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New Comment and Fanpost Guidelines

I think healthy, lively discussion is important for a thriving community. I've been very slow to create absolute policies regarding the content of comments and fanposts for fear of a chilling effect. After a lot of consideration, I realize a few basic rules are needed for the sake of readability, and for the sake of the Field Gulls environment.

1. Fantasy General Managing is no longer allowed. Any post or comment involving elaborate, far fetched trade scenarios will be hidden and the poster warned. This does not bar endorsements for individual free agents or draftees.

2. Two particular types of logical fallacy will no longer be allowed.

A. Appeal to authority. To my knowledge, no other coach or manager in any major sport enjoys the mystique and respect of NFL coaches. Many, I would dare even most NFL fans believe their head coach to have an almost mystical power to influence the fate of their football team. And unfortunately that means many see them as infallible.

I do not think NFL coaches are stupid. I think they are very knowledgeable about the game of football. But I know they are men and as men capable of bias, favoritism, misinterpretation of data, inaccurate emphasis on certain abilities or qualities, superstition, laziness and error. So am I. The opinions of coaches are widely available. My goal is to offer an alternate, informed opinion. (As a side note, if you're interested in an accurate portrait of coaches and executives, I would suggest reading John Feinstein's Next Man Up.)

The problem is that when my opinion or the opinion of another poster differs from that of the coaching staff some readers have a negative and incredulous attitude. The response is typically "how could you know more than an NFL coach?" This is where the logical fallacy comes in. Because an NFL coach is fallible, it doesn't matter their access to information, their expertise or position, they can be wrong and another less qualified person can be right. What matters is the argument itself, not the person who makes it. If an NFL coach can present a compelling argument as to why a player is good, then his argument is to be respected like anyone else's. "This is true because this person says so" is not an acceptable form of argument and will not be tolerated on this site.

B. Call to Perfection. I do not have access to coach's film. I also do not have the time it would take to rigorously document the performance of every player on every play. Even if I did, I do not know exactly what a player is assigned to do on each individual play. This creates an incompleteness to my work. It's possible that I will miss important details and make mistakes. I feel very confident that the information I do have is enough to evaluate the performance of individual players. There is no perfect measure of performance, no perfect measure of potential, but there are good, logical, empirical and transparent methods that have served me well, that I trust and that I think most of the readers of this site trust. Invalidating an argument, because it is not perfect and cannot be perfectly comprehensive is not an acceptable form of argumentation and will not be tolerated on this site.

Let's take this for a test run. These arguments are no longer acceptable:

Brian Russell is a good safety because: He wasn't cut, was praised by whoever, or because his frequent visible failing is exceptional among his complete awesomeness in everything we can't see or prove.

These arguments are acceptable:

Brian Russell is a good safety because: Seattle allowed so few long receptions to his side of the field, Russell pairs his awing athleticism with an Euclidean knowledge of angles (as evidenced by...), or his ability to consistently double opposing receivers (as evidenced by...).

These are logical, debatable, even falsifiable. Most require some kind of work. Because these are logical, debatable, falsifiable and require some kind of work they create interesting conversation in which ideas are exchanged and knowledge spread.

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Fantastic.

Perhaps we could benefit from an amendment including standards for general courtesy and some form of spelling / grammar / relevance guidelines (as in, read your posts once before just dropping inane irrelevance into a conversation)?

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!! I DRINK IT UP!!

by abender20 on Feb 9, 2009 1:57 PM PST reply actions  

Agreed

I think I will flesh this out in August, before the big jump in traffic.

by John Morgan on Feb 9, 2009 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I would say probably before April

You might get a decent spike in traffic in the lead-up to the draft…

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Feb 9, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

There is a jump in the site's traffic leading up to the draft

But it’s surpassed sizably by the August/September traffic. Yeah, I go to the ‘sitemeter’ link, what’s it to you?

by tohereknowswhen on Feb 9, 2009 5:22 PM PST up reply actions  

cry moar.

I agree with John’s post, but setting spelling and grammar guidelines is moronic. Some people simply can’t spell or aren’t very grammatically-correct. That doesn’t mean they should be blasted for trying to post.

"It's just one big guy against another big guy, both teams know what's at stake. The one of them comes out on top and it feels good."
-Chris Collinsworth, Madden 09

by Wayward Llama on Feb 10, 2009 1:45 AM PST up reply actions  

I think its more to

guard against people writing insanely long paragraphs that have no periods, no punctuations other than commas, no new paragraphs, etc. I think its safe to ask for extremely minimal grammatical skills.

by SeaTownBlueDevil on Feb 10, 2009 4:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Sure, as someone with a degree in English, that stuff bothers me too

but let’s not become a bunch of turds here…I mean really.

"It's just one big guy against another big guy, both teams know what's at stake. The one of them comes out on top and it feels good."
-Chris Collinsworth, Madden 09

by Wayward Llama on Feb 10, 2009 7:07 AM PST up reply actions  

I can't speak for John and abender20

but all I want to see is that users are putting effort in to their posts. I don’t expect perfection and textbook English, but I’d like to see that people are at least trying to make their posts coherent.

Occasional spelling and punctuation errors happen. There’s nothing wrong with that, but when I have to pull out a decoder ring to decipher a comment it becomes a problem. If basic grammar/spelling/content guidelines are put into place it will be to prevent comments like this.

by BrianL on Feb 10, 2009 7:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Correct. The point is to make a readable post, adding to the quality of the discussion.

Rambling incoherent comments do nothing to further a conversation. No one is going to set your house on fire if you misspell a word here and there or forget a punctuation mark. However, we should all be aiming to contribute positively to the community, and taking the small amount of care necessary to conform to a few quality standards is for the good of everyone.

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!! I DRINK IT UP!!

by abender20 on Feb 10, 2009 8:41 AM PST up reply actions  

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I feel very confident that the information I do have is enough to evaluate the performance of individual players.

Sometimes, like with evaluating lineman, you probably do, because 95% of their play is on TV camera. But sometimes, like with the positions who are off TV camera 90% of the time, you don’t. If you stated this at the outset and pointed out what is missing from your analysis, you’re conclusions would be much less misleading..

by VBJohnson on Feb 9, 2009 8:00 PM PST reply actions  

It's not like Brian Russell

suddenly turns into Ed Reed when off camera. The aggregate amount of tape on Russell is easily enough to make conclusions upon his talent level.

by redwolf75 on Feb 9, 2009 9:33 PM PST up reply actions  

You're right. This is headed nowhere.

Arguments don’t exactly belong in a “New Comment and Fanpost Guidelines” post in any case.

by redwolf75 on Feb 9, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Could we get some grammar guidelines as well?

Basic stuff like sentence and paragraph structure. Some of these comments that read like haikus are killing me. Taking the time to flesh out your thoughts and put your sentences end to end shouldn’t be too much to ask.

by Nate Dogg on Feb 12, 2009 11:31 PM PST reply actions  

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