Open Seahawks Discussion Thread
by John Morgan on Dec 29, 2009 7:15 PM PST
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PrintThis is not exactly an all questions answered thread, but I will attempt to answer any questions directed at me. That format seems a little too monolithic and self-aggrandizing for me, but nevertheless, there's a lot going on, a lot I'd like to talk about, and I haven't been around as much I'd like, but I'm around tonight.
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Pretty open-ended question at this point and with the CBA still up in the air
but are there any potential non-QB free agents this off season you think the Seahawks should take a look at?
I was hoping Brown would be available
Julius Peppers, Marshall Yanda, Chris Kuper, Tank Tyler, but he’s a RFA, maybe on of the safeties. I would clear salary and blow Peppers away if it was at all possible.
I was never fond of how Ruskell signed replacement level talent to free agent bucks
I’d rather Seattle filled out its roster through the draft and sign a difference maker like Peppers or Seymour.
That's what I was kind of getting at.
Seemed like a Cole-like player could have been had on the cheap.
Brown is 28 and has misses 20 games in 5 season.
Not sure I’d be onboard w/ that one, esp. when there are many backs that can be had post-1st round.
This.
And while many backs can be had after the first
The best backs almost always come from the first round.
Upside for uncapped season
Ryan , Simms , Spencer and Tapp can not go FA
3-4
Is Seattle’s current personnel better suited for a 3-4 scheme?
by jeager on Dec 29, 2009 7:25 PM PST via mobile reply actions
And, if you like, assume a healthy Lofa.
by jeager on Dec 29, 2009 7:27 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I believe defense starts with pass rush
and Seattle has linebackers that can blitz. It doesn’t have to be a 3-4, that does test Seattle’s depth some, but a 3-4 is the most obvious way to get the linebackers involved in blitzing.
Mebane could play nose, I think.
He’s sort of Wilfork like. Bryant and Redding could play end, if Seattle retains Redding.
Cole could be a backup nose
but that’s less than perfect. Walker could have been a rotational end, but so much for that.
Jackson could bulk up, he has the frame and the experience
and Seattle plays him like a 3-4 end in its current defense.
It's the makings of a decent line and Seattle has the linebacker talent to rival Green Bay
I think it’s fair to say the personnel is there, if that is what Seattle wants. The problem is that Seattle will be joining a trend as it is reaching the mainstream.
It could
or teams might run a single gap 3-4 like the Cowboys do and have much of the same talent as a 4-3.
The one player that might become undervalued is the pure 4-3 defensive end.
But even those guys can become rush linebackers.
Tapp or Kerney qualify
As much as we rip Kerney, and he’s no longer a complete player, he is getting pressure on a team that puts its defense into dire situations.
Speaking of Tapp, he's a free agent after this season yes?
Should the CBA not be renewed isn’t he an RFA?
So what would our 4 linebackers look like?
Tatupu and Hawthorne in the middle, Tapp and Curry outside? OR we trade Hawthorne and put Hill in the middle and get a 3-4 outside linebacker in free agency?
by Seahawksfan23 on Dec 29, 2009 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
Sort of a Parys Haralson role.
Or Seattle could move Hill in, bench Hawthorne and have Tapp be the elephant linebacker.
Many 3-4 move around their linebacker
We know who would play and generally where and I think that’s sufficient.
I've seen "elephant linebacker" before
and still have no clue what it means. At least not compared to a normal 3-4…outside?…linebacker.
by John Edwards on Dec 29, 2009 9:13 PM PST up reply actions
Orakpo in Washington a good example I think.
and another LB not name Curry tearing it up and heading to Hawaii (not that I’m crediting Pro Bowls here, mind you).
This.
Ah-HAH!
Thanks. Now I can make my obligatory “Nick Reed for Pygmy Elephant Linebacker” poster!
by John Edwards on Dec 29, 2009 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
True
I think the appeal is that Mebane could be a really good NT, and those are rare. Kind of blunts the downside of the trend issue. Hill, Curry and Tapp, if he’s still around, could be a nasty combo of rushing OLBs. Seems a better match, in theory, in that it doesn’t require us to go out and get a Peppers type 4-3 end to generate rush. This all depends on the aforementioned OLBs adapting and excelling of course.
by jeager on Dec 29, 2009 7:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
As a sportswriter aptly commented not too long ago
“Converting from 4-3 to 3-4 can take years for /talented/ teams”
If we really want a scheme change, doesn’t that tack on a few years more to our reconstruction, and make it a real mired process?
by Thomas Beekers on Dec 29, 2009 7:45 PM PST up reply actions
Possibly with dominate anchor at NT
If we picked up 375lb slimmed down Cody from Alabama and flank him with Mebane and Tapp . LBs we have but I really do not see that dominate NT
Which 'Bane was on his way to being at the 1-tech in '08.
IMO, Mebane would be a really good fit at NT in a quicker attacking 1-gap 3-4 like what the chargers and Cowboys run. The only real question is if some combination of Bryant, Lo-Jack and Redding could handle the DE spots.
"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg
Seattle seems to be running a lot of Tampa 2 coverage schemes but the team looks to be better suited for man-to-man coverage.
Why do the coaches think the team is better suited for a Tampa-2? What do you think they see that maybe we don’t?
They are Tampa 2 coaches
They implement Tampa 2 systems. I wish I had a better answer than that, but most coaches implement the system they know regardless of the personnel.
That answer works. I think your last sentence answered it perfectly.
Coaches expect the players to adjust to there schemes, not the other way around.
Tampa 2 ... Man...
I am not sure the ’Hawks secondary matches up very well in either scheme, but at least we know for sure that they are not equipped for Tampa 2 zones.
Correct me if I am wrong but, Tampa 2 requires outstanding pressure which we do not produce, and it also requires a bit of ball hawking from the CB’s (Wilson is the only one even close and he is simply too small against the top receivers in most cases). It also requires Safeties to be assignment correct, take good angles and generally be the last line of defense (ie good tackling). Our safeties are both lacking in at least one of those two categories. Babs is often out of position and takes bad angles a lot. Grant seems to be more assignment correct and takes better angles, but his tackling is suspect (he also has looked slow to me at points this year, but that might just be a bad perception).
I doubt there's any truth to this,
but a commentor at the PI website said that the Denver draft pick trade could give us the pick they’re getting from Chicago rather than Denver’s pick. That’d be another top-15 pick. This guy full of shit?
Sounds wishful.
Didn’t just about everyone confirm we got Denver’s natural pick?
I'm pretty sure it was the Denver pick.
I remember being pissed that it might be Chicago’s and not Denver’s, funny how things change.
I think that Denver, like Green Bay, benefited a ton from switching to a 3-4
And that’s about all that has surprised me about the Broncos.
It's been reported and theoretically confirmed that Seattle has Denver's pick
but it wouldn’t be the first time something like this changes. I wouldn’t say he’s full of shit, but without a source, it’s meaningless.
I really liked a lot of Chicago's cover 1 scheme last night.
Think Seattle should start experimenting with that, given their personnell?
Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.
If Seattle sticks in a 4-3, I would prefer they move Hill if he can fetch a good pick
and replace him with Herring-Hawthorne or whoever.
Hawthorne to Safety
He had played safety before in school . Has the picks to cover and we know he can hit .
Picks are not in any way an indication of coverage skills.
For instance, Brian Russell had 9 picks in 2003.
hey john
is it ok if i post here sometimes i am asking becuase my spelling is awful and i like to taik to rival teams because i did not follow sea this year but i need to know more about them for next year
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule reseident broncos fan for ap lol
I would prefer it if you took the time to spell and punctuate
Not hitting shift is just a bad habit. You’re not disabled.
ok
i wish i was not disabled but is what it is but anyway what happed this year to u team i blame the coaching
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Coaching is part of it
Blame can be spread around. I’ve ripped on Ruskell for not selecting a quarterback, and while left tackle is not the end all be all, Seattle has not added sufficient tackle depth.
thanks
for asking my q by the way u shouild have won the 05 super bowl
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yeah u did
i was ok with what u said untall the not disabled part that was low u can say the broncos suck the yankees suck u can get on me for spelling and punctuate i know u mean well and peopie have said i am not disabled before in non football chat rooms i wished u team good luck before the season just as a sigh of respct and some of your members jumped me for being a yankees fan a broncos fan which is fine and i do not want a hero welcome every time i visit a diff site but i do want respct because i am a super football fan that likes to know about every team so no hard feelings but think befofe u act sometimes or u will scare off new members who wouild help u out
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule reseident broncos fan for ap lol
John's a good guy. I'd bet anything he honestly had no idea (failed to read your sig)
Welcome to Fieldgulls!
The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.
thanks nick
i am sure he is just a misunderstanding enjoy our 1 round pick
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We certainly will! Hope the player we choose doesn't bust.
God knows we need it. Sweet Jesus.
The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.
i wouild draft
a qb lt
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yeah
i am from arkansas so i lean toward mallett if he delard
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John had a nice breakdown of a Mallet highlight video not too long ago
He looks pretty good, I wish he was more consistent though.
u are right
i think he is jay cutler without the attutde
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I'm pulling for elite DT
and QB with the Broncos pick. Our o-line isn’t nearly as bad as advertised. It more the fact that we’ve got no teeth, no downfield threat, so teams can pin their ears back and relentlessly blitz and attack with little threat of big plays down field.
If we could keep the defense honest with a legit passing attack (read: new QB with an arm), I’d bet our o-line wouldn’t look nearly as shitty as it has this year.
The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.
well sea
has a lot of work to do they need a rb s too k
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brother, at this point,
I’d take Jay Cutler with twice the attitude.
It's Great to be a Florida Gator!
"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett
All I want for Christmas is Joe Haden, Eric Berry, and Nandamukong Suh in Seahawks blue.
by Wayward Llama on Dec 30, 2009 7:16 PM PST up reply actions
I heard Mallet was staying in school
Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.
by Carl Shinyama on Dec 31, 2009 7:39 AM PST up reply actions
Since this isn't an AQA
What does everyone think the aftermath will be of the local media not getting their GM?
I only hear things through the grapevine because I shun crappy coverage, but it does seem like the lens has been flipped on the media
and that’s always kind of fun.
I must admit that while I found TJ's behavior today to be somewhat unprofessional
a much larger part of me enjoyed hearing him make Hugh Millen squirm.
I haven't listened and am debating whether I will
What strikes me is that this group is emboldened to start calling people out. It speaks to a headless team that’s factionalizing.
I enjoyed Hugh looking silly, but the rest of the interview was kind of frightening.
There was a lot of “I love Matt, but he played really badly” being thrown about and some rather passive-aggressive swipes at Mora and the coaching staff.
I wouldn’t be surprised if TJ just punched his ticket out of Seattle today.
IMO,
TJ comes across fine but Branch had no depth to his criticism. Not one direct answer.
I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.
Considering the hyperbole Millen is fond of,
I have no issue with TJ here. But it’s a no win situation for an athlete to criticize the media.
I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.
I don't really disagree with much of what TJ said (other than the attacks on Millen's career)
but I’m not sure if it was appropriate for him to go on the radio to call out Millen and Furness in the first place.
Unfortunately, the people bothered by such criticism are not likely to change their opinion about Housh
but the people who buy into that thinking might just second-guess Millen.
He's a player's coach
that’s ok. It’s not wrong to be a player’s coach, but stop calling out your players.
I'm not sure if you're serious or not
but Mare is a fine kicker who went through some variance in a single game. He would have been fine regardless of what Mora said.
He's saying
That if you accept that Mora’s beatdown having an impact on Mare is conjecture, than it’s conjecture to ever credit a coach for a player’s improved performance.
Specious. But correct.
by Thomas Beekers on Dec 29, 2009 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
Sure
If I type something I can be given credit for typing something. If I yell at a tree and an apple falls, it’s conjecture that the two things were related.
Causation/correlation.
Mare’s a good kicker who happened to have an off game and more than likely would have rebounded anyway.
Don't get me wrong...
about the only thing I can find right with Mora is the Mare blow-up…
You can’t argue what “would have” happened had he not though.
Millen lost himself when he asked why TJ can't get open in double coverage.
I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.
Given how much Millen worships
Hasslebroken, it was good to hear.
What? No SOUL?
by mrcoffee1969 on Dec 30, 2009 5:01 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed, I thought TJ was well informed.
Branch’s whole “your either with us or against us” thing was awful.
Just listened to it
Thought it was hilarious. Someone dropped a daisy cutter in the middle of that team. Not professional, but sure satisfying when they call out my too favorite media circus clowns
I thought it was extremely telling that the receivers all felt passionate
about Hugh, defense of Mora and Hasselbeck, I took it as indirectly scathing criticism of the offense and Hass. I think their passion about it told how pissed off they are, and they were very clever not to outright blame anyone.
Well only a handful of local personalities flipped the fuck out when Holmgren bailed (and most of them were at KJR).
Right or wrong, the media seems to think that Ruskell was the NFL equivalent of Bill Bavasi. In their minds, anyone else is a step up.
I've already heard a dozen friends piss and moan over it.
Most of them are at least semi-knowledgable. I keep asking why the hell we should hire him without even looking at other candidates and they can’t answer that.
What bewilders me
Is how the media not only flipped out but just about made it seem as if Holmgren would guarantee them success because it worked in the past.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
Readership being wrong is better than being right
If a reporters words on Saturday are always right on Sunday we would have no words on Monday .
Objective is to sound intelligent but create the most buzz.
Really there was an odd divide between the media (at least the radio media)
The KJR folks were foaming at the mouth for Holmgren, but the staff over at the newer 710ESPN ranged from indifferent to staunchly opposed to him returning.
As far as the writers go, Sando was more impartial, O’Neil didn’t seem to have much of an opinion either way, and Williams seemed to be slightly in favor of the walrus coming back.
And that's how things are usually decided
Everyone is carving up the audience and looking for the greatest share. Holmgren returning became a popular idea and so some latched onto it.
Holmgren was the best thing to happen to a press conference in Seattle since George Karl
That’s why the media wanted him.
"Everyone is carving up the audience and looking for the greatest share."
It’s scary.
And kind of interesting seeing it happen as it happens.
by B.B.Finnegan on Dec 29, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions
If I had to wager a guess, KJR's new target of attack is going to be Tod Lieweke.
Someone has to pay for Holmgren getting away.
I have no opinion of Leiweke
So, I don’t know. This is something that haunts me though: Paul Allen is a pretty lousy business man.
What, the EMP was a fantastic business move.
Just wonderful.
Billionairres
Have typically made a few right decisions.
by somethingwitty on Dec 29, 2009 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
Or one really lucky one.
"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg
I think Leiweke's a good hire.
I feel a lot better about the decision being in his hands rather than Allen’s or a meddler like Whitsett was.
He has a track record of hiring good GMs and then staying the F out of the way while they handle the on-field product. He helped the Wild get into the NHL playoffs after just their 3rd year as a team. Erased the Jail Blazer mess in Portland and hired McMillan & Pritchard to re-build that franchise. And the Sounders FC first season went off pretty well.
About the only black mark on his record so far is Ruskell. But at the time that looked like a good hire. And I’ve never heard any indication that Leiweke has tried to meddle in any personnel decisions or tie Ruskells hands in any way. Seems like he gave him free reign .
I get the impression that Leiweke is a results-driven guy that knows winning ultimately makes his job a lot easier by keeping butts in the seats, but he’s smart enough to realize he needs to leave the “sports” side of things in the hands of the GM.
"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg
What is Lieweke's role?
Bus Ops? He keeps the stadium full, the money flowing, the players paid, and the fans involved…doubt he’s making player decisions. I see no problem with him unless he’s making talent decisions. I get the distinct impression he stays out of those discussions.
And if the management of the Sounders roll-out is any indication
he’s a top marketing and business talent they will want if times get tighter ($$$) in the NFL
The Seahawks have to be one of the better run franchises from a business perspective
ignoring on field talent.
I don't want to be Dan Snyder's Redskins
Good management usually allows for an environment of long-term success. Its more than bucks. Its the relationship they have to fans, the type of players they attract, and the type of football environment they create. We spend so much money on them they owe us something too. I refuse to root for an Art Modell or Dan Snyder.
Marketing and business development
For the Seahawks, Sounders, and formerly Trailblazers. Yes, he’s that good.
And no, he does not make any football decisions, he hires a GM and Pres of Football Ops for that.
"Football players are temperamental. That's 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental." - Doug Plank
He first came up with the Vancouver Canucks in the 90s. They were in a bad spot and pretty close to leaving town (If you can imagine that now). He had nothing to do with personnel decisions and hockey ops. Rather, he focused on the business-side of things and helped turn that franchise around, too. Many here in Vancouver still speak really highly of him.
Gun to my head, I'd say Lieweke isn't a problem.
It doesn’t seem like he meddles like Chuck Armstrong and Howard Lincoln used to with the Mariners. Given his recent work with the Sounders, it appears that he’s capable of finding sports-savvy people to run the on-field aspects of an organization while he focuses on the business and marketing.
John do you think trading Housh for Tashard Choice (maybe a draft pick)
Is a feasible idea?
I mentioned this in the MNF thread after seeing Roy Williams suck ass again.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
I don't know.
Not to shoot it down, but I hope Seattle targets Choice, I hope Seattle targets any number of misfit players lost on other teams, but I don’t know what it would take to get them.
And how then would Dallas afford to keep Austin,
while also being somewhat crippled by the Roy Williams contract?
This.
Sort of a case where it's only if he wants out.
Forgot to mention that.
For as long as he doesn’t want out I think he has to stay.
I’m interested in Choice but figured I may be overvaluing him.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
You may be (overvaluing him).
We should be able to secure comparable RB talent easily through the draft. The same way they found Choice. A new GM might help us do that (for a change).
This.
Isn't TJ what we thought he was?
A good possession receiver who isn’t going to stretch the field, but who has good hands and can be physical
I like how he actually cares even if he comes across a little obnoxious at times
He’s not like Ocho who is about himself. Housh wants to win and see the ?Team play at the top of their game
I think he is incredibly frustrated playing with Matt Hasselbeck.
About any receiver would be. It doesn’t help that Hasselbeck is free of criticism.
TJ has a couple things to work on
He needs to improve that dominate jump ball on the endzone fade . The other is getting better at catching balls above nose level . Tipping ball up in the air and catching it looks spectacular in practice but in the game the secondary can unload on you after first touch . I think he is 15% on all passes thrown nose high or higher .
It is to the point a short DB can easily defend him .
I don't know about a 3-4
You’d have to retool an already talentless line save for Mebane and tapp. You’re talking 5 guys aren’t you?
by Joshua Kasparek on Dec 29, 2009 8:14 PM PST reply actions
I excluded Mebane and Tapp from talentless, but you can't sell me that we have proven atheletes that can play the 3-4 outside those two.
by Joshua Kasparek on Dec 29, 2009 8:20 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not selling you on anything.
The line has talent. Lawrence Jackson has talent, a lot of it, and has played pretty well this season. Red Bryant has talent. Redding has talent if Seattle wants to keep him.
I was just thinking about redding after I posted. He's pretty forgettable sometimes, but he's had a good second half.
by Joshua Kasparek on Dec 29, 2009 8:30 PM PST up reply actions
I think Redding is a perfect 3-4 DE
but I question how well our other D linemen fit in a 3-4
"Football players are temperamental. That's 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental." - Doug Plank
I was wondering what you thought of Noel Devine, Joe McKnight, and Demarco Murray
They seem like they would be a good athletic compliment to Forsett and at least one should be there in the fourth or fifth.
Hmmmm
There was a time when I would have agreed but with the emergence of guys like Toby Gerhart, Anthony Dixon, and Mathews I think at least one should be there at the start of the 4th. Whether he falls to our pick though is questionable.
by Hawkhammer19 on Dec 29, 2009 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
It just seems like a good opportunity
to get athleticism without sacrificing a high draft choice.
by Hawkhammer19 on Dec 29, 2009 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
Ok thanks
Just looking for another opinion outside of the foolish mock drafts.
by Hawkhammer19 on Dec 29, 2009 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
I like Murray quite a bit. He's been a bit injury-prone.
Could become a Ricky Watters type back. Great receiving skills for a RB, which I like.
This.
I stood up and called out an entire section for booing Ricky...
I never said a peep for SA.
Love me some Ricky
He looks to have a great first step
which would do wonders for our zone blocking scheme.
by Hawkhammer19 on Dec 29, 2009 8:33 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
If a great left tackle can be had in the draft, it’s an important position and worth spending resources on, but recently the best left tackle is a shoe in to be drafted in the top ten, and that’s foolish.
It seems like we could get great value
at LT with the Denver pick if Okung is gone and Campbell doesn’t show up at the combine.
by Hawkhammer19 on Dec 29, 2009 8:22 PM PST up reply actions
Does the CBA being in the air and possibly undone leave Seatle with more options than just cap dumping?
I would like to know all the ins and outs and what I should hope for as a fan.
by Joshua Kasparek on Dec 29, 2009 8:25 PM PST reply actions
First thing is to get a general manager and then all else will follow
Seattle doesn’t need to rebuild like it won’t win again in five seasons, but that’s dependent on who takes over.
CBA solution ...Fixed contracts draft day
All draftees get 3 year contracts with RFA on 4th
All draftees get $10k per draft value point as guaranteed signing bonus
All draftees get avg STARTING ( non- rookie )salary for position drafted minus 10% per round selected
If avg starting non-rookie LT makes $2M annual and we pick LT at #7 he gets
$15M signing bonus , 3 yr contract at $1.8M a year ( $6.8M annual avg )
If we take a LT at the #39 pick then
$5M signing bonus , 3 yr contract at $1.6M a year ($3.2M annual avg )
Or if we select a LT with 199th pick
$128K signing bonus , 3 yr contract at $600K a year ( $647K annual avg )
PS Contracts not guaranteed so atleast 7th rounders gets something for being drafted
No more hold outs or contract disputes
You should take a close look at Derrick Morgan
I’ve been a fan all year but he’s been really flying up the mocks lately. He should be there come our pick and could definitely fill the Kerney void. With DEs usually taking a year or two to develop it would be good to fill out that position now if we don’t get Peppers. Although I agree that we should do everything we can to get him.
The defending of Hasselbeck has gotten even worse with the last two games
What would be your counterargument to the following:
1.) The receivers aren’t getting any separation.
2.) The line is only giving him 1.5 seconds to throw and he has to rush his throws.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
Maybe follow up is needed
I would challenge those that cite everything else around Hasselbeck to answer, what is more likely, an entire offense, including players that were successful last year, suddenly collapses, or that an often injured quarterback, 34, that seemingly cannot throw a deep or mid-range pass, is just not very good.
I'm still flabbergasted how someone regresses so significantly in 1-2 seasons
His downfall has been unreal.
He was lost Jones on the blindside
And that was helping him fool us into thinking he was a bit better than he is.
by A'Seahawks_Warriors on Dec 29, 2009 8:44 PM PST up reply actions
Again, this is not how regression works.
He is suffering the effects or several pretty big injuries that have sapped him of his arm strength.
Yep
Arm strength is part of why Hasselbeck fell to the sixth round. It’s not wonder that he loses some and it ends his career.
He's also playing stupid though.
His decision making has been particularly suspect since the first game. Its one thing to have a broken body and another to make poor decisions with that body
It's not like he has suddenly lost one the ability to read a defense or make decisions.
He has to at least try to get a first down once in a while.
Decision making is probably the most elusive ability of a quarterback
one throwers good decision is another’s interception. Hasselbeck is hard pressed to make any good decisions.
Decision making..
That’s a great point. Since Matt can’t throw most passes right now and isn’t going to outrun anyone what good decision can he make?
Time to give the guy a break, as much as I can’t stand Seneca, at least he has the physical tools (at this point in time) to afford him the opportunity to make the right decision. Whether or not he actually does is another matter entirely.
I think he's scared to get hit anymore because of all the injuries
And is making more poor decisions with the ball.
by A'Seahawks_Warriors on Dec 29, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions
Matt is off and first to admit it
But no way get rid of him . Those are just blamers and whiners who always believe the grass is greener elsewhere . I think Zorn back at QB would help alot and mentally feeling safe behind your O-line . Also having that ’ go to ’ guy like Engram or Burleson was becoming . I have been thinking the change of systems and having broken ribs are just more drag on getting his head right .
That being said , put Teel in for the final game of the year and let Matt heal . Let him get evaluated in the pre-preseason game . Matter of fact put Butler in at #1 WR spot so he gets more looks ( and familar with Teel ) and Seneca at the #3 WR spot and see him run routes a bit more regular for this final pre-preseason game .
You're a silly person.
When you’re in a QB crisis, you don’t put one at WR.
by DrunkAmerican on Dec 31, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
For all his faults...
Do you think ruskell was one of the best when it came to managing the payroll and salary cap? Looking at some of Sando’s posts it amazes me we aren’t as screwed as I expected on our aging players. He didn’t leave us or a new GM completely screwed.
He was a mostly good GM with some big faults.
If it’s not disassembled, this is still a young, talented defense and he assembled it efficiently without the best resources.
I remember John saying this at one point and it stuck with me.
Ruskell was penny-wise and pound-foolish. He was shrewd in a lot of areas but then did things like sign Colin Cole.
This is following up my comment about Devine, McKnight, and Murray.
A lot of people want a top RB but I’ve started to shy away from using such a high pick for one. Here’s my reasoning: Forsett is such a unique back that he can be complimented by almost any skill set. Thus, I’d support waiting until the fourth and taking whoever slips further than they should.
I could see that, though I favor Forsett being strictly a compliment to a talented, feature back starter.
Forsett’s role would be bigger if we waited and snagged a Anthony Dixon type, but I still am intrigued by Ryan Mattews and of course Spiller, Dwyer, and possibly Best.
This.
Forsett isn't very unique and I wouldn't bank on his future.
Players like Forsett are in every draft: Chester Taylor, Mewelde Moore, Ryan Moats, etc. Further, he’s a power back in a scat back’s body that hasn’t much speed. I don’t mind selecting a running back early, I just don’t agree with resigning them.
"he’s a power back in a scat back’s body that hasn’t much speed."
That isn’t unique? There are always backs who are undervalued for this reason or the other but I can’t think of any backs quite like J-Force. It just seems like he can be complimented by a wide variety of skill sets which would support not drafting anyone who isn’t a steal IMO.
by Hawkhammer19 on Dec 29, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
But can't Forsett's value
be in the flexibility we have finding his compliment. All I’m saying is Forsett gives us good reason to not accept anything but a steal at the RB position in the draft.
by Hawkhammer19 on Dec 29, 2009 9:04 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed
but the back needed to compliment him can possess any number of different attributes. To me that makes Forsett uniquely valuable.
We can get great value from any number of different backs. Thus supporting a “wait and see who falls” approach to the position.
by Hawkhammer19 on Dec 29, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not opposed to drafting an RB early
I’m opposed to drafting an RB early who isn’t the best player on the board at a position we could use.
by Hawkhammer19 on Dec 29, 2009 9:22 PM PST up reply actions
Sure
But I think your theory that Forsett allows Seattle draft about any kind of back is…well…not something I agree with. Seattle shouldn’t consider the kind of player they need to complete Justin Forsett. They should just draft the best player period.
"Seattle shouldn’t consider the kind of player they need to complete Justin Forsett."
That’s exactly what I’m saying. There’s very little need to consider the type of back. What matters is the quality of back.
I think we might be suffering from a minor lack of understanding.
by Hawkhammer19 on Dec 29, 2009 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
Would you compliment Brandon Jacobs with Toby Gerhart?
I think a back like Ryan Mathews could definitely compliment Julius Jones but I don’t think it would be great value. We CAN get great value from almost any type of back complimenting Forsett and that makes Forsett uniquely valuable.
by Hawkhammer19 on Dec 29, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
So you're saying finding a true compliment for a back as common as Forsett is not worth compromising talent
but wouldn’t it be nice to get both. I think that’s uniquely possible with Forsett.
by Hawkhammer19 on Dec 29, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
Hmmmmm
change from what? change our approach if it was just Julius Jones we had?
I guess I disagree. I think Forsett could be half of a a stable, or at least a large portion. A stud like Spiller would be nice but I don’t think it’s necessary with Forsett. A good 4th rounder would be good enough for the time being if it meant better players from our earlier picks.
by Hawkhammer19 on Dec 29, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
I can see what you are saying, but I think Forsett should be the back doing the complimenting.
He is a complimentary style of back. The strategy of drafting a later-round back so that Forsett would have a bigger role or even a ‘lead back’ role is interesting. And though I agree that we might just find a starting RB in the later rounds (Dixon, Andre Anderson, someone else) and use earlier picks for other areas, I think we need to add elite talent to this team. We don’t have players that opposing teams have to game-plan for or fear. We need Chris Johnson like dynamite on offense and I wouldn’t rule out an early pick to accomplish that.
This.
I want to see Aaron Curry on the blitz more often
He has the speed to get there (see: Cutler, Garrard) and it kills me when he’s blowing it in pass coverage.
Anyone else have an opinion on this?
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Can Spencer reinvent himself as guard if the Organization likes him in that role? He had a nice game there.
Sean Locklear also said after the Unger switch on the hawks thursday roundtable that there was a ton more talking and alertness as Chris helped Unger and Robbie once talked about Chris Gray doing that for him as they spent more time together. Lock Also said they seemed better able as a line to pick up all the right guys.
Does this mean anything to you?
by Joshua Kasparek on Dec 29, 2009 8:40 PM PST reply actions
No
Especially considering the fact that line hasn’t played particularly well the last two games. This is spin on a still moronic decision.
So you think Lock was spinning this?
by Joshua Kasparek on Dec 29, 2009 8:46 PM PST up reply actions
It's not Sean Locklear's job to give an honest assessment of the team
I don’t think he lied, but I also don’t think what he says matters much.
Locklear probabaly knows a LT is everyones push for draft
Could be a understandable bias
I have a question:
Have any players come out and publicly backed Mora and/or his coaching staff? With all the talk about ‘Mora may have lost this team’, etc., I wonder if they are just letting him drown or is it less usual these days for players to do that. Obviously, the play of the field can speak loudly. Teams like the Titans and Browns have played their butts off. I’m not sure our players have responded with that type of effort. Same might be said of Tom Cable’s Raiders.
This.
That was nice, obviously and I don't like Milloy is awful, either.
But it makes sense why Milloy would defend Mora.
I'm officially opening the Monday Night "Who Should Start At QB" post
My vote… a curveball… as I"ve been pushing for JCam long before the steam built for him…
Tarvaris Jackson.
Seneca showed us what a mobile-QB-led Hawks team would look like… and TJack looked pretty good in camp as well as his last couple of games. Good enough to warrant considering benching the Logo.
You mean they haven’t put Favre on the logo yet? My mistake.
Next game: Teel.
Next year: Bradford.
This.
by Misfit74 on Dec 29, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I wanted Hass to start next year with Locker in the fold...
Not because I’m a Locker homer, but because I think the deep ball has been undervalued in this town for a long time… and the patchwork line has “mobile-QB” written all over it.
That being said… I don’t see any options in FA, save for TJack… just a stopgap, mind you… and I DON’T want a rookie Big 12 spread option QB.
I’m at a loss for answers for next year… that’s why I wanted to start the dialogue.
Locker is still raw and would get creamed in the NFL
He needs another year with actual talent.
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I would take the Big Tent approach and let someone shake out
I don’t understand why more teams don’t sign/draft six quarterbacks and figure out who’s best.
and if Teel is really that bad
Cut him and sign someone else
It isn't that simple, though.
You can’t just cut every quarterback who isn’t capable of starting right now.
No I mean if he's so bad its not worth checking him out gametime (as Mora says)
when your season is over and your start is Gumbi, then he shouldn’t be Roster worthy and can sit on the practice squad.
Mora hasn't said Teel is bad.
He’s said that putting in the backup QB is tantamount to quitting on the season and that he won’t quit on the season.
See I think that whole argument (him not you is bunk)
Fact: Hass is not the same
If its all because of injuries let him rest, there is nothing to gain. If he really sucks his performance is basically bench worthy. You should try something different.
The definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. A good leader would mix things up when the downside (risk) is minimal and see how the parts could work better. Only in the NFL would a crappy QB keep his job because it means we’re quitting. In every other sport not trying something different would be quitting
I think the objection is that approach requires a lot of draft picks and signees
without much more of a guarantee that any will pan out.
by Hawkhammer19 on Dec 29, 2009 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
So John... if you're really advocating the Big Tent Approach...
That would probably mean no 1st round QB’s right?
Can’t afford to pay a guy 20-30 mil to get benched/cut.
That's an interesting point.
Look at guys like Lacey and Powers for Indy. Two rookie starters and the secondary is not terrible.
This.
They are protecting a lead and have Peyton Manning playing the other side of the ball
It’s amazingly easy to play DB when you’re up two scores and promising to be two more.
by John Morgan on Dec 29, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Was Indy really protecting the lead that much this year?
Admittedly Colts have had some blowouts, but they’ve had some come-from-behind victories as well.
by Thomas Beekers on Dec 29, 2009 8:57 PM PST up reply actions
They need to get a bigger DB even as a back-up over Jennings.
If we’re going to have a crappy backup at least let him be tall enough to have the ball hit him in the back of the head when its the wrong direction
What happened to Lucas by the way.
Haven’t seen him past few games. Is he hurt?
I thought he looked pretty good for the most part
I only centered on him a few games, but he looked like he was working the zone and covering well.
Why don't we try him at safety?
He seems like he could do well at the safety position.
by Seahawksfan23 on Dec 29, 2009 9:56 PM PST up reply actions
I think maybe
But after this season, he wants out I’m sure. He must be pissed that he signed a discount contract to join this.
Trufant looks bulky and his once great pop of his hips is gone. He's not the same agile man.
by Joshua Kasparek on Dec 29, 2009 8:53 PM PST reply actions
Christmas is actually aligned with pre-Christian Pagan holidays (Mithras?)
that were celebrated across much of the Roman empire and I think were connected to the Winter Solstice (but its been awhile)
And Easter got the shaft
which I find endlessly funny, because Easter is essentially the origin of the Christian religion. It’s the birth of the holy covenant and it’s celebrated with pastel plastic grass.
My family actually celebrates Easter with more "gusto" than Christmas
just because of this
The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.
He's fine
He’s struggling some, getting caught some now that he has a bad reputation for PI, and is probably still a little injured.
If Nate B. comes back better from the knee. Will seattle be better set at reciever do you think?
Housh
Nate
Butler
Obo
Should we grab a young guy?
by Joshua Kasparek on Dec 29, 2009 8:58 PM PST reply actions
Nate B:
Nate Burleson (ankle) will not play in Week 17, Seahawks coach Jim Mora confirmed on Monday.
Burleson was Seattle’s best wideout all year, racking up 63 catches for 812 yards and three TDs before missing the final three games with a high ankle sprain. He should be 100% by OTAs. Burleson has a voidable year on his contract for 2010, however, so his status with the Seahawks is uncertain. If the year hasn’t voided, he’ll play for a $3.25 million salary in 2010.
This.
I think he's gone
But since when was he our best receiver? Maybe the first few weeks but that’s it.
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based on that John. Young guy? Say, Dez Bryant?
by Joshua Kasparek on Dec 29, 2009 9:06 PM PST up reply actions
Undersized unproven consistentcy with a 4.5 at best 40 time?
pffft.
by Joshua Kasparek on Dec 29, 2009 9:07 PM PST up reply actions
I liked watching him the few minutes I did.
But I’m with you. Shiny and new, yes. Special? Sure. The next DeSean Jackson? Not a chance.
This.
This is not a great receiving class by any stretch of the imagination
But I’ve liked what I’ve seen from Tate.
I don’t care about 40 times. Don’t we already know about Boldin?
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The slow WR I like is Dez Bryant.
He could be special w/out being exceptionally fast. I’m less sure of most of the others.
This.
It will be fun, like every year,
to see WRs stock rise and plummet based on the 40 at the combine.
I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.
I get particularly caught up in that at times.
Esp. w/ running backs. But, I’ve watched Bryant play and he looked good. I don’t know enough to know for sure.
This.
I actually like Burleson
Because of his YAC ability but he is showing exactly why he’s never been anything other than a #3 or #4 WR in Minnesota.
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I can see him leaving after '10,
but I’d be amazed if he wasn’t a Seahawks next season, despite the shortcomings.
I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.
I know misfit, but his cuts and his overall speed looked hampered all year
despite his stats anyone could see he wasn’t the same guy at the start of the year, but he got better and better. His ankle doesn’t worry me at all.
by Joshua Kasparek on Dec 29, 2009 9:04 PM PST reply actions
Only parts of the thread are in itallics. But it's weird.
A couple whole subthreads are in full italics, other spots its only part of a subthread that’s in italics.
I was gone for a bit and scrolled up to re read previous posts,
thought we were doing something new.
I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.
Would any one agree
that with a top 8 FS safety, and an effective pass rush the CBs can pretty much be guys off the street? I think that the Seahawks draft priority should be safety, tackle, WR, then DBs with size. Is that irrational?
erutangis
Tatonka?!? TAKONKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
Safety is the least of our problems.
The offense is in need of near overhaul while the defense really needs a pass-rush that resembles a professional football team.
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Exactly.
With no pass rush, even elite talent in the secondary will struggle.
I’d make it a priority to attain a top DT, either through draft (aim for McCoy with our first pick) or through FA / trade (Dockett, anyone?!).
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You know what, I should know this stuff if I'm going to talk to John Morgan like I'm not a complete ass.
by Joshua Kasparek on Dec 29, 2009 9:21 PM PST reply actions
I'm looking at the O-line FAs
I think Seattle would be wise to try and grab someone like Logan Mankins or Marcus McNeill if they are available.
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Any reason why?
Admittedly he hasn’t played extremely well this year, to be fair.
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I'm fine with Mankins but wouldn't overspend
Offensive linemen are credited when an offense excels and debited when it fails. I think a smart GM could find tons of value by signing OL from bad teams.
What will the likely timetable be using past decisions to know how quickly a GM choice is made?
Is this Search firm well respected in the league, what’s it’s history doing legwork on this kind of position?
by Joshua Kasparek on Dec 29, 2009 9:25 PM PST reply actions
Not any time soon
Probably soon after the playoffs are done (since we can’t interview a fair amount of candidates until then)
The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.
So, Spencer
Do you think they’ll keep him? And if he’s not going to get to play center, is there any good reason to do so?
I imagine most have a GM they like from "the list",
I like Tom Heckert, your thoughts on him…
I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.
I'll try and do a Heckert post eventually
I’ve been caught attempting to find a room in Seattle and that must be done very soon. After that, things should resume at a normal rate.
Anyone read this yet?
http://www.seahawkaddicts.com/2009-articles/december/thoughts-on-the-blow-up.html#comments
I only post this because everyone has differing opinions, but I wouldn’t call Housh “worthless”.
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I'd rather be face raped by a grizzly bear than read a bullet point article where Fail is used as puncuation.
by Joshua Kasparek on Dec 29, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
Housh =/= "untalented."
That article is a great example of why I no longer read their stuff. The comments are even worse.
People actually comment on their articles
half the time I only see “0” comments
Comparing Ruskell to Bernie Madoff is a great way for me to take your opinion seriously.
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?
That is the first SA article I've ever read. It will also be the last SA article I will ever read.
My brain hurts now.
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?
I think Clausen is solid and Bradford risky
I wouldn’t mind drafting Clausen if he fell to wherever Seattle drafted, but I would be very surprised if he wasn’t selected in the top five.
A few moments in Bradford's career keep playing in my head
moments I was ambivalent about Bradford, but worry me now.
I think
Both QB’s are risky, but I think Clausen is the riskier. He got in a bar fight (receiving a black eye) in south bend after losing to Connecticut. Supposedly he’s not a model leader or team mate either. Clausen struggled to a 6-6 record despite playing a schedule so easy that most sports analysts pegged the team to win 10 or 11 games before the season. From what I’ve read, Clausen isn’t a real 6’3" either and his delivery is often sidearm, a big red flag for me. Finally, he throws a lot of bubble screens and isn’t terribly good at passing down field.
The positives for Clausen are that he was a former #1 high school prospect (like Stafford), and that he was decent in a pro-style offense.
Both prospects are underclassmen, which makes them substantially riskier too.
I haven’t scrutinized Bradford as much, but he looks more natural. My worry about Bradford was that his anonymous backup looked 95% as good in that offense. While Bradford is certainly awesome, you have to wonder how much of that is him and how much of that is the offense he’s playing in. I’m not worried about his shoulder all that much, but it definitely increases his risk. Spread offense QB’s and QB’s from Oklahoma haven’t exactly flourished in the NFL, but I’d give Bradford the edge because of his accuracy, leadership, and toughness. I’ll probably watch some games of him later on, but from what I’ve seen so far, he looks like a future franchise QB if he can manage to adapt.
It wasn't a fight, Clausen got sucker punched after having dinner with his family.
Notre Dame wasn’t losing because of Clausen. They went 0-4 in the last 4 games with Clausen completing 117 of 168 passes and throwing for 1404 yards, 10 touch downs and 2 picks. The defense allowed 6 one hundred yard rushers in those four games with Gerhart going for over 200 yards.
Good points
The incident happened at 2am at a bar. Words were exchanged, and Clausen’s party left. Clausen went back in because his GF left her purse, and that’s when the punch happened. To Clausen’s credit, he walked away and didn’t retaliate.
I wouldn't say Landry Jones looks 95 percent of Bradford
If you compare their stats alone, Bradford’s are much better. Ten percent better completion percentage, two more YPA. That’s a huge difference.
I agree with many other things you’re saying, including concerns about him, but he is certainly heads above any Oklahoma QB in recent times.
by B.B.Finnegan on Dec 31, 2009 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
Do you think his injuries are a concern?
by B.B.Finnegan on Dec 29, 2009 9:59 PM PST up reply actions
I think his pocket awareness is a huge concern
and the fact that we have no idea how he’ll play without a five-star offense around him.
by John Morgan on Dec 29, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
I'm getting a little enamored with Clausen
He excelled running Charlie Weis’ offense while playing from behind without much of a running game or offensive line.
What about Troy Smith's recent verbage? Did that perk your ears? Do you think he can succeed?
by Joshua Kasparek on Dec 29, 2009 9:38 PM PST reply actions
To be a little bit fun
What was the best moment of the season? It can be a play, an entire game (Jacksonville), or something stupid Dick Stockton said.
My best moment of the season was watching Nick Reed return the Garrard fumble for a touchdown. Jacksonville isn’t any good and they’re showing it against decent teams but it was so nice to see the defense play their hearts out. It was also the last time the offense didn’t suck.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
Beating the 49ers. Which has almost become sweeter as we've gotten worse.
by MFAN on Dec 29, 2009 9:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the team treated that game as their Super Bowl in a way.
Last division against a team that’s gotten the better of them at times. Seattle has looked liked total shit since that win.
Rec'd
Because that was a fucking sweet victory. Fuck the fucking niners.
The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.
Yes yes yes.
Best game of the year for me.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 30, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
That whole game was fun
The first game of the season was a hoot too, because then it felt like it mattered.
I liked the Rams game
But after the 1st quarter.
It’s funny (not really) how that 1st quarter set the tone for the whole season when it came to first quarters. Hasselbeck throws two INTs and Burleson fumbles. Any other team rips us apart that day but because it was the Rams…we kicked ass.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
And a reasonably healthy offensive line
With Julius Jones running for 62.
Man I loved that run.
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Let's not forget about the Jax game
That was definitely the best game this year besides the San Fran game.
by Seahawksfan23 on Dec 29, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
I was there. I always seem to pick the best games to go to
during shitty seasons.
Last year: Rams, Jets, Eagles
This year: Rams, Jacksonville
Out of the 5 games, we lost 1. lol.
The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.
and in that 1 loss
you witnessed the longest pass play in Seattle Seahawks history!
by Hancock.Brett on Dec 30, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
That was awesome.
Forsett’s first TD for me was cool. Beautiful run over the right side, and so well deserved.
I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.
Only if we had actually won
That still remains the most pissed off at Seneca I’ve ever been.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
Reason number 10004 Mora sucks
Chicago was flummoxed by it, or so it seemed. Won’t be “wearing that jersey again because we lost wearing it”…..ummm think we’d have to retire every jersey then
Still sad I got no Curry lime green jersey for Christmas.
Might have to wait for a Seattle Spiller one. :)
This.
Its so versitile
Crosswalk crossing guard, traffic cop, construction worker….they all can use it over those vests they weat. Its a great economic decision.
by illwillbli on Dec 29, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I liked it, but the fact that we needed that to hold of the Lions was a bit depressing.
Still a fun play.
And as logic dictates, that must mean it will work against the rest of the league
NO ONE WILL NOTICE!!!
MORA IS A GENIUS!
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
I liked when Mora said what the heck, because even if I hate him as I coach. He's totally likeable as a person
by Joshua Kasparek on Dec 29, 2009 9:54 PM PST up reply actions
Interesting, I'm almost the opposite.
I’m sort of indifferent on him as a coach, but he seems like kind of an ass as a person.
Sean Locklear, was he ever really a good run blocker?
I seemed to notice him struggle more after Stevens left and then moving him to left tackle just seemed to make him out as not even a serviceable player at times.
by Joshua Kasparek on Dec 29, 2009 9:47 PM PST reply actions
Thanks for sticking around for this thread
Makes it easier to handle the current problems when we spend time like this thinking about the future
Yeah, I love this kind of stuff
And my wife just called and is getting a ride, so I guess I’m off the hook.
by John Morgan on Dec 29, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
Who is your Seahawks offensive player of the year?
I’d have to go with…
Honestly I have no clue. Maybe Rob Sims since he has played well.
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Based on? His all-around skills maybe?
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by SSreporters on Dec 29, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
Sure
I rather like the suggestion just because it’s reasonable and that’s got to blow the brains of some out there.
by John Morgan on Dec 29, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
You'd get kicked off every radio and TV show for saying that.
Then they’d sit back and go “oh….maybe he had a point.”
Maybe he should
Like a goal line fullback.
by John Morgan on Dec 29, 2009 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
I've mentioned before dreams of Darryl Tapp at fullback
Mebane would just solidify his legacy by scoring fullback touchdowns.
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by SSreporters on Dec 29, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions
Brandon the Kegorator Mebane
Couldn’t hurt
by trippsixxes on Dec 29, 2009 11:16 PM PST up reply actions
No one on the offense is having a really good year.
Jones has had some good games, good blocker and is a good receiver. I’d go with Jones, Sims or hell even Griffith.
Griffith based on his offensive ability
Hasselbeck has made him a star receiving threat for 1-4 yard gains.
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by SSreporters on Dec 29, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
Offensive rookie of the year?
Percy Harvin disagrees.
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by SSreporters on Dec 29, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
I wanted to disagree
But who else is there? Curry, Butler, Teel, Reed….Like Reed but cant really make the argument for him
By then he'll have already won his 9th MVP award.
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by SSreporters on Dec 29, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
Well, Reed was part time but at least he did some good
Unger has proven his potential, but he’s been pretty damn bad at points. Chris Gray like, even.
by John Morgan on Dec 29, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
He hasn't played well, but none of the rookies really have.
Maybe I’ll go with Teel since he hasn’t messed up yet.
Overall impact I'd agree
Relative to expectations I’d go with Reed
I think Seattle is in a position like the 1-15 Dolphins
It will look like a much better team next year if it can somehow secure a talented quarterback.
And if the Dolphins are any example
the replacement QB doesn’t have to be that much better
I called Chris Warren, he's a post 30 runningback who formerly played for this team
If we want to exactly mirror the dolphins.
by Joshua Kasparek on Dec 29, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
Just better than Trent Green, Cleo Lemon and John Beck
by John Morgan on Dec 29, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
A Henne 2nd round would be great. Then, we could already have Spiller on the roster.
Or Suh, or McCoy, or Berry, or….etc.
This.
And a MUCH MUCH better head coach
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by SSreporters on Dec 29, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
Random Seahawks fun fact scenario
Had we won these last 3 games that would mean a win against the Titans and a Packers loss at Arizona (and I think a Giants loss at Minnesota) would have gotten us the final wild card spot.
Would’ve been something special…..in time to lose 55-10 in the first round.
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Even funner fact
3 of our 5 wins saw us score a defensive touchdown.
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by SSreporters on Dec 29, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
Good night
I’m going to go play in the snow with my wife.
by John Morgan on Dec 29, 2009 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
Snow? Where the heck are you? In the mountains?
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by SSreporters on Dec 29, 2009 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
He's in Portland. There is lots of snow in Vancouver right now, too.
At least 3 inches on the ground.
This.
Bah, you had me looking out of my BC window
Last year this time it was all snowy in Vancouver, BC, too bad it’s not today.
by GarethLewin on Dec 29, 2009 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
Looks like I was a bit late to the party, but here goes.
Are we absolutely 100% sure that Mora’s not coming back next year? I never hear his name come up in any of the “coaches on the hot seat” discussions that come up this time of year, nor is there any word of the execs trying to woo one of these big names that are circulating around.
Not to say we should just go out and reflexively grab Shanahan or Cowher just because they’re a name, but there doesn’t seem to be much interest in replacing Mora. Granted, a lot of this may be because we’re focusing on finding a GM, and the new GM would likely flush out the old staff to bring in his own guys, but still. I’m a little worried that Mora will somehow skate his way through the offseason.
I wonder if hiring the firm to investigate/help find us candidates for GM, etc...
helps those things stay private, as far as ‘wooing big names’ goes. That sounds like a good reason to hire a firm to assist in the first place. Keep the team’s activities and candidate of interest private. Just a thought.
This.
I assume 'what to do with the coach' will be an integral part
of the GM hiring process. Wont it cost a big chunk of cake to get rid of Mora? I wouldnt be surprised to see Mora stay and a huge personel purge. Just my hunch.
I would rather see Mora go, personally.
Coaches salaries arn't part of the salary cap
so getting rid of Mora is possible and won’t hurt the team financially as long as Paul Allen is fine with it.
Hope I can still slip one in too...
Reading other comments, John, would you say that each side of the ball might be only a handful of (admittedly crucial) pieces away from suddenly being significantly better?
i.e. A better QB/LT for the offense and a real 1-tech DT for the defense?
my 2 cents:
Its possible to fix the defense in one offseason, but it would require a lot of changes and a lot of resources. Gaining a coach who properly uses the LBs to their strengths, who doesn’t play our DL out of their natural position, and who doesn’t use the ill suited zone coverage in the secondary would go a long way. Adding an elite front four pass rusher is almost mandatory (Suh or McCoy would be perfect, if we could get them). CB could probably use more talent. Safety is very upgradeable.
The offense isn’t as rosy. Adding a real QB would certainly help, but I don’t think that is possible this offseason. RB and WR is made up of rentals- none of which are explosive playmakers that strike fear of the big play into a defense. The OL has a building block or two but needs further investment. Pretty much, the entire offense needs at least some attention, other than FB and TE. I think rebuilding the offense will probably take 3+ years.
salaries
Many people have endorsed the idea of ‘blowing it up’ and dumping most of the unproductive veteran salaries on the roster: Walter Jones, Patrick Kerney, Deion Branch, Matt Hasselbeck. Other 2nd tier names I’ve seen in the ‘dump their salaries’ mix are Nate Burleson, TJ Housh, and Deion Grant.
Now I’d like someone to explain how this improves the Seahawks, other than to make Paul Allen richer. As far as I know, the salary cap is the salary cap. If the Seahawks are 50 million under the cap in 2010 it doesn’t allow them to go 50 mill over in 2011. Sure a few contracts can be restructured and it will allow more moves to happen but, ultimately, I don’t think there are enough quality free agents out there that could be encouraged to sign with the Hawks to justify a mass purge of our veterans.
To me there are only a couple ‘no brainer’ salary dumps: Patrick Kerney and Deion Branch. Sadly, Walter Jones probably needs to be added to that list as well, but I believe that will be a determination made in the offseason based on his health. As it’s unlikely that his knee will ever hold up again, I think this decision just makes itself.
But I think, despite his incredible suckitude this year, that it makes sense to bring Matt back in 2010, unless Holmgren wants to flip us a draft pick to bring him to Cle. I like the idea of Hasselbeck getting one more chance to win a starters spot against a rookie if a good one is available in the draft. It could play out in a number of ways that would benefit the team: in a Kurt Warner/Matt Leinart 2008 kinda way or in a Kerry Collins/Vince Young 2009 kinda way.
There's no salary cap next year.
Now I’d like someone to explain how this improves the Seahawks, other than to make Paul Allen richer. As far as I know, the salary cap is the salary cap. If the Seahawks are 50 million under the cap in 2010 it doesn’t allow them to go 50 mill over in 2011. Sure a few contracts can be restructured and it will allow more moves to happen but, ultimately, I don’t think there are enough quality free agents out there that could be encouraged to sign with the Hawks to justify a mass purge of our veterans.
You can’t say that with certainty without knowing who the next GM (and hopefully coach) are and what their vision of the team is.
Well, we assume there's no salary cap next year.
There’s still a slight chance the CBA will be renewed. Doubtful, but possible.
No salary cap , then 6 year before UFA
You do understand only 18 or our 53 players have been in the league long enough to go UFA .
Also in a un-capped year a additional tag can be applied to UFA .
So they are about age 27 or 28 before they can even go UFA then .
Also during the uncapped year, the eight clubs that make the divisional playoffs in the previous season have additional restrictions that limit their ability to sign Unrestricted Free Agents from other clubs.
Biggest issues would be what factor to base salary on in economy , adding 1 or 2 games and controlling runaway rookie spending
No salary cap nullifies the benefit of dumping salaries, no?
Outside of dead wood taking up a roster spot, there is not much justification for a wholesale dump of veteran players.
Can't assume the team would have an infinite amount of financial resources even in an uncapped year.
Probably safe to assume status quo though, if not a little more
Paul Allen has never been shy about spending money. The guy throws parties that probably cost as much as a free agent defensive end.
So, it’s pretty much a given that at least a few of the existing veteran salaries will be gone. Lets say Kerney and Branch are 100% gone. The savings from those players are enough to bring in a big name like, say, Darnell Dockett. The savings from not paying Walter Jones and Nate Burleson should cover your rookie salaries. Now it’s just a matter of shuffling some mid-level contracts/salaries around.
Only Paul Allen knows how Paul Allen will spend
Allen could be as equally shrewd as he could be lavish when it comes to spending in an uncapped year (which will also have no salary floor, consequently).
Lavish isn’t even the answer. Being smart with players and contracts is the smarter thing.
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by Nick Andron on Dec 30, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
Outside of dead wood taking up a roster spot, there is not much justification for a wholesale dump of veteran players.
Sure there is. if the intent is to compete in 2011 then there’s no need for Deion Grant, TJ Housh, Kerney, Cole, Hasselbeck. Even Jones assuming he doesn’t retire.
Underachieving players are still a net loss to the org regardless of their experience or contract. The sooner you free up those resources to put towards contributing players the better.
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by SSreporters on Dec 30, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
I disagree
So you dump Hass and bring in a rookie. There’s a good argument to be made for this strategy. But if you’re also talking about getting rid of the bulk of the veteran receivers too, then who is your rookie quarterback throwing the ball to, Ben Obomanu, Deion Butler and a bunch of practice squad scrubs? This seems like a good way to ensure failure for your quaterback of the future. I say the kid does better with a TJ Houshmandzadeh out on the field and a Matt Hasselbeck as a role model (if Matt is able to win the roster spot) or mentor (if Matt is indeed toast, as he has certainly looked for much of this season)
It seems that a few of your posts are replies, but you're not using the "reply" button
When you do, it’ll indent your post below the post you ‘reply’ to.
To your point: I believe Matt should be retained, albeit with a salary adjustment (I doubt even he would be against it, considering his performance over the last two season). But Housh should be retained. He is fantastic at what he does, and if we start playing a QB very early in his NFL career (could possibly take over under center within his rookie year), he’ll need reliable targets.
Housh, Carlson and a check-down reliable RB (Forsett and Jones are both good pass-catching RBs) would be a great start.
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by Nick Andron on Dec 30, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
Fair enough
I’m just saying that if you bring back the same veteran core of the last two seasons, you’re basically bringing back a 4 or 5 win team with little if any upside, whereas if you jettison those salaries and essentially put replacement level guys in there you’re looking at the same record give or take a game but positioning the team to have some upside the following year or so.
w/r/t Matt I don’t believe it’s a stretch to say that the Hawks would be lucky to get half a season out of him next year, so 8 games of varying quality of Hass vs. a rookie or free agent QB is pretty much a tossup to me.
Here's one for the pot
Talking of scheme changes anyone think the management might ditch the zone blocking scheme? The players have been criticised but I wonder if they’re looking at the system too. Maybe Simms, Spencer and Willis are better fits with a man to man scheme with Unger the only ZBS favoured lineman. I don’t know what Solari’s preference was/is.
by Scotia Seahawk on Dec 30, 2009 11:04 AM PST reply actions
If anything, we've got to ditch the Tampa 2
It has been nothing but fail. Trufant looks lost in zone coverage.
As for ZBS … I’m indifferent.
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by Nick Andron on Dec 30, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
Zone blocking issue
Zone blocking may eventually work great for the running game but I wonder how much of an issue it is with the passing game and pass protection scheme .
Seems sometimes more of a zone pass protection not working so well or that the two schemes are so drastically different that the telegraph
I think our sports media needs a full overhaul as well as the Seahawks
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/stevekelley/2010627343_kelley30.html
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Well, I do somewhat agree with the sentiment that Ruskell ignored the offense
and thus it now is what it is.
But he’s definitely not to blame for all their woes.
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by Nick Andron on Dec 30, 2009 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
Ahahahahahahha
Read the comments to the article. Hilarious!
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by Nick Andron on Dec 30, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
Good lord, I hate his writing style.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 30, 2009 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
What is there to hate?
The man simply likes to use breaks
Even if his thoughts should be contained within the same paragraph.
Sure, it interrupts flow and is a visual eyesore.
Random break.
Do you think the Seahawks would benefit more from a more pass oriented offensive coordinator?
Once the quarterback situation is resolved that is. Actually come to think of it, a run oriented offense might help a rookie QB, assuming we get one.
75% of people account for 3/4 of the worlds population.
by Pessimistic Optimist on Dec 30, 2009 4:34 PM PST reply actions
I don't know if you've seen this already,
but I’d like to hear your thoughts on this blog post by Mike Sando. Particularly the part that says;
March 11 is one date to keep in mind. The Seahawks owe a $1 million roster bonus to Hasselbeck on that date, but only if Hasselbeck is still on the roster.
How important is this date? If he’s still on the roster at that point, is it safe to assume that the team views him as the starter next year?
by Mind of no mind on Dec 30, 2009 4:59 PM PST reply actions
A $1M roster bonus didn't keep TJ Duckett from getting cut later.
My personal feeling is that it’s of little importance. March 11 is very early in the offseason process – before the draft, the heart of FA, etc. And whoever the new GM is will still be fresh in the job and probably won’t want to make that decision right away. And $1M is a drop in the bucket compared to the $10M cap number he’ll carry into the season.
My guess is that they pay the $1M to keep him as a way to hedge their bets against what they can add in FA and the draft, and while they probably work on a contract re-structure. If they upgrade the position (or Matt holds firm on his contract/forces the issue) then they can still cut him and just consider the $1M as a nice parting gift.
"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg
Perfectly fine with Matt
Dealt with McGuire , Stouffer and Mirer . Not ready for another 3-5 year of wannabe first rnd QBs .
But I would like to groom one
I commented on this in another thread, but here are my thoughts:
I wouldn’t put it past the team to pay that roster bonus to Matt regardless of what the plan is for him even if it is ultimately to be w/out him long term. Matt is deserving of a golden parachute even if he didn’t earn one this year or last, but the main motive would be to keep our draft options open – wide open. We could use having Matt’s roster bonus paid as a reason to claim we’ve got our QB outwardly, while scheming to get one behind closed doors through the draft. Is 1-million too expensive for a pre-draft smokescreen? Then, if we don’t have a viable starter (draftee) we could consider using Matt as a stop-gap or in trade. If we kept him for whatever reason, he surely would have to be restructured.
This.
Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco say hello.
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All I want for Christmas is Joe Haden, Eric Berry, and Nandamukong Suh in Seahawks blue.
by Wayward Llama on Jan 2, 2010 4:04 AM PST up reply actions
Neither of those guys played at a high level during their rookie years.
But they played a very serviceable level, a solid level. Granted, that is still outside the norm for a rookie quarterback, but both of those players played solid because the pieces were in place for them to do so. This could happen for the Seahawks if they go this route provided that they give the new QB the pieces to do so. I don’t think it will happen, but I acknowledge the possibility that it could.
In essence, rookie QB’s can jump right in and play at the pro level.
Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 2, 2010 9:42 AM PST up reply actions
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