Crabtree!

Though the lack of starts doesn't fit Ruskell's approach

I could see us drafting Mark Sanchez, instead of Matt Stafford. I still don’t know what to think of the QBs, though, and just hope we don’t go with either one.

by jacobstevens on Feb 20, 2009 11:09 AM PST reply actions

I'm kind of glad about the Sanchez thing.

I think Ruskell likes guys who have been good for a long time, and Sanchez was great in high school. We have the luxury of letting Sanchez sit for 2 years anyways. I keep hearing that Sanchez might fall to the 2nd round, but with only 2 QBs in this draft worth anything, I just don’t see it.

by LantermanC on Feb 20, 2009 11:18 AM PST reply actions

I absolutely don't see it.

It’s possible Sanchez goes first. I hope I won’t be disappointed if we get either guy. But I will be, if the first three picks aren’t Crabtree, Jason Smith and Eugene Monroe.

by jacobstevens on Feb 20, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions

Still have my fingers crossed for him.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 20, 2009 11:19 AM PST reply actions

I sense mass panic coming amongst Hawk fans

This upcoming draft is going to be really interesting, and crazy, as a Hawk fan.

This is a fanbase used to success, on the heels of a really disappointing season and looking at a potential rebuilding period. Now we’re looking at a ridiculously high pick and a bunch of needs at key offensive positions.

To make matters really interesting is the availability of a few really, really sexy picks in Crabtree, Stafford, and Sanchez. Picking any of these guys is going to drive some serious excitement into the fanbase… but should the FO go with any of a number of LT’s (or god forbid, an LB or something) you’ll see a minor revolt.

by djafrot on Feb 20, 2009 11:33 AM PST reply actions

I think LB is off the table

And Seattle fans should get LT. I think the revolt comes if Seattle takes Stafford. People are terrified of Seattle drafting a quarterback at four.

by John Morgan on Feb 20, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions

Fans like you and me, yeah... I'm talking about the more "average" fan.

But maybe they’re more knowledgable than I thought!

by djafrot on Feb 20, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions

I'm not terrified of us drafting a QB at four.

Am I a more “average” fan? Damn it!

"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?" - Dr. Venture

by Eegah on Feb 20, 2009 12:53 PM PST up reply actions

Yeah, but

Walter Jones. I think Seattle fans get left tackle.

by John Morgan on Feb 20, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions

And O-Line in general.

I think ESPN has thoroughly bashed it into sports fans’ heads that Steve Hutchinson was the cause of our ‘demise’, and the reason why Alexander went from MVP to scrub so quickly.

by LantermanC on Feb 20, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions

all-riiiiiIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIgghht......

…we’ll see… check the Seattle Post Intelligencer board during the draft, should Seattle elect to bypass Crabtree in favour of a tackle.

by djafrot on Feb 20, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions

This.

How would QB be considered a sexy pick when most of the general fanbase doesn’t even think that’s even close to a need?

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 20, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions

I don't know. Maybe I'm just out of touch with the casual/general fanbase

but I feel like bloggers’ biggest turn off is the hubris they show when dismissing and categorizing the general fanbase as clueless idiots. I think a bunch of people realize that Hasselbeck was horrible last year. They also realize he was injured. I don’t think many people want Seneca to start often either.

by LantermanC on Feb 20, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions

I didn't say they were "idiots"...

…but to think that every Seahawk fan spends as much time as us perusing Hawk news is a little far fetched. Otherwise this place would have a FEW more posters, no?

It’s not a binary thing, i.e. everyone’s either a moronic bandwagoner or a devoted fan, and I didn’t mean it to come off that way.

by djafrot on Feb 20, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions

I wasn't referencing your or FF in particular, sorry for the confusion.

just the blogosphere in general seems to have a big of a ‘sneering’ we’re-way-more-informed-than-the-casual -an (and in some cases GMs) POV. And I think this attitude might be why people lash back with the ‘nerdy blogger in their parents’ basement’ comments.

I guess it really depends on what you consider a casual fan though.

by LantermanC on Feb 20, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions

I consider the casual fan to be someone who catches almost all the games.

But isn’t particularly a stat fiend, may not spend time scouring the draft prospects or the internet in search of Hawks news, GM trends, etc…From what they gather, they reason that Hasselbeck just had an unfortunate injury and should bounce back to his 2007 form soon, and if not, Seneca is an adequate backup who can manage games until he returns. A new QB just sits 3rd on the depth chart, getting paid an absurd amount of money (obviously more than Hasselbeck, the clear cut starter), for what?

That’s what they think anyway, and from a detached perspective it makes sense.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 20, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions

just curious

with the depth of knowledge you bring to the table, who is Seattle’s heir apparent to Hasselbeck?

My guess, if it isn’t Stafford, then it will be Jevan Snead.

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Feb 20, 2009 8:30 PM PST up reply actions

Frye. Obviously.

I’m not advocating that we don’t need a QB of the future to develop soon. I just question whether Stafford or Sanchez are it.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 20, 2009 9:07 PM PST up reply actions

Fair enough...

I agree with the concern… but recall the same doubts of Ryan last year.

This blog will take on an interesting tone if Beck is hurt early and Wallace does little to show… do we give the reigns to… Rowe?

Or perhaps we give them to John Parker Wilson… Pro style offense, 3 year starter…

Or perhaps we wait and draft Colt McCoy and make him start day one…

Or we trade for Derek Anderson… or Brian Brohm…

Seattle needs to make a move on a QB…

Seattle had better also be willing to fail… no one in any competitive arena succeeds unless they put their ass on the line.

No more safe picks please… I’ve had enough of medocrity… give me a bust or a bust out…

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Feb 20, 2009 9:27 PM PST up reply actions

Lots of suggestions thrown out, here are my opinions:

John Parker Wilson will never be an NFL qb. He’s sort of a Trent Dilfer for college football, low completion percentage, low mistakes.

We will never draft Colt McCoy because we won’t be bad enough next year, and Ruskell is not the type of guy to mortgage the farm to trade up.

Derek Anderson was a one year wonder and could be a serviceable backup, but no what you want to rely on if you want to get to the playoffs.

Brohm has potential, I wouldn’t mind him being our 3rd stringer for a year or two. I don’t know if he’ll be good, but he hasn’t had any time yet to show that he’s capable, and Frye has already shown that he isn’t capable.

by LantermanC on Feb 20, 2009 9:47 PM PST up reply actions

Then who?

I love Jevan Snead…

But let’s be real here guys… at some point, “you bet the farm”. GM is not a life long job.

Time to come out of the cocoon boys… at some point the fairly tale known as Matt Hasselbeck ends…

I say we pick a guy up off the street and hope. ;)

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Feb 23, 2009 6:37 PM PST up reply actions

LB better be off the table now

unless we trade Leroy Hill, and even if that happens, I’d rather address other needs considering LB is our biggest strength.

by LantermanC on Feb 20, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions

I'm not afraid of the Seahawks taking Stafford at #4

It’s just that when a QB is drafted very high and doesn’t amount to squat, the bust is very high-profile and embarrassing. I think fans are always going to be, at least, somewhat leery of drafting a QB at the top of the draft who isn’t going to be Peyton Manning.

I’m still in favor of BPA at #4, and right now it’s neck-and-neck between Stafford and Crabtree in my mind.

by J.L. White on Feb 20, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions

mass panic ? No.

panic implies weakness.

Cogito Ergo Sum

by censor1979 on Feb 20, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions

Interesting Comment about Harrell

I haven’t heard his name mentioned since he was downplayed due to his Senior Bowl performance. I expect that people make the time honored “he was a successful quarterback because he was the product of the offense” argument with his success? Perhaps that could translate into NFL success with the right team—a chance worth taking especially if Warner sticks around for one more go.

I am intrigued by Sanchez for similar reasons – not worth the risk at 4, but I’d be extra intrigued to see him available as the 36th pick. I am looking forward to hearing what the Hawks have to say about him.

by StandingRoomOnlyHawkFan on Feb 20, 2009 12:31 PM PST reply actions

I think more likely Seattle is thinking about grabbing him

if they can move back into the mid 1st round. The key word being, “can”.

by Fear on Feb 20, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions

Harrell showed horrid arm-strength during Senior Bowl week. He didn't look like anything like an NFL starting QB.

Not just minor flaws. Major ones: Dropback; ability to drive the ball, ability to complete almost any pattern outside the hashmarks…

by Misfit74 on Feb 20, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions

thanks for the updates doug

this blog has turned into steaming piles of awesome

any indication that Crabtree’s injury might become a concern? This is his first and only injury isn’t it? If we draft him, I just don’t want to end up with another receiver whose only consistency is in the injury department.

by B.B.Finnegan on Feb 20, 2009 12:32 PM PST reply actions

interesting, but...

I’m much more interested in our 1st pick being someone who can play and help in the win column immediately. I’m somewhat surprised we’re spending time with Sanchez tonight, but I guess we have to dot all the I’s, etc… If Hass goes down and Sanchez winds up backing up Seneca, I’d be nervous as hell. Still not sure how we’d be able to afford him, unless trading down is in the cards. I suspect we are doing due diligence with all top prospects because we have to be prepared for changes on draft day, and quick decisions will have to be made. I hope that’s all this is.

by diehard82 on Feb 20, 2009 1:04 PM PST reply actions

I don't care when our first pick contributes

I care how much he contributes.

by John Morgan on Feb 20, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions

Really John?

I’m all for thinking long term, but are you really OK with paying Sanchez $12M/yr if he doesn’t contribute until 2011? I know you need to develop young QB’s and they typically aren’t asked to start right out of the gate, but I would think the plan would be to play him before 2011, IF we took him at 4. If we can trade down so he’s more affordable, and we get an extra 3rd round pick, it would make me feel a lot better.

by diehard82 on Feb 20, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions

I'm guessing that if they draft a QB at #1 they think Hass is almost done

And as such, the QB would be playing pretty damned quick, not 2011.

If they think Hass is OK for a while, they’re going to be drafting someone less risky/expensive, i.e. a later round guy. Or, as they’ve hinted, they’ll look in FA/trade.

by djafrot on Feb 20, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions

It is looking like we will draft a QB replacement for Matt somewhere in this draft. If not Sancez or Stafford with the 1st rd pick, then someone like Rhett Bohmar in the 2nd or 3rd rd.

by Hawkwiz on Feb 20, 2009 1:40 PM PST reply actions

Perhaps.

But as Abender pointed out, the only non-BCS school (or maybe it was just non big-time school) player that Ruskell has drafted was a Long Snapper. Though Rhett might be an exception because he went to a big school at some point, and QBs are kind of like Long Snappers in that they are unique.

by LantermanC on Feb 20, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions

so what BCS QB's are out there?

by djafrot on Feb 20, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions

http://www.fieldgulls.com/2009/2/20/765677/crabtree#

Sancez and Stafford.

by Hawkwiz on Feb 20, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions

I mean, what options do we have other than those two.

by djafrot on Feb 20, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions

I think he meant besides the top 2.

I don’t think anyone likes Josh Freeman, and Nate Davis is from a small school.
The only other QBs rated above 60 according to ESPN are Brian Hoyer of Michigan State and Rhett Bomar, who we already mentioned, but they’re only rated 61 and 60.
Personally, I wouldn’t mind taking a 6th or 7th round look at Todd Boeckmann, Curtis Painter, Chase Daniel, and to a lesser extent Rudy Carpenter and Willie Tuitama just for some Pac 10 love.

And if this were the 90’s Mike Reilly from Central Washington since John Freisz and several other QBs we drafted seemed to be from obscure Washington colleges.

by LantermanC on Feb 20, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions

Hey Crabtree is only 6'1"

RUN..RUN AWAY….FAST. Link

K, not really, but that’s not the best of news.

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Feb 20, 2009 2:20 PM PST reply actions

Need a bigger yd stick

Most places on the web list Crabtree as 6"3", in the last game I watched him play in he looked more like 6’4" to me. What does the combine list him as?

by Hawkwiz on Feb 20, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions

This is combine official

by John Morgan on Feb 20, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions

Crabtree is a dirty liar

by John Morgan on Feb 20, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions

To be fair,

Who cares how tall you are, if he has really long arms (not sure if he does). Fitz is a bit taller than he really is because his head is so big.

by LantermanC on Feb 20, 2009 2:34 PM PST up reply actions

6'1 1/4" is wrong...

He said 6’1 1/3". Still, you could hear murmurs around the podium.

He’d better blaze it up at his Pro Day. Brandon Pettigrew is also working with Michael Johnson, who’s building a nice little career out of helping draft prospects bump up their speed.

by Doug Farrar on Feb 20, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions

He's got a nice career managing and coaching Olympic sprinters as well.

by LantermanC on Feb 20, 2009 5:14 PM PST up reply actions

Crabtree should have waited until his Pro Day to get his height measured

What a mess.

by busplunger on Feb 20, 2009 9:25 PM PST up reply actions

So is Randy Moss.

Really, 6’1" should not be a deterrent at all.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 20, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions

er, he's 6'4"

by djafrot on Feb 20, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions

I could have sworn he's 6'1".

I have egg on my face, excuse me.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 20, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions

Same height as Koren...

by redwolf75 on Feb 20, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions

We already have a couple 6’1" WRs, he isn’t in the same class as Fitz so why waste a pick on him?

by Hawkwiz on Feb 20, 2009 2:37 PM PST reply actions

Serious

6’1" is pathetic. It’s amazing he can even catch the ball.

by John Morgan on Feb 20, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions

ditto

No doubt, his draft stock is going to drop him from the top four. Unless he magically gets really fast on his Pro-day.

by Hawkwiz on Feb 20, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions

His hands must be like Cabbage Patch Kids

I bet he sits down to pee.

by John Morgan on Feb 20, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions

Oh, you.

I’m in hysterics.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 20, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions

Michael Crabtree has girl parts?

We should hook him up with Erik Bedard.

by BrianL on Feb 20, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions

Midget lesbian porn?

Yes thank you.

by John Morgan on Feb 20, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions

See

it’s all fun and games until one person takes it too far and ruins the whole damn joke. Jerk.

by John Morgan on Feb 20, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions

I really wish I could add something witty to this subthread.

Alas, I am but a simple, unfunny man.

by BrianL on Feb 20, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions

I don't know

this is pretty funny:

by John Morgan on Feb 20, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions

I love B-Russ' at the end of this gif.

It’s almost like he’s thinking “Oh hell, Kissing Suzy Kolber is going to give me so much shit for this.”

by BrianL on Feb 20, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions

fantastic.

Let’s not have any ‘09 versions of these, unless we’re up by 21 late in the 4th.

by Misfit74 on Feb 20, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions

or ever.

by Misfit74 on Feb 20, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions

You don't leave us anywhere to go when you jump straight to midget lesbian porn

Geez

by Nate Dogg on Feb 20, 2009 4:54 PM PST up reply actions

I want to take you out behind the middle school and get you pregnant.

by abender20 on Feb 20, 2009 6:42 PM PST up reply actions

surely his vertical leap will have something to do with it...

by djafrot on Feb 20, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions

smoke and mirrors

Some of those DBs he played against in college must have been like 5’7" or so making him look like a giant. As they say “the tape doesn’t lie”

by Hawkwiz on Feb 20, 2009 3:06 PM PST reply actions

forget Crabtree

We should persue Jags WR Reggie Williams. He is a FA and wants to return to his roots here in the NW. He is 6’4" tall a full 3" taller than Crabtree. Then Matt would have his big target.

by Hawkwiz on Feb 20, 2009 3:18 PM PST reply actions

You are aware that many of the best wide receivers in the history of the NFL were about Crabtree's height, right?

Jerry Rice, Marvin Harrison, Isaac Isidore Bruce, Tim Brown, Torry Holt…etc.

by John Morgan on Feb 20, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions

Let's also get Mike Williams

He’s 6’5’’.

I hear Charles Rogers is also available.

by aerozeppelin on Feb 20, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions

we need to sign and convert Yao Ming

anybody that tall has got to have really great hands. I bet he can catch bullet passes one handed without even looking he’s so tall.

by B.B.Finnegan on Feb 20, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions

Plus he played basketball

like Antonio Gates.

by John Morgan on Feb 20, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions

also he's over a foot taller then Gates

which, if my calculations on height to receptions ratio is correct, amounts to over a hundred more catches a year.

by B.B.Finnegan on Feb 20, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions

Surprising.

I’m less-excited, honestly. How much so, I don’t know. I’ve been ambivalent about Crabtree throughout. Sounds great one day, not so much the next. Picking at #4 is a good problem to have as a Seattle fan, I guess.

by Misfit74 on Feb 20, 2009 3:20 PM PST reply actions

More Crabtree notes:

There are rumblings here (Combine) that he has at least 10 1/4 inch hands on his 34" long arms. He was recruited to play basketball by Bobby Knight out of high school….As I said, the guy has the strongest hands in probably a decade while still having soft hands on touch passes.

This comment makes me ever more curious about the actual combine measurable besides height for Crabtree. I’m not entirely sure how those numbers would stack up, yet.

by Misfit74 on Feb 20, 2009 7:01 PM PST reply actions