A Questionable Decision
While the combine is still going on over in Indianapolis, one of the biggest stories so far has nothing to do with 40 times or shuttle drills. Darrius Heyward-Bey was the fastest man on the track, putting down a blazing 4.3 second 40 yard dash. Andre Smith was equally fast in disappearing from Lucas Oil Stadium altogether, leaving many at the combine wondering if Smith deserves to be picked as high as his talent seemingly dictates.
"I'm dropping him down on my list," NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock told ProFootballTalk.com. "You don't show up in shape for the biggest job interview of your life. You don't lift. You don't run. You don't show up. It's the worst thing you can do. How can you not show up in shape for this?"
Mayock is not only concerned with Smith's lack of physical readiness:
"A team told me this morning that this guy has not been the best worker. The thing that bothers me is I've seen how (Alabama coach) Nick Saban runs his programs and how hard he works those guys and challenges those guys. How far (Smith will) drop in the draft, you don't want to throw him out because the guy has a lot of ability."
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"The minute he got away from the Saban umbrella, look what happened," Mayock said.
Reports from Smith's camp are that he caught an earlier flight to go back and start working out in preparation for his Pro Day.
Players who aren't planning on working out at the combine generally leave early. The fuss is due to the fact that Smith left without notifying anyone. Pissing off NFL teams was not the best of chocies for a man trying to get a big contract from... an NFL team. Combining this gaffe with his suspension from Alabama's bowl game, we have even more proof that Andre Smith will not be a Seahawk
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Part of me thinks this is overblown,
part of me thinks it’s not. If he didn’t show up ‘in shape’, it just depends how out of shape he was. If I had the option to take an SAT test now or a month later, I’d probably opt for one month later. I’d be ok to take the test now, but I’d feel a lot better taking it a month later.
Even without this mishap, I think Smith might have fallen out of the top 10 anyways. Nothing substantial to back this up though, except random positive tidbits have been said about the other three tackles, whereas not one good thing about Smith has been said so far.
maybe we get lucky?
and when a couple top-10 teams pass on him they don’t draft another tackle, sliding a couple good tackles down the draft board?
I keep hoping to hear about Vernon Davis/Vernon Gholston combine freaks that will rocket up draft boards and push good players down. I think Ruskell does a great job capitalizing on other GMs focus on measurables. Have there been any unlikely combine standouts so far?
Darrius Heyward-Bust is one.
There are a couple others but I’m forgetting their names at the moment.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Feb 23, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
While I freely admit I'm drinking the Crabtree Kool-Aid...
Is there someone else you’d rather have at 4? He’s a phenomenal talent at a position of glaring need and I’m pretty sure if he pans out well for some other team while we draft another DE or something, Ruskell will be gone after this season.
I like other people as well (Andy Levitre, Duke Robinson, Alex Mack, Max Unger, William Moore, Patrick Chung, among others), but those are projected to go late first/early second.
As for Heyward-Bey, he’s the next Vernon Davis/Vontae Davis/Dustin Keller/Vernon Gholston/Other generic workout warrior with marginal production on the field.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Feb 23, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
Did you call Miss Cleo or something?
Vontae Davis: Has not played a down in the NFL
Vernon Gholston: Has one year of service in the NFL
Dustin Keller: Was one of Favre’s favorite target for stretches
Vontae = Vernon
Book it.
Gholston = useless until he inevitably becomes a 4-3 DE where he may revive his career like Robert Gallery.
Keller = Not terrible but really, a first round pick? When Carlson and Martellus Bennett are/were clearly better?
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Feb 23, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
Keller
I don’t think Keller was such a poor choice. I mean, the Jets felt like they had just a few glaring holes to fill and a TE who could catch was one of them. With the QB situation they had last year, trying to ‘win now’ by adding the missing element that he Keller provided wasn’t exactly a dumb move. Keller is a decent player already, for what he is. We traded up to ensure Carlson, possibly feeling the same way about our team: grab a final-type missing piece. What do you know: both our seasons turned to sheyat.
this could be
a pontentially expensive decision though… Not sure he was going to go #1, but he would have had a shot if he worked out like a monster.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace R.I.P.
In Smith's case, it's not overblown...
Word in Indy was that his team interviews went horribly as well.
Gallery has been...
serviceable as a guard even if his tackle career was less than ideal.
I thought all along this guy is a better G prospect than tackle. He’s a mauler…
I'm kinda sad Shanahan is gone... I liked the Donkeys being 8-8 every year...
by Tyler Jorgensen on Feb 23, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
I generally agree.
Getting suspended for the Bowl Game showed a lack of discipline.
Leaving the combine early showed a lack of decorum.
I get the impression his support circle isn’t doing him any favors.
It's hard to even separate the two incidents
They certainly show lack of discipline yadda, yadda – you guys have that covered. But, they also show exceptionally poor decision-making on his part. The latter concerns me at least as much as the former. Lack of discipline is sometimes just a maturity issue. And even when it’s not, undisciplined, lazy people are clearly self-interested. The challenge is to create incentives that they respond to that also get the behavior you want. I teach, and that’s basically what a course syllabus does—it lays out a system of inducements and consequences. In most respects it’s easy to anticipate what to expect from the lazy and undisciplined. Most of what you have to do is pretty straightforward. Whether they get motivated and disciplined is then just an open question.
On the other hand, it’s hard to know what to expect from poor decision-makers, as they often act against their own self-interest. They do stupid things; often because they lack clarity about about what even constitutes their best interests. That’s an intractable problem. How do you manage the behavior of someone who can’t be trusted to act in his own best interests—and by extension, yours? That’s an investment begging to be flushed down the commode.
I can see the first mistake; getting caught violating rules about contact with an agent. A player might figure, “why would an agent put him/herself in a position to have his/her license revoked? This must be okay.” But, who out could have anticipated this stunt at the combine? It’s not so much that he left early, but that he evidently didn’t prep for interviews—raising the question of what exactly he HAS been doing in the almost two months since the bowl game. By his own admission it sure hasn’t been getting in peak physical condition.
I can’t imagine Smith just had lousy representation. If you’re worth what this kid was projecting to be worth, quality representation will find you. So, I cannot imagine that any craven, profit-motivated agent would have encouraged Smith to show up at the combine in poor condition, dissuaded him from preparing for interview questions about his ending at Alabama, or encouraged him to violate protocol by leaving early without notifying anyone.
These things tell me that this kid doesn’t listen to anybody, or that he doesn’t listen to the right people. That has implications for every phase of his life. Even if he could step onto the field and physically dominate from day one, could you trust him during an off-season to stay in shape? Can you trust him to learn the plays and come to training camp ready to contribute? Can you trust him to put in the extra film work to make the right decisions in blitz pickup?
Frankly, I wouldn’t take that gamble with YOUR money, just out of general respect for money—and certainly not in the first round.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Soooo....
Lets just pretend he drops to us at our 2nd round pick….do you guys still pass on him?
He seemed to excel under Saban and then imploded while on his own. But he definitely has talent….mainly at guard, not tackle…but still a lot of talent. And he has shown that he can be controlled and pushed to succeed. So he may not be a complete lost cause. And it’s not like he’s getting involved in crime or drugs, it is a very stupid lapse in judgement on his part and immaturity, but that could be fixed/changed/improved and aren’t as serious as actually having run-ins with the law, etc.
Is it worth the chance to get arguably top 10 talent in the 2nd round and under coaches like Mora and Solari who could probably keep him in check?
I Bleed Blue and Green
I think there's always a point where benefit outweighs risk
However if there is a character or work ethic concern, Ruskell tends to take those guys completely off his draft board. The risk he seems to be fine taking chances on are measurables (mainly speed and size). If one of his draft picks fails, it seems to be usually because they weren’t big enough or fast enough, or just talented enough in general, not because they didn’t try hard enough.
If he falls to the top of the 2nd....
he would be an absolute steal. When you consider the risk/reward, you may be right that the Hawks take him right off the board, but man oh man, what a great possible upside in the 2nd round.
Which is why he’ll never get there. Somebody late in the 1st who can afford to take an upside pick chance will grab him.
Put it this way… if you were going to chose between, say, Kelly Jennings, Lawrence Jackson and Andre Smith, would you even have a debate?!
I can’t see how Ruskell would debate it either, and NO WAY a team in the +10 win category with an aging line lets him slip.
I'm kinda sad Shanahan is gone... I liked the Donkeys being 8-8 every year...
by Tyler Jorgensen on Feb 23, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions

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