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Seattle Seahawks Franchise Leroy Hill

The Seattle Seahawks have franchised Leroy Hill. The tag costs Seattle 8.3 million, but is really just a precursor to a long-term deal. The move gives Seattle leverage in negotiations and will eventually save Seattle money. How much Seattle eventually pays Leroy Hill and especially how Seattle plays Hill will determine if franchising Hill is the right move or the wrong move.

Your opinion of this decision probably turns on two factors: how much Seattle actually signs Hill for, and your opinion of the linebacker position. If you think the thumping bullies behind the line are building block players and not easily replaced, then locking up one that is young and productive seems natural. If, instead, you think of linebacker somewhat like the defensive equivalent of the running back, highly dependent on the play of the line, overvalued for its contributions against the run and undervalued for its contributions against the pass, and reasonably fungible, then this move might seem a bit alarming.

I think Hill is a talented young player, but I also think Seattle could have satisfactorily replaced him with the talent they have. If Seattle uses Hill more as a pass rusher, like they did in 2005, his value skyrockets. He's not DeMarcus Ware, but he's not as far off as people think. The greatest thing that separates the two is opportunity. Hill has exceptional ability to move through traffic, is a fierce tackler and has the kind of closing burst that turns pressure into sacks and sacks into forced fumbles. As a Tampa 2 style linebacker, Hill is sub par, a good run defender, but bad enough in coverage to offset it, but as a zone blitz style linebacker, one who defends the run, plays some zone, but is regularly sent on blitzes, Hill could be a beast.

This contract turns on that decision. Seattle has signed an impressive set of defensive minds. Coaches from many schools that are rebuilding the defense from the playbook up. The last two seasons Seattle has become complacent, overly reliant on Julian Peterson as a pass rusher, and, especially in 2008, fixed to vanilla pressure packages and full-house style blitzes at exactly the wrong time. So it's up to Jim Mora, Gus Bradely and Seattle's defensive brain trust to make me believe in this contract. Unleash Hill...

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And you'll have a happy fan.

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I LOL'd at that graphic.

Can someone put up a gif of a sweet Hill blitz, something to take the pain away from too many viewings of BRuss’s painful offerings?

by djafrot on Feb 19, 2009 12:49 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

They better agree to something soon

Because we can’t take an 8 mil cap hit and re-sign Willis and Weaver. I sure am interested in what this WC defense will be.

by Hawqz on Feb 19, 2009 12:59 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Actually

With Duckett & Schmitt on the roster, I don’t think Weaver’s on the Seahawk’s radar much – and neither does his agent

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."

- David Foster Wallace R.I.P.

by phil26687 on Feb 19, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

I think Weaver’s gone. With the running game that Knapp probably wants, we’ll need someone with a bit more grit in the blocking game. I can see us actually signing a veteran blocking FB.

by djafrot on Feb 19, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That sucks.

I love Weaver. he’s great for short dump off passes, is a fairly good blocker, and I think an underrated runner as well. And obviously he can hit a home run every once in a while, as he showed in the SF game.

by LantermanC on Feb 19, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Fairly good blocker?

He’s flawless. At pass protection, at least. I still hate how he’s going to leave and beast somewhere else as a versatile rusher, blocker, and possible TE.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 19, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, he is a good pass blocker.

Run blocker, not quite as good as far as I can tell.

by djafrot on Feb 20, 2009 1:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I've been a fan of Weave's ever since he came to Seattle.

I’d like to see him stay, but I’d love to see him get a great deal with a team…hopefully not in our division. I’m looking forward to Schmitt’s emergence .

"It's just one big guy against another big guy, both teams know what's at stake. The one of them comes out on top and it feels good."
-Chris Collinsworth, Madden 09

by Wayward Llama on Feb 20, 2009 1:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

To lazy to look back at the last 3-4 post

Are we now an Aaron Curry away from an insane 3-4?

by Justise on Feb 19, 2009 12:59 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Haha, half our salary cap would be at LB...

5-6 for Lofa
8.5 for JP
6-8.5 for Hill
At LEAST that for a fourth round pick.

Total: At least 34 million at LB.

by djafrot on Feb 19, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That would be a very nice quadruplet of linebackers.

But I think our Line would be way undersized for it. If anything, if we moved to a 3-4, we’d have to move Tapp or LJ to LB, since they’re more of the Suggs Merriman type.
And as JM has said, I’m not sure our defense really fits the 3-4 model with our current players.

by LantermanC on Feb 19, 2009 2:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

...and a nose tackle,

and different DC and adequate safety play…

by Dukeshire on Feb 19, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Kerney would become the final linebacker.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 19, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder

How the team will scheme to it’s personnel this year. I’m very interested now about who’ll replace Bernard (if he goes). Will we have the DL play required to free up our wealth at LB to be brutally effective?

by Misfit74 on Feb 19, 2009 1:28 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Good write-up, John

I cringe to think of Hill in passing situations, because he just got owned last year. I really hope the new defense mixes up looks more appropriately to take advantage of the quality of a downhill player he is, instead of being somewhat cookie-cutter and predictable.

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Feb 19, 2009 1:32 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Great writeup JM.

I really like the running back = linebacker analogy. It’s something I didn’t think of and is a great way to look at it (not necessarily correct, but seems to me like it could be).

by LantermanC on Feb 19, 2009 2:30 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Great writeup and perspective, and a great analogy, although I’m on the other side of the coin, I don’t see LB as fungible. Or RB for that matter.

Let me clarify. The availability of talent, the average aptitude of talent, and the demands of the position make those positions definitely the most replaceable on their respective sides of the ball. On the other hand, a difference making player at the position is not fungible, especially at RB. I concede that our defensive approach does make LBs less important than the Parcells & LeBeau schools.

by jacobstevens on Feb 19, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm much more encouraged by this after hearing Mora and Bradley talk about a "West Coast Defense"

Like you said, if they’re willing to tailor a defense to the personal then Hill should start living up to some of the lofty expectations people had for him

by Nate Dogg on Feb 19, 2009 5:43 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Ohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseoh....

give me a defense worth cheering for, something fresh and worthey of the talent we DO posess. What about a 3-3 defense and taylor mays for a third safety i wonder? You don’t see many 3-3’s these days it seems.

2/3 of the world is covered by water. The rest is covered by Marcus Trufant.

by Chickadee on Feb 19, 2009 5:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Mays?

What year are you imagining that happens?

by cashless on Feb 19, 2009 6:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

WHOOOPS

Patrick Chung, I dont know what happened to my brain

2/3 of the world is covered by water. The rest is covered by Marcus Trufant.

by Chickadee on Feb 19, 2009 8:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Man, I'm excited for the D now.

This ensures we’ll be able to see how Hill fits in with our redone D now. Still hope this doesn’t put a clamp on resigning Willis or Weaver or something.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 19, 2009 6:35 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I would love to see a post about our DT options (again).

The NFP had a nice article on FA DTs, and it doesn’t look really promising beyond the big fish Haynesworth for a compliment to Mebane.

Any interest in Sen’Derrick Marks as a possible 2nd-3rd round replacement for Rocky?

by Misfit74 on Feb 19, 2009 6:45 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I like Hood a lot...

the board just may not fall the way we want. There isn’t much after him though. With only 3 picks we may really be focused on the FA market, which is then, as others have pointed out. I will say this, there is probably a diamond or two in the rough among the undrafted free agents. Once you get past the top 2-3 guys, not much talent will separate some of the guys that get drafted from those who don’t. So, if we scout well we could luck up on a useful player in the undrafted FA market.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Feb 20, 2009 5:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

edit...
we may really be focused on the FA market, which is then

I meant to say, “… which is thin…”

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Feb 20, 2009 5:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think he will be a great DT.

Sen’Derrick Marks seems like a 3 Tech in the making. Obviously, I have only seen little of him because youtube has failed him. After seeing the guy from San Jose State jump out of a pool, I am intrigued but that is exactly the type of player who Ruskell won’t take a flyer on. The guy is a beast. There is a picture of him lifting a bar full of weights and 3 teammates trying to lift what he lifted. Pretty impressive.

by Built2Spill on Feb 19, 2009 7:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The question remains

Was our utter lacking of pass rushing in 08 the cause for our secondary’s deficiencies?

I’m not convinced we’re “done” with our defense. I’d be MUCH more comfortable with Russell was replaced with a better player for our new schemes (assuming we don’t return to the schemes from 07 when he was fairly effective).

by Nick Andron on Feb 20, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Crap

This was supposed to be a reply to Fearless Frog:

Man, I’m excited for the D now.

This ensures we’ll be able to see how Hill fits in with our redone D now. Still hope this doesn’t put a clamp on resigning Willis or Weaver or something.

by Nick Andron on Feb 20, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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