Julian Peterson Traded to Detroit
Peter King at Sports Illustrated is reporting that the Hawks have traded Julian Peterson to the Detroit Lions for Cory Redding and a 5th round pick. This news comes on the heels of the report that Peterson was unwilling to take a paycut. We'll have to see how this affects the cap situation, but:
Redding, 28, entering the third year of a seven-year, $49 million deal, finished last season on injured reserve with knee and groin injuries. He'll immediately bolster one of Seattle's weaknesses -- a low-pressure defensive line -- made worse by the loss of defensive tackle Rocky Bernard to the Giants in free-agency this month.
Ruskell recoups his 5th rounder from the Colbert trade, shores up the interior defensive line, and leaves a pretty large gap at linebacker.
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Well, Curry is now indeed a possibility.
And I bet Hill gets signed long-term.
I don’t know how I feel about redding, but at least his contract had a relatively low amount of guaranteed money. A lot of that has been paid by now, I’m guessing.
by redwolf75 on Mar 14, 2009 10:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He'll not be there at 4.
KC cannot possibly pass him up.
by Dukeshire on Mar 14, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He could be there at 4.
And in any case, the team is clearly not relying on him to be there. It just gives them more flexibility.
by redwolf75 on Mar 14, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, by sheer definition, he could be there.
by Dukeshire on Mar 14, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still think there's a legitimate possibility that KC takes an OT as well.
That way, if Smith and Monroe are off the board as well as Stafford, Curry’s our backup option.
by redwolf75 on Mar 14, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you're saying that if none of the top three picks Crabtree...
our backup option is Curry? Don’t let Fearless hear you spouting that blasphemy.
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by crushedoptimist on Mar 14, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crabtree is also an option.
They key word is flexibility.
by redwolf75 on Mar 14, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, I'm high on Crabtree but I really don't mind if we draft him because at this point he's a luxury, not a huge need.
Stafford or a tackle (not Andre Smith or Oher though) would be good picks. But Curry, I was pretty happy that we were loaded at LB so that would ensure we weren’t drafting him.
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by Fearless Frog on Mar 14, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
YOU FUCKING IDIOT RUSKELL
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 14, 2009 10:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
`
Same story being reported by Alex Marvez at Fox Sports
I don’t know if Curry slips past Kansas City, so I wonder if the Linebacker Platoon idea returns.
by BrianL on Mar 14, 2009 10:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ruskell
has LB drafting skills, losing out on Curry wouldnt hurt too bad
Bringin' the outside heat.
by FizzleDrip on Mar 14, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, that
puts LB back on the board on draft day. It presumably also means DET won’t take Curry, and means there’s a chance he falls to 4 if we want him.
I’m not sold that’s the right move, but I don’t hate this deal… yet. I need to learn more about the DT we got before I judge too harshly.
Good LB’s can be found in the 2nd & 3rd round, too so I don’t think this makes Curry a slam dunk target for us.
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by phil26687 on Mar 14, 2009 10:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, the possibility we draft Curry now is indeed real.
by redwolf75 on Mar 14, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a fucking waste of a top 5 pick
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by Fearless Frog on Mar 14, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we selected anyone other than Michael Crabtree you would say this.
by BrianL on Mar 14, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't necessarily hate drafting Stafford, or Jason Smith/Eugene Monroe.
But Curry?! WTF
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 14, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's still not a guarantee to happen.
by BrianL on Mar 14, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But now it's a distinct possibility, which pisses me off.
We had this fucking position set, and no matter what anyone says you can’t convince me Leroy is better than Peterson. Now we just gave up an elite player for an unproven (and overrated) quantity who is also going to cost more.
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 14, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peterson is elite, but it doesn't change the fact that he'll be 31 next season.
by redwolf75 on Mar 14, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which isn't freaking old.
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 14, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You do realize the aging curves in football are much different than other sports, yes?
by BrianL on Mar 14, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Har har.
But it’s not like linebackers have some precipitous drop-off in performance after they hit 30 like RBs.
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by Fearless Frog on Mar 14, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would say it also
I still think Crabtree will be a stud and the best player of this draft and if he’s there and we pass on him, it will be regrettable. Just a hunch, i’ve been wrong many times before so it really doesn’t mean much.
by B.B.Finnegan on Mar 14, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go familiarize yourselves with the early round linebacker possibilities.
by abender20 on Mar 14, 2009 11:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Marcus Freeman from tOSU looks good.
That being said, I think DD Lewis our other backups will be just fine.
by LantermanC on Mar 14, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ruskell has shown he can find solid LBs in later rounds
Combine this with our current depth, which looks to be a strength, makes me believe we won’t be using a first rounder on Curry.
by Ezzra on Mar 14, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trading the best 4-3 OLB in the league for an average DT and a 5th round pick?!
Fuck this deal.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 14, 2009 11:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I had the same initial reaction, but am warming up to it.
by redwolf75 on Mar 14, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
While I'm not falling over myself in love with this deal
I think it does make a fair amount of sense. I’ll probably feel more strongly about this one way or another once I learn a bit more about Redding.
by BrianL on Mar 14, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How could you possibly be warming up to it?
Cory Redding has always been underwhelming trash. It’s not like we’re getting immense cap relief either because he also carries a ridiculous contract for someone of his low-tier caliber. And a 5th round pick?
The Lions just performed a highway robbery to us.
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by Fearless Frog on Mar 14, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reportedly Redding agreed to restructure his contract to make this trade happen.
by BrianL on Mar 14, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Redding had 8 sacks in 2006. He was double teamed all of 2007.
Last year, he was injured for the first time in his career (he’s showed good health).
Sando posted a scouting report of Redding. He doesn’t look too bad.
You’re overreacting.
by redwolf75 on Mar 14, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's pretty much the sentiments I've seen from Lions' fans
He’s good, but was double teamed constantly and taken out of the equation. Of course, they also go on to say that the same will happen in Seattle…..but they don’t know about our own Mr. Mebane.
It's great to be a Florida Gator!
by Wayward Llama on Mar 14, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If getting double-teamed frees up someone else to go get the QB or RB, I'm OK with that.
Individual tackles and sacks aren’t the only measure of contributions to a winning defense.
Duh.
by Mr Fish on Mar 15, 2009 1:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cole deal
looks even worse now but I think Redding could make a nice 3-tech next to Bane. I think Hill will get utilized better now with more pass rushing opportunities. I hope we wait to grab a LB in the middle of the draft.
by Stoiz on Mar 14, 2009 11:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually I think this makes the Cole deal better...
We didn’t give anything up for him, and he’ll be in the rotation rather than “the starter”. Let me add that I haven’t researched Redding yet and I’m assuming he’s a 1T.
But so far, overall I think we got the worse end of the deal. I would have thought we could have scored a higher pick in the deal.
by Kryten on Mar 14, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But we're paying him starter money.
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by Fearless Frog on Mar 14, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WTF
Julian was a true athlete, tireless.
But he’s not young forever..we’ll see how this pans out.
by paul2 on Mar 14, 2009 11:09 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
?!?!!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? :(
BTW, how;s Cory Redding? Never heard of him.
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by Bramlet A. on Mar 14, 2009 11:13 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Cory Redding isn't average.
He is actually pretty damn good, I think we could have gotten more then a 5th though.
by SPENCEMAN on Mar 14, 2009 11:13 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
scouting report
It’s from his player page on espn:
A five-year veteran with good size and athleticism, Redding has been extremely durable for an interior defensive lineman and has been consistent as a run-stopper. He played hard with toughness and intensity last season despite the fact that his sack total dwindled from eight in 2006 to just one a year ago. Redding utilizes great quickness, foot agility and balance to penetrate gaps and disrupt plays in the backfield. He drew many more double teams last season and was eliminated from plays, but that also allowed the linebackers behind him to stay clean and run to the ball. He has quick hands and is adept at slipping blocks, separating and getting to the pile. Redding is an instinctive player who understands leverage and reacts well to blocking schemes, feels pad pressure well and does a nice job pressing back and restricting running lanes. He will have to anchor the inside alone after the departure of fellow big body Shaun Rogers, but Redding is a good football player and a new offensive emphasis on ball control should help him and the rest of the defense.
by Stoiz on Mar 14, 2009 11:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
From the linebacker perspective, this makes SOME sense.
I wonder it this not only makes signing Hill a priority, but perhaps signing D.D. Lewis as well.
Also, does anyone think that Hill moves to strong-side? This would alleviate some of his coverage concerns, and allow him to get to his strengths. Then perhaps they will linebacker by committee, as John discussed earlier this off-season.
by StandingRoomOnlyHawkFan on Mar 14, 2009 11:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Boy do I have egg on my face.
The obvious implication pointed out by Mahler and Sando is that Peterson’s rejection of a pay cut may mean that his future with Seattle is in doubt. I won’t go that far yet, but the fact that the Seahawks approached Peterson about his contract at all would seem to indicate that the front office is trying to navigate payroll and cap issues for next season. Whether or not Peterson is actually in any imminent danger of being cut or traded isn’t quite clear at this point.</blockquote>
by BrianL on Mar 14, 2009 11:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope Softy was wrong and now I join you
with Banana Cream Pie shmutz on our shoulder. I am in disbelief. I need a hug. JP 20x the LB that Hill is or will be.
by Built2Spill on Mar 14, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm wondering if this signals a change in defensive philosphy
as far as how to build a great defense. There are different schools of thought on this, and one of them is to build a great defensive line and let everything else fall into place. So far, we’ve been trying to do it with a sick LB corps. Maybe now they want to do it with the line instead? Just some food for thought.
As far as the trade goes, I’ll reserve judgement until I hear something on Redding. But he better be pretty good, because JP, quite simply, was a beast.
by Fear on Mar 14, 2009 11:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's a bit odd to completely shift philosophies like that out of the blue, especially since this Ruskell's last year.
If we suck, you can virtually guarantee he isn’t coming back.
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 14, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
although with a whole new defensive coaching staff, it makes a bit more sense in that light. Still, it’s a drastic move and makes the Cole pick up look extremely puzzling.
by Fear on Mar 14, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure the Cole signing would have happened if this move was anywhere on the horizon at the time.
by BrianL on Mar 14, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well if we alternate DTs like we did the last couple years
Then he should still see plenty of snaps. I’m a lot more comfortable with him coming off the bench, and playing with two different people who will be able to draw double teams.
by SPENCEMAN on Mar 14, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why I'm puzzled.
That suggests this was an opportunity that presented itself after the Cole signing. But now we’re stuck with a DT, who’s getting paid pretty well, that we don’t need. He’s purely for depth purposes now, and he pushes young people like Red Bryant way down the roster.
I guess I’m saying it feels poorly timed. Ruskell felt it would make our team better, so he pulled the trigger. That’s good. But he’s also put us in an awkward position where we’re paying too much for a guy who won’t be able to live up to his contract simply because he won’t be playing enough to do so. At best, he’s a sub. And I just don’t like the idea of a sub making 21 mil with 5 mil guaranteed.
by Fear on Mar 14, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this
I hope that Red Bryant dominates Cole in the preseason and passes him on the depth chart.
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by crushedoptimist on Mar 14, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trading one linebacker does not equal a complete shift in philosophy out of the blue.
But if they are shifting philosophy away from putting so much money into the LB position, I’m for it. Most dominant defenses are great because of the D-line. Having great linebackers helps, of course, but their success is too dependent on the D-line’s success. The D-line is the first part of the run defense and generates most of the pass rush. A good pass rush is no good if your secondary sucks. The linebackers are in the middle, they can contribute to both run D, pass rush, and some coverage but generally it seems like really good defenses are strong on the line and in coverage and get along without an awesome set of LBs.
by sev79 on Mar 14, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If, by opening day 2009 Brian Russell is still starting
while Julian Peterson has been packed off, I….don’t even know.
by Will Kier on Mar 14, 2009 11:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
v_v
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 14, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should have swang JP to the Browns for Rogers
I know he doesn’t like the 3-4 but that’s his problem.
by SPENCEMAN on Mar 14, 2009 11:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You'd rather have Cory Redding over Shaun Rogers?
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by Fearless Frog on Mar 14, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Shaun Rogers does his disappearing act for 10 out of 16 games every season.
"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?" - Dr. Venture
by Eegah on Mar 14, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not last season.
He faded towards the end, but it’s been said he stopped because of how the season was in the gutter.
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 14, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So he only did his disappeaing act for the last half of the season?
Truly he is a king among princes among dukes among squires
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by Eegah on Mar 14, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why Ruskell wouldn't trade for him.
but it’s been said he stopped because of how the season was in the gutter.
by redwolf75 on Mar 14, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some history on Redding
courtesy of Wikipedia.
In the 2003 NFL Draft Redding was drafted by the Detroit Lions in the 3rd round (66th overall).
He became the starter at left defensive end prior to the 2004 season. In 2005, he played in all 16 games and set a career high with 42 tackles (29 solo). He emerged in 2006 as one of the best inside pass-rushers in the NFL after moving from defensive end to tackle.
On February 22, 2007, the Lions placed the franchise tag on Redding and he was designated as the team’s non-exclusive franchise player. On July 16, the Lions and Redding agreed to a seven-year, $49 million contract. The deal included over $16 million in guaranteed money. The move came amid a bit of controversy, as it made Redding the highest paid defensive tackle in the league.2
Redding was placed on season-ending injured reserve with injuries to his knee and groin on December 12, 2008.
by Fear on Mar 14, 2009 11:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
more thoughts
I’m getting the impression that Frog isn’t a fan of the deal… :) But that aside, I’m philosophically ok with getting younger on defense in general. I’m ok with getting a pretty good DT (which we desperately needed last year to help the LBs).
And this hurts to say because he’s one of my favorites, but I’m ok with letting JP go too early rather than holding on until it’s too late. Good, winning FB teams make this kind of move now rather wait until he has an unproductive, injury-plagued year and then end up cutting him after the ’09 or ’10 season for nothing. He may stay pro bowl caliber for those two years, but the risk keeps climbing while the reward potential will keep sliding.
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by phil26687 on Mar 14, 2009 11:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Just as a note everyone
John is taking a few well deserved days off and Aron and myself will be in and out today. We expect everyone to play nice while we’re gone.
by BrianL on Mar 14, 2009 11:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Collecting 4.6 million in cap space isn't bad
Ignoring COLIN COLE, some of that 4.6 could be pretty useful in inching Weaver over the finish line to come back to Seattle, for example.
by Will Kier on Mar 14, 2009 11:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Weaver can walk too
We got Owen, and that dude is the beastliest beast now in our locker room. Ever hear of the 10 broken facemasks.
by Seahawk Bob on Mar 15, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Close to a million times now, yes.
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 15, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd probably say this means we will still not be drafting Curry
It looks like they just don’t want to spend the amount of money on linebackers they were in line to do. Now… they sure better move Hill over to Peterson’s spot to take advantage of Hill’s pass rushing ability and hopefully slot someone who can actually cover out of the backfield in his former position.
I’m going to miss Peterson, though. Now I have to buy another freaking jersey.
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by crushedoptimist on Mar 14, 2009 11:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I got the 59 at the beginning of last year
then I see him wearing 98
by Seahawk Bob on Mar 15, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great, so does this mean Red Bryant is buried in the depth chart?
First we sign that fatass who at least provided a glimmer of hope that Bryant could beat him out in camp, but now this?
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by Fearless Frog on Mar 14, 2009 11:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Great, so this means we just got better and deeper at DT?
Damn it.
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by Eegah on Mar 14, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's actually a good point.
But hell, I wonder if he’ll ever see the light of day now.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 14, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's up to Bryant
If he performs the way he’s capable of, he’ll play. If he sucks the way he did at times last year, he won’t.
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by crushedoptimist on Mar 14, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's already at a disadvantage because of the contact we gave to Cole.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 14, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
contract
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 14, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've never seen Cole play and already I hate him.
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by crushedoptimist on Mar 14, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
QB of the DTs.
Who does that remind you of?
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 14, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I will say that this in no way negates what still seems like a crappy deal
Cole looks just terrible.
"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?" - Dr. Venture
by Eegah on Mar 14, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
due to his injury history
he may not anyway. just seems like he may end up being the porkshop of our defense.
However, i think If he’s better he will play. I’d rather we have the best players starting regardless.
by B.B.Finnegan on Mar 14, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember frog, we have a rotation at DT. All are going to get a lot of time.
by redwolf75 on Mar 14, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mebane, Redding, Cole, Terrill, Bryant.
The only one I see Bryant passing on the depth chart is Terrill.
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 14, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And considering the inevitable injuries,
come midseason we will thank the stars we have 5 decent DTs.
by redwolf75 on Mar 14, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cole and Terrill don't especially strike me as decent.
But you’re right, depth isn’t necessarily a bad thing. But seriously, I’d rather we traded for a safety or something else.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 14, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would sure hate to see Terrill get passed up
I would miss that swinging door for opposing running backs he generates after that one swim move.
On the plus side… this probably means for sure we won’t draft BJ Raji.
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by crushedoptimist on Mar 14, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who will play guitar with Paul Allen now if Terrill leaves?
Craig Terrill is mediocre at best. He is the only player that has a close relationship with Paul Allen which might cloud FO minds, I hope it doesn’t. We usually keep 5 DTs anyway. If we draft someone say the Auburn guy (ooh Ruskell loves Auburn) then Terrill should be the sacrificial lamb.
by Built2Spill on Mar 14, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Having a top TD is better then having a top LB
now the question is whether or not Redding is a top DT. And though I haven’t looked in dept, his knee injury concerns me. This means Cole is back to rotation. But still, a dominate DL is better then a dominate LB core. We still have two very good linebackers, were really we only had one good tackle. I will miss Peterson, but realisticaly, how much has it helped our defense to have three really good linebackers and nobody in front of them?
Also, my guess is Hill now becomes our passing rushing linebacker in place of Peterson.
by B.B.Finnegan on Mar 14, 2009 11:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He isn't.
He’s not terrible but he’s certainly not elite.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 14, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Redding has been remarkably resilient over his career.
Last season could legitimately be viewed as an aberration.
by redwolf75 on Mar 14, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyway, this is how I feel and I'll leave it at that so I can go and hopefully come back feeling more optimistic:
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"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 14, 2009 11:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I can help...
Positives:
Increased cap space
Makes our draft strategy flexible (to us) completely unpredictable (to other teams)
Solidifies our DL, even making it one of the strengths of the team.
Allows Ruskell to use his strength in the draft, which seems to be picking LBs.
Picked up the 1st pick in the 5th round.
Negatives:
Lost a Pro-bowl LB.
On a side note, I already like Redding’s attitude a lot better than I liked JPs.
I always HATED when JP would point to the name on his jersey after making a sack. I always thought it was immature and selfish and thought it was behaviour better suited for some other team.
I know he was a beast, and I’m very glad we signed him— but bottom line is he didn’t seem to help our win total. Marcus Tubbs did— and this could make up for his loss. I would rather have a great DL than a great LB corps.
by Kryten on Mar 14, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice little writeup
I had forgotten that we got the 1st overall pick in the 5th round. That’s basically 4th round value. Excellent.
by Ezzra on Mar 14, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's fine, but
I question if Redding is good enough to theoretically make DT a strength. Also, we didn’t just lose a Pro-Bowl LB, we lost one of the finest defensive talents in the entire NFL.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 14, 2009 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked it when he pointed to his name
It’s good to have a little pride. JP was a class act, you’re acting like he was TO or something.
It's great to be a Florida Gator!
by Wayward Llama on Mar 14, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, does anyone know if we are/were shopping Kerney?
Because it would make a lot more sense to trade him than Peterson.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 14, 2009 11:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
leaving Tapp and Jackson as our starting DE's?
no thanks
by B.B.Finnegan on Mar 14, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not at all
LB was a huge strength on a team with lots of weaknesses – thats not going to win anything. Why exactly are you so opposed other than loving JP? You claim that Redding sucks and JP is a god amongst men, but thats not very detailed…just a lot of emotion.
by Jerikantilles on Mar 14, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So let me get this straight
We traded one of our LB’s that were taking up over 20 mil in cap space and gained a pretty good DT that will free up Lofa Hill and whoever replaces JP, we also cleared 4.6 mil in cap space AND we gained a 5th rounder that makes up for the Colbert trade. Hmmmm as much as I liked JP I really can’t find anything too wrong with this deal except for the fact that we WAY overpaid for Cole but that is neither here nor there….Kind of interested to see how this all works our come regular season.
by dirtydrummerhawk on Mar 14, 2009 11:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
First: NO NO NO NO NO NO FUCK NO!
Second: Waiting for the other shoe to drop. Theres no way this just happened.
by Nate Dogg on Mar 14, 2009 12:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sucks for Redding
imagine the shock of having to leave the legendarily awesome Detroit Lions??
by B.B.Finnegan on Mar 14, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really sucks for Julian, but he can blame himself.
He was given the opportunity to take a pay cut and stay on a competitive team. He chose money. He now has money and plays for the Lions. Have fun losing, JP.
by sev79 on Mar 14, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also you can in part thank Housh for this trade
for better or worse. Adding 7 mil to the payroll unexpectedly certainly was a big contribution to our sudden cap crunch. Without it I’m pretty sure we can afford to keep Peterson and would have.
by B.B.Finnegan on Mar 14, 2009 12:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
is it possible
That Mora/Ruskell/Others liked what they saw in Curry so much that they viewed Peterson as expandable? Mora seems to know JP better then anyone(San Fran ties) so this trade is a little surprising. I certainly hope we aren’t expecting that Curry will fall to us. However building from the line and going out makes a lot of sense. It would be like having 3 all-pro linebackers and a terrible offensive line. Is the tandem of Redding/Cole the answer though, I think that is the biggest question.
Also Ruskell is pretty apt at finding late round linebacker talent, maybe he turns the #1 pick in the 5th round into a player of Hills ability. If Redding pans out suddenly the trade looks pretty dynamite.
by Hancock.Brett on Mar 14, 2009 12:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would say it can't be Curry
but this move seems pretty retarded so maybe they are planning on Curry dropping to them.
by Nate Dogg on Mar 14, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew it, I knew it, I knew it!
Ever since two days ago, when I heard that the Seahawks were bringing Curry in for a visit, and you guys were speculating whether it might mean that Hill might be traded, I had felt that Peterson was the guy most likely to be put on the trading block.
I wasn’t against the idea of trading Peterson, but I’m not sure how I feel about what the Seahawks got in return. Cory Redding is a good DT, but he doesn’t force opponents to game plan for him like they do for Julian Peterson. Plus, I think they could have gotten more than a 5th rounder.
I’m not sure this move means that it makes Curry that much more of a distinct possibility, because there are some good LB’s to be had later in the draft, but if the Seahawks have some LB’s on their board in the 2nd round, I do think this move makes Patrick Chung less of a possibility.
But if they are indeed thinking of getting Curry, and if they want him that bad, that they’d be expecting him to fall to the them; we have to consider the possibility of them trading up to get him if that’s the case.
by Carl Shinyama on Mar 14, 2009 12:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And if they don't get Chung..
They had better draft Hamlin!!!
by Carl Shinyama on Mar 14, 2009 12:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't mind this deal at all.
I think we’d all agree that Seahawks probably won’t that great next season (maybe 8-8.9-7 if a lot of things break right). I love Peterson buts he gonna be 31, is very expensive and there is a decent chance his play starts to decline.
So, for a team that is somewhat rebuilding, we shed some cap space, gain a 5th round pick and add a very good DT. I don’t think we draft Curry, I think Lewis or Will Herring can fill in for a year or two and we’ll be ok.
This trade does make me hate the Cole deal even more though.
by MFAN on Mar 14, 2009 12:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Zach Follett anybody?
There are plenty of good LBs in the mid rounds this year. While I think JP is elite, the draft class’ strength in LBs might have made the decision easier to swallow.
by Built2Spill on Mar 14, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is fine
Peterson was a good athlete, but what has our defense done since he’s been here? Zip. He gets sacks, but is that what you want your LBs to specialize in? I constantly hear this rubbish about how letting Hutch go allowed us to sign Peterson, and I still don’t think that bought us anything but losses.
Peterson is a nice guy and a great athlete, but our defense and LB corps in general performed better when he wasn’t here.
The post superbowl off-season was a disaster. We signed Alexander to a long-term deal, let Hutch go, and signed Peterson. 3 really bad moves.
by lordtd on Mar 14, 2009 12:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is so wrong.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 14, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
I normally don’t pile on. But I just can’t agree with anything in his post except this:
Peterson is a nice guy and a great athlet
The rest has made my scalp bleed.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Mar 14, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
1 out of 3 isn't bad?
The Alexander and Hutch deals were fiasco’s but Peterson was a really good pick up. He wasn’t as noticeable as the loss of Hutch and the decline of Alexander was but he was consistently great for the Hawks. He wasn’t just a sack guy, although that is a big part of what they asked him to do, he was good in coverage and played the run well too. Knocking him for racking up sack totals seems… familiar.
His athleticism allowed for some flexibilty on defense and the fact that Marshall did his best to squander that flexibility shouldn’t be held against him. Neither should the Hutch deal. The intention was never to lose Hutch so we could get Peterson, I’m not even sure that the money that would have gone to Hutchinson went to Peterson at all. I think thats where Burleson got his money, but I’m a little fuzzy on the timeline. You can’t hold bad decisions by the front office against him and you can’t hold team performance against him.
by Nate Dogg on Mar 14, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, plus we signed him from SF
which is a nice bonus.
It's great to be a Florida Gator!
by Wayward Llama on Mar 14, 2009 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would not categorize signing Peterson as a bad move.
He by and large lived up to his contract.
Not sure if I agree with abender that this move leaves a large gap at LB. The Seahawks still have D.D. Lewis, do they not? Well, they went to the Super Bowl with Hill, Tatupu, and Lewis.
by Carl Shinyama on Mar 14, 2009 12:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
DD Lewis is an unrestricted free agent.
by BrianL on Mar 14, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
while expending all this effort / players to get 2 DT
We don’t resign Rocky B? He’s beastly!
by paul2 on Mar 14, 2009 12:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Rocky beastly?
By beastly, you mean beats easily? I thought that Rocky struggled tremendously recently. In 2005 and 2008 he was given 1 on 1 situations often, and in 2008, capitalized minimally. Truthfully, I am not sure why. It could have been scheme but I know for sure, Beastly =/= Rocky and Rocky =/= Beastly.
by Built2Spill on Mar 14, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome!
By beastly, you mean beats easily?
by Kryten on Mar 14, 2009 4:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So long JP, it was fun while it lasted
I’ll decide whether or not I miss you after this season is over
by Ezzra on Mar 14, 2009 5:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
From what I've read so far this is a great move.
Moving JP for Redding (+ money, + a draft pick) is actually akin to keeping Hutch instead of Alexander back in the day.
If you get really good play from your defensive line, it helps your linebackers immediately. It looks like Redding is fully capable of demanding double teams, and we already know Mebane does the same. This combo is DEADLY as it means less penetration by opposing guards and fullbacks into the LB corps.
Just like Hutch was good enough to turn Alexander into a superstar and would have been good enough to turn the average RB into a 1300 yard guy, Redding + Mebane is going to make whomever fills JP’s spot (a combo, I hope) look very, very good.
Great move, I applaud it wholeheartedly. Ruskell is really bringing the goods this offseason. And we haven’t even drafted yet.
by djafrot on Mar 14, 2009 6:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Really disagreed with that SI article
Peterson, 30, had just five sacks in 2008 and was part of the reason why the Seahawks’ vaunted linebacking crew contributed to an awful season
I’m gonna argue it had more to do with with the rest of our defense than our LB’s
Peterson has shown flashes of being a great rush linebacker, but he’s given the 49ers and Seahawks only 46 sacks in nine seasons.
And 24.5 of those sacks were in the last 3 seasons in Seattle, including 19.5 in 2 seasons.
by Ezzra on Mar 15, 2009 2:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Moronic article.
It was Marshall’s fault that he didn’t have around 10 sacks like usual.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 15, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now who will replace him?
I know a lot of you have a lot of faith in Will Herring and what not, but I don’t think he’s the answer. I think if Curry falls to us, there is no way we will pass him up. Unless we fill the need in free agency… Derrick Brooks is familiar with Gus Bradley’s system. Also, Angelo Crowell is on the market. He had a great 2007 season, but missed all of last season due to knee surgery. And what about Brian Orakpo from Texas? Can he only play OLB in a 3-4?
by SoCalHawksFan on Mar 15, 2009 9:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think we get a middle round LB
And have DD Lewis play the other LB meanwhile. We will have the same LB crew as we did during the SB run.
by Built2Spill on Mar 15, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Curry would be a terrible pick, but we could potentially trade out of the top 5 if he fell to us for some team that wants him.
Derrick Brooks makes Peterson look young so that would suck (although I have a feeling he might visit us soon…). Angelo Crowell might be a decent signing but if I’m not mistaken he’s entertaining offers from like 3 or 4 teams already.
Orakpo could possibly play OLB in a 3-4….But we aren’t running a 3-4.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 15, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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