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Civil War and Thursday Night Football - Open Thread

We could all use some football to break up today's business. I understand many fans enjoy the process of building a team as much or more than the football itself. For them, Field Gulls will spare no white man in suit in our search for Seattle's next general manager. I enjoy the football more.

Mark Sanchez faces the Buffalo Bills, the NFL's second place defense by interceptions. Despite playing behind an elite offensive line, that paves the way for a very good run game, Sanchez has the highest interceptions rate among starting quarterbacks: 6%. His draftmate Matthew Stafford is nearly a full percentage point lower. Both players should worry their fans, because both players have done little to prove they will not bust.

I cut Stafford a little more slack because he's about a year younger and plays for a significantly worse team. Sanchez is plain scary. He has become worse over the course of the season, despite suffering no major injuries. He plays on a ready-made offense with one of the best left sides in football. When the Jets run game and defense can not win the game for New York, or when the Jets fall behind, Sanchez unravels in bust-like fashion.

Young quarterbacks are usually bad. Sometimes a Matt Ryan or Ben Roethlisberger lands in a perfect situation and starts out hot, but even Ryan and Roethlisberger have suffered setbacks since. Peyton Manning led the league in interceptions his first season, but also set the rookie record for touchdown passes. Young quarterbacks are bad but give fans reason to hope - successful young quarterbacks do.

Stafford, arguably, had that moment against the Browns. He fattened against a bad team, but fattened nonetheless and led his team back from a big deficit to a heroic victory. Sanchez has had no such moment. Both players are already showing troubling signs of busting. For Jets fans, Sanchez showing anything would be heartening, because young quarterbacks are bad, but few successful quarterbacks were ever as bad as Sanchez is today.

Something to keep in mind next season, when Seattle is most likely breaking in their young quarterback. He doesn't have to be great from his first snap, but if he isn't better than crippingly-bad after his first season, it's time to worry.

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I was doubtful of the significance of Sanchez' struggles a month ago

but I’m coming around. It’s not because he’s playing poor, but as you said, how he’s playing poorly and what how he’s playing indicates. If he’s not getting some real good QB coaching, and responding favorably, it’s pretty bad looking.

by jacobstevens on Dec 3, 2009 5:10 PM PST reply actions  

A couple of things regarding Stafford and Sanchez:

1) Stafford has an elite receiver, Sanchez has who… Cotchery? Not sure if Edwards will be that guy.

2) Stafford may be a year younger, but how long was he a starter in college? Wasn’t Sanchez only a starter for like a year and a quarter?

by djafrot on Dec 3, 2009 5:13 PM PST reply actions  

Not that I think Sanchez is anything special.

Haven’t seen him play yet. Tonight will be interesting.

by djafrot on Dec 3, 2009 5:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I hope I am.

I hate to see first round quarterbacks go belly up.

by djafrot on Dec 3, 2009 5:21 PM PST up reply actions  

It's painful

and as a fan, I never wish this on another fan.

I was impressed with Sanchez at USC—I think almost everyone was. He was too risky for my taste, but I do not need him to fail to feel confident in my assessment. His performance does not threaten or reinforce my opinions of him before the draft. He looked like a guy with adequate arm strength that moved in the pocket pretty well, but was very unseasoned, raw in his reads, raw in his decision making and totally unprepared for failure.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions  

One 'elite' receiver does not make an offense.

Detroit has some talent on offense and less on defense. Stafford is regularly playing behind and attempting to pass his team back into games. Sanchez has Jones, that line, Cotchery, Edwards, Keller, previously Washington, Shonn Green and a defense that puts him in good field position and keeps the other offense from pulling ahead.

Stafford started three years in college and Sanchez about 1+. That experience is a part of each player, and Stafford is not somehow advantaged by it. It makes him a better prospect. It does not make Sanchez more likely to break out.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 5:19 PM PST up reply actions  

wouldn't that experience allow Stafford an easier transition?

I’m not talking about the long-term, I mean right now. Before the draft the “experts” were saying that Stafford was much more likely than Sanchez to have a chance to be successful right away.

As for that talent, yes, you’re right. But one big, deadly receiver can make a world of difference to a young quarterback. When it doubt, fling it up there. I believe this is why Edwards was brought in for Sanchez so hastily… but I have no idea how that’s worked out so far.

by djafrot on Dec 3, 2009 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Sanchez has not improved with Edwards

and I do not think Stafford was considered more polished than Sanchez. Sanchez was the polished pick and Stafford the toolsy prospect. The common, and ridiculous, analogy was Manning and Lead, with Stafford playing Leaf.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 5:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, that archetypal way of seeing the top two QB's will be around for a while.

With Manning turning out to be God and Leaf turning out to be Dog, it’s such a convenient way of seeing things. But totally inappropriate.

by djafrot on Dec 3, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Not watching the game (at the moment....and I have NFL N)

But I’m willing to bet the Rogers Centre is not full.

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by SSreporters on Dec 3, 2009 5:29 PM PST reply actions  

I doubt it is...

They don’t know football…and I’m originally from Toronto.

by BigWalt on Dec 3, 2009 5:32 PM PST up reply actions  

They know Canadian football

Which is like American football but with rosters 50% American and 200% the fun of the NFL!

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by SSreporters on Dec 3, 2009 5:34 PM PST up reply actions  

God I hate it...

I’m all about the running game. So watching 5 wide receiver sets on every down makes me want to shoot myself.

by BigWalt on Dec 3, 2009 5:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm a running game guy myself (despite the fact I play WR)

But the CFL is a fun alternative for passing-frenzies.

That’s a league where midget QBs can succeed!

Oh and every game is on national TV since there are only 8 teams. I like that.

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by SSreporters on Dec 3, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I just looked it up...

You are only required to have 7 Canadian players on your team and they are negotiating a new CBA to bump it down to 4.

by BigWalt on Dec 3, 2009 5:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Really?

I swear that’s for the practice squad or something.

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by SSreporters on Dec 3, 2009 5:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Wikipedia may not be the best source but
In 2006, the active roster limit was increased from 40 to 42. The import/non-import ratio, which required teams to keep at least 20 non-import (Canadian-born or Canadian-trained) players on their active roster, was increased to 21. Teams may have up to 4 players on their reserve roster, and up to 7 on their practice roster.

I’d hate to think the CFL dropped 17 Canadians from the limit in 3 years.

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by SSreporters on Dec 3, 2009 5:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Looks like maybe what I read is 7 canadian starters

Import Ratio Explained

Each team may dress a 42-man active roster consisting of:

    * 3 QBs (no designation)
    * 19 imports
    * 20 non-imports

The 19 imports break down as follows:

    * 16 imports
    * 3 Designated Imports

The three designated imports are players who can play on special teams OR replace an import starter (they cannot start).

Of the 24 starters on a team, a minimum of seven starters must be non-imports. When applied to a starting roster of a team it breaks down as follows (when using the minimum number of non-import players):

    * 1 QB
    * 16 starting imports
    * 7 starting non-imports

by BigWalt on Dec 3, 2009 5:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Good mechanics, and he has himself a completion?

Um, the WR didn’t turn around. One of the two of them mis-read the play, dumbass.

by djafrot on Dec 3, 2009 5:31 PM PST reply actions  

That would certainly make it fun for you, hey?

If Brohm came in and beat the Jets, we’d never hear the end of it!

by djafrot on Dec 3, 2009 5:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Not much more to say about Brohm actually

He was interesting when he was free, but now he’s just another quarterback. It only frustrates me that a team with an obvious need didn’t sign him.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 5:53 PM PST up reply actions  

A little underthrown

but just shit, shit, shit from Edwards

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 5:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I remember we had talk of

Trading for Edwards.

Looks like we’re better off without him.

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by SSreporters on Dec 3, 2009 5:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Did we?

I thought the discussion was mostly about drops.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 6:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Not you specifically

May have been a fanpost from a long time ago.

Last time we seriously mentioned Edwards was the trade.

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by SSreporters on Dec 3, 2009 6:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I hate the Bills uniforms

but at least they’re better then the Jets. Maybe

by B.B.Finnegan on Dec 3, 2009 6:10 PM PST reply actions  

Canfield didn't do much to excite me on that drive

but beyond the shotgun, State runs a pretty traditional offense. It doesn’t look like Canfield is getting garbage yards.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 6:10 PM PST reply actions  

"Beast Mode"

Isn’t that from an obscure fighting game? Like ‘Beast Wars’ or something.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 6:17 PM PST reply actions  

Beast Wars™ was a tv show!

Created by the Canadian animation studio Mainframe, animators of other popular series such as, ReBoot™! Beast Wars™ ran for three seasons, as the heroic Maximals® fought the villainous Predacons® by transforming into “Beast Mode!”

spoiler:
it was Earth all along

by Will Kier on Dec 3, 2009 6:48 PM PST up reply actions  

no that was Transformers

I would call Beast Wars more of a stalking horse.

…eh, I tried.

by Will Kier on Dec 3, 2009 7:00 PM PST up reply actions  

James and Polk

My favorite Pac-10 RBs. More than even Best.

ME! BANE!

by SSreporters on Dec 3, 2009 6:17 PM PST reply actions  

If Brockman was a senior this year

Washington could be a title contender.

But they are getting destroyed on the glass. Getting close to giving up.

ME! BANE!

by SSreporters on Dec 3, 2009 6:20 PM PST reply actions  

What a stupid in-bounds pass.

Heave it deep for a covered Overton and no one in the backcourt?

Washington blows the game. They absolutely need a big man.

ME! BANE!

by SSreporters on Dec 3, 2009 6:30 PM PST reply actions  

Nevertheless

I won’t have the same kind of time this year.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 6:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I hope this is not true

I hope Cleveland offers him 30 billion tomorrow and he signs.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 6:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Do you think

If he comes back as GM he’ll possibly come back as coach? I’d tend to think not but I leave the possibility there.

ME! BANE!

by SSreporters on Dec 3, 2009 6:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't want to know

I am not sure Holmgren will be awful, but it’s a distinct possibility.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 6:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Awful in terms of being a coach?

After seeing his playcalling take a massive nosedive (that draw with no timeouts deep in Cleveland territory two years ago was it for me) I don’t want to see him as a coach/playcaller anymore.

I don’t want to see him as a GM either but if he returns as coach has me slightly nervous.

ME! BANE!

by SSreporters on Dec 3, 2009 6:51 PM PST up reply actions  

As a GM

He terrifies me as a GM.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 6:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Imagine not well

Holmgren was a great coach, a great teacher and mentor. That’s what he did. He helped make “Favre”. He turned Hasselbeck into a Pro Bowl quarterback. I think about those guys without Holmgren and I see a bust and a backup.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 6:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Definite QB guru, it's his handling of most everything else that made him spotting

Plus, I’ve been enjoying Knapp’s playcalling thus far. Although the execution may not be as good as Holmgren managed.

by B.B.Finnegan on Dec 3, 2009 6:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd be down for that.

Even his play calling wasn’t awful. It just wasn’t modern.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 6:53 PM PST up reply actions  

In crucial situations

It was awful. Even he admitted when we were driving against the Steelers in the game we lost 21-0 he had a brain cramp in clock management.

Plus I want to keep my normal looking shotgun formation!

ME! BANE!

by SSreporters on Dec 3, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions  

He panicked/did weird things

On several occasions that particular season.

Shaun/Mo situation was bewildering. He had to have been seeing something different from the rest of us. Shaun was running into piles while Mo Morris was catching passes and getting into the open field.

ME! BANE!

by SSreporters on Dec 3, 2009 7:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Busted his shoulder

missed the rest of that season and wasn’t fully healthy until late into practice.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 7:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Fair enough

I thought I remembered it differently.

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by bluemax on Dec 3, 2009 7:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Add a Z.

The extra Z is for “I may be small but I will still eviscerate you with my quicks”

by abender20 on Dec 3, 2009 6:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Does the water suck in Seattle

because you guys do not make good beers.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 7:09 PM PST reply actions  

Its not that bad

Texas has the worst tap water.

People in SoCal would lead you to believe that tap water is undrinkable but this is a lie.

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by bluemax on Dec 3, 2009 7:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

New England and the Northwest are alike in a lot of ways.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 7:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Life sometimes works like that.

The winters there will drag you down though. Do not miss “Do not outside – too cold” warnings ticking across the TV.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 7:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Boston is windier than Chicago

fast fact. But, yeah, if you can do Chicago, Boston isn’t so bad. When it’s like March 18, and there’s black snow piled everywhere, it gets to be a drag.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 7:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I couldn't do it

I have never met anyone from Boston I liked.

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by bluemax on Dec 3, 2009 7:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Clemens in

Lots of Oregon goin’ on.

by djafrot on Dec 3, 2009 7:19 PM PST reply actions  

Just askin'

How about a Matt Schaub-type trade for Kevin Kolb instead of taking a QB with the first 1st round pick? That sounds infinitely better than taking a chance on McCoy or Jimmy Clausen.

by redmosquito on Dec 3, 2009 7:25 PM PST reply actions  

Fine with that

but it’s speculative. We don’t know if Kolb is even available.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 7:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Still hard to say if Kolb will be any good.

Should be better then Sanchez though. However, I’d rather take the risk on someone with better upside, especially with this draft.

by B.B.Finnegan on Dec 3, 2009 7:30 PM PST up reply actions  

What the NFL needs is a new helmet

Whoever designs something that combines the shoulder pads and helmet but doesn’t limit mobility, is going to save some brains.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 7:27 PM PST reply actions  

Very nice

I would be ok with drafting those two this year

by Nate Dogg on Dec 3, 2009 7:27 PM PST reply actions  

Canfield is a machine.

Where does he stand in the QB pecking order? Before or after Tebow?

by redmosquito on Dec 3, 2009 7:29 PM PST reply actions  

It's hard to construct a board right now

Realistically, I could see Caveman, Bradford and Canfield being 1, 2, 3.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 7:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Caveman?

CAPTAIN Caveman?

(where the heck was he from, anyhow?)

by djafrot on Dec 3, 2009 7:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I toured the Christian Science church in Boston a few years ago.

They have some pretty nifty views on medicine. Like denying a 2 year old diabetic insulin in favor of prayer. That worked about as well as you’d think it would.

by abender20 on Dec 3, 2009 7:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Speaking of Boston

I didn’t understand “Russian” prejudice when I moved to the Northwest.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 7:39 PM PST up reply actions  

We had Puerto Ricans

It’s funny how even prejudice can be regional.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 7:39 PM PST up reply actions  

There's a big Russian contingent in the northwest?

I didn’t even notice, or know there was a prejudice, but I’m mostly not from the coast

by B.B.Finnegan on Dec 3, 2009 7:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I only remember injun and messican prejudices

White people. Though it went both ways and mostly didn’t really exist.

by B.B.Finnegan on Dec 3, 2009 7:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh

it existed. At least where I was and for Mormons and Russians. In fact, most people refused to believe it was a prejudice. They were like “Well, it’s true!”

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 7:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Let's say the Hawks get 6-10.

Spiller has to be available at that point. Take Oline (LT/RT) with second first round pick and cross your fingers for Canfield or LeFevour to be there in second round.

by redmosquito on Dec 3, 2009 7:37 PM PST reply actions  

Heh, I mistook your Civil War reference

I thought you meant the program the Military Channel is re-running tonight @ 8PM, about how Robert E. Lee would have won the battle of Gettysburg if a certain George Armstrong Custer and his Michigan cavalry hadn’t thwarted J.E.B. Stuart’s attempt to swing around the Union flank and attack the center from behind, at or about the same time as Pickett’s ill-fated charge. Good stuff, that. I highly recommend the book on which it is based.

by Mr Fish on Dec 3, 2009 7:45 PM PST reply actions  

Eh, Gettysburg should never have happened

and the South could have won it in several different ways but Lee screwed the pooch on that one. It is definitely interesting stuff.

by Fear on Dec 3, 2009 7:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I think Longstreet was right

and they should have adopted his defensive strategy rather than fight on such bad ground.

Still, the theory outlined in the book and program makes a compelling case that Lee could have won despite the terrain disadvantage.

by Mr Fish on Dec 3, 2009 7:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Could have won

doesn’t mean he should have done it though. Hell, even had he won it it was still a bad decision. No real reason to attack. However, I won’t claim I’m a huge Gettysburg officianado.

by Fear on Dec 3, 2009 8:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, as the program emphasizes, Lee was an audacious risk-taker

not unlike some modern-day football coaches who go for it on fourth down deep in their own side of the field.

by Mr Fish on Dec 3, 2009 8:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow.

Yes, I like what I see from Canfield. Good vision, lots of patience.

Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.

by Carl Shinyama on Dec 3, 2009 8:02 PM PST reply actions  

That was beautiful

Cans going to be shooting up boards tomorrow.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 8:02 PM PST reply actions  

zzzzzzz

19-13 Jets. Sanchez out. Jets pounding it down with 3:30 left.

by djafrot on Dec 3, 2009 8:03 PM PST reply actions  

Wow

fun night in the wake of Ruskell. Paea.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 8:05 PM PST reply actions  

Problem is,

if he’s not NFL-level size-wise, you’re looking at Craig Terrill.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 8:08 PM PST up reply actions  

per Wikipedia
Attended Purdue University where he was a four-year starter on the defensive line for the Boilermakers. Amassed 131 tackles (89 solo) and 35.5 tackles for losses of 165 yards. Ranks fifth on school’s career sack list with 20.5. All-Big Ten selection by coaches and honorable mention by media as a fifth-year senior. As junior was honorable mention All-Big Ten by coaches and media. Started every game as sophomore. Appeared in all 12 games and started eight freshman year

well that doesn’t make me feel better

by B.B.Finnegan on Dec 3, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Obviously not much Oregon State coverage over here in Thailand.... haven't seen anything on this guy other than what I have read.

How’s the arm strength?…. and I have been wondering, is he the kind of QB that sometimes has too much confidence in the arm and forces things he shouldn’t?

Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.

by iverson2169 on Dec 3, 2009 8:09 PM PST reply actions  

Doesn't seem like it.

He seems to make calculated throws, which I find to be a product of his patience. But then, he is getting great protection, so he can afford to be patient.

I’d like to see how he handles his throws when he’s getting pressured.

Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.

by Carl Shinyama on Dec 3, 2009 8:10 PM PST up reply actions  

When?

(I don’t ask out of sarcasm, I’m new to football)

by GarethLewin on Dec 3, 2009 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Most of his career

he the only wide receiver of his generation I can think of that had success on so many different teams and with so many different quarterbacks.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Terrell Owens was a fantastic receiver.

Absolutely deadly. Could go deep, could pull down a jump ball, could break a tackle and bust a slant eighty yards. A total dick, but one of the best offensive weapons of the last ten years.

by djafrot on Dec 3, 2009 8:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok, I stand corrected

I started following the NFL when he played in the SB after being injured and played badly. Personally I don’t remember him being good for the ’boys, but maybe his off-field crap just hid it from me.

by GarethLewin on Dec 3, 2009 8:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

drops can be overstated because they’re outrageous to the common fan. It’s like “I could have caught that!” But he was a speeding hulk, with huge hands and the presence of a tight end.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 8:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Forget the lack of effort (which was terrible)

He totally misjudged the flight path of the ball. I assume that’s considered an important WR skill.

by GarethLewin on Dec 3, 2009 8:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Deon Butler doesn't think so

Good thing we traded up for him.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 8:12 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Oooooo....

That was cold blooded. Hahahaha

Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.

by iverson2169 on Dec 3, 2009 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

On a serious note... are the instincts your referring to a teachable skill?

or do you think some guys got it and some guys dont?

Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.

by iverson2169 on Dec 3, 2009 8:14 PM PST up reply actions  

It's an ability to track the ball in flight

Honestly, I kind of doubt it. I think if he was kept on short routes and somehow was not destroyed, he could ok.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 8:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Nah... It wasn't "Hitler Evil"....

On an evil meter…… It was more “South Park Evil”

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by iverson2169 on Dec 3, 2009 8:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry guy.

Get better Clark and study hard.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 8:11 PM PST reply actions  

Oh! A ninja mask! I want!

Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.

by Carl Shinyama on Dec 3, 2009 8:11 PM PST reply actions  

I like Oregon's center.

Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.

by Carl Shinyama on Dec 3, 2009 8:14 PM PST reply actions  

Damage

as a high school stoner I knew would say.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 8:17 PM PST reply actions  

Jets win 19-13

I can’t believe this team is 6-6.

ME! BANE!

by SSreporters on Dec 3, 2009 8:17 PM PST reply actions  

Three seasons

6 INTs, 3 returned for touchdowns, and a kick return for a TD.

I like the midget.

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by SSreporters on Dec 3, 2009 8:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Not terrible in coverage either

and a hell of an open field tackler. List his forced fumbles.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 8:28 PM PST up reply actions  

This year he has 12 PDs

And apparently a sack on Garrard. I don’t remember that.

ME! BANE!

by SSreporters on Dec 3, 2009 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I feel a Wilson pick-6 again

This weekend against the 49ers. He’ll get a great break on the ball and race down the sidelines for a 45 yard TD.

I love pistol. Ruskell’s 2nd round picks have been money.

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by SSreporters on Dec 3, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions  

But since this is 2009

it will be called back due to a penalty.

Is it just me being a cynic, or are we getting way more penalties since the walrus left?

by GarethLewin on Dec 3, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions  

All of one season?

Yeah it feels like it but we still are decent compared to the rest of the league.

The penalty thing has just been occurring the past few weeks.

And Wilson is too awesome to be denied a TD. We’re 4-0 when he scores.

ME! BANE!

by SSreporters on Dec 3, 2009 8:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry, trying to be too clever there

Wasn’t meaning to point out a causation link, was just a more amusing way of saying “this year”

by GarethLewin on Dec 3, 2009 8:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh wait. They did.

Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.

by Carl Shinyama on Dec 3, 2009 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

This is good God damn football

Anyone not watching the Civil War is missing football at its finest.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 8:22 PM PST reply actions  

This is my favorite part of football season.

It’s when the stakes are at their highest :)

Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.

by Carl Shinyama on Dec 3, 2009 8:23 PM PST up reply actions  

On the rollout

but he willed that. Not a good show of arm there Canfield.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 8:23 PM PST reply actions  

Hey interesting thought....

Does a lefty shift the focus from LT to RT because of the blind-side?

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by iverson2169 on Dec 3, 2009 8:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Interesting.

So if Seattle acquired say…Mark Brunell back in the day, would Walt and Hutch have been the right tackle and guard? Just seems funny to see those two on the other side.

SEA!

by MFAN on Dec 3, 2009 8:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I doubt it

Coaches are (not) surprisingly rigid.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 8:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Some team this weekend had a backup QB that was a lefty play

I think it was whoever the Colts beat?

Anyway whoever it was, the offense and defense didn’t change where they lined up, just the QB’s blindspot changed.

I was surprised, I expected the whole game to switch sides, but then what do I know?

by GarethLewin on Dec 3, 2009 8:32 PM PST up reply actions  

At the NFL level at-least

but TMQ can explain that, it’s better to be conservative and lose than to take risks and lose.

by GarethLewin on Dec 3, 2009 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Who am I supposed to be pulling for?

I find sports more fun when I have a side to pull for.

by GarethLewin on Dec 3, 2009 8:25 PM PST reply actions  

Eh

Comcast may still pay me money. I have no particular qualms with giant corp. I just think outdated models that restrict information are stupid.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 8:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Always root for whomever's behind

works for me. That’s when i just want to see an exciting competitive game.

by B.B.Finnegan on Dec 3, 2009 8:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I swear...

I switched over to the NFL game during the civil war half time and was in a deep sleep instantly.

Missed the entire 3rd quarter. Damn you Jets/Bills

by BigWalt on Dec 3, 2009 8:30 PM PST reply actions  

I am exceedingly interested in this RH LH QB thing?

The presence of a couple solid lefty QB’s in the upcoming draft would mean a greatly decreased need for 1st or 2nd round OL. I would love to see a write up about how that could play out.

Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.

by iverson2169 on Dec 3, 2009 8:32 PM PST reply actions  

The same principles still apply

They’re just reversed to an extent. You still need talent on the line though.

by Brendan Scolari on Dec 3, 2009 11:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh. He;s gone.

Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.

by Carl Shinyama on Dec 3, 2009 8:32 PM PST reply actions  

No that's cool

did someone explain it to you?

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 8:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I was born in South Africa

Cricket is the first sport I really liked, it’s really not that hard to understand, just hard to understand well enough to sit thru a test (5 day) match.

The new fangled 20/20 mode of cricket is pretty exciting.

by GarethLewin on Dec 3, 2009 8:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Soccer is exciting

But the whole penalty shootout thing irritates me.

ME! BANE!

by SSreporters on Dec 3, 2009 8:42 PM PST up reply actions  

World Cup Draw is tomorrow

Can’t wait to see the 3 opponents the US will lose to.

ME! BANE!

by SSreporters on Dec 3, 2009 8:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I like soccer

if I can see the field. Like Hockey, better live.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 8:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I realise you didn't mean that at me, but personally

I like to watch most sports, anything without motors or wheels.

Football (American), Tennis, Cricket, Football (European), Rugby are my favorites.

by GarethLewin on Dec 3, 2009 8:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Two of my very good friends freshman year are half-Thai/ half-Indian dizygotic twins.

We’d all work on problem sets until 3 in the morning and then watch ODIs. Great stuff.

by abender20 on Dec 3, 2009 8:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I have a basic grasp of cricket

Duckworth-Lewis method, number of bowls in an over…what’s a 6, 4, 2, 1, etc.

It’s not good for TV viewing.

ME! BANE!

by SSreporters on Dec 3, 2009 8:40 PM PST up reply actions  

It's great tv watching if you can see the hilight show

have to love a sport where the daily hilights are 2 hours long!

by GarethLewin on Dec 3, 2009 8:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I disagree, but it's all about the environment.

I’d end up watching India/Pakistan ODI series in a room full of people who really cared. Once I knew what I was watching and had an appreciation, I got into it as well.

by abender20 on Dec 3, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions  

That makes sense

I skipped a crappy concert at an art show to duck into a Fred Meyer and watch the Ducks with Ducks fans.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions  

It's gotten out of hand.

I’m a white kid form Spokane, Washington who irrationally dislikes Australia because I’m an Indian cricket fan. Ricky Ponting can go get fucked.

by abender20 on Dec 3, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions  

While on the subject of Cricket

Graeme Smith is one of the most amazing stories in sports in my opinion.

He’s the captain of the South African team (Captains in Cricket is a big deal. Coaches can’t talk to the team while they are on defense, and they can be there all day, the captain makes all the tactical decisions) who basically forced his way into the tam when he was very young, and has done amazingly well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graeme_Smith

by GarethLewin on Dec 3, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions  

My dad played cricket in school

He loves the game but hates when the weather is bad (humid hot day).

ME! BANE!

by SSreporters on Dec 3, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

We get cricket in Canada

but it’s a pay channel that I can’t afford right now. I don’t believe I missed that :(

by GarethLewin on Dec 3, 2009 8:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Damn, Paea

Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.

by Carl Shinyama on Dec 3, 2009 8:42 PM PST reply actions  

Whoooooooa

Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.

by Carl Shinyama on Dec 3, 2009 8:52 PM PST reply actions  

OSU has been running pro formations all night

Jesse Palmer, welcome, this is football we’re watching.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 8:52 PM PST reply actions  

That was a good throw.

Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.

by Carl Shinyama on Dec 3, 2009 8:52 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah

Canfield looks legit. Only problem: Can he pass without the run?

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 8:53 PM PST reply actions  

That depends

With protection, maybe. But he sure is a much a statue in the pocket as anyone.

by Gihyou on Dec 3, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Guess not...

Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.

by Carl Shinyama on Dec 3, 2009 8:54 PM PST reply actions  

He needs the ball back

Defense can’t allow anything beyond a field goal…obviously

by Gihyou on Dec 3, 2009 9:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Damn

I hope you die. I hope we BOTH die.

by BRKLN M'S on Dec 3, 2009 9:06 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah

Masolie looks like a Wildcat, emergency QB, but shorter.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 9:07 PM PST reply actions  

Paea is legit.

Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.

by Carl Shinyama on Dec 3, 2009 9:07 PM PST reply actions  

James

don’t burn yourself out, kid.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 9:10 PM PST reply actions  

I actually find myself being sad for OSU.

And I usually don’t give two shits about them.

Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.

by Carl Shinyama on Dec 3, 2009 9:17 PM PST reply actions  

Who is?

I hope you die. I hope we BOTH die.

by BRKLN M'S on Dec 3, 2009 9:18 PM PST up reply actions  

OSU

Like Michigan in 07

by Nate Dogg on Dec 3, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

Ducks have too much speed.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 9:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Not Sabin

Hate hate hate entering his blitz combos every damn time.

I like Gau, he can be a real beast if you take the time to develop him properly.

by Gihyou on Dec 3, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

And now I reveal my true, chicken head in mouth, geek mettle

Gau with the ‘catscratch’, and later ‘flare star’ with the Io rage. Also: Merit Award.

by John Morgan on Dec 3, 2009 9:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I discovered that Merit Award one on accident once

Made him nearly unstoppable. I was happy because I’m a total FF nerd about that sort of thing. His MBlock% was so high!

by Gihyou on Dec 3, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Also who do you never use?

Relm’s Sketch has the potential to ruin your save, plus she and her grandpa Strago suck. I get attached to other characters by the time these inferior guys show up, and so I just never bother to use them.

by Gihyou on Dec 3, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Palidor

Yes I had to look it up…I’m a terrible person.

Also this game is great in spite of all the crazy bugs and glitches (161 in all, someone calculated, not including the Vanish/Doom or X-Zone ‘strategy’ for beating bosses) and translation errors. I learned that the translation had to be shorted and censored to fit the American cartridge and Nintendo’s rules

by Gihyou on Dec 3, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions  

The secret is out!

I’m interested to know what you think it is.

by Gihyou on Dec 3, 2009 9:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I would say you are wrong

Except I’m afraid you’d ban me. I thought I was, with the warning and all.

by Gihyou on Dec 3, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Just a good way to communicate covertly.

I figured that was wrong, but it popped into my head.

by abender20 on Dec 3, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I will tell you, because I doubt there are many people still reading this thread and they likely don't care much

It’s Japanese for ‘sarcastic humor’, or so some translation websites have led me to believe.

by Gihyou on Dec 3, 2009 9:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I likey.

Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.

by Carl Shinyama on Dec 3, 2009 9:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Arm strength?

I hope you die. I hope we BOTH die.

by BRKLN M'S on Dec 3, 2009 9:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Jarmacus might be available for cheap this year

if all we need is arm strength :)

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Dec 3, 2009 9:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm licking my chops...

I hope you die. I hope we BOTH die.

by BRKLN M'S on Dec 3, 2009 9:23 PM PST up reply actions  

So - did anyone notice that Moevao was on OSU's kickoff return team?

I wonder what they were planning… kinda sad we didn’t get to see it…

(I’m assuming it’s not normal for them to trot out a QB as a kick returner…)

by chrees on Dec 4, 2009 1:11 AM PST reply actions  

Sad that my Beavers couldn't win the game

The Beavers played an outstanding game and this is probably one of the greatest games I have ever seen. The Rodgers brothers are amazing and Sean Canfield will be an elite NFL QB. Just hope that the Hawks draft him!

by Seahawksfan23 on Dec 4, 2009 7:35 AM PST reply actions  

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