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Seahawks Mock Draft 3

Trading Julian Peterson is the latest move to shake up the Seahawks draft. Seattle has new needs and new positions that are essentially filled. I'm not willing to pencil in Aaron Curry at four. Not just yet, but those who think he'll be too expensive or defeat the purpose of trading Peterson should remember early picks start out relatively cheap. Once upon a time Seattle signed Peterson despite having two very promising linebackers, so Ruskell isn't opposed to concentrating talent in the position. I don't consider Seattle players in the Curry sweepstakes just yet. Mostly because I don't see how he slips past Kansas City.

I consciously put in new names in each mock draft, even when I think one player (Michael Hamlin) has a better chance of being drafted than another (Terrance Taylor). I do that to introduce as many players as possible that I think Seattle might target. Here's a whole new batch, updated for recent moves and with four additional seventh round picks.

1. Eugene Monroe OT

Monroe makes too much sense for too many reasons too ignore. He's probably the best offensive tackle in the draft, though some prefer Jason Smith's potential. He's athletic, with great feet; a great fit in a classic zone blocking scheme, and is an already polished, even dominant pass blocker. Sean Locklear stays at right tackle. Ray Willis sticks at right guard. Walter Jones, if he can play, sticks at left tackle and Monroe develops under one of the all time greats while playing left guard.

2. James Laurinaitis LB

Seattle's new coaching staff has shown a willingness to be flexible about positions, and so though Laurinaitis has played inside his entire college career, I don't think that will discourage Seattle from drafting him if he's available at 37. Understanding that, Laurinaitis is so Tim Ruskell he might have to check his underwear. A three year starter at a major football force; as decorated as a war veteran; an incredibly aware team leader that does nothing but produce, Laurinaitis is a more athletic Tatupu 2.0. He has the coverage skills to play the weakside, and the size and bulldog mentality to take over LeRoy Hill's lead-blocker-bashing, decoy blitzer duties. Laurinaitis isn't real straight-line fast, but he's a very good athlete, and, well straight-line fast is immaterial for an outside linebacker.

3. Nate Davis QB

Davis defies many of the rules we associate with Ruskell, but he makes a lot of sense for Greg Knapp. He has a big arm and is mobile. He's knows how to roll out and is good throwing on the run. And he's really not someone you have to build an offense around. Davis gives Seattle something of a developmental quarterback, without actually pressuring Matt Hasselbeck or stopping Seattle from selecting another quarterback next year. Both Davis and former Seahawks quarterback Charlie Frye played in the MAC.

4. Antoine Caldwell C

Whether Chris Spencer fully develops or not, the question for Seattle is how best to replace him. Spencer is a free agent in 2010, and should he show anything as a center in 2009, he will be paid too-damn-much in free agency and effectively price himself out of Seattle. Should he struggle in 2009, it's fair to say Seattle writes off the losses. Either way, Spencer's days in Seattle are numbered. Luckily, this is an excellent draft for centers, and a good talent like Caldwell could easily fall into the fourth. Caldwell is a powerful blocker that could play guard in a pinch. Caldwell is a punishing run blocker, but not the most agile in space. I'm interested in how Seattle will institute its zone blocking scheme. Caldwell isn't a classic zone blocking lineman, but neither is Ray Willis or Mansfield Wrotto. He is an excellent center for any team that plans on running a lot.

5. Chris Clemons FS

It's hard to get a good read on Clemons. He played deep cover at Clemson, but somehow recorded 150 solo tackles in three seasons starting. Yet his reputation for coverage is excellent. He was considered a late round flier, a second prize to teammate Michael Hamlin, until he went off at the combine: 4.38 40, 37 ½" vert, 19 reps at 225. He hasn't been tagged with the workout wonder label and his stock hasn't soared, plus, at 24 as of September 15, he's not much of a developmental prospect, but when a player has production and ability, has excelled at a major conference and seemingly slipped through the cracks for no apparent reason, that's a good risk to take in the fifth.

6. Graham Harrell QB

Don't be surprised if Ruskell drafts multiple quarterbacks with Seattle's eleven picks. Not only will one maybe stick, but the team isn't just replacing Hasselbeck, it soon will be replacing Seneca Wallace, too. Harrell is the sober yin to Davis's raging yang. The more studious and methodical of the two, that produced at an exceptionally high level at Texas Tech, but isn't much as a raw prospect. It's unfair and rather ridiculous how much of Harrell's faded stock is the result of a poor Senior Bowl. Scouts feared the worst and got a tiny sample of it, using that sample to confirm their every doubt. Plenty of quarterbacks play poorly in the Senior Bowl. The simplified offense and total lack of timing or trust between quarterback and receiver make it a cornerback's playground. Harrell attempted 2,010 passes in college. He was only sacked 41 times. He completed 69.8% of his passes. His numbers were sterling before Michael Crabtree. He didn't fall apart against good competition the way Colt Brennan did and he faced more of it than Brennan ever did. Where Brennan is a questionable character, Harrell is a three time Academic All-Big 12. That doesn't make him an elite quarterback prospect, but it does merit consideration. At some point, no matter the system or the surrounding talent, a quarterback can only be so good.

7. Jeremiah Johnson RB

I sometimes wonder if once a draft or so, a running back slips through the cracks because they're legitimately slow off the blocks. They're not slow, they just suck at track. A good example of that might be Steve Slaton. Slaton's overall 40 time was 4.45, disappointing for a speed back. Certainly unimpressive in a class including Chris Johnson (4.24) and Darren McFadden (4.33). But Slaton's top speed matched Johnson's. They both traveled the final 20 yards in 1.83 seconds. Maybe Johnson accelerated better, but their 10 to 20 times are very close. Slaton ran it in 1.05 to Johnson's 1.01. No, really what sank Slaton was his time to the first 10: 1.57. Johnson: 1.40. Now, that could be a lot of things. It could be more important than their respective 40 times. But that's very hard to know. What's academic is that Slaton had very little trouble busting long runs in college, and was certainly not slow.

That description fits J. Johnson. Slaton and C. Johnson's top speeds are 10.93 yards per second; J. Johnson's is 10.47. That's a little less than a mile per hour difference. J. Johnson had plenty of long runs in college, including three of 70 plus in his final two games. I'm not saying he's a great running back or a great prospect, but I am saying his 40 time might not be a good indication of his playing speed. He produced at a very high level in the Pac 10. If he's devalued because he lacks speed, he's devalued foolishly.

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8. Brannan Southerland FB: Good fullback prospect out of the SEC that lost time in 2008 with a broken foot.

9. Robert Francois OLB: Toolsy linebacker out of Boston College. Only 14 starts. A standout special teams player.

10. Nick Reed DE: The 2008 Pac 10 sacks leader, Reed is a man without a position. Can you say WEST COAST DEFENSE?

11. TJ Conley P: Conley homed in a dome and away-ed in mostly warm weather. Scouts aren't crazy about his hang time or mechanics. Conley led NCAA football with a 47.43 yard punting average, almost two yards better than second place. Also noted for his athleticism and ability to tackle down field.

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Question for anyone

Why do the Seahawks have the 5th pick in the 2nd, 4th, and 6th rounds?

by thebiz on Mar 18, 2009 3:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If you want another reason to believe most mocks are crap

The PFT mock has the ‘Hawks taking Sanchez at #4. I’m pretty sure I’d throw myself out of a window if that happened…

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."

- David Foster Wallace R.I.P.

by phil26687 on Mar 18, 2009 3:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

most mocks are crap*
  • this one excluded, I only referenced that because of John’s low opinion of mock draft sites

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."

- David Foster Wallace R.I.P.

by phil26687 on Mar 18, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I feel like no matter who we pick at 4

I’ll be unemotional. We’ve run the gamut of possibilities so many times, nothing would surprise me, and I don’t have a strong ‘BUST’ sense about any of the guys.

by LantermanC on Mar 18, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

2nd round

Is there really a chance that Laurinaitis falls that low? If so would taking him over Chung benefit the team as much? Seems like drafting talent at one of the highest position of needs as opposed to one where there are already 2 very nice pieces would be ideal.

by Hancock.Brett on Mar 18, 2009 3:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Mid-afternoon mock draft delight?

This would rank as just an ok draft in my opinion. First two picks are fine, though I think we have enough LB depth that Laurinaitis is not necessary. I feel like Davis will be a bust, and going in the third might be a reach, though that could just be me listening to Kiper too much.
Rounds 4,5,6 all seem like good picks. I just don’t see the point in getting Davis in the 3rd, when you can get Harrell later (or even Painter, Reilly, Bhomar, or Boeckmann in the 6th or 7th).

by LantermanC on Mar 18, 2009 3:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I like Davis

Can’t explain why, but I’d be thrilled if we took him 3rd round. If he somehow slides to the 4th, I’ll be screaming for it.. Outside of the top 2, he’s the only “project” QB that interests me. I definitely see the bust potential there, though. But mid round QBs is one area where I don’t mind a roll of the dice – the pay-off’s huge if you hit it. I get this vibe off him that if he’s pressed into service right away, he’ll end up permanently deer-in-the-headlights like Tavaris Jackson. But if he sits 2 years and gets his mechanics down, he’ll be like a young Steve McNair. Sure, he doesn’t fit the Ruskell Mold, but he is a productive 3-year starter. And maybe the # of QBs that have come out of the MAC recently will have TR thinking of it more as a big conference.

Aside from Davis, it definitely seems like a weak 2nd tier QB draft. I know this is close to the dreaded fantasy GM, and I mentioned it in another thread – but if I were Ruskell, I’d seriously try seeing what type of offer it would take to get Brohm out of Green Bay before taking a late flier on one of the guys in this class.

by jteckmann on Mar 18, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Question on Laurinaitis.

Is he a ILB or can he play OLB? I thought he was a MLB so I didn’t pay much attention to him. But from what I’ve read, he does seem like a Ruskell guy. Sure tackler, production, character, pass coverage, a bit slow at the combine.

Also I looked him up on google, and the third most popular search is ‘James Laurinaitis girlfriend’. I wonder if a bunch of girls are searching that, or if it’s a bunch of guys. Seems odd either way, unless he has a girlfriend who’s a cheerleader or something.

by LantermanC on Mar 18, 2009 4:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He's a stud football player at a big school.

I’m assuming his girlfriend’s tremendously attractive, hence the searches.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 18, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They're all hot.

But according to the comments, a lot of them are not the actual girlfriends of the players. Just random hot girls they took pictures with.

And Colt McCoy DOES look like the kid from Malcolm in the Middle.

by LantermanC on Mar 18, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We should draft a couple of those ladies with our 7th rounders

I’d rather seem them on the sidelines than some random player who doesn’t have a chance in hell of starting.

by Ezzra on Mar 18, 2009 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean like Kyle Williams or Courtney Taylor?

We sure tried hard to make everybody get a chance to start.

by Built2Spill on Mar 19, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Courtney Taylor

Logan Payne, Jordan Kent…. they all sound like hot girls!

by cro-mag! on Mar 19, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My friend called them "The Babysitter's Club"

Because the names sounded like a gaggle of pre-teen girls instead of WRs.

by jteckmann on Mar 19, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I forgot what columnist cracked a joke about them near the beginning of the season.

Something along the line of Jordan Kent, Courtney Taylor, and Logan Payne sounding like the cast of 90210 (w/e the hell that show is called, with the zipcode) or Gossip Girl (can’t remember which) rather than Hasselbeck’s leading targets.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 19, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That result springs up for a lot of players

I don’t see any reason Laurinaitis can’t play outside linebacker.

by John Morgan on Mar 18, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They also have

‘Jay Cutler is (fat)’
and
‘Josh McDaniels is (he married)’

by LantermanC on Mar 18, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you think there is any particular reason

why he’s not consistently projected as a top 20 pick? I don’t see why a guy like Curry is a consensus top 6 pick and guys like Rey and Laurinaitis might fall past 20? Rey I guess because of his 40 time, and his habit of over pursuing and Laurinaitis because of his 40 time as well? Both ran 4.8s I believe.

by LantermanC on Mar 18, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't either are falling past 20.

Maybe they are projected to but there are several teams in the teens that could use LBs.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 18, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

All sorts of stuff

Laurinaitis is from Ohio State and Ohio State has developed a bad reputation with linebackers.

He’s not super-quick or super-athletic, and if you’re going to draft a second tier position like linebacker in the first, you expect them to be both.

He played against a lot of bottom-feeding offenses.

He probably doesn’t have the size to play in a 3-4.

Look at Paul Pozluszny. He’s almost a perfect comp. Linebacker is like running back or any other position. You’re not drafting for a player’s college career, you’re drafting for their potential and there’s plenty of faster, stronger and more athletic linebackers in this draft than James Laurinaitis.

by John Morgan on Mar 18, 2009 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather see Robiskie with the second pick

And then some combination of Hamlin and Davis in the 3rd and 4th. Otherwise I like this mock quite a bit.

With Ruskell filling out the draft with that 5th rounder from Detroit it seems like theres a good chance he could try trading up for someone. Are there any players that jump out to you as guys the Hawks might move up in the second or third round to get?

With the Monroe summary, did you mean Locklear stays at right tackle?

by Nate Dogg on Mar 18, 2009 5:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I like the Graham Harrel pick

and Eugene Monroe. Nate Davis I just don’t trust. With the number of quality safeties that should be available in the third round, I won’t be happy if we pass on Chung or Hamlin (or whoever is left) for Davis.

by Fear on Mar 18, 2009 5:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I have a feeling you are avoiding drafting the same players twice, right?

Because I’m pretty sure if Patrick Chung is available in the 2nd round, we’ll take him over Laurinaitis. I also think we have too many holes to draft two developmental quarterbacks when we have Seneca around, not sure we’ll leave camp with four quarterbacks on the roster.

Anyways, I like the Eugene Monroe pick, the Caldwell pick, and especially like the Jeremiah Johnson pick (if he were still available at that point). Johnson would be a terrific fit for a zone blocking system, in my opinion.

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Mar 18, 2009 6:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Johnson has some of the size that Forsett does not.

Outside that, I think it’s more continuing to accumulate potential late round RBs to see if one sticks.

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Mar 18, 2009 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's Chung

1. Monroe
2. Chung
3. Eric Wood/Antoine Caldwell/A.O. Shipley (Centers)
4. Mike Reilly, QB 6’3" 215, 3,6 gpa in engineering, 3700 yds 37 TD, 6 INT, 65% completion
5. Andre Brown, RB NC State 6’ 225, 4.3 to 4.4 40
6. Domonique Johnson, CB 6’1", 200, 4.3 40
7. George Bussey, OG

by walruz on Mar 18, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or

1. Chung
2. Chung
3. Chung
4. Chung
5. Chung
6. Chung
7. Our yearly Long Snapper

by SeaTownBlueDevil on Mar 18, 2009 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like where this trend is going!

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 18, 2009 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Frog.... something like this?

Round
1. Patrick
2. Connie
3. Wang

by iverson2169 on Mar 18, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My hope, however unlikely it may be.

Trade with Philly for 21 and 28
1.21.Oher
1.28. Robiskie
2. Duke Robinson
3. Michael Hamlin
4. Eric Wood
5. Zach Follett
6. Tyrell Sutton
7. Mike Reilly

by LantermanC on Mar 18, 2009 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

At the Combine, I talked to Greg Cosell about Harrell...

We shared some primary concerns (15-20-yard stick throws, general arm strength, mechanics in play action), and he shared another one with me — when Harrell’s under pressure, he tends to back up out of it, which means that he’s falling away from the throw and the play. This isn’t a Joe Flacco, who can use his arm to adjust through a lot of issues. I could maybe see him succeeding in the Green Bay style of offense, where the quarterback is directed to throw little dinks to a bunch of YAC guys.

I’m very intruiged by Davis — much less so by Harrell. I just don’t see what he’s got that is going to make him any better than Kliff Kingsbury and Sonny Cumbrie and those other Tech washouts.

That said, I’d be pretty damned happy with your first three rounds. Caldwell’s got my interest, too.

by Doug Farrar on Mar 18, 2009 8:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow, thanks for the inside info Doug.

Davis is a puzzle to me. I was high on him, but unfortunately the only two games I watched him play were late in the season when he sucked. Is there an NFL comparison to another player?

by LantermanC on Mar 18, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doug.... did you see Davis throw?

He’s listed at 6-2 215’ish, but I’ve heard some say that he plays taller than that. What would this mean from a functional standpoint?

by iverson2169 on Mar 18, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't see Davis throw.

I was in the stadium for the second group, and if Davis was in that one, I didn’t see him (I was too busy getting religion on Sanchez). I like his throwing on the run based on limited viewing — he shows really good zip and a confident release. He was a spread QB, but not the typical one where the system was used to hide a noodle arm.

NFLDraftScout.com compares him to Quincy Carter. Heh.

by Doug Farrar on Mar 18, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Doug.... and speaking of Sanchez

It seems that when people try to find a “knock” on Mark, it’s always the experience factor. Did this seem to be a legitimate concern for you as well? …. and how exactly do these scouts go about weighing a guys lack of game experience based on what they see at the combine?

by iverson2169 on Mar 18, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

16 games at SC is like 32 games a lot of places.

As Sanchez said in Indy, “I have more starts that Matt Cassel.” :-) Your pro system will help a lot.

I don’t know if you can get a read on inexperience through drills — maybe in the interviews or when you’re asked to draw plays up for teams. I would think you see that after watching game tape.

I’ll say this, though — strictly on the Lucas Oil turf, I have NEVER seen a quarterback with footwork like his. I don’t care about the arms there, because they’re not under pressure from defenders, and the incompletions tend to be about half the recievers’ fault. I look at the little things, and I just got a feeling about Sanchez. He’s going to be special.

by Doug Farrar on Mar 18, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Love the reply about Cassell's starts...

Since I’m new here Doug, I am not aware of your credentials (my apologies). When you say you have never seen a QB with footwork like that, I assume you mean in person?

What kinds of players that you’ve seen before would you compare his footwork to, and what do you mean by footwork (5 and 7 drops?). Usually the TV coverage just has some positional drill highlights so you dont get a real read on what the drills consist of.

thx in advance.

by iverson2169 on Mar 18, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've covered the last three Combines...

07 and 08 for Scout.com, 09 for Football Outsiders and the Washington Post. The specific footwork was in the drill where they do the dropback-left-center-right forward-etc. It’s a good pocket excercise, and I saw some really wobbly guys out there. When Sanchez’ turn came (and I think it was Knapp running him through it), it looked as if Knapp (or whoever) had Sanchez on a string. But he wasn’t mincing to cheat - he was going full bore.

by Doug Farrar on Mar 18, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Strikethrough?

Well, THAT was weird. Anyway…

The specific footwork was in the drill where they do the dropback-left-center-right forward-etc. It’s a good pocket excercise, and I saw some really wobbly guys out there. When Sanchez’ turn came (and I think it was Knapp running him through it), it looked as if Knapp (or whoever) had Sanchez on a string. But he wasn’t mincing to cheat – he was going full bore.

by Doug Farrar on Mar 18, 2009 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow this site is loaded with experience...

Thanks for the insights Doug. I own a garment factory in Khon Kaen Thailand so it’s hard getting anything of substance without the normal filters.

Ok so here’s a question: Many have Sanchez going anywhere from #1 to #13. Do you have any personal feeling as to where he may go, and if the Hawks were to trade back to say 9, 10, 11… would there be ANY interest in him at that point? Does he pass the TR experience filter?

by iverson2169 on Mar 18, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mmmm...now I'm thinking about Pad See Ew noodles.

Someone’s going to have to see what Sanchez brings to the table besides the starts. What I wonder is if Cassel succeeding in Kansas City (which I believe he will — Todd Haley’s offense will be a great fit) will tweak the experience factor for other quarterbacks.

by Doug Farrar on Mar 18, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately

We don’t have to much gourmet Thai cuisine here in the middle of nowhere. If you were adventurous though, there is some fantastic Issan (province in central Thailand) food here with a hell of a kick.

by iverson2169 on Mar 18, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know why but I've always liked Sanchez as well.

Which is weird because when I first saw him introduced, I instantly didn’t like him for no real reason. But now, I like his chances in the NFL. Iverson is right, whenever someone tries to knock him it’s always about his games played, and not his physical tools. He seems to have everything but experience, which is fine if he sits for a year. Definitely not worth a top 5 pick, but I think he’d be a great snag for a team in the 10-15 range. Anything later and he’s a steal.

by Fear on Mar 18, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who? Davis or Sanchez?

Also… accused and convicted are two separate animals all together.

by iverson2169 on Mar 18, 2009 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sanchez.

And yes, I know accused and convicted are completely different. But, it is worth noting.

by SoCalHawksFan on Mar 18, 2009 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe I'm horribly over-reactive

to the subject of a rich/high-profile man being accused of rape, but until he’s put away following an impartial trial, I discount the event entirely. I think there is a culture-wide trend towards my mindset on this issue.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Mar 19, 2009 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d assume that “playing taller than that” means he has the ability to scoot around in the pocket, find throwing lanes, and get the ball off. Drew Brees is utterly amazing at that, and he does it under center.

by Doug Farrar on Mar 18, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't see you mention Vallos in the Caldwell section.

I always had the impression that Vallos had some potential to be one of those guys who “slipped through the draft cracks”. Any indication as to how he may or may not factor into the plans? Solid career backup?

by iverson2169 on Mar 18, 2009 8:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

funny... arena league :)

It would seem that strength is the ONE thing you CAN teach, or is it a leverage issue with vallos?

by iverson2169 on Mar 18, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So wait... Mike Wahle is the odd man out here?
Sean Locklear stays left tackle. Ray Willis sticks at right guard. Walter Jones, if he can play, sticks at left tackle and Monroe develops under one of the all time greats while playing left guard.

Wouldn’t conventional wisdom have Lock sliding inside to RG, and have Monroe playing RT, or are you saying that the proximity to Jones would make for a quicker study for Monroe.

by iverson2169 on Mar 18, 2009 9:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm . . . what changed from this comment?

Eugene Monroe: The top tackle not named Smith, the most rounded of the three and tackle most likely to be both a top pass blocker and run blocker.

Verdict: I hate to be monolithic about this, but

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by The Ancient Mariner on Mar 19, 2009 6:40 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

To clarify

that was John Morgan’s comment on Monroe here. (Also, there should be an equals sign between “Knee injuries” and “No”.)

by The Ancient Mariner on Mar 19, 2009 6:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't want Monroe

but I do not run the organization. These mocks represent how I think Seattle might really draft, not how I specifically would draft.

by John Morgan on Mar 19, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't take any of them.

I happen to think offensive tackle is horribly overvalued. Though, if I had to…

That’s really hard to answer. I guess I would take Oher. I think Monroe is the best exiting the draft, but I get really nervous about an offensive lineman who can’t protect his knees.

by John Morgan on Mar 19, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Especially since we're zone-blocking now.

I don’t know how often cut-blocking is implemented but that can’t be good for any lineman’s knees.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 19, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's bad on the dlinemen's knees

When you’re the one cutting, you throw your body down against their knees. I hate it. But it wouldn’t be significantly hard on our tackles’ knees, cutting.

by jacobstevens on Mar 20, 2009 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed on how OT's are overvalued

I could never understand why a DE getting past your LT is somehow more frightening than a DT splitting the “A” gap (look at me with all this terminology). I think there’s some kind of hero-worship mentality here.

I haven’t heard much about tackles later in the draft, and God knows we’re going to take one somewhere.

by djafrot on Mar 19, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree as well

I’m not as down on taking an OT high as you are, if it’s a guy like Joe Thomas (or Big Walt, once upon a time), but I really don’t see anyone in this draft I’d like at #4.

by The Ancient Mariner on Mar 19, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For what it's worth

His knee injury history:

2005: Suffered a patella tendon strain in his left knee while practicing for an all-star game (1/11).

2006: Suffered a left kneecap dislocation during April camp (4/01), undergoing surgery on 4/07. He returned to practice by August camp, but was slow to recover until later in the season.

2007: Injured his knee late in the fourth quarter vs. Georgia Tech (9/24), sitting out the next two games vs. Pittsburgh and Middle Tennessee State. (Other sources indicate it was a knee sprain, but don’t know which one)

Could very well indicate natural susceptibility to knee injuries. Despite surgery to fix the dislocated kneecap, I wouldn’t say this establishes prior structural damage.

by jacobstevens on Mar 20, 2009 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What John's said

is that this is evidence of his inability to protect his knees.

by The Ancient Mariner on Mar 20, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

interesting analasys on Jeremiah Johnson and 40 times

hadn’t really thought of it like that before. These aren’t speed track guys, they don’t spend their whole day figuring out how to get a good first jump. I wonder how crucial that is. The shorter the distance the more crucial. I wonder how their other stats measure up (3 cone drill,20 yard dash, 20 yard shuttle). Also, as you alluded, that first step off the line doesn’t mean much when playing, first you have to grab the hand off and by then you’re already on your way.

by B.B.Finnegan on Mar 19, 2009 7:52 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Chung, Unger, Johnson, Reed...

do we secretly harbor a love for the ducks around here? you’ve basically suggested every one of their draftable players aside from Tupou, whom I think has even gotten some play by other posters. No problem by me, I’d love to see them all on the team. just make Jaison Williams’ phone number is in Tim Ruskell’s phone as DO NOT ANSWER.

by niko on Mar 19, 2009 9:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I wonder if Jaison Williams can long-snap....

And as a former Duck, you better believe I’m pulling for a few of those guys. If we drafted Chung I’d start making phone calls to order that jersey.

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Mar 19, 2009 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I <3 the Ducks.

Actually, I love just about every team in the Pac-10. They’re all so much fun to watch.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 19, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

nate davis, graham harrell

it would make me sivk to dee davis or harrell come here they both suck, sanchez and stafford are legit, qb or tackle at 4

by monroeat4 on Mar 19, 2009 4:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Continuing to post comments like that will make me sivk.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 19, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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