Should Seattle Sign Jon Stinchcomb?
I can't tell you if Seattle will sign Jon Stinchcomb, but I can tell you if Seattle should sign Jon Stinchcomb.
Stinchcomb has a few obvious connections to Seattle. Born in Atlanta, Stinchcomb played college at Georgia in the SEC conference. His older brother Matt and former Seahawks flameout David Greene are partners in a financial firm. One could start a Stinchcomb to Seattle rumor based on just that.
He was selected in the second round of the 2003 draft by the New Orleans Saints. Stinchcomb will be 30 for the majority of the 2009 season. That's a decent age for an offensive lineman. Stinchcomb is white, so expect to read that he's a "technician". Stinchcomb does do a lot of little things well like cut block and support block. He's consistently assignment correct and is stingy with penalties. He has been penalized for just ten false starts and zero holds over his five year career. Whether he's really more technically sound than say Stacy Andrews depends a bit on the technique.
A better way to describe Stinchcomb is that his hands and upper body do the work. His hand fighting skills are excellent, and he knows how to torque and contort his torso to generate power in even awkward postures. He has good feet, but is not agile and struggles quite a bit against edge rushers. His feet make him look quicker than he is, and he pulls swiftly into the second level and delivers a good block on the move. But moving laterally is not Stinchcomb's strength. Since he doesn't mirror slide well, Stinchcomb instead must maintain good inside position and attempt to bury off balance edge rushers. It works against some. Better, more rounded pass rushers like Aaron Kampman combine speed skills with good balance and hand fighting technique. Stinchcomb struggles against ends like Kampman and though he doesn't allow a ton of sacks, he does allow a ton of pressures. Drew Brees gets the ball out. A late-career Matt Hasselbeck might just curl in a ball.
Stinchcomb is a good run blocker. He's thick, powerful, powerful on the move and a true pancake blocker*. He'll blow open a hole on the first level, seal inside, dominate a linebacker on the second level, brush himself off and do it all again next snap. If Greg Knapp is serious about reaching or exceeding a 50% run split, Stinchcomb is a very good addition and a big upgrade to Seattle's run blocking. Watching him cut, pull and dominate on the second level, it's easy to see how he fits in a zone blocking system. Stinchcomb could make an excellent left guard, too.
Seattle should sign Stinchcomb if the price is right. Due to pigmentary differences, you won't read Stinchcomb compared to Ray Willis, but there are obvious similarities. Both are powerful. Willis is more athletic and agile; Stinchcomb a better hand fighter. Both are toast against the edge rush. Willis can't recover; Stinchcomb can still bury a guy who gets a jump on his outside shoulder. If Willis develops, he can be a better Stinchcomb. He has better overall athleticism, better leg drive and moves better laterally. If he develops is always a risk, one I think Seattle is in position to take, and one I think Seattle should take. If it doesn't, Seattle can sign Stinchcomb and get eight tenths the finished model.
* An ability that gets a ton of run around draft time and yet seldom translates to the NFL.
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You couldn't resist taking a shot at whitey, could you?
Whats mirror sliding and what are the likely price tags on Willis and Stinchcomb?
by Nate Dogg on Feb 27, 2009 4:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Mirror sliding is the side step linemen make to stay parallel to defenders.
I think Willis will be cheaper for sure.
by John Morgan on Feb 27, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Loved this one
Due to pigmentary differences
by LantermanC on Feb 27, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's the classic rule
White players can only be compared to white players and African American players can only be compared to African American players. It’s amazing the kind of stretches I hear sometimes. Like their skin color actually alters their base attributes.
by John Morgan on Feb 27, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish we had a free agency open thread.
There is a HELL of a lot going on right now.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Feb 27, 2009 4:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
A fanpost?
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Feb 27, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Go for it.
I’ll throw it on the front page.
by John Morgan on Feb 27, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Done.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Feb 27, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
umm..
I don’t understand the need for a reference to skin color in this post. Why that has anything to do with Stinchcomb’s or Willis’ skill, I have no idea.
by SoCalHawksFan on Feb 27, 2009 4:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Watch any sports show.
The analysts rave about black players athleticism, and about white players’ craftiness. Is it fair? No, but it happens.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Feb 27, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You can only be black and "heady" if you're Terry Robiskie's kid
by Nate Dogg on Feb 27, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes it happens,
but I think it’s fair too. 95% of the time (and I’m pulling that number out of my ass) the black players are more athletic and the white players use their head more to get where they are.
by SeaTownBlueDevil on Feb 27, 2009 8:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I really hope you aren't serious.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Feb 27, 2009 8:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't imagine you have anything to back this claim up, do you?
by BrianL on Feb 27, 2009 8:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I realize how that sounds.
And no I don’t have any thing to back that up. I’m not trying to say white players are smarter than black players, I personally think that black people are more athletic than other races. My only “evidence” to back that up is a presumption based on the lopsided ratio of blacks:other races in sports dominated by those with athletic bodies (i.e. basketball, football, olympic 100 meter dash, etc.) What I was trying to say is the white players that make it into the NFL tend to be “craftier” or “headier” because they need to be to compensate for the athletic difference. It wasn’t a comment about the intelligence of races at all. I completely understand why if people disagree with that presumption, I wasn’t trying to be combative.
by SeaTownBlueDevil on Feb 27, 2009 9:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Read Malcolm Gladwell
He talks about how many races fit their stereotypes because of social pressure to fit those stereotypes, I know that sounds circular but it is not. A financial difference also is shown in the disparity of races in professional sports. Generally, higher income individuals have after school activities that are dependent on investment while poorer children tend to do sports because it can be seen as low investment activity (public schools in most states do not charge for participation in sports). In the racial inequality of our nation, which is extensive, blacks tend to participate in sports at a higher rate than whites thus creating such prominence of blacks in sports. Malcolm Gladwell used the example of East African long distance runners, millions of high school students are running long distances daily while in the US the number of students running similar distances daily is around 10,000. Obviously, the odds of having a superior long distance runner out of millions is higher than the odds of having a superior long distance runner out of 10,000. Also running long distance is very cheap while sports like crew are very expensive and is basically all white.
by Built2Spill on Feb 27, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn't explain why among the best of the best
african american athletes are still superior, and vastly so.
by Nate Dogg on Feb 27, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We assume that
but it’s a tiny chunk of history. People used to think the Irish were natural boxers. Right now, because of economic disparity, opportunity and role models, African American athletes dominate sports. Fifty years from now, that could vanish entirely.
by John Morgan on Feb 27, 2009 10:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think this is a really complex and interesting question
and all of the things that you and Built talked about definitely play a huge role. I also think this topic is probably nothing but trouble and not relevant to anything Seahawks, so I’ll let it drop.
by Nate Dogg on Feb 27, 2009 10:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
50 years from now, the spawn of Brian Russell will be dominating every major sport.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 12:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
please read 'outliers'
or at least the first chapter, thanks.
by cro-mag! on Feb 28, 2009 9:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it's true, it's also why a black person will never become president
oh wait
by B.B.Finnegan on Feb 27, 2009 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Again, please read my above comment.
I don’t want to be misconstrued as trying to insult the intelligence of any races. And to be perfectly fair, Obama is half-black and half-white.
by SeaTownBlueDevil on Feb 27, 2009 9:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think there's merit to this statement.
When a guy like Matt Jones or Joe Alexander comes along, they’re described as athletic freaks, and rightly so. Whereas it would be dumb to describe Hasselbeck, Brian Russell, or Adam Morrison with any term relating to the word athletic.
by LantermanC on Feb 28, 2009 9:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Stinchcomb's agent, Pat Dye:
“There is absolutely no truth to those rumors. I have not had a single conversation with Seattle regarding Jon Stinchcomb.”
by Dukeshire on Feb 27, 2009 5:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I understand that
but Seattle still may target him.
by John Morgan on Feb 27, 2009 5:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I put that up only as a point of information.
Not necessarily a comment on whether he’d be a good fit after they let Willis walk. (I presume this will happen, for good or ill.)
by Dukeshire on Feb 27, 2009 5:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
John alluded to this, but it's a very important point...
When you talk about sack or pressure numbers with the Saints, you have to do a pretty severe adjustment for Brees’ quick release. I used their line in Pro Football Prospectus 2008 to illustrate the point that Adjusted Sack Rate doesn’t tell the whole story. I would stamp “Caveat Emptor” on ANY Saints lineman.
by Doug Farrar on Feb 28, 2009 8:40 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
That said...
…he’s a high-motor team leader who’s full of intangibles ad always plays above his natural talent.
by Doug Farrar on Feb 28, 2009 8:44 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Stinch back w/ Saints
http://blog.nola.com/saintsbeat/2009/02/new_orleans_saints_agree_to_5y.html
I hope we’re not about to be f**ked at OT.
by Misfit74 on Feb 28, 2009 11:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

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