one side to about a foot in length and swirl it around the top.
Heard at the game...
“Who’s Kerney?”
“A rookie I think…oh wait the score board says 11 years experience”.
So?
Are only people that know the seahawks well allowed to go to the games?
I went to my first hawks game when I had been following the entire sport for just 1 year, I knew no one, I could probably name 5 QBs in the league at the time.
by GarethLewin on Dec 20, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
Oh Furness you pussyfoot around the Hasselbeck thing
I would say he just about lost the game.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
Someone get Brad Childress some hot chocolate.
Dude was shivering during the interview.
Well, Moore I swear was a rookie when he beat us
And by beat us I mean Holmgren kept using Shaun.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
There's a lot about the Tampa 2 I like
and it would be something if the team was coherently constructed like one.
I mean...
Colin fucking Cole? That’s one of your starting defensive tackles and you expect rush from four?
Yeah
He is a good player. He’s even played well this season, but he’s the most ridiculous DE I’ve ever seen.
Collinsworth: "Carolina is hanging around."
We’re not even 10 minutes into the game!
I can't get into this game at all, today was such a gut punch.
People say that the way Green Bay lost today is the most devastating way to lose, but I’d take losing on a hailmary over losing like the Hawks did any day of the week. Their is nothing more depressing in football than today’s game.
SEA!
Honestly
though my dislike for Mora has met its apex, and my sadness for this team has never been more profound, today was cathartic. As long as Mora is moved out, I’m ok with today.
I'm scared tod leiweke is hell bent on making sure Mora stays.
And if he is that’s a bad sign. The team has quit on him and everyone can see that.
That's good to hear. I guess there is always a positive.
It’s just, holy crap the bucs beat us by 17….at home.
SEA!
Green Bay still has meaningful games to play.
We don’t. And we’re playing like it.
I potentially see Seattle trading away many players (Hass, Branch, Kerney, etc.)
For draft picks. We may be draft whores next year.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
I saw Curry get to Freeman on the INT
Was it him or Tapp?
You don’t know how badly I want him to be a pass-rusher.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
I wonder what Steve Keim would bring to the table as GM
Arizona does a decent job on offense.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
We don't know who are BEST player is...
by Trojan Knight on Dec 20, 2009 6:06 PM PST up reply actions
We can't give Rob Sims the football.
Seriously, I think Sims and probably Carlson are the best players on offense/
SEA!
Jones isn't terrible
He really does look identical to his brother in many ways. I think he would be playing at almost the exact same level if he was playing for the Jets.
Of course
It’s tough to know for sure, but I think bad vision and small, shortly closed holes kind of go hand in hand.
You know, it would have been very easy for Mora and the staff to give all the carries to Force, especially with the pressure from the media.
I give them credit for realizing that Jones faced a lot of top run defenses and that he didn’t deserve to be fully benched. This might be on Knapp, though, not Mora.
SEA!
Tough to know.
Even if it’s Knapp, I credit Mora too. He gets all the blame and all the credit—that’s just being a HC.
How much blame can the defense get today?
Watching Freeman have all the time in the world was maddening.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
The one that got to Freeman early
And the one that stopped TB on 3rd and 1 on two occasions.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
I think a lot of it goes on Bradley/Mora
The playcalling is reminiscent of Marshall.
I can’t believe this is the same defense that got 2 shutouts.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
I didn't see most of the game, but it seems like the defense mixes a lot of good things with bad.
The Blitzes seem ok, the coverage schemes don’t match the talent, though.
SEA!
3 man rush.
We’ve tried it several times and it doesn’t work. You need competent secondary guys to make that work and a little bit of a pass rush when rushing 3.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
The criticism of Marshall was overblown
but I don’t think he’s a good defensive coordinator anymore. I want to see what Bradley can do without Mora’s fingerprints.
Speaking of GMs, the Panther have acquired several nice players...
Stewart, E.Brown, Gross and other Olinemen. They have good corners and usually that is a strength as is the secondary as a whole. Who’s running that show and could he be a candidate?
This.
In fairness, drafting a QB is every GMs nightmare
Thanks to Ryan Leaf.
Depends on how you define "real big money"
There were plenty of first round QB busts before Leaf who made big money as defined by
one of the following:
(a) what the rest of the league was paying for the position
(b) percentage of the team’s payroll for players
© inflation-adjusted dollars
Have you tried the 120min?
90 is pretty stiff, 120 is a kick in the teeth.
You like getting your legs taken out and being worthless? I pegged you as more of a Kevin Bentley
WE could just aim you at someone to hit every play…for no real reason.
Here's a clip from the Mora presser, haven't listened yet, but I know a lot of people wanted to hear/see it.
I'm guessing Jake Dellhomme forgot what number he was.
Moore is having no trouble finding him.
This.
By monetize, I mean figuratively turn him into value
by trading him for a pick. That adds value and cap.
Hasselbeck's backwards pass is sure-fire for "CMON MAN!" on MNF
Brian Russell took over Hass’ soul.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
As long as Arizona lost...
I can’t root for the Cards to win a superbowl before the Hawks. Can’t.
by Anticitizen_One on Dec 20, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions
This was the reason I rooted for the Steelers back in February.
Could not stomach the notion that Arizona could be the same team we couldn’t.
Wait, Kelly Jennings is our backup long-snapper? How could this happen?
by Anticitizen_One on Dec 20, 2009 6:50 PM PST reply actions
Because it's the closest he'll ever get to having the ball in his hands
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
by SSreporters on Dec 20, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Probably the most interesting comment from Mora's post-game presser
Was it just a bit of “what else is going to go wrong this year” or was he genuinely surprised that Jennings was all we had as a backup?
I didn’t see it on TV, but I hear they were trying guys out on the sideline. Apparently Jennings beat out Owen Schmitt. Furness wanted to know how Mora could have failed to have a backup already in place. Maybe — and I mean maybe — because he had misplaced trust in DeHaven, who’s been a special teams coach for years and supposedly knows what he’s doing?
Ok I ate away all my emotions with a tray of buffalo wings
Now, luck permitting, I can slip into a food coma and die
by Anticitizen_One on Dec 20, 2009 6:58 PM PST reply actions
The Vikes D has me leading by one freaking point.
Please don’t give up any points to Carolina. Intecept the ball. Sack the hell out of them but let me enjoy some JStew runs that result in no points.
This.
So I watched the majority of the game today with my father, who really doesn't care about football.
He’ll watch from time to time, but doesn’t actively follow. Midway through the third quarter before we shut it off to go do other more interesting things, I asked him who he thought was killing the offense. “Hasselbeck”, he said. He wasn’t entirely sure why the announcers were disparaging the offensive line because Hass had plenty of time. My dad, who rarely watches football and isn’t invested in the Hawks, saw this in three quarters.
You know what some people forget
Is that Holmgren ran a very simplified offense that worked like a multiple choice exam where as this offense is less about filling in answers with your number 2 pencil and more about the essay created with time.
And now the cherry on today's crap sundae
Someone just spoiled the Survivor finale on my facebook.
Holy crap that show is still on the air?
I mean that with all seriousness. It’s still airing!?
I would kill for us to draft a Peppers-esque DE
I played Offense from Pop Warner til college, so I used to not like it, but since I’ve stopped playing I find that I like D more now.
My opponent played Moss, Fitzgerald, and Andre Johnson
I’m playing Sidney Rice, Steve Smith (Giants), and played Devery Henderson.
Next year will be better.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
I started Schaub
And the Texans scored only 16 points. Disgraceful. I need a ton of TDs not to go to Andre Johnson.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
I played against JStew in high school
I talked a lot of shit before that game too. I’ve like him ever since.
I like Fox. I may be the only guy in Charlotte that does
But I like him. Seattle would be so lucky to have him; and a new QB :)
It is what it is...
Outside of Jake D. Carolina has a lot of good players.
I’d keep far more of their roster than ours.
This.
I just had a wierd thought.
Brett Farve Retires after a 1 and done and then Holmgren coaxes him to come play for cleveland.
Primarily because that would be a boon for us.
And that just doesn’t happen.
I wouldn't mind Hass mentoring a young QB we draft.
I think he’d accept such a role, possibly a restructure if needed, too.
This.
Yeah, $10 million is a little steep
for a mentoring role.
It's Great to be a Florida Gator!
"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett
All I want for Christmas is Joe Haden, Eric Berry, and Nandamukong Suh in Seahawks blue.
by Wayward Llama on Dec 21, 2009 3:23 AM PST up reply actions
Is it any more steep than the millions Big Walt is getting to spend on IR?
Especially since we all know he’s never coming back?
I'd hate to think you just cut a player like Matt.
QBs are too scarce to get nothing for him by cutting him outright. After teams have seen Warner, Garcia, Pennington, and others rise above their career path and enjoy some success helping other teams win, there surely is some value in trading Matt rather than cutting him, even considering how poorly he’s played in recent season/games.
This.
Smith almost won me my fantasy playoff game..
just needed 2 more points if only that td went to him
Oh wells..
by somepnoy9189 on Dec 20, 2009 8:13 PM PST up reply actions
Smith has 14 targets
and everyone else has less then 3
This is the kind of targets housh wants
by somepnoy9189 on Dec 20, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions
They got the Giants and Saints next
Hopefully the Saints will just rest their starters.
by aerozeppelin on Dec 20, 2009 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
Normally when I say good night it's the whole "SEA! HAWKS!" and "ME! BANE" routine
I’m going to try something different.
FIRE!
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
Bad sign lol first 3 guys on my fantasy team depth chart
Tom Brady 6 points
Joseph Addai 6 Points
Justin Forcett 6 Points

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