The Eric DeCosta Scorecard
(What follows is over seven pages and 2,500 words long. If you're interested in the gist of it, scroll down to the end.)
I did an overview on Eric DeCosta, but think I can do better and think you deserve better. Here's an attempt to hold DeCosta by the same standard I held Steve Keim. First I will look at his work as a Midwest scout for the Ravens from 1998-2002, and then his work as the director of college scouting from 2003-2009.
Baltimore did not draft a talent from the Midwest until 2001.
2001
3) 92 Casey Rabach C Wisconsin
4) 126 Edgerton Hartwell LB Western Illinois
7) 231 Dwayne Missouri DE Northwestern
Casey Rabach might remind some of Seattle's Chris Spencer situation. Rabach was drafted in the third round by the Ravens but struggled to break through early in his career. He then signed with the Redskins and became the most consistent player on their offensive line.
Hartwell was a pretty good value for the round he was taken in. He started his second season and from 2002-2004 before leaving in free agency. His approximate value in those seasons is 9, 8 and 9. Atlanta signed him to a six-year, $26.25 million contract before 2005, but injuries sapped his ability and he was cut in 2007.
Missouri is a seventh round pick that never broke through.
2002
2) 52 Anthony Weaver DE Notre Dame
4) 112 Dave Zastudil P Ohio U.
4) 123 Ron Johnson WR Minnesota
6) 206 Javin Hunter WR Notre Dame
6) 207 Chester Taylor RB Toledo
We see the rising influence of DeCosta in this draft, his last as a regional scout before being promoted. Weaver was a solid pick in the second. He was able to start his rookie season and started 16, 15 and 15 games before a host of injuries sidelined him in 2005. DeCosta scores twice on Weaver: For drafting him in the second and acquiring a Lawrence Jackson like end and for not re-signing him after injuries took their toll. Weaver looked like a stud back then, but fizzled away from Baltimore.
If you draft a punter in the fourth, he better stick and he better be great. Zastudil is not, by all accounts. His rookie season with Baltimore, the Ravens were below average punting the ball, and over his four season, he was twice below average and twice above average - almost in equal degrees. I am starting to think it is very hard to evaluate a punter from an outsider's perspective. I disagree with drafting a punter so early, but it seems Zastudil is, if nothing else, a competent punter that can be good.
Johnson never developed as a receiver or returner and was last a linebacker and receiver for the Cleveland Gladiators.
Hunter's career peak was a 63 yard kickoff return in 2002. He is not the same kind of flat bust as Johnson. Hunter started strong in the preseason and started three regular season games as a rookie. He ruptured his Achilles before the start of 2003 and was never the same player. Push.
Chester Taylor started his career as a third down back, but slowly worked himself into the running back rotation. Taylor was buried behind Jamal Lewis, but still produced, was signed by Minnesota in 2006, rushed for 1,200 yards, and was then buried behind Adrian Peterson. Taylor has been valuable throughout his career and is a huge win on DeCosta's resume.
Starting in 2003, we must assume DeCosta took a leadership position in the Ravens entire draft.
2003
1) 10 Terrell Suggs OLB Arizona State
1) 19 Kyle Boller QB California
3) 77 Musa Smith RB Georgia
4) 109 Jarret Johnson DE Alabama
4) 134 Ovie Mughelli FB Wake Forest
5) 146 Aubrayo Franklin DT Tennessee
5) 173 Tony Pashos T Illinois
6) 182 Gerome Sapp DB Notre Dame
7) 223 Trent Smith TE Oklahoma
7) 250 Mike Mabry C Central Florida
7) 258 Antwoine Sanders - Utah
Suggs has been a baller from snap one. He was a situational pass rusher as a rookie and recorded 12 sacks. He has 56.5 for his career, 5 interceptions, 32 passes defended and 18 forced fumbles. Suggs is an elite player, still only 27, and a young 27, and a grand slam pick for DeCosta.
Boller is everything I said about Suggs, applied to a quarterback, inverted and intensified. A complete bust that looked the part of a bust, my only tempering of this massive misstep by DeCosta is that Brian Billick pushed hard for Boller, and in those days, Billick was a respected coach, and a force slapdicks shouldn't defy.
Musa Smith looked like a talented back on his way up before Roy Williams effectively ended his career with a horse collar tackle. Smith suffered a compound fracture of his tibia. The play directly led to the banning of horse collar tackles, but the damage was done for Smith. He played sparingly the next two seasons and could never reestablish himself. Push.
Jarret Johnson took a slow path to success, but has been a regular starter in four of the last five seasons. A very good pick that is still paying dividends for the Ravens, notably, Johnson's AV in 2008 was 10, better than Bart Scott.
Mughelli didn't break through right away with the Ravens, but is now considered one of the best fullbacks in football. He was good in his final two seasons in Baltimore, but lured away when Atlanta offered him big bucks. A minor success for what they got.
The hits keep coming: Franklin was a valuable rotational player for Baltimore, even starting once, and is now a starter for San Francisco. Mike Nolan targeted Franklin, which says something about his perceived value, and though he never fully broke through with Baltimore, he was playing behind Kelly Gregg. Not a horn-blowing success, but very good value for the pick.
Pashos is what a right tackle should be: cheap and good enough. A good player for Baltimore and eventually Jacksonville, Pashos is a good run blocker that was a great value for the Ravens.
Gerome Sapp couldn't stick with the Ravens, signed with the Colts and then signed again with the Ravens. He played nickelback. Neither a bust nor hit, but a pick spent on a semi-talented player that just didn't fit on the roster.
Smith, Mabry and Sanders had no noteworthy NFL career.
2004
2) 51 Dwan Edwards DT Oregon State
3) 82 Devard Darling WR Washington State
5) 153 Roderick Green LB Central Missouri State
6) 187 Josh Harris QB Bowling Green State
6) 199 Clarence Moore WR Northern Arizona
7) 244 Derek Abney WR Kentucky
7) 246 Brian Rimpf T East Carolina
Edwards is still a sometimes starter, sometimes rotational end for the Ravens. He is neither a bust nor a hit, but a semi-valuable player acquired with a semi-valuable pick.
Darling never produced for Baltimore, and that's quite an achievement, because the 2004 Ravens leading receiver was Travis Taylor. Taylor had 421 yards receiving. Darling was last in Kansas City. His current whereabouts are unknown, but, presumably, not in Kansas anymore.
Green struggled to produce, was stabbed July 2006, subsequently released and is now out of the league.
The rest of the draft barely made an impact and all four are now out of the league. After ruling draft day, DeCosta's second draft produced no starters, and only one regular.
2005
1) 22 Mark Clayton WR Oklahoma
2) 53 Dan Cody LB Oklahoma
2) 64 Adam Terry T Syracuse
4) 124 Jason Brown C North Carolina
5) 158 Justin Green RB Montana
6) 213 Derek Anderson QB Oregon State
7) 234 Mike Smith LB Texas Tech
Clayton had a strong rookie season, an even better sophomore season and has since spun his wheels into the mud. The 22nd overall pick, Clayton is not a prize, but surely a value, still young, and maybe has better seasons ahead of him.
Cody was a fine prospect whose career has been eaten by injuries. He started 42 games in college. Best to call this a push, as the injury seemed unpredictable and traumatic.
Terry was a second round selection that never fully broke out of spot starter duties. Terry has not played in 2009. This is another pick muddled by injuries and therefore hard to evaluate.
Jason Brown started his second season and is a highly regarded center. St. Louis threw smarts to the wind and signed him to googolplex dollars this past offseason, but, for three seasons, he was a cheap and very good center for Baltimore.
Justin Green was a special teams contributor.
Anderson was waived his first season and claimed by the Cleveland Browns. He then had one of the great fluke quarterback seasons of all time, before retreating into his well furnished mansion of suck.
Smith contributed briefly for the Ravens on special teams.
2006
1) 12 Haloti Ngata DT Oregon
2) 56 Chris Chester C Oklahoma
3) 87 David Pittman DB Northwestern State-Louisiana
4) 111 Demetrius Williams WR Oregon
4) 132 P.J. Daniels RB Georgia Tech
5) 146 Dawan Landry SS Georgia Tech
5) 166 Quinn Sypniewski TE Colorado
6) 203 Sam Koch P Nebraska
6) 208 Derrick Martin CB Wyoming
7) 219 Ryan LaCasse LB Syracuse
Ngata is considered one of the best 3-4 linemen in football. He has played end and tackle, is just entering his prime, and should the conditions be right, could be entering a lengthy run of Pro Bowl appearances.
Chester was recruited as a tight end, drafted as a center, converted to guard, converted again to tight end and then converted back to guard again. He has 32 starts in his NFL career, and if never a stand out on his own, has been a good part of some very good offensive lines.
Pittman had two interception in 2007 and a forced fumble. That about summarizes his NFL career. He now plays in the UFL.
Williams is a field stretcher that has never come into his own as an actual receiver. He is not a bad player, and is valuable for his draft position.
Daniels was put on injured reserve prior to his second season and never recovered.
Dawan Landry has started three of the last four seasons, and, apart from 2008, has been a very solid starter for Baltimore since his rookie season. He used to noogie LaRon Landry.
Sypniewski was primarily a blocking tight end, but received some in 2007 after Todd Heap and Daniel Wilcox suffered injuries. He tore his ACL prior to this season.
Koch is the Ravens current punter. This season the team is slightly above average punting.
Martin is a talented young defensive back that was buried in Baltimore and now plays in Green Bay. Baltimore traded Martin for offensive tackle Tony Moll.
LaCasse never factored.
2007
1) 29 Ben Grubbs G Auburn
3) 74 Yamon Figurs WR Kansas State
3) 86 Marshal Yanda T Iowa
4) 134 Antwan Barnes LB Florida International
4) 137 Le'Ron McClain FB Alabama
5) 174 Troy Smith QB Ohio State
6) 207 Prescott Burgess LB Michigan
Supplemental
5) Jared Gaither T Maryland
Baltimore built their left side with this draft and in impressive fashion. Grubbs is a promising young starter and on the short list for best young offensive guards in football.
Yamon Figurs returned a kick and a punt for a touchdown in his first season, but could never stick as a receiver. Once the Ravens found a better return man, Figurs was cut, and is currently a free agent.
Yanda is a spot starter at guard and tackle that may have outright won the right guard position this season after starting the last four games and playing ably. I'm a big fan of Yanda.
Barnes is a rotational linebacker and special teams player for the Ravens.
McClain is a fullback better known for his rushing than blocking, but so what? He was astonishingly valuable in 2008 and the 11-5 Ravens leading rusher. This season he is buried behind Ray Rice and Willis McGahee. McClain's is a curious story to say the least. I am not sure he will ever repeat his 2008 performance, and certainly some of that performance must be credited the Ravens line, but for that year alone, we must credit DeCosta with another fullback find.
Smith was a member of the jobbers row of quarterbacks Seattle fattened against in 2007. He is now a Wildcat quarterback.
Burgess has split time between the Ravens and Patriots, and is, essentially, depth and a special teams player.
Gaither is the crown jewel of this class. DeCosta got Gaither for a fifth round pick in the supplemental draft, and now he is their starting left tackle, and franchise tackle of the future. Gaither isn't in the class of young Turk left tackles taking over the NFL, but he's close, a rare physical specimen (the tallest man in the NFL), a powerful drive blocker with developing pass pro skills. He was available in the supplemental draft because of bad grades, and available in the fifth round of the supplemental draft because a lot of other GMs didn't do their homework.
That leads us to the last draft we'll look at in detail.
1) 18 Joe Flacco QB Delaware
2) 55 Ray Rice RB Rutgers
3) 71 Tavares Gooden OLB Miami (Fla.)
3) 86 Tom Zbikowski FS Notre Dame
3) 99 Oniel Cousins T Texas-El Paso
4) 106 Marcus Smith WR New Mexico
4) 133 David Hale G Weber State
6) 206 Haruki Nakamura FS Cincinnati
7) 215 Justin Harper WR Virginia Tech
7) 240 Allen Patrick RB Oklahoma
Joe Flacco is a franchise quarterback.
Ray Rice is one of the best young running backs in football.
Bart Scott's replacement doesn't fill a stat sheet, but Tavares Gooden is starting for a top ten defense in his second season. It's premature to pass judgment on T-Good.
Everyone's favorite boxing white safety is mostly a special teams force, but in three starts this season, he has two interceptions and four passes defended. I liked this pick when it was made, but it's, again, a little early to project his future value.
Cousins has started the last two games at right tackle, but through force of attrition rather than eminent skill. Nevertheless, one injury ravaged offensive line to another, Cousins seems more capable than some of Seattle's replacements.
The next three players are special teamers, and Allen Patrick was cut.
2004 was a hot mess, and, tellingly, occurred after DeCosta swept the 2003 draft. So, all GMs and potential GMs have their highs and lows, but DeCosta's highs certainly seem to outnumber and more than compensate for his lows. If we wanted to put a stamp on his career in Baltimore, I would stamp it a success, but let's attempt something a little more nuanced.
He seems to excel at drafting offensive line talent. He has never invested major resources into the offensive line but still acquired Rabach, Pashos, Terry, Brown, Chester, Sypnewski, Grubbs, Yanda, Gaither and Cousins. He also has had several successes drafting defensive linemen, linebackers, running backs, fullbacks and safeties. His run of backs is particularly impressive. He doesn't trend towards a specific region and seems to have no major leanings towards small schools or big schools. His success at drafting quarterbacks is mixed. Kyle Boller was an inexcusable failure, but Anderson and Smith were decent value for their pick position and Flacco is a young stud. Truthfully, I'm not wild about Flacco's profile, and though he's stepping into this own, the big bodied, big armed profile DeCosta seems to favor is notorious for producing busts.
What excites me most about DeCosta is not his drafting record, but the prolific picks he secures. Few teams enter draft day so consistently stocked with picks throughout the draft, and unlike other GMs that will burn those picks to move up and select their guy, DeCosta stands pat and picks many players. He has benefited immensely from trawling the draft and seeing what value shakes out.
His high profile and history of finding offensive line talent should make him a favorite for the Seattle position. I don't know that DeCosta is the "Z" we desire, but on second inspection, he is a young, well connected executive with a diverse portfolio of success.
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This took kinda of a long time, but was a blast
Tomorrow I’ll run the what if I was GM podcast, since that’s sure to be a fun few hours, and then I don’t know. I have lots to do before the new year, so I’ll do my best to keep posting worthy content.
Wow, that was really well done.
Not to kiss your ass too much, but that was incredibally objective and informing. Thanks brother…I actually sort of like DeCosta now.
by DJ C-Raig on Dec 22, 2009 11:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Me too
and that’s the fun of this. I do my best to start the process with no assumptions.
by John Morgan on Dec 22, 2009 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
Perfect write up. A+
I’m really looking forward to any more of these that come down the pipe.
As far as what I gleaned from this, I have to say that willingness to draft a QB in the 1st round is a big, big plus in my book. Ruskell was traumatized for life after he was part of an FO that drafted Trent Dilfer- and he never touched a 1st round QB ever again. It would have been easy for DeCosta to lick his wounds from the Kyle Boller disaster and never advocate for a 1st round QB again. But instead, he got right off the mat and went for a risky, raw option like Flacco. That Flacco turned out so well is lucky, but I don’t care, because I’m impressed DeCosta had the balls to do the right thing even if it could have easily made him look bad.
I’m also very impressed with DeCosta’s OL resume. Brown, Grubbs, Gaither, and now Oher. Is there a scout/GM who has drafted more great OL over such a period of time? That big of a sample, and I doubt its luck. DeCosta seems to have an eye for OL talent.
I’m impressed. Perhaps there is a better candidate out there, but DeCosta looks like he’s be a pretty good hire.
Great write-up!
DeCosta looks like a solid candidate. I’m on board!
The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.
Great write up on DeCosta
Curious though, how does a guy who scouts for a 3-4 defense help our Tampa 2 scheme? Do you know if he’s had any experience scouting for a 4-3? Do you think he could adjust to our personnel and scheme? Of all the guys that are mentioned to be candidates, I think he’s the only 3-4 guy, no?
Part two -
If the Hawks were to hire him, you think that maybe we switch to a 3-4? We do have the linebackers, just a question of him finding the right Dline…
Fantastic.
I look forward to reading posts like this. I could read content like this daily and never get enough. Could you go ahead and profile the league’s other GMs and scouting directors…like all of them? Of course not, but I wouldn’t get bored if you did. Great stuff.
One comment that confused me is this one:
Dawan, Laron’s older brother, Landry is in his fourth consecutive season starting, and, apart from 2008, has been a very solid starter for Baltimore since his rookie season.
I thought Brian Leonard and Reed were starting together for awhile? Leonard only started in ’08?
This.
Wouldn't Gerhart be his clone???
Not that it matters.
Leonhard was a great 3rd Safety most his time there.
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by whiskey chainsaw on Dec 22, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
You're probably right.
Really it’s just the ‘four consecutive seasons starting’ that didn’t (and doesn’t) make sense the way it’s written. Landry has started 1 season (in a row!), as Leonard started in ’08.
This.
I rec'd this
I’m impressed with DeCosta’s defensive picks. He’s hit plenty of home runs there but the Flacco draft class was very impressive.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
Hard to determine since Reid has the final say
But the Eagles have had relatively good drafts sprinkled with stiffs like Jeremy Bloom and Reggie Brown.
Wonder if he had a hand in the Eagles drafting Seahawks legend Billy McMullen.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
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by Wayward Llama on Dec 25, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
Me too.
And also Lionel Vital of the Falcons. He’s worked with some good people, but I’m not sure what he’s actually done. He’s intriguing nonetheless. ATL has made some picks and acquisitions that are enviable. Ryan and Turner, for example.
This.
I feel like this is the man with the approach I talked about.
The talent infusion needed will mean several picks, not just 7 or 6 but 10 plus some good post nfl draft work. This man looks detailed
Quick note:
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It took me a while to read through, but i now understand Eric DeCosta much better
Your quality content like this is amazing.
DeCosta works under a GM and for a long time worked with a strong coach
How confident are you in giving him credit/blame for these picks?
And, like, Keim
some kind of pattern develops. Keim’s is elementary, but I see some clear trends from DeCosta.
Well then consider me a fan
I could do without the punters though.
Do you think you’ll get to Heckert at some point? I can tell these are a ton of work.
I've been wondering this, the past month or so since it seemed we had regime change.
Just gauging by my own tendencies, I have strongly speculated whether it might be more effective to have positional scouts, than using a regional taxonomy.
Certainly, with regional, you maintain a more solid grasp of context, namely in level of competition.
But what if you had a defensive line guy, offensive line guy, LB & safety guy, CB guy, QB guy, wideout guy and back guy? Maybe they can’t cover all the conferences, understandable, but is it really that hard to cover more than just a region? If I’m only looking at ends and tackles that fit what my team is doing, wouldn’t I be able to cover the west side of the nation? And then wouldn’t I have better context in level of competition relative to other prospects in the draft anyway? And if I was a specialized positional scout, wouldn’t my scouts theoretically be more detailed and knowledgeable about the full gammut of facets to a prospect? Than having a guy watch every potential prospect from a whole conference or region?
I wonder. Positional scouts, supplemented by a pair of context & perspective maintaining scouts that cover a couple macro regions and keep tabs on the few standout prospects from the non-BCS conferences that occasionally surface and tantalize, but leave so many scared because they don’t know if they’re a big fish in a little pond. I just wonder if that wouldn’t be a more effective process.
by jacobstevens on Dec 23, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
I was waiting for this one, and you delivered son!
I’ve missed the last couple podcasts, so I am looking forward to hearing your thoughts on what you would do as GM.
FYI, you have (I assume) a spelling/name error in your Darling commentary, calling him Davis I think...
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by whiskey chainsaw on Dec 22, 2009 9:01 PM PST reply actions
excellent stuff
After reading that I’d say he has successfully drafted and implemented a young, talented, and productive core on both sides of the ball. I would shit a brick if we got this guy.
What struck out to me was a large rash of injuries
and I trust your judgment that they largely seemed unforeseeable in nature. So, he’s been a bit unlucky and yet still done a good job finding good RB talent and creating a sustained, successful OL. I like that.
Wow.
I was down on DeCosta in another thread. But honestly, I didn’t do much research – mainly looked at the drafts, didn’t recognize many names, and was underwhelmed. This write definitely has me re-thinking my position.
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Thank You
For another fine, in-depth look at a potential Seattle GM. Fascinating reading so far.
Echoin' Sentiment
These GM write ups are amazing…some of the best material I’ve read on SB nation.
Much better than the “OMGZ HE DRAFTED LARRY FITZGERALD AND ANQUAN BOLDIN” stuff going around these parts (aka 710 ESPN).
This. Is. Amazing.
Well done!
DeCosta’s body of work seems a lot more favorable than Keim’s. I’m all for Seattle interviewing him. I look forward to more GM postings from you if you’re planning on them John!
Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.
Given DeCosta's propensity to draft big armed quarterbacks, what prospect do you think he'll target in 2010?
This is of course assuming he takes the GM spot and quarterback is a major priority.
Maybe Skelton?
He picked Flacco from a small east coast school, might do the same with a guy like Skelton.
If we drafted Skelton think of all the cool nicknames we'd come up with for him!

That’s his actual throwing motion.
Stop being so modest Captain Morgan!
This is great.
What stands out to me most in Decosta’s draft resume’, is not so much the ability to find high-end superstars, as it is to find great value for the draft position. You see tons of “second tier” contributors in later rounds.
Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.
Figurs wasn't a total bust...
I was big on him when he came out as well, not what we expected but, not terrible either.
He was with Tampa until this morning after they brought back Spurlock, who can blame them Michael returned their 1st ever Kick Off for a TD nearly 35 years after their 1st game in the NFL.
Not sure if its been mentioned yet, but Randy Mueller will be interviewed
That means including Webster, a total of at least 12 candidates will be interviewed. (Source)
PFT mentions that there is internal resistance to Mueller. Reason being that he already worked as a Seahawk GM.
There were several rounds of interviews.
I’m not sure how many there were, but early on there were more than four candidates.
yeah, that article throws isn't specific what they mean by "interview"
Coming from Florio, I’m not surprised. But it could be this is just the starter list. They’ll make initial contact, weed through, and then be down to 4-5 “serious” contenders.
IIRC, that’s how the M’s search went. I saw at least 10 names thrown out, but not sure how many were actual contenders, and how many were just thrown out as rumors.
"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg
Yes, it is, at least when it comes to publicly acknowledging their process and who their targets are.
Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.
by Carl Shinyama on Dec 23, 2009 8:53 PM PST up reply actions
John, I must have your opinion of Jimmy Raye
After reading this I’m sold…
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/1/5/709325/getting-to-know-a-gm-jimmy
But what kind of man would I be if I did not wait for you to do my due dilligence for me?
Wow, seems like they have a good scouting system, but raye's position actually indicates his actual job is finding talent currently in the league
Isn’t that was pro personnel guys do?
Based on the current position, yes, but the way I'm reading his career track...
He was director of college scouting for the period that involved trading out of the Vick spot for Brees AND LT2… trading Eli “My stats are worse than Jason Campbell’s but I’m a winner” Manning for Phillip Rivers AND Merriman… taking VJack in the 2nd… pretty much just demolishing the draft.
But I could be wrong. I will wait for John to tell me what to think.
by trippsixxes on Dec 23, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
The thing I like about how DeCosta comes across in this write up...
is that he gets how valuable draft picks are for pro personnel flexibility. DeCosta appears to have secured lots of young/cheap production (especially on defense). That comes with a secondary benefit of lots of competition in training camps from young/cheap players. At least on defense they’ve lost players and managed to plug in the next guy. I’m still crying about Marcus Tubbs.
Having said that, although DeCosta’s profile is the sort I favor in a GM, it is an uber labor intensive approach to roster construction. Obviously, you need really insightful scouting to find players who so consistently contribute right out of the gate. But another key is having a coaching staff in place that gets players on the field quickly. B’more seems to get its day 1 (i.e., 1st to 3rd round—I know the 3rd had moved to day 2 now) picks on the field quickly. I don’t know how unusual that is, but it seems like DeCosta’s had a great deal of success.
One side note: a mild surprise looking at his drafts is that there aren’t nearly as many “small school” prospects as I would have guessed. B’More has had some high profile picks from outside the automatic BCS qualifiers in the first 3 rounds (e.g., Zastudil, Flacco, Edge Hartwell, Pittman).
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Dcrock... the NFL has REALLY fucked up the draft now....
ONLY the first round is on Day 1. They’ve decided the draft is such a money making enterprise TV-wise that they wanted to spread it over 3 days. What they don’t realize is that ONLY day 1 catches the audience as an all-day draft extravaganza, where people turn it into a party. Now the only “party day” will be Saturday, rounds 4-7. That makes sense, huh? Rounds 4-7 are a total party. I’m like, so totally excited about 4-7 on a Saturday, everyone hanging around bbq-ing and asking, “Who the fuck is this guy?” after each pick.
Now they’re gonna have the first round on Thursday night, the 2nd/3rd round on Friday night (yeah, that’s where I’ll be, watching the 2nd round on a Friday night), and 4-7 on Saturday.
Whoever greenlighted that stupid schedule needs to be fired immediately.
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by whiskey chainsaw on Dec 23, 2009 7:43 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
hahhahaa, rec'd for
“Who the fuck is this guy?” after each pick.
Brilliant.
The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.
Sweet!
You mean we get to watch poorly edited low quality video with obnoxious hard core rap blaring in the background?
SIGN ME UP PLEASE!!!!!!
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by whiskey chainsaw on Dec 23, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
After years with Ruskell and Holmgren at the helm,
it was like “Who the fuck is this guy” IN THE FIRST ROUND.
Lawrence Jackson was definitely not on my radar
I’d known of him from USC, but was surprised. I anticipated a corner, but not Kelly Jennings. I anticipated a tackle, even Tubbs, but figured we’d go another way when Wilfork didn’t fall to us — and even wondered for a moment if we’d take Steven Jackson when he did. Couldn’t decide between Suggs and Trufant, but when Suggs was gone, fully expected Tru. Jerramy Stevens was kinda anticipated. Same with Koren, you knew it was a toss-up between him & David Terrell. I didn’t really pay attention to pre-draft, before that, only post-draft, so I dunno about Alexander & Hutch, or King.
Obviously everyone knew about Curry.
I did anticipate Spencer, after trading down, and Tatupu. Two of my favorite prospects, was incredibly excited when we got the two of them. seems the Tatupu pick took a lot of tolks by surprise.
But really, the higher in the draft you pick, the less of a surprise things tend to be. When you’re picking in the 20s each year, a good problem to have is that they could go in half a dozen different directions. Granted, you can anticipate a direction and figure, if they go end, they’ll go Calais Campbell. And then they take Jackson and you still go, “huh?” But between the frequent trading down and the later-round picks, it’s not that significant to have a handful of “who?” moments in the first round.
by jacobstevens on Dec 23, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
Ridiculous.
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by Wayward Llama on Dec 25, 2009 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
Impressive write up
Thank you.
I saw that list of candidates and was surprised not to see Doug Whaley on that list. I would think he’d merit consideration particularly given some of the names cited. Maybe that email gaffe still haunts him?
As for this comment:
…although DeCosta’s profile is the sort I favor in a GM, it is an uber labor intensive approach to roster construction. Obviously, you need really insightful scouting to find players who so consistently contribute right out of the gate. But another key is having a coaching staff in place that gets players on the field quickly. B’more seems to get its day 1 (i.e., 1st to 3rd round—I know the 3rd had moved to day 2 now) picks on the field quickly. I don’t know how unusual that is, but it seems like DeCosta’s had a great deal of success.
That’s a pretty standard approach. It takes time to build up a talent core. And for a successful GM, they generally hit on 2nd and 3rd round picks. I recall researching 2nd round OL picks over the last 5 years (2009 excluded) for the Seahawks Blue forum in order to verify a claim that Sebastian Vollmer was an atypical producer for his pick. Oddly enough the rate of OL players that started every game they suited up for picked in that range was over 80%.
Now I'm getting excited
I think my greatest fear is Webster or Mueller. I want Seattle to select someone because they’ve done something worth selecting them for, not because they have a history with the franchise or will be ‘joining’ them. What exactly will they be joining? Joining the Seahawks, sure, I hope that’s all he meant. Now that Ruskell and Holmgren are out and Mora’s shooting himself in the foot, it seems the decision to go in an entirely new direction is practically making itself. I hope they’re being as diligent as you are John (more, since it’s their full time job). Just from your brief looks at DeCosta and Keim (although having never met them thus there’s a lot we don’t know) its clear who is the better candidate. Leiweke better be looking at these same things or at the very least read this blog.
Great write up, just one idea
I assume you spend a lot of time doing research on the people in the list. Some of that research might include hilights on youtube or nfl.com etc, posting links to nice hilights of the players would be cool.
But I must stress, excellent article and a strong example of why fieldgulls is the first rss feed I check ever morning :)
Not to put words in John's mouth, but that's a pretty tall request.
Do you realize the amount of work to find workable playable decent videos of players??! There are exactly 60 players on this review alone. There are probably only 10 players who you could immediately find a decent video within a minute… 60 players with vids would probably take a good 3 extra hours. I just spent well over 5 minutes trying to find a Justin Harper vid and didn’t come up with a winner.
I’d rather he simply produce quality written material.
Obviously if he is reviewing a player and not a GM, there is a high likelihood with a single player he puts up a video. I’m not sure it is all that relevant in a thread like this one…
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by whiskey chainsaw on Dec 23, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
If you want to see a player:
Google > Search > ‘player name’. Youtube? Google > Search > ’player name youtube ’.
This.
I can do a lot of my own research
John also could have left out the links to the nfl.com pages of the players (Google > Search > ‘player name site:nfl.com’) yet he didn’t. I am just asking for John to keep urls to hi-lights he comes across as he is doing his research.
It’s far from a need, just an idea.
by GarethLewin on Dec 23, 2009 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
I know how to search for them.
I’m just saying there are a ton of “highlight reels” out there that aren’t worth seeing… sifting through them takes time, and there were a ton of players in this post.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by whiskey chainsaw on Dec 23, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe I wasn't clear
John, all I am asking is that as you are looking at the players on the lists, if you come across a url to a nice hilight, keep that url for hte report.
by GarethLewin on Dec 23, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks for the suggestion
I’ll see what I can do.
by John Morgan on Dec 23, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
If you want to get excessively thorough
it would be interesting to look at an adjacent chart of a number of available prospects from his region at each of the Ravens’ picks, that were roughly slotted there, that they didn’t pick, to see who he might have advised they not take. Particularly at the higher rounds, if there was a buzz about a prospect, and the Ravens went another way, how did the guys they elected not to pick fare?
It wouldn’t be largely telling, but if we see a handful of guys that were kind of sexy picks, that he scouted, that they passed on, that turned out to not live up to expectations, that would only supplement this compelling record here that much more.
"the big bodied, big armed (QB) profile DeCosta seems to favor is notorious for producing busts"
I’m sure this has probably been well-covered elsewhere, but what are the QB profiles that project better?
I know completion percentage & sack rate are big clues, but are there certain physical profiles that project better?
"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg
It might be a bit of a misnomer
nothing wrong with big bodied, big armed QBs, but the pint is, if that’s the profile, therein lies the danger. It’s a profile built off of physical tools, decision making, and efficiency that projects well. Stature and arm strength aren’t gravy — they’re requisite to a degree — but if they make the profile or they are what sets the prospect apart from the crowd, it makes for a dramatically low floor.
by jacobstevens on Dec 23, 2009 2:18 PM PST up reply actions

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