Monday Night Football - Open Thread
by John Morgan on Dec 21, 2009 5:37 PM PST
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PrintThe ever polarizing Jason Campbell hosts the formerly polarizing Eli Manning. Manning is a year older than Campbell almost to the day. Campbell has outperformed Eli, statistically speaking, year-for-year, throughout the pair's careers before Manning broke out in his age 27 season. Campbell is 27 for a few more weeks, but hasn't played significantly better this season than last. One would think that so young, playing against consistently tough divisional competition, and at the helm of a young, largely talent poor offense, his holding pattern, continued good but not great play, would be a minor victory for the young quarterback -- a reason for patience, if not celebration.
Instead, it will end his time as a starter in Washington. Unlike Eli, who has consistently underperformed Campbell in completion percentage and interception percentage, and has the exact same career adjusted yards per attempt, Campbell doesn't have winner written into his name. Campbell's slow development and good but not great play is proof that he's double dense and incapable of development. On a team with more jobbers than players, Campbell is the brain-twisting lightning rod for fan and ownership complaints.
If only he could ride the league's best rushing attack and a dominant defense to a Super Bowl, then he would be a significantly better quarterback.
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totally a one sided smear fest.
Furness said we should voice our displeasure by keeping the seats empty, then later berated a guy for saying he was giving up his season tix.
We apparently are the Seattle Holmgrens.
I'm done with it for a while.
At least till he end of football season. I don’t know enough about baseball or care, to get too fired up.
I'm not a native of the area
But I think this particular media — Seattle sports — lives on nostalgia and refuses to rightly criticize once-good players. Shaun Alexander was a perfect example of this. At first it was easy to conclude the offensive line was the problem….but then Mo Morris was running well and that argument got shot to pieces.
Hasselbeck is in a similar situation. I like Danny O’Neil but that was a horsecrap article. What he pretty much did was justify Hass’ decision to throw into double coverage (Hass’ 2nd INT) and then disregarding the 3rd INT.
The “lack of a big play threat” was nonsense because it’s the Buccaneers.
As for KJR they have Holmgren on their shows all the time. I think they purposely advocate for Holmgren because he’s practically been a part of the network.
Seattle sports media needs to wake the f*** up and realize the good ol’ days are done and they have to move on and criticize when a specific player, especially Hasselbeck, lays an egg.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
You just nailed it.
Extends to the Griffey thing too, even though they were not all on board.
Hell I’m from Toronto so I’m as non native as it gets.
He's a really nice guy
and they are totally in love with him. He’s loyal and honest, hell I love him.
But it’s these qualities that make him a horrible GM.
710 launching has helped.
Brock and Salk are good. Dave Wyman spent a whole hour today making the reasonable case of why the team doesn’t need Holmgren or a “Czar”
not perfect, but a big improvement over the Softy/Ian combo on KJR
"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg
works out for me
Mitch is the least annoying thing about KJR – so it’s him in the morning, then an hour of NPR, then switch over to 710.
I haven’t had to listen to Cowherd since I was stuck with him as a local DJ down in Portland (and Ian too – oh, the horror, the horror.)
"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg
Replying to all above.
I don’t agree that Holmgren is the man or should have been but the way the Seattle Seahawks organization handled the situation was unprofessional to say the least.
I am tired of TL now too. He is making it his priority to hire a guy that won’t steal his thunder as CEO of the Seahawks.
This team is in a down hill slide and is going to be bad for about five more years. Get ready to relive the 90’s Seattle. Mariners will do good, and Seahawks will suck.
"If, now this is a hypothetical, If I were offered the job, I would start with the offensive line" Mike Holmgren on KJR
He (TL) is making it his priority to hire a guy that won’t steal his thunder as CEO of the Seahawks
What single shred of evidence is there to come to this conclusion? Simply because he wouldn’t hand the keys to Papa Holmgren?
Leiweke is a business man. He handles the business side of things, and he has a good track record of it with 3 separate teams in 3 different sports. Of course he’s not going to hand that off to someone else or a “czar”. Why in the world would the fans want a football guy running the business side of things anyway? You want Holmgren (or whomever) to have to worry about setting ticket prices, schmoozing sponsors, and who’s going to raise the flag in between their scouting trips?
By Leiweke’s own admission, he knows nothing about personnel, and there’s no evidence he involves himself with it. His MO in Portland and with the Sounders has been to hire expierenced personnel guys and then give them autonomy. That’s also what he did with Ruskell – he gave ruskell the power to hire his own team, his own coach, be the face of the franchise in interviews, etc. He was evaluating the bottom line of wins & losses to decide whether or not to extend the guys contract, and he only had to step into the spotlight after Ruskell forced the issue by resigning.
All indications are that he’s looking for a FOOTBALL guy to hand those responsibilities back off to, but somewhow, the local media and a lot of the fans have this vague conspiracy theory that this is all some sort of “power grab” on his part.
"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg
by jteckmann on Dec 22, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He's like Ron Dayne.
Combined with 2006-2007 Shaun. Jacobs is 265 lbs yet he’s trying to play like Gale Sayers and break everyone’s ankles with flashy cuts (which slowly develop) instead of power.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
So, big surprise, including "Fuck" in yesterday's headline angered SBN and at least one parent
and of course brought in huge traffic. Yawn.
This is my aunts approach to parenting
For the first 3 or 4 years of my cousins life we weren’t allowed to say the word no to her. Wouldn’t want her to feel rejected.
I have a hard time comprehending this approach to parenting.
And yet its really common. Its like a self-fulfilling prophecy. People want their kids to turn out good but end up stunting their personalities by being over protected.
I nearly raised myself
and it sucked at times when I was young, but I think it’s an integral part of my personality now.
Totally agree.
Adversity teaches you something that being coddled can never give you. It challenges you to figure yourself out. Sadly that’s an undertaking many people never even contemplate.
Somehow my cousin is still going to turn out kick ass
Her little brother on the other hand is a needy little brat who thinks teenage mutant ninja turtles are too scary.
Haha, yeah thats the crazy thing, parenting only accounts for so much.
Even growing up in the same house, siblings can turn out extremely different.
Helicopter parents
Thankfully, more and more people are realizing the absurdity of it, and I’ve read articles suggesting the trend is reversing.
"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg
Boy I'd love to see what the reaction would have been
if this unholy marriage had existed during the infamous Carlos Beltran Kills Felix Hernandez LL meltdown.
I'm not sure, but I think I've pioneered putting swear words in headlines
and that pisses off everyone.
In the last year or so
SBN has attempted to become more professional and respectable. The network is approaching mainstream in popularity and respect, so, naturally, we are moving away from what made us that and towards the outdated model we are supposedly replacing.
Well John all this talk about HDTVs got me in the buying mood.
I just replaced my set today with something a little bigger, a lot brighter, and with a much faster refresh.
God this game looks glorious.
Spotted it on Craigslist for $900.
It’s the most compulsive purchase I’ve ever made.
I game and watch sports a lot, so refresh rate is huge.
I also tend to use my TV as a computer monitor, so there’s a lot of static elements. That pretty much eliminates a plasma TV from consideration.
Besides that I’m pretty big on brightness and contrast. The new set I got has 100000:1 contrast ratio, which beats the tar out of my Vizio. I also look at the inputs and outputs, need to have at least one component in, three HDMI in, and 1 RCA audio out.
Contrast was a huge factor for me
I do not fully understand what “2000000:1” means, but damn did Planet Earth: Caves look awesome last night.
Bigger the first number, the better.
LED TVs might have the best contrast ratio out there now, but they’re absurdly expensive.
It's unlike any TV I've ever watched, honestly
I want to be skeptical, as it is my wont, by I find myself regularly blown away. I am not smart enough to be sure I bought a good TV, but if it’s not, damn, I’ll settle.
You're eyes are telling you the truth.
It really is that much better than 480p television.
I'm watching games one some 20" flat screen my parents sent me.
They baught some odd Canadian brand and found it to be shitty so rather then toss the fucker out they gave it to me.
Next week I’ll be watching the hawks get destroyed on the big screen.
I can’t wait.
That's about where I was
My TV was ~27". My wife found it and it was better than the 10-year old hand me down I was given by someone.
My wife and I did some TV "pre shopping" the other day
and I was thinking “how am I going to convince her to let me get a 37” TV? She’ll thing it’s too big"
We got to the shop and she walks up to the 46" and says “this is a good size for us”.
I damn near crapped myself I was so excited.
I would only buy a tv that actually fit the size of my living room
no point in buying a 52" tv if you have a 4 foot square living room.
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I agree.
I think the 42" would be right for our room. Neither one of us want something that over powers the living area.
“Look at us ALL WE DO IT WATCH FUCKING TV”. Not my style, even though it’s true.
As a somewhat technically inclined person
albeit not a/v guy, it pains me when people buy technology they don’t need or properly utilize. I mean its their money and all, but I hate when people don’t educate themselves and waste money.
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That's on the o-line and playcalling
And apparently you can only throw the ball when the receiver is open.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
A couple of years ago this would've been reasonable
these days not as much, I’m pretty sure you can get a blu ray player for half the cost of a PS3.
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Is that so
I am not very interested in buying a new gaming system, being that I am ending the period of my life where I have free time.
Mind you I don't know a lot about Blu Ray players
but just looking online you can find one for $120-$230 or so.
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$299, the price is finally right.
It’s also going to be forwards compatible with Blu Ray’s new 3D spec. If you game at all go this route.
There's some other neat features, though.
Netflix, the PSN video marketplace. A comparable Blu Ray player would run at around $230-$240, so for another $60 or so you can get a gaming console as well.
Well sure if that's part of the equation
then the PS3 is probably the right move.
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Netflix streaming can be done on a pc
and most high end TVs these days have VGA/DVI ports anyhow.
I don’t see the value in the video stores on either 360 or PS3 so eh.
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I'm not sure why, but Netflix streaming has always looked better for me on my 360 than on my PC
and my PC is no slouch.
I don't have Netflix
so I can’t really comment on this. My guess though would be that its easier to optimize for 360 and PS3.
I wonder what the quality will be like when they release the Wii version.
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It looks stunning streaming from my PS3 and 360.
Terrible on my PC. Probably optimization like you suggested.
They were hiring PS3, 360 and Wii programmers recently
wonder what more they have planned.
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Just think, Jim Mora could've been throwing college kids under the bus
If he was hired to coach the Huskies.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
USC's offense might not have been stuck using mid 90s NFL playcalling
had this happened.
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If only
Mora has come unraveled. I wonder if Ruskell kept him in check. I always saw Mora as a caretaker coach that deferred to his GM.
He probably thought he would do the same as in Atlanta and go to the NFC Championship in his first year.
That dream is over, and the nightmare is just gaining steam.
I wonder...
why Mora would want Holmgren as GM… I’m pretty sure Holmgrens first order of business would be to fire Mora
I think I'm addicted to Football Outsiders stats
Now that I have a basic understanding of how the method works.
Our run defense was ranked 6th before last week in DVOA. I’m sure that will change slightly. Maybe 7th or 8th or 9th.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
And here I'm kicking like a habit
As an early adopter and champion of FO, I am unhappy with their recent direction.
I know some of the people and so I'm not going to get into details
But it feels like they hit a wall with how much their stats could do, and while I respect their effort to “chart” games, I think their method is in need of a massive overhaul.
I do not trust the charting, myself
I don’t like their individual DVOAs, particularly when it comes to non-skill offensive and all defensive players.
There are lots of smart people out there.
Someone’s going to eventually figure out something new and if we’re lucky, FO will be leading the way with it.
Sounds like what happened to Baseball Prospectus
They need a Fangraphs or StatCorner type group to get them going.
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I've decided I'm not interested in Campbell
Because his first pass as a Seahawk will involve his right arm popping out of his socket before he can complete his throwing motion.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
Isn't Rocky Bernard on this Giants team?
by Joshua Kasparek on Dec 21, 2009 6:35 PM PST reply actions
That makes me sad. I liked him so much.
by Joshua Kasparek on Dec 21, 2009 6:39 PM PST up reply actions
They should get him in there..
good chance we’ll see the ‘Sugar Bear’ dance a few times
Agreed. That seals it.
I was only going to watch the first half anyway. This makes it an easy decision.
I loved steve smith, why didn't we draft him? Dude was so polished.
by Joshua Kasparek on Dec 21, 2009 6:41 PM PST reply actions
Yes and he was always the better receiver on the team
Smith got about as overshadowed as any USC player could possibly get despite being extremely good. He wasn’t loud or flamboyant or flashy like a BMW or Dwayne Jarrett.
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is Jarret still playing?
in the NFL that is?
He's still on Carolina
I’m sure I’ve seen him in a game or two. Their pass offense seems to be “Throw it in Steve Smith’s general direction and hope for the best”. At least until they switched to Moore.
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Skins quit on Zorn to make Sure Shannahan is coaching for them.
by Joshua Kasparek on Dec 21, 2009 6:44 PM PST reply actions
I can't help but feel terrible for Jim Zorn.
I wish he would resign.
Well he wants his money
Honestly if the Redskins really don’t want him they should just fire him. No point keeping him and hoping he resigns, then you end up with situations like this.
I want Zorn to resign for the same reason I want Hass to retire.
It pains me to see him in this situation.
But then Madden would be inaccurate in telling me that current Redskins
Head Coach Jim Zorn was the starting QB for the Seahawks heart breaking loss in their first ever game.
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I remember reading Hound of the Baskervilles thinking, "This needs more barechested 1800's boxing"
Also more Rachel McAdams
by Anticitizen_One on Dec 21, 2009 6:51 PM PST reply actions
Cowboys just signed Shaun Suisham and cut Nick Folk
I don’t think Coutu is ever getting a job in the NFL.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
Which is weird, when you think about it
I still scratch my head about Shaun Alexander being run out of the league.
Happens in sports all the time
For example, why was Kenny Lofton forced into retirement?
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I can't think of a single Seahawks that wasn't retained that has been successful elsewhere
pretty much throughout the Ruskell run.
Seems like the same descent most injured, unproductive veterans receive
And Shaun was never a humble man, I wouldn’t be surprised if his asking price was high. Hell, why be a running back in the NFL if you’re not getting paid.
I don't know
Jamal Lewis has stuck around forever. Same for Emmitt Smith, Warrick Dunn, Tomlinson, Holmes and Fred Taylor. Alexander was never catastrophically injured and didn’t retire. He was run out despite wanting to play.
Cut a kicker who misses a gimme field goal against the Saints that gave the Saints a last-chance drive to attempt to tie
To sign a kicker who was just cut for missing a gimme field goal against the Saints that gave the Saints a last-chance drive to attempt to tie.
The problem with Campbell, as I see it, is the middle ground has been destroyed by pundits on both sides
and so now Campbell is either a great young quarterback, held back, punished and blamed by a bad team, or a crap bust that can’t tie his shoes.
Isn’t it much more likely he’s a decent quarterback on a terrible team?
a dirtbag, really?
sign him to play on our OL
Collins missed the hot right there
and then throws a great ball for a non-TD
Good decision on the timeout
The Giants were completely outmanned
Hey guys, I've got an idea
What if we put the ball in the hands of our punter and asked him to pass?
As easy as Gruden makes it to poke fun of him
At least he never sullied himself like Jaws did with Tony last year. Mike, Jaws, and Tony was the worst idea since Bryant Gumbel on play-by-play.
by Anticitizen_One on Dec 21, 2009 7:05 PM PST reply actions
very little positive on that last play
Why make it the last play of the half by running the clock down? Washington is 20 yards from the end zone.
There's desperate
and then there’s a complete meltdown and this is tending towards the latter.
I understand not kicking the field goal...
but why not straight up go for it…
well...
if they wanted to have someone throw a wounded duck into quintuple coverage may as well have an actual quarterback do it
That was quite possibly the worst football play I've ever seen.
You don’t telegraph the fact that it’s a fake field goal before the ball is even snapped, and the throw didn’t even get to the 5-yard line.
You know, if you can take your gut out of it, it's been a good week for Seahawks football
Broncos lose. Seahawks lose. 49ers lose. Panthers win.
Considering what we've seen from Mora this week
I am happy he’s shown his true colors and is making an open and shut case for his dismissal.
You think so? I know how you feel about it, but everyone close says he stays
by Joshua Kasparek on Dec 21, 2009 7:11 PM PST up reply actions
I think most everyone thought Ruskell stays too
by B.B.Finnegan on Dec 21, 2009 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
Ruskell forced the issue creating this whole vaccum mess that had Holmgren mania runnin' wild Brother!
by Joshua Kasparek on Dec 21, 2009 7:13 PM PST up reply actions
Classic Ruskell overplay
Wonder if he would have been retained if he would have just sat quiet. It’s interesting that the guy who refused to sign guys until after the season expected an answer now.
To add guesswork to guesswork
It’s also possible he knew or at least strongly felt they wouldn’t be bringing him back.
by B.B.Finnegan on Dec 21, 2009 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
Very possible
It’s possible the team even told him as much, but all sides agreed it was best not to divulge that.
We assume he forced the issue
Either way, Leiweke and Allen didn’t believe in him enough to keep him. When pressed, so long Ruskell. I think it happens regardless.
by B.B.Finnegan on Dec 21, 2009 7:15 PM PST up reply actions
He went to ownership and asked if he was going to get a new contract.
He forced the issue.
And their answer was...?
It would’ve been the same answer at the end of the season. I don’t see how that would change.
by B.B.Finnegan on Dec 21, 2009 7:17 PM PST up reply actions
He didn't get an answer.
Future up in the air, Ruskell decides to resign.
To not make a decision is still a decision
by B.B.Finnegan on Dec 21, 2009 7:20 PM PST up reply actions
The team was at an important stage
I understand Leiweke taking a wait and see approach. I wouldn’t have committed to Ruskell either.
I bet Mora stays
and I won’t agree with it. This team is getting worse as the season progresses. The players aren’t buying into the system.
I tell you what, I am notoriously out of touch and so maybe I'm wrong
but it would be hard to understand if he was retained.
I'm beginning to think that they're going to retain him through the season
and let the new GM replace him. Ownership tells the fans that they love Mora, but with a new GM the franchise needs to go a different direction.
They have to say they love him
You either do that or fire him. I don’t think they want the controversy and mess that would come with that.
by B.B.Finnegan on Dec 21, 2009 7:19 PM PST up reply actions
Mora is a somewhat beloved Pacific Northwest sports figure.
I think someone else would have been fired today.
By umm...er....playing football at Washington
And then umm…erm…okay I don’t think he’s really achieved it.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
Said the Huskies head coaching position was his dream job
and gosh darn he seems like a swell guy.
Well my thoughts on it are really
Mora stays another year and succeeds or fails with an influx of young talented players. It’s PR for a coaching candidate and if Mora fails…two drafts near the top won’t be bad plus if he succeeds, isn’t that a best case scenerio?
by Joshua Kasparek on Dec 21, 2009 7:17 PM PST up reply actions
I'm just saying I don't see the harm in another year.
by Joshua Kasparek on Dec 21, 2009 7:20 PM PST up reply actions
If I have to go through another year of this I'll end up as bald as Hasselbeck
Is that not enough??
by B.B.Finnegan on Dec 21, 2009 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
I'm really unshaken in bad seasons unless there's no hope. I have hope.
Thanks to my hope pills.
by Joshua Kasparek on Dec 21, 2009 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
That's unfair SSreporters. His career as a HC has been lackluster so far
He got his start in football coaching from his dad, but he’s done a hell of a lot outside of that first job that should earn him some respect in this business.
by Joshua Kasparek on Dec 21, 2009 7:32 PM PST up reply actions
He's a lifetime assistant
And has shown no leadership or maturity to be anything except head toilet cleaner.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
You say he's done a hell of a lot
but I am not sure he has. I can’t think of any personal success he’s had. He didn’t excel as a defensive coordinator or position coach.
The last two years he was with the 49ers
They had middling 13th and 14th ranked pass defenses (13th and 14th overall defenses).
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
And no that wasn't meant to say he excelled
It’s just his defenses have been no better than average.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
I don't know anything about them as a person and would never judge them
but as a public personality, they stand against a lot of what I believe is right and fair and proper and best for mankind.
You are gonna have to elaborate on that.
by Joshua Kasparek on Dec 21, 2009 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
Well
he worked his way up largely through personal connections without ever proving professional success.
His professional qualifications seem limited
He seems reductive in his thinking, and, without necessarily being responsible, another sentinel of the old guard that deprives the more worthy of achievement.
And, without beating a dead horse
I have a personal problem with nepotism and cronyism and Mora seems like product of both.
Just out of curiousity
Did you have this problem with him prior to his hire?
No
I thought he would make a sensible face of the franchise and thought he had an eye for coaching talent.
I'm beginning to wonder if the good coaching talent he brought in
was more dumb luck than any kind of a thoughtful process.
I think the good coaching talent he brings in
is a not quite redeeming characteristic in light of his own inability to lead.
His initial reactions to things are disconcerting
And that’s just from what we’ve seen in our limited scope. Mostly right after a loss, then his more composed press conferences. I can’t imagine what the players have to deal with. I wonder if he’s like that with them constantly. That would suck.
by B.B.Finnegan on Dec 21, 2009 7:48 PM PST up reply actions
But mostly I accepted I wouldn't know until he was in charge.
I figure evaluating a head coach without knowing the team and the situation is futile.
You mean like 80% of the perfesional world period?
Since the dawn of time? sounds like he had a low tolerance from you to begin with
And Paul Moyer disagrees with you about Mora’s career.
by Joshua Kasparek on Dec 21, 2009 7:36 PM PST up reply actions
Indeed
I’d love to see the Leiweke report on the state of the team.
by B.B.Finnegan on Dec 21, 2009 7:11 PM PST up reply actions
yes
well… avoid the rush and make ridiculous throws on the run. I’m pretty sure he’s allergic to the pocket
He is a very good comparable to Culpepper
Culpepper was similarly hard to sack, big, could rush a little, had a strong arm and fell apart late in his career when his body failed him.
Bright side of steelers win
Is they could beat out Denver for a wildcard playoff spot. That’s the only silver lining I can think of.
The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.
by Nick Andron on Dec 22, 2009 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
FWIW, the brief appearance of Collins points the protection blame away from Campbell
Doesn’t look like many quarterbacks could survive behind that line.
This incompetent showing is easily explained by Jim Zorn having the Giants' defense in fantasy
by Anticitizen_One on Dec 21, 2009 7:29 PM PST reply actions
Help!
I’ve forgotten how to tie my shoe and I can’t get up!
by Anticitizen_One on Dec 21, 2009 7:32 PM PST reply actions
so John... while we're talking head coaches
your short list?
Truth is
I don’t know exactly how to properly evaluate a coaching candidate. It’s obvious when a coach is failing, but, in theory, no failing coaching candidate would be considered.
He would probably work pretty well, actually
He would run the defense (which is almost always playing from ahead), and Peyton Manning would run the offense.
by B.B.Finnegan on Dec 21, 2009 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
you know I keep hearing...
Mora is a ‘defensively minded’ coach. I’ve never seen his performance in statistical terms. Any data on how his defenses fared when he was an assistant?
Without knowing what the talent he had is, it would be impossible to say how well he did statistically
How would we know what another coordinator would have done with a defense, or how the head coach’s input/overruling affected what he wanted to do, if it did?
well coordinators you can evaluate
Monte Kiffin was known as a defensive guru. This moniker was accurate when looking at how his defenses fared…. but evaluating assistants would be harder
Well I don't know if it'd be worth going back past the 49er days
Not sure what you’re looking for.
Time as head coach:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/MoraJi1.htm
Assisant with 49ers from 1997-2003. Defensive Coordinator in 2003.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sfo/
Before that he was with the Saints with his father.
by B.B.Finnegan on Dec 21, 2009 8:02 PM PST up reply actions
well that would limit your choices... I would think
how would you rate assistants that have little to no head coaching experience?
We can sure make a list of who we hope we don't get
And the first name I submit is Mangini.
by Anticitizen_One on Dec 21, 2009 7:48 PM PST up reply actions
We could hit that untapped market of the cult of Glanville
Who dwell underground in the Portland catacombs
by Anticitizen_One on Dec 21, 2009 7:54 PM PST up reply actions
I would actually really like the idea of getting an innovative college coach
You have to make sure they’re cut out for the workload though. Mike Leach would be interesting but the NFL would eat him alive.
I agree with this wholeheartedly
The difference between coordinator and head coach is large. There is very little that’s going to tell you (without being interview itself and even that’s a crapshoot) if the fantastic coordinator can handle the duties of the head coach.
I always thought that was one reason head coaches get recycled. They’ve been there and can, theoretically, learn from there mistakes.
How do those coaches in the booth feel
with Allen right behind them watching their work?
Well if you can't block them,
let them come in and throw screens to backs and TEs
And the Redskins have outscored the Seahawks.
by Anticitizen_One on Dec 21, 2009 7:55 PM PST reply actions
Marty Schottenheimer for Seahawks next head coach
and I am not kidding. Look at this record
Brandon Jacobs obviously psyched for Mayweather-Pacqiao
by Anticitizen_One on Dec 21, 2009 8:03 PM PST reply actions
I want pacquiao to win this fight so bad
But this maybe the fight where he justs is in too much over his head Floyd is Huge, Quick, and Smart
Then again i felt the same way against Hatton and Oscar
by somepnoy9189 on Dec 21, 2009 8:12 PM PST up reply actions
Since we're talking about fighting. This is the Giants beating the Redskins
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
by SSreporters on Dec 21, 2009 8:03 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
He basically broke the #1 rule of martial arts
He got hurt earlier in the fight, they clinched up, he got out and ran away and never put his hands up.
I couldn’t believed that happened.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
For this MMA organization he was hyped
13 wins and only 1 loss and was making his debut in the WEC.
Intriguing prospect for his division and then that happened.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
It's the WEC
Which is the UFC for lighter weight classes. They are both owned by Zuffa.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
It's not Kimbo Slice, ipso facto, it's not UFC
QED.
by Anticitizen_One on Dec 21, 2009 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
First thing I see is, the guy trips him, easily, and makes no effort to take advantage
Then he stands there and is suplexed, even bracing himself on Slice’s back, and finally we get what looks like the old wrestling fake punch*, and then a punch into the mat.
*In which, you take one hand and put it near where you’re going to punch. The other hand is cocked and motions punch. When the two near each other, the resting hand motions punch while the punching hand misses. It’s misdirection.
first off.
When Kimbo punches the guy his hand that was holding his target steady was knocked off by the punch. That was why it looked like he punched the mat.
You people obviously don’t fight. I see this all day when I train.
"If, now this is a hypothetical, If I were offered the job, I would start with the offensive line" Mike Holmgren on KJR
I grew up boxing.
What exactly are you training for?
by John Morgan on Dec 22, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
If that's what Houston Alexander was trying to do
Then he is an awful actor. This fight was boring as hell and went to a decision. Kimbo won and Houston was immediately released from the UFC after his 4th loss in a row….sad because he started off with 2 KO wins.
Houston came up with the dumbest fightplan ever. It felt like Houston was losing that fight on purpose.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
The whole fight scene showed Slice landing punches flush
But predictably Kimbo has awful cardio and gassed when Houston should’ve been brutally knocked out.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
lol, Kimbo and Lesner are a bane to MMA
by Anticitizen_One on Dec 21, 2009 8:26 PM PST up reply actions
Lesnar has skills
All-American wrestler at Minnesota but there is no way he hasn’t been roiding.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
From a totally neutral perspective
The Redskins performance tonight is way worse than Seattle’s.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
I agree
The turnovers doomed the Seahawks.
Washington just looks like death.
the last time the hawks lost against a team as bad as the Bucs...
1976… our inaugural season. For sure it was in the top 5 of all time worst ass whoopings
If not for Stafford we'd have made it two in one season by losing to the Lions
THE LIONS
by B.B.Finnegan on Dec 21, 2009 8:11 PM PST up reply actions
I'm almost at the point of saying fuck it, complete rebuild time
starting at the top (which Ruskell has already begun, unwittingly). Needing a new QB is the perfect time for it.
And then once that’s in place, we’ll see which players fit.
Not that I have any say in anything that’ll happen.
by B.B.Finnegan on Dec 21, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions
You know what I just realized? We'll be fine.
Paul Allen is a badass mo’ fukka. What he did with the Blazers was inspiring, if not without mistakes. Just wait till the Seahawks get their Brandon Roy.
by Anticitizen_One on Dec 21, 2009 8:15 PM PST reply actions
That is if Allen was the dude who pulled the trigger
on firing Cheeks and bringing in McMillan and Pritchard.
by Anticitizen_One on Dec 21, 2009 8:16 PM PST up reply actions
Campbell may just as well
run backwards 15 yards and crawl into the fetal position
"I DIDNT GET ONE"
That’s Mora in that commercial
by Anticitizen_One on Dec 21, 2009 8:18 PM PST reply actions
What happened to that 325 pound backup QB the Giants had
by Anticitizen_One on Dec 21, 2009 8:22 PM PST reply actions
Oh yeah, Favre began his annual team-splitting last night.
rubs hands together
Good. Good.
by Anticitizen_One on Dec 21, 2009 8:29 PM PST reply actions
I stopped watching this
This has been the year of the haves and have nots. I look forward to an awesome playoffs, but the regular season is ending with a thud.
Use your powers to fix it. Write a better ending WWE Style
by Joshua Kasparek on Dec 21, 2009 8:32 PM PST reply actions
That's the new TNA stuff right?
Too old for it now. But at 10 years old, Sting, Goldberg, and NWO Hulk Hogan were the shit.
by Anticitizen_One on Dec 21, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
ECW has been around a while
I think it’s since been bought out an sanitized, but, in the day, it was the dark underbelly of an already sordid industry.
Every ugly thing about the WWF, the rampant drug use, womanizing, steroids, violence, etc
was amplified and concentrated into the tiny ECW. And, I imagine, it paid back its inventor a thousand fold.
I should head over to the Bulls blog on SBN for some sweet, sweet schadenfreude
by Anticitizen_One on Dec 21, 2009 8:41 PM PST reply actions
Sorry JOHN
Jason Campbell is not better than Eli Manning.
Oh, and please Seahawks, fire everyone.
"If, now this is a hypothetical, If I were offered the job, I would start with the offensive line" Mike Holmgren on KJR
I didn't
I said that like Eli, he could bust out if put into the right environment.
by John Morgan on Dec 22, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
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