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Seahawks Face Cap Squeeze

So, yeah, I'm feeling better and hope to get this blog thriving again.

Ask The Commish does a pretty good job at predicting the salary cap. It currently projects Seattle at just 9 million under the cap, 26th in the league. Around this time last season, Seattle was shedding some players, replacement level linebackers with name recognition, bits and pieces like Ellis Wyms, Judas Brown (Josh Iscariot?), and some folks were freaking out. My response: quit your bitchin', because the worst is yet to come.

Well the worst has arrived and if Seattle wants money enough to sign its first round selection, it will need to spare the sympathy and sharpen the machete. And if Seattle wants true cap relief, it will need to get out from under one of its big boy contracts: Matt Hasselbeck, Walter Jones, Julian Peterson, Deon Grant or Patrick Kerney. Who would you cut?

Star-divide

This is why you don't sign Brian Russell and Jordan Babineaux to multimillion dollar contracts when a undrafted free agent could perform at a similar level.

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I'd cut Deon Grant first,

but other than him, I don’t know if any of them are expendable.

by SeaTownBlueDevil on Feb 2, 2009 2:16 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Cutting the team's only worthwhile safety may not be a good idea.

I cut Walter if he isn’t going to make a full recovery, and Kerney certainly hits the road.

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by abender20 on Feb 2, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Trade a probowler that we dont need anymore?

sounds really Bill Belichek. I like it.

2/3 of the world is covered by water. The rest is covered by Marcus Trufant.

by Chickadee on Feb 2, 2009 4:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I would hope that if his knee wasn;t good enough to play on

Big Walt would just retire and not make the Seahawks look like the biggest cocks around for cutting him.

"It's just one big guy against another big guy, both teams know what's at stake. The one of them comes out on top and it feels good."
-Chris Collinsworth, Madden 09

by Wayward Llama on Feb 2, 2009 6:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh my fucking god

I don’t care how good Kerney or Grant can still be, please don’t cut Walt.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 2, 2009 8:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If Walter doesn't recover fully from microfracture surgery (and the odds are slim that he will)

he likely becomes the least productive player on that list. Sometimes you have to set nostalgia aside in order to build a roster.

by BrianL on Feb 2, 2009 9:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If there was a time for Ruskell to go into full on dick-mode.

He would have franchised Hutch and fed Alexander to the FA dogs.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 2, 2009 9:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

Fuck any emotional ties and cut off the dead weight. That said, I’d only cut Walt if we went OT with our first pick.

by SeaTownBlueDevil on Feb 3, 2009 5:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

when you have a future HOFer who spend his whole career on your team, you should never cut him.

like Wayward Llama said, if the injury is severe enough to inhibit any playing time, hopefully, he would just retire.

by aerozeppelin on Feb 2, 2009 11:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

in that case Hasselbeck, Jones, and Kearny

tough call, but start with the players that can’t finish a season first. If, on the other hand, they appear to be fully recovered, I’d reconsider keeping them. But that’s inside info i won’t know.

by B.B.Finnegan on Feb 2, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I wanna keep Beck for at least one more season

If only to draft a QB to get ready. Beck has mentor capabilities. I’m Cut Peterson, not sign Hill, and keep Kerney.

2/3 of the world is covered by water. The rest is covered by Marcus Trufant.

by Chickadee on Feb 2, 2009 4:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not a cap expert, but ...

At this point, wouldn’t a restructure of Branch, Peterson and/or both clear more cap space than cutting either outright?

I also read somewhere that because of the way the deal was structured, we could clear space by cutting Wahle … which makes some sense if you figure he won’t be an ideal fit in a shift to a zone blocking scheme.

by jteckmann on Feb 2, 2009 2:48 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Cut Kerney and Walter.

Restructure Peterson and Hasselbeck.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phildopip on Feb 2, 2009 2:51 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

That could work.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phildopip on Feb 2, 2009 8:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Cut thoughts:

1.Russell, regardless of cap-number
2.Babs, unless a very low number
3.Duckett (Schmitt to replace)
4.Jones and draft a 2nd round RB
5.Lose Weaver (Schmitt to replace)
6.Restructure JP and/or Walt
7.Cut Kerney if we have to (since we have LoJack and Tapp, at least)

by Misfit74 on Feb 2, 2009 2:54 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Leaving the team with...

Only Deon Grant and Jamar Adams at safety, only Forsett on the roster as a running back, only Schmitt as a fullback (probably fine).

This leaves leaves the team with way too many holes to fill through a draft.

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by abender20 on Feb 2, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It would be nice to know the exact ramifications for cutting each...

…considering guaranteed money, lengths of contract, and the such.

I hate dead cap space.

There’s also the injury factor, with Hass, Jones and Kerney all nursing boo-boo’s that may limit their effectiveness. Cutting guys later may help in figuring out just who’s ready to go.

by djafrot on Feb 2, 2009 3:04 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Right off the top,

seems like you can get rid of; Duckett, Wahl, Russell. Restructure JP, and Walter. And while that I thinking of it, didn’t Ruskell say they were in a good cap situation?

by Dukeshire on Feb 2, 2009 3:19 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

you're not

he reminds me of the Terminator. what is his cap number like? it’s gotta be less than $2m right?

by cro-mag! on Feb 2, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I just don't see his value with Weaver on the roster.

Now, if they don’t resign Weaver, and that is very possible, Duckett stays.

by Dukeshire on Feb 2, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Duckett did alot for us this year,

Check out his short yardage TDs and conversions and you’ll see he’s a keeper for the money we pay him, I say Diesel stays.

2/3 of the world is covered by water. The rest is covered by Marcus Trufant.

by Chickadee on Feb 2, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Again, this is pending the resign of Weaver,

but I don’t care for redundancy on the roster. I believe Weaver can do what Duckett does and he provides more versatility. I just don’t see out of Duckett things a capable fullback cannot provide.

by Dukeshire on Feb 2, 2009 4:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There's no redundancy

Check the situational stats – Duckett was a huge success in the exact same role (short yardage conversions) that Weaver was spotty in the past two seasons. And this was with a HC who was really unsure of how to effectively utilize or platoon him – Duckett also has a track record that indicates he can be more than just a short-yardage specialist.

I love Weaver as much as the next fan … but as much as we want to project traits onto him, he is not a move the pile power RB. He is a converted TE that has made a nice adjustment to FB and improved greatly in in his pass-pro & lead blocking. But his offensive potential lies in his pass-catching, not his rushing.

Instead of picking one over the other, IMO we should be looking forward to the potential of a Weaver/Duckett backfield getting some reps next year.

by jteckmann on Feb 2, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I know this is a small sample,

but Weaver was 10 for 13 in converting 3rd and less than three in ’07. With Schmitt on the roster, I would much prefer a Schmitt / Weaver. IMO

by Dukeshire on Feb 2, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You're not. I love the blue bowling ball

I like Weaver, always have, but in short yardage he’s not nearly as good as Duckett.

"It's just one big guy against another big guy, both teams know what's at stake. The one of them comes out on top and it feels good."
-Chris Collinsworth, Madden 09

by Wayward Llama on Feb 2, 2009 6:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Duckett is fine

But I really don’t see anything he does that Weaver can’t. Plus, Weaver is much, MUCH more versatile and awesome.

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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 2, 2009 9:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It bugs me too that people think Weavers can do what Duckett does

Duckett is the only guy on this team last year who could get it done on 3rd and short, 4th and short, and goal line situations. I think he is worth keeping around just for that. Weaver is not nearly as reliable as Duckett in short yardage. He does not move the pile, he does not somehow get it done like Duckett does. I love Weaver, but Duckett has a use until someone shows they are as consistent in short yardage.

by Surf Hawk on Feb 2, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Duckett is also the only one who got the ball in those situations.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 2, 2009 10:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I see no reason to cut Duckett.

Russell, Kerney, and Wahl go in that order if we need the cap space.

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by BrettJMiller on Feb 2, 2009 10:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, Russell should go either way...

I’m kind of disappointed that we haven’t seen much movement yet.

"It's just one big guy against another big guy, both teams know what's at stake. The one of them comes out on top and it feels good."
-Chris Collinsworth, Madden 09

by Wayward Llama on Feb 3, 2009 2:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not high on T.J. Duckett, although he may as well stay one more season as a short-yardage ...

third-down running back. Instead of overpaying to retain Leonard Weaver, though, I’d rather have Tim Ruskell sign a veteran blocking fullback (e.g., Tony Richardson) to mentor Owen Schmitt for one year.

by AK1984 on Feb 3, 2009 12:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder what Burleson's cap number is?

He could be a candidate for restructure, but maybe not cut. He has a large contract, 49mil? Or am I crazy. ..

by Misfit74 on Feb 2, 2009 3:30 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Burleson's #'s

Burleson is being paid 3.25 million next year, base salary plus bonus. The 49 million is part of the “poison pill” inserted into his contract. If he were to play 5 or more games in a season in Minnesota, then the contract becomes guaranteed.

by PattyB on Feb 2, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not too good of a situation...

JP counts 7.3 million against the cap this upcoming season? Mike Wahle has a 5 year contract totaling 20 million? Anyone know how much longer (and how much) we will be paying Shaun Alexander?

Duckett is earning 7.1 million over the first two years of his contract, which is 5 years long, we should keep him.

This offseason is going to be interesting. I just read today that the Cardinals stand at 40 million under the cap next season.

by PattyB on Feb 2, 2009 3:31 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

cap numbers!

Here’s Mike Wahle’s contract details: http://www2.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=721829

Here’s Duckett’s #’s: http://blogs.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2008/03/10/t_j_duckett_s_contract

And Arizona’s cap # came from a number of places, but is also in the link in this article: http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp

by PattyB on Feb 2, 2009 7:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

man

How is that possible? They have so many high draft picks in the past several years to pay..I guess they’re going to have a lot of upcoming FA’s hitting the market.

"It's just one big guy against another big guy, both teams know what's at stake. The one of them comes out on top and it feels good."
-Chris Collinsworth, Madden 09

by Wayward Llama on Feb 2, 2009 5:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

They have a lot of people unhappy with their contracts, Boldin, Dockett, all locked up relatively cheaply. Warner’s gonna garner huge money because he’s hitting the free agent market, but with so much cap room, the Cards can lock up a lot of their players and also go after some big FA’s.

Can you imagine the Card’s with an Albert Haynesworth, pairing with Dockett for the line interior. A scary thought indeed.

Edgerrin James is likely gone, saving some room and space. They need to improve their running game (if they feel like it) and some aspects of their defense, and they certainly have the cap room to do it, 41 million!!

But the scariest thing of all this…. Larry Fitzgerald is only 25…

by PattyB on Feb 2, 2009 7:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

From that that list I'd probably cut Kerney.

I think Hasselbeck gets the starting job next season and a chance to show if he can bounce back. Grant and Peterson still played well in ‘08, so I can’t see either of them being cut and I don’t know what to think about Walter Jones.

Some people that I think will be cut: Whale, Russell, Kerney and maybe Julius Jones.

by MFAN on Feb 2, 2009 3:32 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I've been concerned about this as well

Depending on how the team feels about Jones’ microfracture surgery, that would probably be the first place I would look, with Kerney being second (with the nice emergence of Tapp last year, and Atkins playing passable, we have a semblance of depth there). I think how the draft plays out will predicate some of the decision making here too. A lot of restructuring needs to happen. I’d try to have a lot of players restructure to get their money next year (when it will probably be an uncapped season… if I remember the timing correctly).

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by crushedoptimist on Feb 2, 2009 3:49 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Ugh

What a horrible year to have the #4 pick.

I think you have to consider Walter the most likely on that list, Kerney would be the most expendable but the D-line looks horrible without him.

  • Tapp
  • Mebane
  • Red
  • LoJack

Ugh

by Justise on Feb 2, 2009 3:56 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I agree

In 2 years I’m thinking that line could be very very dominate, but for now, thats 1 red shirt freshman (red bryant) a sophmore (LoJack) and a somewhat situational pass rusher with a weakness against the run.

Compare to

  • LoJack
  • Mebane
  • Haynesworth
  • Kerney

and it just seems like next years line could be on opposite ends of the spectrum.

by Justise on Feb 2, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, of course, compared to that.

May as well not even consider Haynesworth. There’s no possible way we can afford him.

"It's just one big guy against another big guy, both teams know what's at stake. The one of them comes out on top and it feels good."
-Chris Collinsworth, Madden 09

by Wayward Llama on Feb 2, 2009 5:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

More cap space?

  I would cut Jennings, Burly, Kearney, and anybody else that is not able to play halfway thru training camp (or dam close to it) – And we don’t resign Hill - resign Bobby, Willis, Weaver and maybe one other cheap startere - Tubbs if he is still on the books

by BUSTINHEADS on Feb 2, 2009 4:20 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

tubbs!

Tubbs? You must be joking, in that case, lol.

by paul2 on Feb 2, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

"lol" has made it's way to FG?

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by BrettJMiller on Feb 2, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully it's only a quick visit.

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by abender20 on Feb 3, 2009 9:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This hurts to say so bad, but… Big Walt has to go. I feel like a real heel, but we need to get younger. After that, so long Pat Kearney. Another season of seeing you almost sack the opposing QB only to fall short while they sling it downfield and make a play, NO MORE!

by AZ Hawk on Feb 2, 2009 5:04 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

The problem with looking at it that way is that Kerney is nearly always doubled

Because Jackson and Tapp threaten no one. Bane is a badass, but when 50% of the d-line is a threat to a qb, there’s not going to be any pass rush.

"It's just one big guy against another big guy, both teams know what's at stake. The one of them comes out on top and it feels good."
-Chris Collinsworth, Madden 09

by Wayward Llama on Feb 2, 2009 6:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We do not know how much money would alotted to us to sign rookies.
We also have no clue how we are doing with unfulfilled contracts. IE Bonuses that are not achieved when a contract expires counts as added cap space. Last year, Porkchop gave us a couple million. I bet Rocky Bernard’s contract has some of that considering we resigned him after 2005.
Also Shaun Alexander and Marcus Tubbs do not count as dead cap because we absorbed it last year. I wonder what is included in that 9 million? Chris Gray? Robinson(LS and WR)? Does it include the people for the 80 person rsoter? Future contracts etc. It is hard to believe we are in this cap situation but since it is stated, I would cut:
Walter Jones – if injury is serious or affects adversely
Russell – great excuse to unload his uselessness
Big Play Babs or Kelly Jennings
Mike Whale – I know it is wahle
Anybody else would probably be useless.

by Built2Spill on Feb 2, 2009 5:27 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

How were the Commish's numbers calculated?

It seems bizarre that the Cardinals, with Fitzgerald’s enormous salary, would be so far under the cap. Is it because they have a raft of UFA’s who can’t be counted against the cap until they’re signed? What about RFA’s?

If that’s the explanation, I think I’d like to see these numbers accompanied by some additional data. For each team, how many players are already under contract next year? How many starters will they have to re-sign or replace via the draft or free agency?

Without that further info, it’s difficult to draw any conclusions about which teams are in better or worse shape than others.

by Mr Fish on Feb 2, 2009 5:33 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Here's who we need to cut;

Jennings – Tye Hill 2.0. Showed promise, lost confidence in abilities, shell of former selves.
Wahle – Good signing at the time, didn’t work out.
Duckett – Even if we don’t resign Weaver, why can’t we just use Schmitt in this role?
Russell – Seriously, even if he’s willing to play for free, he doesn’t belong anywhere near the Pacific Northwest.
Grant – Why the hell are we paying him so much again? He’s not bad but not nearly elite.

So I assume the overall motto is that we’ll be extremely fortunate to retain our star players, let alone sign new ones in FA?

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 2, 2009 9:06 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Draft some.

For the time being they’ll be cheap, right? And I’m virtually certain Jamar Adams or C.J. Wallace would have been much better than Russell anyway.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 2, 2009 9:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that's why it was so infuriating that neither one of them got any pt

at the end of the season when there was nothing left to lose.

Damn, at least let them on the field and show us what they’ve got.

"It's just one big guy against another big guy, both teams know what's at stake. The one of them comes out on top and it feels good."
-Chris Collinsworth, Madden 09

by Wayward Llama on Feb 3, 2009 2:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jennings is on the verge of being a starting corner in ability and is dirt cheap.

 No way you cut him, even if you’re only using him mainly as a backup and nickel CB.

by VBJohnson on Feb 2, 2009 10:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree fully.

People have to remember that his contract is very affordable.

by redwolf75 on Feb 3, 2009 9:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, because one bad year (in which he nursed an ankle injury for a few weeks) Kelly Jennings should be cut. This is clearly a rational thought.

After all, one of his two years as a starter was bad. Never mind him being a first round pick who performed well in 2006 and 2007, he’s a bust because of 2008, let’s cut him.

Come on people have some fucking patience

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by BrettJMiller on Feb 2, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My reasoning for cutting Jennings

It is his 9.7 mil contract that had 5 mil guaranteed. This year his Cap hit should at 1.695 mil. Has he performed up to 1st round talent? I do not think so. Does he have the potential to, quite possibly.
Jordan Babineaux got a 10-12 mil with possibility of 17 mil contract a few years ago. I have no clue how it works out but his cap could be higher than his worth.
Brian Russell base for 2009 is 2.1 plus 666 (3mil/5) which means he is perfect candidate for cap casualty 2.1 plus devil.
Also is Deon Grant playing at a level worthy of 6 31.8mil contract? Who the fuck knows, 20 seconds to throw makes everybody look like brian russell….
Truthfully, I do not see how we could possibly only have 9 mil under the salary cap but then again I am no salary cap mastermind.

by Built2Spill on Feb 3, 2009 12:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

As a general rule, you avoid cutting guys when the bonus $$ is significantly > than the salary, unless it's the last year of the deal

Because you take the hit for the remaining prorated portion of the bonus owed.

Cutting Jennings now creates $1.305M in dead space. ($2M – $695K) It would cost us money to get him off the roster, not create savings.

Russell is the opposite – his scheduled salary is higher than his bonus, so cutting him actually saves $300K ($2.1M – $1.8 in remaining bonus). Wahle’s in the same boat as Russell – high salary, relatively low bonus ($3.1M salary – $2.8M remaining bonus). So IMO, both those guys should be fearing the turk.

by jteckmann on Feb 3, 2009 12:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That makes sense

So we should cut the fuckers loose! Get rid of Russell, woohooo. Mike Wahle on the other hand, i am not sure. While the coaches were lathering him up to be the second coming of Richard Roundtree, i saw false starts, no push, and a glossy head. i would say let him loose as well but if the coaches saw something i didn’t , i trust their opinion over my own, while I do think I am pretty pretty bright.

by Built2Spill on Feb 3, 2009 10:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wahle was a premier guard until his body failed him.

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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 3, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That $9 million number

is before the cap increase, and most years (if not all of them), the cap increases a little. Also, cap numbers can be hard to project and we may have less or more than 9 million based on how all the math works out in the next month. Most estimates I’ve seen have us a little over 15 million in cap space after the cap increase.

That’s still not enough to sign a major free agent (like Hayneworth) and the draft picks without spilling some blood, but its not as hopeless as having only $9 million.

by kearly on Feb 3, 2009 1:05 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

By the way

I love the Steelers Superbowl champions ad to the upper right. :)

by kearly on Feb 3, 2009 1:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

no, it factors in the increase...

"With the latest extension to the CBA, the 2009 salary cap is approximately $123,000,000 which represents a nice increase over last year’s $116.7 M figure. "

by cro-mag! on Feb 3, 2009 6:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I dont think that is figuring in the increase

That list has several teams in the negative, including the Jets at -7 million. If that were after the increase, that would put them at -14 million right now. I can’t find my original source, but over at Seahawks.net we have a guy that regularly keeps tabs as our “capologist,” and most of the estimates I’ve seen are 15-16m.

by kearly on Feb 3, 2009 4:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the cut conversation may be a bit premature

Let’s see about restructuring deals first.

I think dealing with Walter is a separate discussion altogether. The first issue is, can he play? Even at 80% he’s probably the best option at LT for at least this coming year. If that appears unlikely then the next issue becomes, is the contract commensurate with the expected value? If not, what are our options? I think you have to address the two issues somewhat distinct from one another.

Oddly, I thought Dallas handled Emmitt Smith’s ending about as well as it could be done. Jerry made it clear that Emmitt wasn’t the back he used to be and that Dallas simply had to have more production. Emmitt disagreed about how much value he still had left. The two parted ways, and that’s okay. That’s business, but I think they both understood that it was business. Jones laid all his cards on the table and Emmitt had some options—retire, restructure, reduced role, walk. He chose to walk. I think Walter deserves that kind of consideration.

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by dcrockett17 on Feb 3, 2009 5:07 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

It's easy to have that discussion when you have what, three Superbowls in your hand?

That said, Emmitt did have a couple of years in Arizona after. I’m pretty sure Walter will retire if he leaves Seattle…

by djafrot on Feb 3, 2009 10:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, we have a bunch of high character selfless guys.

I’m sure at least a few are willing to restructure rather than axe someone like Walt.

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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 3, 2009 1:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm always a little surprised Peterson doesn't come up more...

Why not cut him, and sign Hill long term? You get younger and arguably better.

Walt is an interesting thought, I think unfortunately that OL has been so difficult for the hawks I’m reluctant to move him, but man, it’s not clear!

by BrianF on Feb 3, 2009 7:49 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Hill can't perform in coverage like Peterson. None of our linebackers can at his level.

As good as Hill is, and might be, he’s still a downgrade from Peterson for that reason. One could argue that JP is also a better pass-rusher. Hill hasn’t really been unleashed in that regard, though.

by Misfit74 on Feb 3, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No way, JP is much better all-around than Hill.

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-Chris Collinsworth, Madden 09

by Wayward Llama on Feb 3, 2009 9:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's come up a bit

And usually dismissed as being a bad idea.

Hill’s skill set is valuable, but more easily replaceable.
Peterson’s skill set is much more valuable, and much more difficult to replace.

Which would be a better LB group?
A) JP, Tatupu, Lewis/Herring/Hawthorne
B) Lewis/Herring/Hawthorne, Tatupu, Hill.

IMO, it’s A in a landslide.

by jteckmann on Feb 3, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Only the morons at TNT think that.

Peterson is easily better than Hill. And really, what the hell would be the point of cutting a player who’s made the Pro-Bowl every single season with us?

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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 5, 2009 11:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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