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Free Agency Open Thread

Foul-frog-feels-good-man6_tiny by Fearless Frog on Comment 320 comments

With the advent of free agency, let's try to corral all the exciting news.

Here's some highlights:

Brian Dawkins, J.J. Arrington sign with the Broncos

Redskins ignore cap, sign Haynesworth, Hall to huge deals.

Bart Scott signs with Jets

Troubled TE Kellen Winslow II traded to Bucs for undisclosed draft picks

Titans wager on Dinosaur Collins surviving two more season without going extinct

Feel free to add your own to this thread, with rumors and finalized deals alike. Don't forget to post the link.

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This has been hard for me

I’m not sold on Housh, but I’ve gotten caught up in Big Name Extravaganza ’09 and kind of want to see it happen anyways.

by Nate Dogg on Feb 27, 2009 5:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I love this stuff.

Now I wish Seattle would make some moves

"It's just one big guy against another big guy, both teams know what's at stake. The one of them comes out on top and it feels good."
-Chris Collinsworth, Madden 09

by Wayward Llama on Feb 27, 2009 5:57 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Derrick Dockery back with the Skins, per Adam Schefter's NFL blog.

 5/26 with 8.5 guaranteed .

…I’m speechless.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 27, 2009 8:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Not a huge overpayment.

But the Skins again? That’s a surprise.

by LantermanC on Feb 27, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not his contract.

But the fact that despite being one of the bottom 5 teams under the cap, they managed to pick up the most expensive player in Haynesworth, resign the most overrated one in Hall, and picked up a decent player for a sizable chunk. What the hell, why can’t we do that?

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 27, 2009 10:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Lambs signed Jason Brown.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3941101

“The prized free agent blocker of 2009”

Terrific.

"It's just one big guy against another big guy, both teams know what's at stake. The one of them comes out on top and it feels good."
-Chris Collinsworth, Madden 09

by Wayward Llama on Feb 27, 2009 9:53 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Michael Bush being shopped

http://www.ibabuzz.com/raidersblog/2009/02/27/report-bush-being-shopped/#more-4046
I think this would be a great trade. He worked with Greg Knapp and is a fast beast. Could be FB if need be. I love the way he runs. I hope Ruskell takes a look

by Built2Spill on Feb 27, 2009 10:25 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

and they're looking for a first or second round pick?

get real.

loved him coming out of louisville, and think the Raiders got a steal to grab him in the 4th, but if we had our choice between him and Alex Mack (our hypothetical second round pick) or him and William Moore/Hamlin (hypothetical third round pick) i would take the draft picks any time.

i DO like his cap number, and al davis is crazy enough to do something stupid.

by cro-mag! on Feb 28, 2009 10:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i agree that he's good

but with jones/duckett/forsett on the roster i just don’t see him having that much value for us. i would rather take that 3rd and get a safety to challenge russell, an interior lineman who can push Sims and Wrotto, etc

by cro-mag! on Feb 28, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What in the world is Tennessee going to do with Vince Young?

"It's just one big guy against another big guy, both teams know what's at stake. The one of them comes out on top and it feels good."
-Chris Collinsworth, Madden 09

by Wayward Llama on Feb 27, 2009 10:33 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Brady Quinn to the Hawks?

Apparently the Browns don’t think he’s starting QB material, so he may be worth a look. Big school, productive, not a distraction, seems like he could be a Ruskel guy. (Feel free to ridicule me if I’m wrong, I mostly know what I read from the guy’s wikipedia page).

Not the best link, but the source site is down at the moment. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/New-Browns-regime-isn-t-high-on-Brady-Quinn?urn=nfl,143899

by Trepidation on Feb 28, 2009 12:35 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I think he could be good

"It's just one big guy against another big guy, both teams know what's at stake. The one of them comes out on top and it feels good."
-Chris Collinsworth, Madden 09

by Wayward Llama on Feb 28, 2009 2:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Carlson could vouch for him.

EAS would have to Myoplex athlest on the same team! Heads would explode.

by LantermanC on Feb 28, 2009 8:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

two* athletes*

How the hell did that happen?

by LantermanC on Feb 28, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I initially read that as 'atheists' and was confused for a moment.

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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Link isn't working for me.

But that would be awesome.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 10:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Manually copy the whole link

For some reason the end didn’t get hot linked.

NEEDS MORE FREEDOM!

by Scruffy Lefty on Feb 28, 2009 10:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Housh is looking for 10 mil a season

if sign this over the hill overrated free agent for even close to that, I give up on Ruskell.

by B.B.Finnegan on Feb 28, 2009 9:42 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

He's not overrated, nor over the hill.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe not "over the hill"

But his best years are behind him, and not worth nearly that much.

"It's just one big guy against another big guy, both teams know what's at stake. The one of them comes out on top and it feels good."
-Chris Collinsworth, Madden 09

by Wayward Llama on Feb 28, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's too much for sure

Maybe for a team thinking “win now”, but not for a Seahawks team that must balance staying respectable with building for the future.

by John Morgan on Feb 28, 2009 11:55 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rumors

Some are saying we might be working out a trade for Braylon Edwards of the Cleveland Borwns.

by SoCalHawksFan on Feb 28, 2009 10:07 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

That would be amazing.

He certainly wouldn’t help with all the drops, but you can’t deny he’s got absurd athleticism and is an incredibly tough guy to play man-to-man on. Do you have a link?

by SeaTownBlueDevil on Feb 28, 2009 10:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Link?

I hate Edwards because of his case of Vernon Davis hands but I heard a rumor he was doing it on purpose so he could leave Cleveland.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt that.

If he’s dropping passes, he’s costing himself money from everything from future contract extensions to performance bonuses to endorsements. I don’t remember him having any problems with dropping balls when he was at Michigan though.

by SeaTownBlueDevil on Mar 1, 2009 9:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Dropped passes are both the receiver's fault and the quarterback's fault

Edwards has had Derek Anderson and Charlie Frye throw him passes. I would bet money that a studied review of his tape points to many of those passes being late, behind him, wobbly or unnecessarily gunned in or thrown into coverage.

by John Morgan on Mar 1, 2009 10:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

On the contrary, I saw a fair amount of the Browns this season..

…and Derek Anderson really gets an undeservedly terrible rep. He was throwing fine passes right into the hands of ‘Butterfinger’ Braylon, who would proceed to Keary Colbert them away.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 1, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You are not going to convince me Anderson is anything but a horribly inaccurate passer.

Anderson’s college completion percentage was 50.7%.

Edwards reportedly dropped ten passes in Cleveland’s first six games. If we assume that every single one of those drops was entirely Edwards’ fault and credit Anderson for the reception, Anderson’s completion percentage spikes from 49.2% to 54.6%. So from awful to awful but less awful. Edwards certainly dropped some good passes, but I’d wager he also dropped some real crap and if you subtract those crap throws he’s not much worse than average.

by John Morgan on Mar 1, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, yes I am!

Actually, I don’t care about Anderson. I’m just saying that I’ve personally witnessed Edwards drop balls thrown right into his hands in stride….sort of like Vernon Davis.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 1, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Why was he even drafted?

I watched him at Oregon State and hated him the entire time. I never did figure out what was so good about him that negated his terrible accuracy.

by Ezzra on Mar 1, 2009 7:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

T.J. Housmandzadeh will visit the Vikings Saturday.
Housh may not quite be finding the contract offers he expected out of the gate, but there is still plenty of interest. Seattle was unable to close a deal after Houshmandzadeh visited them Friday. At the moment looks like it could come down to Seattle, Minnesota, or a return to Cincinnati. -Rotoworld

by Misfit74 on Feb 28, 2009 10:10 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Pretty interesting move

Definitely not a Stafford landing place now, more likely a Curry/Crabtree place.

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Feb 28, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So, this all but guarantees Stafford will be available to us.

…Well, damn. I’m not high on him as a top QB prospect at all.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 10:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If we draft him I certainly hope so.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

wow...

this is quite a statement… name one player Detroit would take that would have a greater impact?

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Feb 28, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Any offensive tackle?

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Or greater potential to destroy an already broken franchise.

I don’t think the Lions want to stick Stafford in the fire. He would be their presumed week one starter, or at least start this season, and for an absolutely horrible team, with an offensive line so bad he may never recover. I think Detroit takes the safest pick. I think they take Curry.

by John Morgan on Feb 28, 2009 12:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Huh, really?

Though there isn’t any clear cut #1 OT prospect, a #1 overall for a linebacker? Curry may be really good, but I doubt he’s Lawrence Taylor (who also wasn’t a #1 pick), and the last time a possible top 5 LB was hyped as ‘the safest prospect’, Green Bay ended up with AJ Hawk, who’s been mostly underwhelming.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 1:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Hawk

but I agree that a linebacker isn’t typically a franchise player. The Lions need almost everything and it’s not going to come in one draft. I think with the extreme price tag of a first overall pick, a huge premium is placed on “safety”. No pick is a sure thing, but Curry is about as close as prospects come.

by John Morgan on Feb 28, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, with that line of thinking...

Jason Smith probably isn’t Walter Jones, and Stafford probably isn’t Peyton Manning.

by LantermanC on Feb 28, 2009 5:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm starting to think Scott Pioli is overrated as a GM

I don’t like the trades he’s made, and the Chiefs switching to a 3-4 is dumb…although that could just be the coaches decision.

by MFAN on Feb 28, 2009 11:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, now Glenn Dorsey is practically worthless to them now.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 11:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

OMG

Why don’t we let a Pioli lead team play a game first… he got a savvy LB and a potential NE style QB that knows what they are going to implement… they are known commodities.

That said, who in their right mind thinks Dorsey showed anything last year.

Dorsey, in fact, may be traded… but I wouldn’t want him. He is BJ Raji.

two players for a 2nd round pick… I’d love to see Timmay! pull that off.

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Feb 28, 2009 12:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What are you talking about?

Dorsey could not be more different that Raji.

And that was his rookie season…

by redwolf75 on Feb 28, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Just about every sentence in this is incorrect.

What’s the deal with the outburst?

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

For a second rounder, no less.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 11:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What I'm wondering is if Tony Gonzalez was included in the trade.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 11:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That would've been ridiculous.

NE passing attack would be insane.

NEEDS MORE FREEDOM!

by Scruffy Lefty on Feb 28, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Eh, looks like we'll never find out.

Apparently, it was just a second. In which case that might potentially be a steal for the Chiefs.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jets got hosed.

Sheppard is trash. Koren Robinson and his 90 yard TD back up this statement.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, Ruskell said that we were "wading"

and would probably be looking at 2nd-tier guys. So far we’ve done nothing, so I guess he’s sticking to his guns.

"It's just one big guy against another big guy, both teams know what's at stake. The one of them comes out on top and it feels good."
-Chris Collinsworth, Madden 09

by Wayward Llama on Feb 28, 2009 11:58 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

It's going to be interesting to see which camp was right about Cassel

A product of a great system, good o-line, Randy Moss and Wes Welker? Or a hidden gem that will make the Chiefs a contender in the coming years?

"It's just one big guy against another big guy, both teams know what's at stake. The one of them comes out on top and it feels good."
-Chris Collinsworth, Madden 09

by Wayward Llama on Feb 28, 2009 12:01 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'm betting on the former.

Not that I think Cassell is terrible, but I see his impact being that of Matt Schaub. Not bad, but will never be more than a slightly above-average game managing type QB.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 12:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely not. Possibly top 15, but that's pushing it.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 12:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Would you say that he is better than:

Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Ben Roethlisberger
Philip Rivers
Matt Ryan
Matt Hasselbeck
Donovan McNabb
Kurt Warner
Jason Campbell
Aaron Rodgers
Tony Romo
Chad Pennington
Eli Manning
Jeff Garcia
Jay Cutler

Maybe I’m underselling Schaub, and I like the guy, but I wouldn’t take him before any of those QBs.

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by BrettJMiller on Feb 28, 2009 5:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm to each their own then. Garcia's the only one there that is iffy for me over Schaub.

But Campbell is really good, and Pennington is extremely accurate, even if he doesn’t have the arm strength.

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by BrettJMiller on Mar 1, 2009 6:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Shoot, I'd even throw regular season Jake Delhomme in there.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 1, 2009 6:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And Carson Palmer, and Drew Brees...

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 1, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You would take Schaub over Drew Brees?!?

Brees has one of the best pocket presence in the league, not to mention sonic boom evoking release.

by Built2Spill on Mar 1, 2009 7:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sweet Jesus how the fuck did I forget Drew Brees

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by BrettJMiller on Mar 2, 2009 11:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Cassell

is a product of a system… a very successful system… and one that he will continue to run in KC…

Win/Win

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Feb 28, 2009 12:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Unless you're counting on Dwayne Bowe to evolve into Randy Moss and/or Todd Haley becoming Bill Belichick

I don’t see how you say they are going to have the same system in Kansas City, or even if it’s similar.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jon Kitna traded to the Lions.

LOL!

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 12:05 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

...You know, I think I agree with that.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 12:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Romo is a complete fraud, yes.

I know, I’m just messing. But Kitna is kind of underrated while Romo is probably the most overrated offensive player in the league.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think overrated is the most meaningless adjective in sports

I really don’t know what you mean when you say Romo is overrated. He’s treated exactly as you would expect a quarterback with his stats to be treated. He threw for 36 TDs and 4,200 yards in 2007.

by John Morgan on Feb 28, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it's really that complicated...

He’s saying Romo’s “overrated” by his stats, i.e. he’s not as good as his stats indicate. It’s a situation that’s usually a result of having a ton of talent around him.

See: Warner, Kurt.

by djafrot on Feb 28, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That doesn't make sense.

What good quarterback doesn’t have top talent around him? How can we separate the performance of the quarterback from the performance of his surrounding talent? Does that mean that as soon as a quarterback has a good season, and therefore the receivers around him have a good season, that the quarterback becomes overrated?

by John Morgan on Feb 28, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hasselbeck's 2007?

A slot receiver had 1100+ yards, almost no running game, no other WR came really close to 1000 yards, no TE.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Forgot to add that Hass had nearly 4000.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hasselbeck kicked so much ass in 07.

Hopefully he’ll return to his Pro Bowl form this year.

by SoCalHawksFan on Feb 28, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That was a fine season and confirmation that Hasselbeck is awesome

Though it’s really deceptive to call Bobby Engram a “slot receiver”. Engram is the best slot receiver in football and played much of the season at flanker.

It’s also very uncommon. We can’t exactly hold every quarterback to that standard. Negating a quarterback’s value because his surrounding talent is also excellent eliminates Peyton Manning and Joe Montana among others.

by John Morgan on Feb 28, 2009 2:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

While you are absolutely correct about Engram being very good...

We could still make the case that the team’s leading receiver by a large margin was a 36 year old receiver no larger than 5’10".

Romo’s laughable pocket presence makes him look like a jittery rabbit even when there is little pass rush. He doesn’t have a particularly strong arm, doesn’t make good decisions, inaccurate (and by this I mean having that touch to place balls where only the receiver can get them; how many times have we seen him overthrow a wide open T.O. or Witten?). This is excluding his off-field life with the Cabo vacation and all that jazz.

He isn’t particularly talented and was slated to have been cut if it weren’t for Quincy Carter morphing into a repeated substance-abuser and winning a starting gig in a perfect situation after looking slightly better than a mummified Drew Bledsoe way beyond his career’s twilight.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's a perfectly fine argument

I’m not really interested in getting into this, because I don’t care about Romo, but the point is saying someone is “overrated” in isolation is meaningless.

by John Morgan on Feb 28, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good point.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What doesn't make sense?

Why is it so hard to look at grey areas? Some QB’s have better talent around them than others, or perhaps they play in a system that helps their numbers.

Romo is not as good as his stats indicate – this is a statement that I think many NFL people would agree with. And that’s all I’m really trying to say.

by djafrot on Feb 28, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My problem is

How do we prove or disprove this statement:

Romo is not as good as his stats indicate

It’s one thing if you can substantiate that with something, but it’s another thing to just say he’s overrated. How, specifically, is Romo overrated?

by John Morgan on Feb 28, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This response was so awesome.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd

You hit the nail on the head. I don’t have anything against Romo. I don’t think he’s overrated, just overhyped. My problem is the team he plays for and the insane amount of media coverage they get. If Romo played in any other market, IMO he be seen similar to someone like Cutler – very good, but still some flaws to overcome. Ironically, he’d probably be more popular, with the whole “UDFA makes good” story going for him.

But because he plays for the Cowboys, you have the press anointing him Brett Favre Jr. after his forst 300 yds game, and squawkers like peter King sharing text messages and raving about his smile 24/7. It’s like a decent song that gets overplayed on the radio. You may have liked it at first, but after the 10,000th listen you hate it and start mocking it.

by jteckmann on Feb 28, 2009 11:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess that's where the issue is.

I’m not trying to prove or disprove anything. My comment about Romo is derived from watching Romo consistently choke under pressure, take bad sacks when he’s had all day to throw, and miss wide-open, very large receivers.

Sometimes I think this board is a little too obsessed with “proof”, when the reality is that football – like a lot of things – is really, really complicated. I love the football, and I love the Seahawks, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to spend all day crunching numbers to try and “prove” something when my gut tells me the answer already. It doesn’t work all the time, obviously, and that’s a big reason why we come to places like this.

Crunching numbers is best left to people who are good at it, like you, John, and a few other guys here. That’s why we like this place.

by djafrot on Feb 28, 2009 2:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This isn't a board.

The comments of this blog are a reflection of the community as a whole and the content featured here. As such, when you make a claim you are expected to substantiate that claim.

by BrianL on Feb 28, 2009 2:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A lot of people come to John's site

because we think it’s important to be able to prove what you say, and John tries to do that. There are a lot of places you can go for conjecture and Joe Blow’s gut feelings.

I think what you’re confusing with Romo is the difference between liking a player and a player being good. I don’t like Peyton Manning but I’d be retarded to think the guy’s not one of the greatest to ever play. You don’t like Romo, and thats fine, but you can’t deny his talent or dismiss his achievements because he doesn’t seem as clutch as Garrard or whoever it is you do happen to like.

by Nate Dogg on Feb 28, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I can see

djafrot’s thinking and there are things to shed light on some of Romo’s struggles, such as his December splits, which I don’t care to get into since this is not my argument. However, I would feel confident in saying Romo is ‘over-Hyped’. To the point it makes me sick sometimes. I wonder, though, if I would feel the same way if it were Hasselbeck getting the same national attention. The Eastcoast Sports Promotional Network often has that effect. (See: Favre)

by Misfit74 on Feb 28, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Two things:

One:

I don’t “dislike” Romo at all, I think he’s an affable guy and good for the league in general. I just don’t think he’s nearly the QB that a) his numbers and b) the NFL promo machine say he is, and I base that from actually watching him play over the years.

Two:

I guess there’s no point in me posting here, then, because I rarely have any “proof” of what I say. In fact, very few posters on this board should be posting here, either, because I don’t see a hell of a lot of “proof” with each single assertion being made.

by djafrot on Feb 28, 2009 5:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's not necessarily about proof

It’s about making an argument and supporting it. If you don’t want to, then you have accept you might be called on it.

by John Morgan on Feb 28, 2009 7:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If I don't ask for evidence

then every discussion devolves into irrational bickering. A gut feeling is just not a credible argument. There’s someone out there that’s gut feeling is Romo is on the precipice of greatness.

by John Morgan on Feb 28, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

By this logic

Tom Brady is overrated, Peyton Manning is overrated, Steve Young and Joe Montana were overrated, etc…

by vanrijn on Mar 1, 2009 9:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually you can say Tom Brady is underrated.

With exception of 2007, who did Brady throw to? Troy Brown? Deion Branch was the best of the bunch pre-Randy Moss and Wes Welker

by Built2Spill on Mar 1, 2009 10:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

but his pre-2007 stats are not that great. He threw a ton, so the yards are there, but his adjusted net yards per attempt were always just above average. And you can always throw the “systems quarterback” brick at Brady.

by John Morgan on Mar 1, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Who can't you throw that brick at?

You can’t be successful in the NFL today without at least a good scheme, regardless of who your QB is.

by Nate Dogg on Mar 1, 2009 11:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

and that’s the futility of “surrounding talent” and “systems quarterback” arguments. Almost every good quarterback plays with good talent and in a good system.

by John Morgan on Mar 1, 2009 11:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

People always look at my like I'm crazy when I say that Hasselbeck has been Brady-esque for most of his career.

2007 didn’t help my case. But honestly, Hasselbeck would’ve thrown 50 TDs with that team around him.

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by BrettJMiller on Mar 1, 2009 7:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wait, I'm confused.

I could have sworn the Lions cut him a week ago.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

34th overall pick for Cassel and Vrabel.

Doesn’t that sound like a steal for a starting QB who’s 26?

by Misfit74 on Feb 28, 2009 12:24 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Options

Cleveland: Edwards and Quinn for a 2nd… perhaps that is asking too much.
Detroit: Stanton and Backus
Pittsburgh: Ward and Leftwhich… ok, even I think that sucks
NE: O’Connell and Moss :)

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Feb 28, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My point is

be creative… stop making the draft and FA the end all be all

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Feb 28, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

everyone has a price… your bad is someone elses good

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Feb 28, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

tell me

did you think Cassell was a steal when he was drafted… or did you laugh or just not notice… like myself?

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Feb 28, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

for me, FA is like eating someones uneaten dinner...

you should only do it if it was from family… FA is so overrated, and the draft is vastly overrated. If FA is a 40/60 play, and draft is 50/50, I’d wonder what the ration is on busts in trades… Branch notwithstanding…

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Feb 28, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

With the Patriots' track record...

My thought when they drafted Cassell was, “Interesting drafting a player that couldn’t even start in college. However, he was sitting behind the Heisman Trophy winner. Maybe he was the second best QB in college during that time. Patriots drafted him; he must be able to play a little bit.”

by Azimeir on Mar 2, 2009 11:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No.

Bad is bad. As in Drew Stanton is bad and not worth a sixth round pick. And unrealistic is unrealistic. Like Cleveland isn’t going to trade two first round picks for a second round pick.

by John Morgan on Feb 28, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

I agree there isn’t much to compare… but that said, I would take Drew Stanton’s 2nd or 3rd year to be an equivalent to that of Matt Cassell’s…

I may be wrong… I may be right.

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Feb 28, 2009 12:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The ellipses are mega annoying

and you’re just spitballing. It’s just random bs without substantiation.

by John Morgan on Feb 28, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Very, very much so.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Um. I'm assuming this is a joke;

- Edwards and Quinn individually likely wouldn’t fetch a second rounder, let alone of them.
- Backus and Stanton aren’t worth a second round pick…combined. Maybe a 5th for the both. Actually, not even that.
- Ward is even more ‘washed up’ that Housh, Leftwich is still terrible.
- ….Yeah I feel like an idiot for responding now…

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Clarify

What I meant in the case of Cleveland is that either wouldn’t be traded for simply a second round pick.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Since 'proof' was recently brought up...

What are you basing the statement, “Leftwich is still terrible” on?

Career ANY/A Comparison:

Leftwich: 5.3
Hasselbeck: 5.4

by Azimeir on Mar 2, 2009 11:55 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Cards lose one.

NFL Network’s Adam Schefter reports DE Antonio Smith has agreed to a five-year, $35 million contract with the Texans.

by Misfit74 on Feb 28, 2009 12:45 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Good. I'm saving my belly laughs for Warner going to San Fran, though.

"It's just one big guy against another big guy, both teams know what's at stake. The one of them comes out on top and it feels good."
-Chris Collinsworth, Madden 09

by Wayward Llama on Feb 28, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I made an ass of myself.

Yesterday I told my friend, a Vikings fan, “Houshmandzadeh’s in Seattle. And, you know they’re not gonna let him get out of there without a contract.” Now, it looks like he’s gonna sign with Minnesota. I just think that’s kind of funny..not that you care.

by SoCalHawksFan on Feb 28, 2009 1:05 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but it looked like he was going to be a Hawk until the $10 mil a year price tag came up

"It's just one big guy against another big guy, both teams know what's at stake. The one of them comes out on top and it feels good."
-Chris Collinsworth, Madden 09

by Wayward Llama on Feb 28, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

true.

I really wanted him though. I’m not saying it would have been the right deal necessarily, but I wanted some excitement.

by SoCalHawksFan on Feb 28, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

JAY CUTLER on the trading block?!?!

This CAN’T be true

“NFL Network’s Adam Schefter reports Jay Cutler is upset after his name was involved in convoluted trade talks involving Matt Cassel.
Before the Pats traded Cassel to the Chiefs, the Bucs, Lions, and Broncos became entwined in the talks. Tampa called Denver about a three-way deal that would have sent Cassel to the Broncos and Cutler to the Bucs. The Lions also knocked on Denver’s door about Cutler with Cassel as potential bait, but the Broncos turned down both offers after "entertaining the notion.” Schefter was clear that the Broncos only fielded calls and did not instigate talks."

Source:Rotoworld

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 1:27 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

You might want to reread that.

It says teams talked to Denver about Cutler, not that Denver had any interest in trading Cutler.

by John Morgan on Feb 28, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps.

But it’s interesting that teams even think Cutler might be up to be traded. Why would that be so?

by djafrot on Feb 28, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Because it's their job to ask.

This is the lowest of the low rumors.

by John Morgan on Feb 28, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I realize that, but do you hear any rumours about Eli Manning, or Matt Ryan?

It just seems weird to hear a talented youngster’s name even considered trade bait.

by djafrot on Feb 28, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If theres anything to this at all

I’m sure it had something to do with teams thinking they might be able to fleece the Bronco’s because of McDaniels relationship with Cassel. More likely a bored reporter thought the link made for good rumor, and the idea that the Bronco’s entertained any such notion of trading Cutler is almost certainly 100% untrue.

by Nate Dogg on Feb 28, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Dangit.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Pacman Jones signs with...

SpikeTV!

He joins other washed up athletes in what seems to be a fitting gig for him.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 2:37 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Keith Brooking is now a Cowboy.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 3:29 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Does Kitna to Cowboys signal Detroit making room for Stafford?

With Cassel and Vrabel to KC, will they snap up Crabtree if he gets by the Rams?
I love this stuff, like a good game of chess, but better.
If Stafford, Smith and Crab go 1-2-3, will Seattle go OT (Monroe) or take a flier on Sanchez?

by diehard82 on Feb 28, 2009 4:03 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

0 chance of drafting Sanchez.

Detroit extended Culpepper’s contract and it’s unlikely they’d draft a QB anyway.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 6:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think by signing Culpepper they are showing that they might draft a QB.

Bear with me on this. Culpepper is there to hold down the fort while the QB comes along. I think they realized that throwing the QB to the wolves is not the way to do it so they have their stop gap QB in Culpepper.

by Built2Spill on Feb 28, 2009 10:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Possibly.

I’d still wager on whoever becomes the #1 OT. Maybe even Curry.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 10:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Peace out, Rocky Bernard.

We’ll always love you and your cute sack dance.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 6:13 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Boley would be a good pickup for us if we didn't already have Hill.

Bernard leaving is a good thing. He was a good player in his time with us but honestly it was time to move on. He wasn’t good at all this season, and now we can let Red Bryant or some other up and coming player start.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 6:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Or, we can let a down and out player in Colin Cole start.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 1, 2009 7:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I read that as "Mick Foley" at first

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by BrettJMiller on Mar 1, 2009 7:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Chris Canty

If we signed him would he play DE or DT?

by SoCalHawksFan on Feb 28, 2009 6:26 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I think DT.

Not 100% sure.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 6:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What?

And by all indications, it seems like he wouldn’t make a very good 4-3 DT.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 7:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

BA?

I couldn’t think of a phrase. ‘Balls Awesome’?

by LantermanC on Feb 28, 2009 7:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Man, Dawkins leaving is epic.

All my Eagle fan friends turning all emo on me while I laugh at them as their tears only fuel my soul!

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 11:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully, our first free agent signing isn't a sign of things to come.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 1, 2009 12:57 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

While that would be understandable given the more top end talent in the next draft including God McCoy...

We’re already staring at an elite prospect in the face with the #4.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 1, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Does this "possibly" indicate a move to 3-4?

In green bay, Cole was nose tackle (backup to Pickett) in 3-4, no?

by diehard82 on Mar 1, 2009 1:16 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

No

and it doesn’t. Green Bay is adopting a 3-4 this season, but ran a kind of ultra vanilla cover 2 last season.

by John Morgan on Mar 1, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I know I'm kinda trying to put lipstick on a pig

but the only thing I can think of that makes any sense is Ruskell, et. al. want an anchor in the middle for some reason. Otherwise, why not retain Rock with the same or similar deal?

by diehard82 on Mar 1, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wondering whether the FA Seattle is not courting indicate plans for #4 pick

WR, DT and LB (franchise Hill) are focus of free agent interest, but I don’t see any activity re: O-line. Could this point to plans for Smith or Monroe at #4?

by diehard82 on Mar 1, 2009 2:06 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

It's anchored on the right

We could rec it to the top but it would only move a spot.

by John Morgan on Mar 1, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We'll do that later.

In the mean time, I might as well point out I’m not liking the way free agency has started out so far. I’m usually able to defend most Seahawks moves, but I’m still at a loss for Michael Clayton alone, let alone Colin Cole.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 1, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Why couldn't we have signed someone like Jim Leonhard?

He left the Jets facility, apparently they don’t want him. He combines all the ‘intangibles’ that Ruskell signed Cole for with some actual…you know, talent. Plus, the backlash wouldn’t be terrible because you get to replace Russell’s veteran grit with another white defensive baller who can actually play football.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 1, 2009 5:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yes

but how’s he in an interview?

by John Morgan on Mar 1, 2009 5:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I hear he has a bad stutter.

Rumors of lisp unconfirmed.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 1, 2009 5:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Also, does anyone know what the hell happened to LeCharles Bentley?

He requested to be released by the Browns last offseason so he could have a chance to start somewhere and it was granted. 2x Pro-Bowl center who isn’t old at all still floating around without so much as a workout?

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 1, 2009 6:04 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Really?

That’s a truly a damn shame.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 1, 2009 8:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Some tomfoolery is afoot regarding the shenanigans of the Cassell trade.

If this is true, Belichick is a grade-A asshole….who I’d love to have as head coach just for mysteries like these.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 1, 2009 6:06 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

That whole situation sounds like a lot of bull shit

Occam’s razor, none of this really happened.

by Nate Dogg on Mar 1, 2009 7:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Someone correct me if I'm wrong about this

but as things stand now, we have $2.5 million in available FA cap space left. We stood at $7.5 million after franchising Leroy Hill and lost $5 million by signing Cole.

So if we want TJ Houshmandzadeh, it is likely we will either have to get a long-term deal done with Leroy Hill that backloads the contract or gambles on a potentially uncapped 2010 season…or Seattle needs to get out from under one of the big contracts already on the roster, IE Walter Jones.

by BrianL on Mar 1, 2009 8:37 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Does Cole's 5 million guaranteed all count against this season's cap figures?

If so, someone explain to me how the hell we’re allegedly offering a 3 year deal, with a couple million more per season to Housh.

…How much money are we fucking offering him? O__O

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 1, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I have a friend on another site who lives in Cincinatti

Who said he has someone who is friends with and has talked to TJ Housh this past day and said that he was going to sign with Seattle. Obviously I don’t know how legit this is, but the guy who told me this is usually a straight shooter. Take it for what it’s worth.

by SPENCEMAN on Mar 1, 2009 9:51 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Well since he was supposed to announce by Sunday night

I’m guessing teams are starting to fight for him

"It's just one big guy against another big guy, both teams know what's at stake. The one of them comes out on top and it feels good."
-Chris Collinsworth, Madden 09

by Wayward Llama on Mar 1, 2009 10:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My uncle's cousin's ex-girlfriend's dog's previous owner's brother in law is an acquaintance of Ruskell.

He informs me we’ll be drafting Brian Orakpoop.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 2, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Poop.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 2, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

TJ Sighting

Updating a previous item, T.J. Houshmandzadeh left Minnesota last night and flew home to Los Angeles.
There goes the Vikes’ momentum. Letting Housh get out of town without a contract likely means they are no longer the front-runner to get him signed. The Bengals, Vikes, and Seahawks are the three teams in the derby right now -Rotoworld and Minneapolis Star Tribune

by Misfit74 on Mar 2, 2009 8:39 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Wow, big mess in Denver if all that talk about trying to trade Cutler is true.

Maybe we can snag him with our 2nd rounder, since that’s basically what the Chiefs paid for Cassel, no?

Even our 1st rounder, maybe plus the Broncos’ 2nd? That would allow the Broncos to pick up a QB, though what with all the veterans they’re signing that might not make sense.

Oops, sorry, fantasy GM’ing.

by djafrot on Mar 2, 2009 9:10 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

McDaniels might like Cassel more and wants to install his new regime?

Anyway, we will never get Cutler even if this is true. He seems to be a bit of an egotistical person, he’d never accept sitting until Hasselbeck is done, and I suppose with good reason. He’s young, learning, and improving by the season. I think he made the Pro Bowl this season too.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 2, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Very occasionally this stuff turns into truth

so I get the optimism. Cutler would change Seattle’s future for the better. Still, extremely unlikely. Probably just talk.

by John Morgan on Mar 2, 2009 9:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Just throwing it out there, mostly for fun.

We need a QB, we have a high pick, and if this stuff out of Denver is true, Denver could very well need to move Cutler to stave off a lingering controversy.

I’m not saying it’s gonna happen, or even that there’s that much of a chance… but it just makes sense for both sides at this point. At #4 the Broncos could perhaps get Stafford or certainly get Sanchez.

by djafrot on Mar 2, 2009 2:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, Cutler is such a scheming little douche.

According to SI’s Peter King, Jay Cutler had asked the Broncos to trade him after the team lost offensive coordinator Jim Bates to USC after the season.
Cutler wasn’t happy about losing Bates or head coach Mike Shanahan, and he’s not handling the recent trade talks well at all. It doesn’t look like the Broncos are going to trade Cutler at this point, so, as King suggested, “maybe both sides need to get into marriage counseling.”

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 2, 2009 1:08 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

He's made good progress the past two years.

Not liking a team because it lost two important parts of the coaching staff makes sense to me. I might request a trade under similar circumstances as well.

by LantermanC on Mar 2, 2009 2:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Per the Seattle Times, Weaver is visiting with the Saints.

Good luck, Weave. We hardly knew ye. Have fun with a 700/700 with Brees in the Bayou.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 2, 2009 1:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Weaver, Pierre Thomas, and Bush

That offense would be out of control (again).

by Misfit74 on Mar 2, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That might not be true.

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/football/archives/163189.asp?from=blog_last3
“Despite reports out of Seattle that Seahawks fullback Leonard Weaver was planning to visit New Orleans, no such visit has been scheduled.”

by Built2Spill on Mar 2, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There's hope yet!

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 2, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, nothing like a fresh dose of LOLSKINS to get over the gloom of the Cole signing.

2nd and 6th rounder for 8 starts. Peace out, Jason Taylor.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 2, 2009 1:38 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

The Redskins are such a mess.

Maybe they should try getting a quarterback or receiver to complement their expensive, overrated defense.

Or not.

"It's just one big guy against another big guy, both teams know what's at stake. The one of them comes out on top and it feels good."
-Chris Collinsworth, Madden 09

by Wayward Llama on Mar 2, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I wish we had enough corner depth to cut even an aging vet like Springs.

I’m also curious about their young wideouts in Kelly and Devin Thomas. Kelly’s knees look like he could be a bust, but Thomas has some things going for him. Another year in the system and Campbell could make strides. This should be a defining year for him.

by Misfit74 on Mar 2, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

More on Weaver:

Weaver cancels visit to New Orleans Monday 3/2, 10:56 PM CT
The St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports that fullback Leonard Weaver canceled his visit with the Saints on Monday. There is still a good chance that he re-signs with the Seahawks.

Our View: Weaver is among the better fullbacks available, although he is not your classic lead blocker. He has good hands and is a reliable short yardage running back. He registered 50 touches last season in 14 games.

Weaver has yet to make any trips and some league observers feel he could eventually end up re-signing with the Seahawks.

by Misfit74 on Mar 2, 2009 9:51 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I really hope we get Leonard back

He is extremely versatile and honestly I think may be better than Forsett as a backup RB.

by Mr_Nate on Mar 2, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

true, but how many starting-worthy backs are we going to be able to pay?

"It's just one big guy against another big guy, both teams know what's at stake. The one of them comes out on top and it feels good."
-Chris Collinsworth, Madden 09

by Wayward Llama on Mar 2, 2009 11:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Pay him a fullback's salary,

and then convert him to a runningback? Dirty tactics for the win.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 3, 2009 9:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Madden tactics?

I like it.

"It's just one big guy against another big guy, both teams know what's at stake. The one of them comes out on top and it feels good."
-Chris Collinsworth, Madden 09

by Wayward Llama on Mar 3, 2009 8:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think this vibe is coming from Willis as well.

He hasn’t commanded much, if any, attention despite being a young, large prospect with some decent upside.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 3, 2009 9:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

any ideas on whether we're talking to him?

considering our lack of depth at tackle and TR’s obsession with keeping draft options open, I’d be surprised if we hadn’t been pursuing Willis strongly.

by djafrot on Mar 3, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm surprised we haven't re-signed him already.

He’s a decent player at a need position for us.

"It's just one big guy against another big guy, both teams know what's at stake. The one of them comes out on top and it feels good."
-Chris Collinsworth, Madden 09

by Wayward Llama on Mar 3, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Would be an excellent move for the Chiefs.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 3, 2009 10:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to see Engram go to an AFC contender

Think of what Peyton could do with him.

by djafrot on Mar 3, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

While this page was loading I confused this and Misfit's comment and read it as "Engram visiting KFC"

And was confused for second.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 8, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 8, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Leonhard to the Jets

Damn it, I wanted this white baller. Here’s to hoping Mike Hass earns a roster spot.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 3, 2009 11:50 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

link didnt work for some reason here

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 3, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Dallas just cut TO

haha

Just broke on ESPN, no link yet

"It's just one big guy against another big guy, both teams know what's at stake. The one of them comes out on top and it feels good."
-Chris Collinsworth, Madden 09

by Wayward Llama on Mar 4, 2009 9:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

We should get him.

Yep I’ll be the first to say it. he is an awesome football player even if he is a minus minus in the personality department.

by Mr_Nate on Mar 4, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't give a crap about his personality, the guy was a money WR

I still think a place like Seattle, away from all the attention, is the perfect spot for a guy like T.O.. But we don’t need him now, anyway, with T.J..

Where’s the guy gonna go? And does his availability affect the demand for Crabtree?

by djafrot on Mar 5, 2009 2:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

T.O. has a case of the dropsies

And yes, his availability really affects the demand for Crabtree. Combined with Holt’s impending release, the market could really push him down further.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 5, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Its not a feeling,

Its the drip-drip of spit falling on your face from Al Davis’ open mouth as the Crypt Keeper salivates over the prospect of T.O. in silver and black.

by SeaTownBlueDevil on Mar 5, 2009 6:26 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd. But yeah, I'd wager Al Davis is most interested in T.O.

meaning they won’t likely draft Crabtree. Meaning it’s possible the 69ers have him fall in to their laps at #10…

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 5, 2009 8:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather set myself on fire

Fool you once, shame on you.
Fool you twice, shame on him.
Fool you thrice, and maybe you like the pain.

He’s the same high-maintenence, fat-mouth with the same fast-talking, slave-trader of and agent (after which listening to I must always seek a shower). Character issues sometimes are a little unfair, but this asshole made his bed (and pissed and shit on it) multiple times; his career can’t be over fast enough for me. I don’t believe in seventh chances.

by Azimeir on Mar 10, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sort of old, but Shawn Springs signed with the Patriots.,

I was still holding out on my fantasy that he would come back to Seattle. He’s still a money CB but perpetually injured.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 6, 2009 6:59 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Pats are all about the old dude.

It's great to be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Mar 6, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

edit: *dudes*

It's great to be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Mar 6, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Question:

Would Dexter Jackson (released by CIN) be > than Russell?

by Misfit74 on Mar 6, 2009 8:49 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Patrick Chung

Don’t want to go over what is very old ground round here, but basically anyone would be better than Russell. Jackson is a little old (32 at the start of next season) and past his peak. We should be able to find a better long term solution in the draft (WIlliam Moore, or the other one…. er… whatshisface… er…)

by JamesMurphy on Mar 7, 2009 10:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Chatring Pung.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 7, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What's wrong with James Butler?

Why’s there not alot of interest? He’s a solid SS. Rams and 9ers are the only teams I know that are interested, why won’t we go after him if he will fill a need and possibly take a talented player away from inter-divison teams.

by SPENCEMAN on Mar 8, 2009 3:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Very good move for them.

…Yeah, they actually have the makings of a good secondary now. How weird is that?

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 8, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's weird.

Maybe we’ll draft Crabtree and keep ahead of their depth at corner…

by Misfit74 on Mar 8, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would be awesome, if unnecessary.

Housh yo momma

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 8, 2009 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And as we know by now, T.O. is now a Buffalo Bill.

Excellent, nobody cares about either party.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 8, 2009 8:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Marshawn Lynch

Is gonna teach him how to go beast mode, watch out.

by Mr_Nate on Mar 9, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In the comfort of his own home while he's suspended.

He’s still my favorite NFL player though.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 9, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that was golden.

DEY LET ME POUR MY OWN DRANK

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 9, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was really funny

It's great to be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Mar 9, 2009 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Buffalo

Has to be the only franchise that seems to constant work to upgrade their on-paper roster with the intention of proving that they can be lesser than the sum of their parts. Also, TO can now toil in total obscurity as he opens his big fat stupid mouth in Siberia.

Unless you’re a Buffalo fan, I just don’t see anything bu upside here.

by Azimeir on Mar 10, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps if your team was a part of the AFC East you'd think differentely

I’d personally hate to have to play against Lynch/Owens/Evans twice a year

by Ezzra on Mar 10, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Run past Jason Peters for the sack.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 11, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You'll have to forgive me...

If I don’t think the Buffalo Bills scare the Patriots or probably the Dolphins and to a lesser degree even the Jets. Last year was supposed to be their “break out” year. What a laugh. Also, my point is that He Who Shall Not Be Named is subtration by addition; a declining player that has more baggage than talent at this stage of his career.

by Azimeir on Mar 11, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's precisely why Buffalo could do well next year

No one’s really gonna take them seriously. All they can do at this point is go up (pride-wise, not win-wise, they can definitely get worse win-wise). It would not at all surprise me to see Buffalo “break out” this year.

Nor would it surprise me to see them win 3 games either, so there you go. Who the hell knows with Buffalo?

by Ezzra on Mar 13, 2009 2:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Better question: Who the hell cares with Buffalo?

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 13, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tra Thomas is now a Jaguar.

Man, the Eagles really hate their veteran players.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 9, 2009 11:41 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Matt Birk signed with the Ravens

Has he slipped some or is six million guaranteed a lot for a Center still? Quite a few Olineman have stayed good well into their thirties, seems like a good deal for the Ravens.

PS I know this was late but it wasn’t in the thread. and I was curious as to Center valuation.

by Mr_Nate on Mar 9, 2009 7:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You really think he's worth it?

Not sure how he was over the course of the entire season but from the decent amount of Panthers games I watched, he was getting smoked left and right.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 11, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he's worth something

I don’t know what, but I’d look into it. I’m also under the assumption that he’s still decent, I haven’t watched him much.

by Nate Dogg on Mar 11, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Our new DB coach is the former CAR DB coach

and Mora & Knapp are familiar with him from their NFC South days. Not that it really means anything, but those are the types of connections that can influence signings. I wouldn’t be shocked if he popped up on our radar – for the right price, of course.

by jteckmann on Mar 11, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the fact that he was a former Seahawk that we drafted in the second round.

Heh.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 11, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I haven't seen much of Lucas lately

But if he’s anything like he was a few years ago, he’d be a decent #2 corner for us. A bigger guy to use opposite Trufant, capable of taking on the other team’s possession receiver.

A bigger corner is somewhat of a need, and we know how much Ruskell hates going into the draft with needs…

Would he be that expensive?

by djafrot on Mar 12, 2009 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The first season he was awesome, and then he proceeded to decline.

It wouldn’t hurt to take a cheap flyer on him. It would mean we’d have to drop Kevin Hobbs.

by redwolf75 on Mar 13, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I read somewhere this had to do with system

Forcing him to play zone instead of man, I will try to find a link later today.

by Mr_Nate on Mar 13, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you sure that wasn't DeAngelo Hall?

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 13, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Floyd 'Pork Chop' Womack signs with the Cleveland Browns.

Good luck and hope you don’t get a staph infection, Chop.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 13, 2009 4:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

As we all know by now, we traded Julian Peterson to the Lions for Cory Redding and a 5th round pick -_-

What may have slipped under the radar is that Joey Galloway signed with the Patriots. Expect Wes Welker to have 2,500 yards receiving underneath routes.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 15, 2009 2:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The Patriots are the ExtenZe of the NFL.

If any of you don’t watch ESPN, this is what ExtenZe is. Not only does it increase an old man’s (Galloway, Fred Taylor, Seau, Gaffney, etc.) performance, it also extends his dong/career.

by SeaTownBlueDevil on Mar 15, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow. I don't even know how to respond.

Will Heller signed with the Lions, by the way. What did you guys think of him? I thought he was a decent (but not great) blocker, and okay last-read option. That makes 3 former Seahawks that have joined the Lions this offseason (Maurice Morris, Will Heller, and Jules)

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 16, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I liked Heller too.

Look for us to draft a blocking TE in the later rounds!

by djafrot on Mar 17, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe we signed John Owens for this purpose.

I suppose another one couldn’t really hurt us though. Owens isn’t exactly Will Heller.

by Ezzra on Mar 17, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oops.

Way to keep up, DJ.

by djafrot on Mar 17, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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