Matthew Stafford and the Lewin Projection System
In Football Outsiders latest Four Downs feature, Bill Barnwell uses the Lewin Projection System as criteria to evaluate Matthew Stafford.
If they select Stafford, he'll become another player in the long line of Lions draft fiascos from this decade.
How can we be so sure? The answer has to do with the research first presented at FootballOutsiders.com by David Lewin -- namely, that the only two stats that matter for a college quarterback are games started and completion percentage. For quarterbacks taken in the first two rounds, the numbers are inextricably linked to NFL success.
In his three seasons at Georgia, Stafford started 33 games and completed 57.1 percent of the passes he threw. That puts him in some pretty uninspiring company.
Yes, reigning rookie of the year Matt Ryan appears on that list, but with a bit of an asterisk. Ryan played for a Boston College team that had no running game and threw 654 passes in his final season, skewing his completion percentage some. Even if Ryan doesn't come with an asterisk, a one-in-five shot of picking a quarterback of Ryan's caliber shouldn't encourage Stafford's selection in the slightest.
QBs similar to Stafford Quarterback Starts Comp Pct. Patrick Ramsey 38 58.9 Jake Plummer 40 55.4 Shaun King 39 55.5 J.P. Losman 27 57.8 Matt Ryan 32 59.9 Matt Stafford 33 57.1
The Lewin Projection System, for the unfamiliar, is a system devised to project a college quarterback's pro performance based on just two college stats: games started and completion percentage.The system, though built on a somewhat shaky foundation, has been reasonably successful since it was introduced in 2006. Because it doesn't move from causation to correlation, but correlation to causation, the reasons for its effectiveness are a bit speculative.
On paper this paints a bleak portrait of Stafford, but Barnwell makes a significant mistake. In 2007, Lewin adjusted his projection system to weight quarterbacks selected in the first sixteen picks more for games started, and quarterbacks taken in picks 17-64 more strongly for completion percentage. Ramsey, Plummer, King and Losman were selected 32nd, 42nd, 50th and 22nd. Assuming Stafford is taken in the top ten, and few dispute it, he's only true comparable on the list is Matt Ryan.
Barnwell attempts to explain away Ryan's presence by mentioning Boston College's poor run game and Ryan's very high attempts in his senior season. It's not a very strong argument. Attempts are dismissed by the Lewin Projection System. Ryan's abnormally high number of attempts should provide a truer portrait of Ryan's completion percentage, not a less accurate portrait, and predictably enough, Ryan's completion percentage in 2007 (59.3%) is very similar to his completion percentage in his first three seasons (60.1%) and his career completion percentage (59.9%).
He then begs the question:
Stafford was directly preceded at Georgia by the recently retired David Greene; both spent their entire college careers under head coach Mark Richt in similar offensive systems. Stafford's college numbers are actually worse than Greene's, with the latter completing 59 percent of his passes and averaging 8.01 yards per attempt to Stafford's 7.83. If Stafford was really a star in the making, wouldn't he have put up better numbers, in the same system, than a guy who washed out of the NFL without taking a professional snap? If it was our $25 million guaranteed, the answer would need to be yes.
As if Greene and Stafford played on perfectly similar teams against perfectly similar opponents. Despite that, it seems like a tough argument to refute if only because it's baffled by so enough qualifiers as to eliminate most comparisons. We need two pro prospects, both who played for the same coach, in the same offensive system and probably in the last ten to twenty years. One pairing springs readily to mind though: Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart. At USC, Leinart completed 64.8% of his passes for 8.59 yards per attempt. Directly preceding Leinart at USC, Palmer completed 59.1% of his passes for 7.53 yards per attempt. Palmer first started under Paul Hackett, and it was his worst season, but even under only Pete Carroll, his numbers are inferior to Leinart's: 61.3% completion percentage and 7.75 yards per attempt. One could then say, if Palmer was really a star in the making, wouldn't he put up better numbers, in the same system, than a guy stuck at backup after three seasons in the league? Well, you could, but it wouldn't be very compelling.
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Stafford scares me
I’m still not sure what I think of the guy, only that I think Seattle will draft him.
by John Morgan on Feb 16, 2009 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
Cutler seems like a much better comparison than Greene
Comparing Greene and Stafford is like comparing Pennington and Leftwich, it doesn’t make a lot of sense.
Jay Cutler: 17 starts, 59.7% completion percentage
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Nice.
Thanks, JM. I had read that this morning and was in danger of reaching negative conclusions about Stafford. I immediately wondered about the list of lame QBs sans Ryan, thinking it was a cherry-picked group. I’m glad to read this post and get some more balanced insight. I enjoyed the Palmer/Leinart parallel. I would hate to think that the 3rd-round rated QB in Greene could be used as a direct comparison to a potential #1 overall selection. Maybe arm strength is being overrated in Stafford’s case, however. I don’t think Stafford will be available when we pick..
The Lewin system must have a MASSIVE crush on Colt McCoy then.
37 starts to date, 70% career completion percentage.
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i have a massive crush on McCoy's girlfriend
just sayin.
Not sure if I remember who she is.
But isn’t she a senior on Baylor’s track team? If yes, she is pretty attractive, but also very slow.
Yeah, she is a stone cold fox.
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by Fearless Frog on Feb 16, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
One thing I detest about the Lewin system
is the lack of any type of improvement index for players. Take these completion percentages:
2006: 52.7%
2007: 55.7%
2008: 61. 4%
Or these YPA’s:
2006: 6.83
2007: 7.25
2008: 9.03
I remember watching Stafford play as a true freshman in the SEC. He was terrible, thrown to the wolves. The real question is whether the improvement he showed over 3 years in the SEC will translate, or if his inconsistency will reappear.
"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?" - Dr. Venture
Good point
All of the baseball projection systems use a weighting system with the most recent seasons weighted heavier than previous season. You’d think the Lewin system would especially benefit from that.
This all reminds me of a recent article in the New Yorker by Malcolm Gladwell, about the difficulties of predicting success. Essentially most of the article examines Missouri QB Chase Daniels, and how he is the stereotypical case of a successful college QB that may or may not succeed in the NFL.
Of all the positions that can be drafted, the QB is the hardest to evaluate. I’m optimistic Ruskell won’t draft a QB in the first round. Look at his history of drafting. All the way back to Tampa bay, as director of Pro Personnel, His teams have never drafted a QB higher than the third round. In fact, Ruskell loves the 3rd round QB draft picks (David Greene, Matt Schaub, Shaun King). You have to go back to 1994 , when Ruskell was the director of college scouting for the Bucs, who took Trent Dilfer in the first round.
That may be true, but...
How many times has Ruskell been involved picking this high in round one? The elite QBs go fast and once those guys are missed, the disparity between 2nd and 3rd round guys is not as great. Has he passed on a potentially elite QB when his team had a need at the position?
That's assuming if he perceives Stafford as potentially elite.
Or that we even have a need at QB.
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by Fearless Frog on Feb 17, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
He's only had one top ten pick since '95
and used that on a CB at number 8 in 2004 while Dir of Personnel at Atlanta. I have no idea what Atlanta’s QB situation was in 2004.

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