2009 Offseason Checklist, Part 1: Draft, Sign or Trade for a Developmental Quarterback
Matt Hasselbeck is signed through 2010. If Matt Hasselbeck plays well the next two seasons and wishes to re-sign, Seattle is faced with an unfavorable scenario. Hasselbeck will be 35. He will turn 36 at the start of the 2011 season. If he's not already in decline, he will be on the absolute cusp. It will be very unpopular to not re-sign Hasselbeck, and if we assume he plays well, the team will not be in position to take a top quarterback prospect. Seneca Wallace will be gone. The team could re-sign Hasselbeck for too much money and attempt to develop a mid-tier prospect, but few quality quarterbacks slip.
If Matt Hasselbeck plays well next season, but not in 2010, Seattle will be faced with an unfavorable scenario. Hasselbeck doesn't seem the type to play until the bitter end, and I think he would retire. Though a top overall quarterback will be in reach, that quarterback will probably have to start right away. Not only will he not play well, but the experience could arrest his development. Assuming it doesn't, Hasselbeck re-signs or the team acquires someone decent, it still puts Seattle in a tough spot. By 2011, much of its defensive talent will be peaking. Seattle will be rebuilding its offense just as its defense begins its peak.
If Matt Hasselbeck plays poorly next season, it's unlikely he plays well in 2010. It's unlikely he'll play in 2010. Even if Hasselbeck plays poorly in 2009, Seattle should rebound. Its defense will play better, the schedule is still easy, and the Cardinals will likely be worse. If Seattle finishes even 6-10 it could be out of the running for both Sam Bradford and Colt McCoy. Whatever quarterback Seattle takes, he will likely have to start in his first season, if not right away, at some point in the season. The defense will be on the up, but the offense will be just beginning.
If Seattle acquires a quarterback, and the pickings are slim, it will enter 2011 with a defense entering its prime, a payroll free of Hasselbeck and Patrick Kerney, and a quarterback beginning his third season with Seattle. If all goes well, it will be reentering its window of contention. But who?
Brian Brohm: Brohm is super cheap and at just twenty three, a complete wildcard. Green Bay signed Aaron Rodgers to a six year, 65 million dollar contract last season. Formerly a top prospect, Brohm wants to start. The trick is convincing Green Bay into a trading a super-cheap, young and talented quarterback. The Packers used their 56th overall selection to take Brohm, if Seattle is interested, their third round pick could be enough.
Matt Cassel: New England franchised Cassel. Right now, he's due 14.65 million dollars in 2009. New England may retain Cassel as Brady insurance, but it's more likely they attempt to sign him and then flip him to another team for a quality draft pick or picks. As an established NFL starter, he will command a lot in the way of trade. He'll also be pretty expensive. Most importantly though, there's a compelling case he just isn't that good. He ranked 37th in Air Yards. That means most of his value was tied to receiver run after the catch. That's not coming to Seattle, nor is Randy Moss. For all the talk about the Patriot's success as a team, the Cassel led passing offense dropped from historically good to middle of the pack. Cassel will be 27 before the start of next season, is already a four year veteran, will be expensive and probably tops out at average.
Derek Anderson: Cleveland signed Anderson to a 3 year, $24 million dollar contract in 2008. He proceeded to have an awful season on a hyper-talented offense before being benched. Anderson was never much of a prospect and never looked good before 2007. As I once told someone who asked me if we sold lotto tickets, give me a buck and I'll give you a one in a billion chance to win.
If I'm not missing anyone, that's about all who's available outside the draft. Seattle is in a good position to draft the top overall quarterback, and historically, the top overall quarterback has yielded the best results, but since we've already talked Stafford to death (and simultaneously not even begun to talk Stafford) let's talk about the other talents Seattle could target. Not a judgment on Sanchez, but it just seems exceedingly unlikely.
Second Tier Talent
Josh Freeman played against a super softball schedule and against even a semi-tough opponent, the wheels fell of. Freemen is super young and has the all-important/actually not that important combination of giant arm and prototypical height. A product of an awful class, thought to have a high ceiling by people who ignore everything but arm strength and more likely a bust than almost any player projected to be drafted in the first day.
Third Tier Talent
It's hard to say exactly who this is. At the moment, it's something like: everyone else.
So Seattle's in an unenviable position. An expensive, aged quarterback on the downslide, a defense built to breakout in the next few years, and a top five draft pick with only one quarterback worthy of it. One isn't a lot of options. Seattle could punt, grab the best talent available and ignore a monster need at quarterback, or even hope a third tier player somehow becomes more, but that doesn't so much solve the need as procrastinate and potentially make the need more dire. Without a top quarterback, the team isn't anywhere near contention. Top quarterbacks tend to come from the first round. It seems like a huge risk.
Consider this, if Michael Crabtree is a very good player, like Larry Fitzgerald good since everyone is obsessing over that comparison, his contribution is still not enough to make Seattle a contender in 2009. Fitzgerald had only 58 catches for 780 yards his rookie season. Seattle's offense is not a very good wide receiver from greatness. Its line is spotty, its running backs average, and its receiving corps dependent on Deion Branch's health. The defense should rebound, but not from garbage to the 2000 Baltimore Ravens. This team just isn't likely a contender in 2009.
Hasselbeck is 36 in 2010, and even if the rest of the team emerges, is going to be bad. The team is either going to run out a way-past-his-prime Hasselbeck, a rookie, or a quarterback entering his second season. Not to break hearts, but contention isn't likely in either of Seattle's next two seasons. If the team selects Matthew Stafford, he'll probably be given about four seasons to play poorly before the team moves on without him. New GM, new coaching staff - it could happen in three.
Quarterbacks are given too much credit for wins and too much blame for losses. Part of the reason highly drafted quarterbacks struggle, play for losing ball clubs and wash out of the league is that the teams that draft them are very bad to begin with. Part of the reason Atlanta took off under Matt Ryan is that their offense was already very talented. Part of the reason Joe Flacco is considered a success is that the Baltimore Ravens were already likely to bounce back (as predicted by Football Outsiders). Stafford may not be the bridge from losing to contention, but the team is rebuilding with or without him. If he flops, the team is out another year or two. If the team refuses to draft him because of fear of failure, well, there's no sign of when Seattle will be competitive again.
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Thank you.
Great work. I LOVE this stuff.
It seems you don’t have much belief in MH being able to play into his later years, while there are plenty of examples of quarterbacks having success at ages 35+. Warner, Moon, Garcia (to some extent) just to name some. Why do you think Hasselbeck is going to decline so rapidly? If he were to overcome his back ailment (I know, no easy task, as I suffer from back problems, too, and am not an athlete) could he not conceivably play at a fairly high level until, say, age 38? I realize that Matt’s stats have eroded over the past couple of seasons and that injuries have been a big factor – but not the only one. What’s to say Matt doesn’t enjoy a similar amount of success in his later years as some other (aging) QBs have?
by Misfit74 on Feb 17, 2009 3:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It's pretty exceptional
I just don’t think a team should expect it. I don’t think Seattle should even expect Hasselbeck to continue playing after 2010.
by John Morgan on Feb 17, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if I had a vote I'd vote Stafford or Brohm.
Either that or tank next season (if our first 4 games go poorly) and get McCoy.
by LantermanC on Feb 17, 2009 3:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'd prefer Stafford over Brohm. Brohm is another small-armed, WCO, no-deep-ball type like we have.
Maybe Brohm will be the better player, I don’t know, but wouldn’t it be fun to have a deep-passing game for a change?
by Misfit74 on Feb 17, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, not really.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Feb 17, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure which will be better.
But I do know that Brohm = 3rd round pick probably and $1 million per year. Stafford = 1st round pick and $10 million per year.
by LantermanC on Feb 17, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is Brohm even a 3rd round pick?
The guy’s third on the GB depth chart.
by djafrot on Feb 17, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He got beat out by 5th round pick Matt Flynn.
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Feb 17, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just going by what JM said.
Also, he was a late 2nd last year, so using a similar value is fairly safe I think.
by LantermanC on Feb 17, 2009 5:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I Wanted Brohm Last Year
And I’d be thrilled if we could get him this year. I like Stafford, but is he demonstratively better than Brohm? It sounds like we can get the latter at a cheaper price, plus…..we could draft Crabtree to boot. That scenario overjoys me.
by J.L. White on Feb 17, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet Jesus, yes
Ruskell, I hope you’re reading this.
by aerozeppelin on Feb 17, 2009 5:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
idle thought
This may come out convoluted on paper, but is there a chance to trade out of the #4 pick and acquire additional 2010 picks? If so, those picks could place the team in a position next year to trade up if they feel that QB class is better? I’m certainly not advocating that, just wondering aloud if that’s even a consideration.
Yeah, that seems like too many assumptions to base a draft strategy on, but I wonder how many moves ahead GM’s think… They may not have the luxury of chess scenarios like that.
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by phil26687 on Feb 17, 2009 3:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I advocated this before.
And we’ve discussed it fairly extensively, but there just aren’t many trades of teams going up to the 4th pick. Trades between 2 and 4 and 1 and 4, but not from 10 to 4 or even 7 to 4.
I’m not sure if it’s because teams aren’t willing to get out of the top 5 unless they’re bowled over, or if most teams just don’t care that much about ‘top tier talent’. By this I mean I’m not sure if there are few trades because teams won’t drop down from 4 to 10 unless they get a 2nd rounder, 3rd rounder and next year’s 2nd, or if no teams feel the urgent need to give up picks to move up 5 spots because they have 3 or 4 guys that they are looking at, and they don’t want to give up picks and pay more for someone they’re not even sold is that much better.
by LantermanC on Feb 17, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
excellent points
but I wonder if the dearth of QB talent might force a (more) desperate team to move up because of the huge drop-off from #1 to #3 at the position.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace R.I.P.
by phil26687 on Feb 17, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The lack of talent is the case throughout the pool. The top of the list is weak as well.
Why pay absolute top dollar (and lose value in later picks) for someone who is not a guaranteed success?
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by abender20 on Feb 17, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is there such a thing as guaranteed success?
by diehard82 on Feb 17, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No. I should have written "for someone who has a very high likelihood of success".
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by abender20 on Feb 17, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good points as well.
Most people aren’t as sold on Stafford, and there are 3 or 4 LTs that could go in the top 15. People seem to be questioning Malcom Jenkins, the top DB and whether or not he can stay at CB.
As opposed to last year when Jake Long and Chris Long looked like can’t miss prospects. People were leery of Matt Ryan, but not as much as they were Stafford. Glenn Dorsey and Sedrick Ellis were top picks as well. They went 5 and 7, BJ Raji, who might go top 10, certainly isn’t in their class, so that pretty much indicates how much weaker this draft might be.
Sometimes classes are just weaker, and that pushes guys like Alex Smith, a guy who would’ve been the 4th QB taken in the next year’s draft, to number one overall.
by LantermanC on Feb 17, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
According to ESPN
Culpepper’s deal is restructured. Whatever that means. More likely that Stafford falls to 4?
by LantermanC on Feb 17, 2009 3:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Culpepper's presence has much effect
He’s not a long-term solution.
Though I guess it does give them a year to play with, should they feel that Stafford’s not their man.
The thing that gets me is that Stafford WANTS to play in Detroit.
by djafrot on Feb 17, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would love to be the starting quarterback for the Seahawks whilst being paid millions.
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by abender20 on Feb 17, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to be the 3rd string QB for any team
while being paid millions.
by LantermanC on Feb 17, 2009 5:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Getting a developmental QB is THE need of this offseason
Good write up, John. I also agree about the 2009 Crabtree impact and am glad you posted about it.
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by crushedoptimist on Feb 17, 2009 4:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I really don't like how forced it all seems.
Maybe it’s just a product of poor planning at the position but this is exactly how teams get themselves in trouble. Passing on Stafford could jeopardize the Seahawks future in the way you outlined, but taking him and having him fail would not only lock us onto that path it’d rob us of an Everette Brown or Michael Crabtree. Forcing the pick on a risky player doesn’t do anything to make up for their past mistakes, it just throws good money after bad.
Quarterbacks are given too much credit for wins and too much blame for losses. Part of the reason highly drafted quarterbacks struggle, play for losing ball clubs and wash out of the league is that the teams that draft them are very bad to begin with.
So build a team and give the right guy a chance to succeed.
by Nate Dogg on Feb 17, 2009 5:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
John Beck?
Is he a possibility? He is probably on the outs in Miami and I know he is old for a developing quarterback but he was an ok prospect coming out in 07, right?
by laubster on Feb 17, 2009 6:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the great write up.
I still don’t like drafting a QB in the first though. I just don’t trust Sanchez or Stafford. However, I think you’ve sold me on Brohm. Since he’s third on the depth chart for the packers, and Aaron Rodgers seems to have not fallen all over his face in his first year starting, I wouldn’t be surprised if they were willing to trade Brohm. Brohm would certainly be quite happy to accept the trade. And if we get him for a 3rd or, better yet, a 4th round pick I would be ecstatic. A cheap pick up that can’t really do any damage and keeps our bases covered for the year after. If Hasslebeck does well (and Brohm looks bad) we can grab a 1st round QB next year. If both do well, we can do whatever we want next year and arn’t hamstrung at all. If Hasslebeck fails, Brohm can get a chance to start (allowing our 1st round pick to get some practice time).
Yup, I’m now sold that that’s the action we need to take.
by Fear on Feb 17, 2009 8:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
After all this, me too.
Something scares me that GB’s 5th rounder beat him out on the depth chart… BUT… you’re right overall, especially assuming we can get him for a 4th round this year.
The guy is not only smart and built for the WCO, he’s now got a year of practice time in the system. Assuming we let Frye go, there’s a spot at QB where Brohm can at least challenge Wallace for the #2 role (and if not, he’s still going to get practice reps). He’ll also come cheap for at least a couple of years, though surely he’d have incentives in his contract for starting.
The real bonus to this kind of situation is us keeping our three high 2009 picks, which can be used for any combination of OT, WR, DT, CB, whatever. If we deal for Brohm and somehow neither him or Hass work out we’ll almost certainly have a top 10 pick next year with what looks like at least two high QB picks available, while having already drafted potential long-term starters at WR and LT who at that point will have a year of experience under their belt.
This certainly seems preferable to rolling the dice on Stafford when he doesn’t – at first glance – to be that much better for us than Brohm.
by djafrot on Feb 18, 2009 1:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Flynn was a 7th rounder
And Brohm was SO bad in the preseason last year…
His stock is dow jones low
by dlinsley on Feb 18, 2009 5:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Amen brotha!
I am perhaps the crazy man who still loves the step child… must be the devastation of seeing his image as Jim Plunkett [cringe]. Such a sweet sidestep followed by cannon… lower level of competition or no, Sanchez is my date for April. Like high school, I will expect to be left solo. Oh well…
It is what it is...
by kidder95 on Feb 17, 2009 10:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
What is this!? Nobody believes in Charlie Frye?
by Ezzra on Feb 18, 2009 2:19 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Err...
Is there reason we should?
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Feb 18, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What about our core players
Trufant, Kerney, Peterson, Locklear, Jones, Branch, Grant
Every one of these players, except for Locklear, is going to be on the wrong side of 30 or approaching it by the time Stafford starts assuming it is 2010 or 2011.
Not only that, we are doling out tons of money for all of them, and the contracts will only get heavier and heavier as time goes on.
So what do we do then? We run the risk of our best current players washing out due to us deciding to rebuild our team. If Hasselbeck CAN play now, I think we have to ride it out for the next year or two.
When do we get our elite LT to help Stafford? If we can’t get a top 5 QB next year, we aren’t going to be able to get a top 5 LT either. What about Peterson and Kerney? We just let them play and rack up stats in the twilight of their prime years?
I just don’t see what Stafford will have going for him in our situation by the time 2010 or 2011 comes around. Jones won’t be there, we have no lock at the guard positions, we’ll have an aging defensive end with an injury history who we are shelling out millions to. We’ll have Trufant hitting 30 years old with 2 unproven corners behind him.
I see 2011 with Stafford as us still rebuilding if that’s the route we go. Will we start to be in a better position because of him? Probably, but is Stafford THEE can’t miss QB of this decade? Or even close? I don’t know, but I haven’t heard that hype around him yet. Plus, what do we have to surround him with. An even more aging Branch? No offensive line? No elite WR talent? No elite RB talent?
I think our team has alot of strengths, and if we are paying Hass the money we are paying him, and are planning on riding him until we can’t, I don’t think it’s worth it right now to pull the trigger in the top 5 on Stafford.
Let's go.
by J Hens on Feb 18, 2009 10:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sign Jeff Garcia.
Between him and Hasselbeck you would have a healthy veteran for all 19 games. Giving us the ability to win now.
Cogito Ergo Sum
by censor1979 on Feb 18, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No thank you.
His ego couldn’t handle not starting and a whining backup QB with limited ability is not something we need to waste cap-room on. I don’t think Garcia is an upgrade from Seneca all that much, either.
by Misfit74 on Feb 18, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know?
He would be insanely cheap this year. and we might be able to pick up a 5th rounder for Wallace.
Cogito Ergo Sum
by censor1979 on Feb 19, 2009 4:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just think an elite OL is the way to go
Alot of benefits to me.
1. It’s been our weakness since 2006.
2. Will help protect our Quarterback.
3. Walter Jones is out of his prime and won’t get any better based on history.
4. We’ll have no elite OL when Stafford/Hasselbeck is starting, unless that is the direction we go in free agency or the draft in the next 2 off seasons.
5. We will be able to put him on other positions throughout the line if Jones is still able to play at a good level. And likely be able to put him in more immediately than a QB if Jones is unable to play.
6. It will improve our running game.
7. In a timing offense, it will improve our passing game right?
I don’t know. I just don’t see how we can pass this up. There’s no doubt an elite QB can help our team in the future, but I just don’t think this is the year. I think we still have 1 or 2 years left with this team to try and do something, otherwise why are we spending so much to retain aging players?
Let's go.
by J Hens on Feb 18, 2009 10:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
You missed Rhett Bohmar, out of Sam Houstoun State. The guy is a dark horse, I think he’ll be real big in the NFL on the right team.
by Hawkwiz on Feb 20, 2009 8:24 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

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