Clayton Spurns Hawks for Bucs
Pewter Report has the scoop -- the Bucs have re-signed receiver Michael Clayton to a new five-year contract. The interesting part of the story is that Clayton turned down more money from Seattle to stay in Tampa Bay.
I'm not sure how much money Clayton got, the deal being very new and all, but this seems to be to be as good a bullet-dodge as there is, and yet another ding in my opinion of Tim Ruskell's ability to evaluate receivers. Clayton hasn't posted a positive DVOA since his rookie season of 2004, has been outplayed by Joey Galloway, Ike Hilliard and Antonio Bryant in the last few seasons, and isn't even a lock to start despite the new deal. And Tampa Bay's receiver situation isn't much better than Seattle's - Pewter Report also mentions that a certain Mr. T.J. Whosyourmama will visit Tampa in the near future.
Sometimes, you succeed by not getting what you think you want. This, I suspect, is an example of that particular phenomenon.
UPDATE: According to the St. Petersburg Times, Clayton got five years, $10.5 million guaranteed, and as much as $26 million based on certain incentives. Here's an intresting wrinkle:
Tampa Bay's 2004 first-round pick agreed to terms on a five-year contract with the Bucs, who stepped in with a lucrative deal just as Clayton was preparing to make a free agent visit to Seattle. He was 90 minutes from boarding a flight Saturday when the Bucs called and the sides struck an agreement in principle.
Again, ***whew***. Now, "free-agent visit" doesn't sound like an offer of more money than Tampa Bay was offering, unless the Seahawks had to promise to up the ante just to get Clayton on the plane. Pewter Report isn't generally wrong, but I really hope they are this time.
And as far as what the market will bear, consider that the Lions just signed former Cardinals and 49ers receiver Bryant Johnson to a three-year, $9 million deal. Not that Johnson would be some great fit for Seattle - he's pretty much a straight-line guy. But both Johnson and Clayton were disappointing first round picks -- Johnson in 2003 and Clayton in 2004, and there's very little difference in career production even when you include Clayton's outlier of a rookie season:
Per-season averages:
Johnson: 43 catches, 537 yards, 2 TD
Clayton: 41 catches, 541 yards, 1.8 TD
If the Bucs want to overpay for limited production at the wide receiver position, that's their problem -- actually, it's been their problem for a very long time. But if Ruskell, who was obviously part of that problem in Tampa Bay, hasn't learned from those mistakes, there's trouble in the Emerald City.
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::Wipes sweat from brow::
Thank you, Tampa.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
Huh.
Well, more power to to him, if he really would rather spend time in (gag) Tampa than Seattle.
"It's just one big guy against another big guy, both teams know what's at stake. The one of them comes out on top and it feels good."
-Chris Collinsworth, Madden 09
Shoot, I'D certainly rather him staying in Tampa than here.
Adam Shefter reports it’s unlikely Housh is leaving Minnesota without a contract. That’s that.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
Kinda hard to believe
because they did give Bernard Berrian a 6 year/42 million dollar contract last year. I think they should have been the ones trading for Matt Cassel because that is the only piece they are missing. Why they think they can win with mediocre quarterbacks, I have no idea. Berrian’s a speedster and Bobby Wade is definately a more than adequate slot receiver in my opinion. Also, Sydney Rice is a big target capable of making catches. So I don’t really think wide receiver is their biggest need right now. But, Mr. Wylfe does love to spend money.
by SoCalHawksFan on Feb 28, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
This.
I’m sort of at a loss as to why he even extended a contract to someone like Clayton.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
So he has an excuse not to draft Crabtree
"It's just one big guy against another big guy, both teams know what's at stake. The one of them comes out on top and it feels good."
-Chris Collinsworth, Madden 09
by Wayward Llama on Feb 28, 2009 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
Obviously that's the first thought that pops into everyone's head, but someone like Clayton wouldn't even fit the bill.
I mean, if we signed Housh or someone similar, it would at least be a reasonable excuse…but Michael Clayton? O_o That’s just odd. He would barely be #4 on the depth chart, and Ruskell can’t possibly think the fanbase would be appeased with a pedestrian signing like that.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Feb 28, 2009 11:26 PM PST up reply actions
at this point
a lot of people would be appeased by any movement whatsoever.
But I get what you’re saying. Clayton is a big-mouthed, butterfingered dolt, just like Jerramy Stevens. Just skimming the FA WR list, there are plenty of guys I’d rather bring in than Clayton.
With the hilarious addition of Kellen Winslow, the Bucs are going to be a circus this coming year.
"It's just one big guy against another big guy, both teams know what's at stake. The one of them comes out on top and it feels good."
-Chris Collinsworth, Madden 09
by Wayward Llama on Feb 28, 2009 11:34 PM PST up reply actions
I really hope Ruskell doesn't give a damn about fan base reactions.
Denver fans are calling for McDaniel’s and Xander’s head right now, but if they’re in the playoffs come January no one will remember some stupid Cutler trade rumors. Just win, baby.
We should see if they want to trade Cutler for Russell.
"It's just one big guy against another big guy, both teams know what's at stake. The one of them comes out on top and it feels good."
-Chris Collinsworth, Madden 09
by Wayward Llama on Feb 28, 2009 11:47 PM PST up reply actions
Not necessarily the fanbase reaction..
But the fact that Clayton is a bad receiver and would probably make the offense worse.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 1, 2009 8:55 AM PST up reply actions
IMO it depends on what the contract details were
If it was an incentive-laden, backloaded deal predicated on Clayton regaining his rookie form or he’s cast off, then I wouldn’t have had a problem with it.
If TR was offering a lot of upfront $$$ then … shudders … my optimism of us ever regaining an above average passing game continues to circle the drain.
Agreed
I refuse to take this at face value:
According to the Duemig, Clayton turned down more money with Seattle to re-sign with Tampa Bay.
NFL contracts are notoriously convoluted and without knowing the guaranteed and incentives, I think it’s fair to be a bit cynical about the purport that Clayton turned down more money to stay in Tampa. I mean, why? The Bucs do not even have a starting quarterback.
weather?
I’m deadly serious. Some people just hate hate hate the rain. Seattle doesn’t exactly have a party-town reputation, either.
Matt Cassel is an example of Pioli's NE fetish
Holmgren had a big Green Bay fetish when he showed up.
I think every coach & GM in the NFL would rather go with a known commodity over a complete unknown. They like to stick with guys that they’ve worked with, heavily scouted in the past, or have trusted recommendations for.
You see it with every single team, every year – players rejoining former coaches. Ruskell’s hardly unique in that regard, and I think he’s unfairly slammed for it at times.
I read this as Ruskell is "desperate" for WR talent with experience
and if we were willing to go hard after Clayton, we probably did go hard after Housh. According to John Clayton a minute ago on ESPN News, Housh is deciding between Cincy, Vikes and Hawks and he believes Hawks have the edge. The visit by Clayton may have been a fallback in the event they don’t get Housh, and with Tampa shutting that door, I expect Hawks to be even more aggressive trying to lock up Housh.
I hope by 'aggressive' they don't mean 10 million a year.
That’s simply ludicrous for someone like Housh.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 1, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I heard.
And Moss is arguably the best receiver in the league. Housh…is a good #2, something like a larger Bobby Engram, but not even close to a game-changer.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 1, 2009 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
true
you cannot compare Moss to TJ, it’s not even close.
Which is sort of odd when you think about it because it seems like Moss has been in the league forever.
Perhaps its because he was shattering records left and right as a rookie so his impact was more noticed.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 1, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
You know, I've been waiting, and waiting, and waiting for Seattle do do something
And I wake up to this.
"It's just one big guy against another big guy, both teams know what's at stake. The one of them comes out on top and it feels good."
-Chris Collinsworth, Madden 09

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