Seattle Signs Defensive Tackle Colin Cole
Adam Schefter is reporting that Seattle has signed defensive tackle Colin Cole to a five year deal. Cole will turn 29 June 24, offers almost nothing not freely available in free agency or off another team's practice squad (see Howard Green) and chips away at an already small budget. In fact, the impact of this move is actually worse than that, because Seattle has now committed itself to a marginal player and that marginal player will hurt its defense until he is benched or cut.
Update: The contract is for five years, 21 million with 5 million guaranteed. Seattle has no chance to cut Cole this season and will not likely be able to cut him until 2011. I wonder how well Cole interviews. If you think I'm a lone voice ripping this move, consider the thoughts of Packers blogger Brandon at SBN site Acme Packing Company:
“I’d give the coaches credit if all they did was release DT Colin Cole and replace him with any guy off the practice squad.”
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Expect the one-two
to be a ludicrous contract handed out to TJ Houshmandzadeh.
by John Morgan on Mar 1, 2009 11:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I thought he was unlikely to sign with the Seahawks?
Field Gulls told me so yesterday.
by lemonverbena on Mar 1, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
When a free agent leaves
it is unlikely they sign.
by John Morgan on Mar 1, 2009 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So... he left town without a contract, so it's unlikely he'll sign. But we should expect the one-two of a ludicrous contract handed out to TJ Houshmandzadeh.
Unless I’m missing something, you’ve directly contradicted yourself.
by lemonverbena on Mar 1, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
When he left
it was unlikely he would sign. Now that he has also left Minnesota or at least not signed with them, the chances are increasing that he signs with Seattle.
by John Morgan on Mar 1, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought you were trying to make a joke.
So since he’s left Minnesota without signing a contract (Schefter WRONG?!), what were his choices again? Seattle, Minnesota, and Cincinnati? Or was it Chicago?
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 1, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let me explain my entire thinking
Seattle is interested in Chris Canty. Canty would presumably play defensive tackle. Canty would also cost a small fortune. Seattle couldn’t sign both Canty and Houshmandzadeh. They can sign Cole and Houshmandzadeh and now having signed Cole no longer need Canty. Therefore, this move may be preemptive to fill a need and still allow Seattle to have the cap space to sign Houshmandzadeh.
by John Morgan on Mar 1, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So considering limited options
and Ruskell’s apparent determination to do something, the Housh and Cole route is better than the Canty route, right?
Not saying this is anything but a bad signing, but theres some rhyme and reason to it.
by Nate Dogg on Mar 1, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I had actually warmed to Canty.
I was on word 438 of a “Sign Canty” post.
by John Morgan on Mar 1, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be OK with this. Maybe Cole was a value signing.
Sure, you don’t want to blow your cap space on a guy turning 32 in September. But TJ is a true game-changer. Imagine Houshmandzadeh, a healthy Branch and Burleson, hopefully Engram, Carlson with a year under his belt, a renewed Hasselbeck, Jones behind Weaver and a *healthy O-line… I’d go to war with that.
by lemonverbena on Mar 1, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Houshmandzadeh is excellent
and I’d be very happy if Seattle signed him.
by John Morgan on Mar 1, 2009 12:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OH MY FUCKING GOD.
FUCK YOU RUSKELL
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 1, 2009 11:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Tim Ruskell = Pat Gillick?
We certainly have that sort of trajectory going . . . here’s hoping the Hawks can skip the Bavasi years.
by The Ancient Mariner on Mar 1, 2009 11:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Was Cole a starter in Green Bay?
I’ve never heard of him until he came to Seattle for an interview.
by MFAN on Mar 1, 2009 11:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
He was the last-ditch, bottom of the barrell scrub DT that GB was fielding when they were hit by injuries.
I specifically remember John talking about him personally in the pregame analysis thing about how terrible he is and what a state they were in to be actually playing someone like him.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 1, 2009 12:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No
he putzed around on their second string never accomplishing anything. People think he’s “stout” because he is in fact “fat”. Here’s a quote from Brandon at Acme Packing Company “I’d give the coaches credit if all they did was release DT Colin Cole and replace him with any guy off the practice squad.”
by John Morgan on Mar 1, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
AUGH
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 1, 2009 11:59 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm still going to wait to judge this move. Ruskell has been pretty good
about evaluating DT talent in the pass.
We still haven’t seen the exact contract numbers.
by redwolf75 on Mar 1, 2009 12:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It really doesn't matter his price when he shouldn't be playing.
by John Morgan on Mar 1, 2009 12:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well if he's cheap, and proceeds to clearly suck during the season,
then he can be cut with little to no qualms.
by redwolf75 on Mar 1, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Y Helo Thar, Brian Russell!
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 1, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Doug's post was shortlived.
Heh.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 1, 2009 12:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I was Brian Russell to John's Marcus Trufant...
…on the Ted Ginn touchdown.
by Doug Farrar on Mar 1, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good analogy.
O_<
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 1, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOUD NOISES!!!
I’m not feeling the panic over this.
by Nate Dogg on Mar 1, 2009 12:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Remember Brian Russell and his five year contract
it’s kind of like that.
by John Morgan on Mar 1, 2009 12:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Now I'm mortified.
Now I’m recalling when you thought Russell was just going to be training camp fodder or at best, a backup.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 1, 2009 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I just couldn’t imagine the team was serious about rolling Brian Russell out there as a starter. The only saving grace of this move might be that playing alongside Mebane, Cole won’t face as many double teams.
by John Morgan on Mar 1, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone tenfold as talented than Cole in Bernard didn't face many double teams this season alongside Mebane
and even he had limited success.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 1, 2009 12:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That seems like a worst case scenario thats still a ways off
by Nate Dogg on Mar 1, 2009 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
but the dread makes sense, right?
by John Morgan on Mar 1, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I officially do not like this move.
five-year, $21 million contract
by redwolf75 on Mar 1, 2009 12:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
ok, NOT a value signing
so count me among the skeptical. On the hand: with only $5m guaranteed, he either plays up to his contract and stays on the roster, or doesn’t, and is restructured/released.
by lemonverbena on Mar 1, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why all the hate on Cole?
This guy doesn’t need to be a playmaker, he just needs to be a wide body to fill up space. The last time I remember our playmakers reside in our LB corps and Patrick Kerney (hopefully Lo Jack soon as well), not our interior line. It seems to me that what we need out of our tackles is to hold the line on rushing downs and help collapse the pocket on passing downs, allowing our LB’s to make the plays (much like a 3-4 with a hefty nose tackle). Cole certainly has the physical stats needed for such a position.
I also have a little bit of faith in our new coaching staff. They just spent countless hours over the past several weeks evaluating all the free agents AFTER creating their new scheme and playbook. They obviously are looking specifically at players that will fill the needs of their new defense. I for one am going to wait on making a judgement on Cole until after we see him in action.
by kmedic on Mar 1, 2009 12:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Regardless
of whether Cole is a good fit for this team or not, we probably could have gotten him much cheaper.
by SPENCEMAN on Mar 1, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Howard Green is a wide body who, theoretically, fills up space.
And yet, he’s easily blocked out of running plays and was the prime culprit of Ricky Williams’ 50 yard untouched scamper TD out of the wildcat formation.
“It seems to me that what we need out of our tackles is to hold the line on rushing downs and help collapse the pocket on passing downs” – Isn’t this what all teams need out of their defensive tackles? And like John pointed out, Cole is just fat.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 1, 2009 12:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love our Linebackers, but remember what happened in 2006 without Tubbs.
The players are on the interior line are crucial and help our linebackers make plays, if Cole sucks and pushed backwards on every play then the linebackers are going to have trouble finding success.
by MFAN on Mar 1, 2009 12:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cole doesn't hold the line
he is blown off the line regularly. Despite a talented linebacker corps and players in the secondary strong against the run, Green Bay had one of the worst run defenses in football. That started with their awful interior tackles.
by John Morgan on Mar 1, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
5 yr, $21M and $5M guranteed
and Rocky Bernard got 4 yr, $16M (don’t know how much guaranteed). Ruskell must think he’s an upgrade to Rocky, or perhaps Mora saw something he didn’t like and influenced the decision to let Rocky go.
by diehard82 on Mar 1, 2009 12:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
ESPN's take
“Cole is a short, stocky player with good strength to anchor at the point of attack. He has bounced back nicely from his injury in 2007 to be an effective backup in the trenches for the Packers’ defense. He works with a natural center of gravity and good hand use to keep blockers from getting up on the Packers’ linebackers. Cole is more of a run-stopper than pass-rusher, but can push the pocket effectively at times. He hasn’t developed his pass-rush moves or counters very well during his four years in the league, but he has done a better job getting in rush lanes and getting his hands on some balls. He could start in a pinch, but is better suited as a solid backup. Cole is somewhat-one dimensional, but interior defenders are tough to find and he will likely be retained in the offseason.”
emphasis mine
<http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/fa?playerId=4870>
i’m on the lookout for good news about this signing, but it looks like we overpaid. bummer.
by cro-mag! on Mar 1, 2009 12:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
And this is an optimistic outlook on him.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 1, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe this is just a depth signing?
Since Mora mentioned Red Bryant when he was talking about our defensive line, perhaps the coaching staff views him as the starter and just brought this guy in to rotate?
Although I doubt it considering how much we’re paying him.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 1, 2009 12:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
All of our DTs are going to rotate
…unless Mora changes that Holmgren habit…
Given the risen cap, I can’t make a good judgment on whether this is a decent signing for decent money…unless John is right that he is just fat and sucks—then no amount of money would be worth it. We’ll see. It may be they want Housh bad, couldn’t afford Housh and Canty and would rather have Housh plus Cole then just Canty, as someone suggested.
by Hawkdawg on Mar 1, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Talking with a couple of Green Bay fans I know...
And they are ecstatic that we took him off their hands, because they were worried Green Bay would resign him. We apparently gave him more money as he allegedly turned down a 3 year 9 million contract offer from them.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 1, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How does this hurt our chances of drafting Ziggy Hood?
I was praying we drafted him
by Ezzra on Mar 1, 2009 12:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Where's the faith?
I get all the arguments against Cole, but then again, it’s difficult for me to claim I know something more than the coaching staff does. I highly doubt that Ruskell, Mora, Bradley, and Quinn thinks this guy is just “fat” and “sucks”. They obviously did their due diligence and sees something in him that justifies the signing. Let’s give them a little faith…
by kmedic on Mar 1, 2009 12:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Obviously they like him and thats why he was signed.
However front offices and coaches make mistakes and they’re talent evaluation could be wrong.
by MFAN on Mar 1, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, they make mistakes all right...
but this one is a total, total head scratcher. I don’t see any evidence in this thread that shows he’s anything other than a backup, and we just forked over 20 million bucks.
Are we that desperate?
by djafrot on Mar 1, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Again
thats not the point. It looks like we could have si gned Cole for much less. That’s a lot of money we just gave him, starter money, and he’s been a back-up for his entire career and only seemed to get a decent amount of playing time due to ingjuries.
by SPENCEMAN on Mar 1, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
by today’s standards $5 million guaranteed for a rotational DT is not a bank-breaker. Remember, it’s not the total, it’s the guarantee over the term of the contract.
by Hawkdawg on Mar 1, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
While I think this is a lot of money, relative to other players on our team
perhaps they are looking at the D-line like they do the O-line. It could be that while Rocky is a much better overall DT, Cole anchors better, and that one “skill” is paramount for a team that features Kerney, Hill, Tatupu and Peterson. While he won’t ever be a pro-bowl player, he might just be a good role player.
by diehard82 on Mar 1, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because having a little faith morphs into our starting free safety.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 1, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Id love to see cole as our new free safety.
by xSAMx on Mar 1, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't that be a sight to see.
I’m still lobbying for Oakland to move JaMarcus Russell back to his natural position at DT.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 1, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nor would I.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 1, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This coaching staff had nothing to do with Russell
Yeah, Ruskell was involved with the signing of Russell, but not Bradley, Mora, or Lewis. You can’t blame them for Russell. You can put Cole on them but not Russell. Besides, free agency or the draft isn’t over yet, and I’d bet anything they bring in some new blood to compete with him.
by kmedic on Mar 1, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How can they compete?
Seattle just guaranteed him five million. He’s a lock for the 2009 roster.
by John Morgan on Mar 1, 2009 12:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This.
If his contract was cheaper I’d be crossing my finger to see him on the first wave of cuts, but ooooh boy,
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 1, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Does SOMEONE want to explain this move for me?
It’s certainly not to look like we’re “doing” something, because no one seems to think the guy is a capable starter.
And if he’s so terrible, he’s not actually going to help, is he?
Ruskell and co. must actually think he’s worth picking up. Why? Do they know something we don’t?
by djafrot on Mar 1, 2009 1:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hard worker
Football intelligence.
by John Morgan on Mar 1, 2009 1:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Undrafted free agent.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 1, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
neither of which mean that he's a good player, though, right?
He can be hard working, smart, and uh, undrafted, as much as he/they want, that doesn’t make him good.
by djafrot on Mar 1, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
NFL Live had...
…an interesting graphic in the wake of the Albert Haynesworth signing, about whether spending tons of money on a defensive tackle is worthwhile. If I remember the conclusion correctly, last season the teams with the top 5 highest paid DTs won exactly zero playoff games, and historically that’s not unusual. Point being, I’m not excited about the Cole signing either, but I’m not sure it deserves the level of histrionics currently on display in this thread. We didn’t break the bank here, it’s only $5 mil guaranteed over 5 years.
At this point I don’t think the problem with our defense is a lack of talent, we have a lot of it (Kerney, Mebane, Jackson, Lofa, Peterson, Hill, Trufant, Grant). The problems are 1) underperformance of a lot of that talent, and 2) bad defensive schemes in the past few seasons (all out blitzes at the worst times, corners playing 10 yards off on 3rd and 8, general lack of imagination, etc). I hate BRuss too, but he was by no means the only source of suck on our defense last year. The good news is that #2 above tends to cause #1, and that we have a complete turnover of our defensive coaching staff this season. Hopefully that new staff doesn’t suck, and uses the talent we have to their maximum potential. If that happens, replacing Rocky Bernard with Colin Cole shouldn’t be a disaster. It’s just the first off-season move; give the front office a chance and see what the end result is before you cry ass-rape.
by sev79 on Mar 1, 2009 1:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I fail to see the connection between the DTs play and winning a playoff game.
Kris Jenkins was beasting this season as the Jets’ NT, was it his fault they didn’t even make the playoffs? Same goes for Haynesworth.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 1, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The point...
…is that you can’t invest huge sums of money at every position, so you have to prioritize which ones you do and which ones you don’t. Not saying DT is an unimportant position, just that it’s not super high-impact. Teams are better off spending the big bucks elsewhere, at least that was the argument.
by sev79 on Mar 1, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ass rape = Sopranos reference
One move doesn’t cripple a team. A front office that values football intelligence over actual ability does. I’m starting to think football intelligence is the Seahawks equivalent of veteran leadership.
by John Morgan on Mar 1, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Okay, I’ve been meaning to Netflix that show for a while, guess that’s the last straw. Totally agree on the football intelligence comment — it’s freaking football. It’s a fast game, you need to mix in some guys who bash heads on pure instinct alongside the guys who see the field as an emotionless board of X’s and O’s.
by sev79 on Mar 1, 2009 1:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hey, I'm all for giving the front office a chance
But that doesn’t mean I don’t question the hell out of this move.
And I’m also not looking forward to having to wait six months to find out whether Cole is useless.
by djafrot on Mar 1, 2009 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I cant for the life of me
This has got " We are moving on from the Holgren era" written all over it. Please for the Love of God can we bring back Mike as team president. Big Mike needs to lay the Smacketh down. I can’t even imagine Coach Holgren wanting a second tier player replacing a hidden gem like Rocky.
by Seahawk Bob on Mar 1, 2009 7:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm stunned
Here’s what I wrote at Acme Packing Company. I never even considered some other team signing him. But Packers’ GM Ted Thompson knows when to give up on a defensive tackle, he dumped DT Corey Williams on Cleveland for a 2nd round pick before ex-Browns GM Phil Savage could find out there wasn’t anything special about Williams. And I’m a true homer; I like to find the good in all Packers.
by Brandon on Mar 1, 2009 4:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for sharing.
Now I know my concerns aren’t unfounded.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 1, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So, you dropped a guaranteed 5 large on Colin Cole did'ya?
Over-paying and generally mismanaging the back end of the roster is a fairly common issue, even for good GMs. That’s where they often show their vanity, spending money on guys without a lot of talent, but who make up for it with quote-unquote—football IQ/veteran savvy/Favre-like moxy. It becomes an even worse problem at a talent-thin position.
Sucks for us, but probably isn’t fatal. We have $5mil less now, which probably is not the difference between contending and not contending. It probably does mean, however, that Red Bryant—who was something of a bargain where we got him—had better develop enough so that the coaches HAVE to play him. I shudder to think of a rotation with Terrell and Cole at the tackles.
Having said all that, overall Ruskell has generally gotten it right with his drafts and with the lion’s share of his major moves. But, every personnel exec has an area where he’s just bad. This is Ruskell’s.
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by dcrockett17 on Mar 1, 2009 6:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We lost the Sugar Bear Shuffle for this guy?
Rocky’s stats
Selected NFL statistics
(through Week 17 of the 2007 NFL season)
(source wikipedia)
Tackles 225
Sacks 25.0
INTs 0
Stats at NFL.com
Colin’s stats
(source wikipedia)
Career highlights and awards
No notable achievements
by Seahawk Bob on Mar 1, 2009 7:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I didnt want Rocky back for 2 reasons
1) he allegedly punched a woman in the face
2) he wasnt that great last season
by xSAMx on Mar 1, 2009 8:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Call me a male cheauvanist (sp?)
But teaching that woman her place isn’t the reason I didn’t want him back.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 2, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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