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(Thoughts on Seattle's West Coast Defense)

At the end of the first quarter Atlanta was up 21 - 0. The Falcons had scored on each of their first three drives and in dominating fashion, averaging 72 yards per drive and an NFL Blitz like 16.6 yards per play. Detroit's defense looked disabled and overmatched. Like a juco matching against the `92 Cowboys. But Cory Redding had not made a single false read, taken a false step, been overmatched, or even disappeared. In a style soon to win the hearts of Seahawks fans, Redding was everywhere. Getting good push, slicing into the backfield, chasing plays into the flats, and recording a quarterback hit on Matt Ryan's first professional pass. That pass went for 62 yards and a touchdown.

For better or worse, football is a team sport.

Chuck Darby started at nose tackle. I wrote about Julian Peterson playing strongside and LeRoy Hill playing weakside, and found myself stuck in the morass of NFL jargon. Seattle doesn't list a strongside and weakside linebacker, only outside linebackers. Likewise, Atlanta lists two defensive tackles without other distinction. Detroit lists a nose tackle and an under tackle. It has a strongside and weakside linebacker. Rod Marinelli is a former defensive line coach, so that probably accounts for the specificity. The important point about Hill replacing Peterson was not the particular terminology, but the job function. Hill has the goods to blitz and man cover (sort of), and he's actually a net upgrade over Peterson in run support. He's a better tackler than Peterson, more secure, better in space, and more punishing. Hill is also a better assist run stuffer. He's stouter against tight end blocks, better able to ram the fullback back into the hole, more disciplined about his assignments and containment; and likely, because of all this, to positively impact Lofa Tatupu, Seattle's defensive line and whoever it is that plays strong safety. Patrick Chung, Michael Hamlin, Deon Grant etc. need someone to channel the rusher and set up the big pop.

Chuck Darby started at nose tackle. That should have given Detroit fans fits before their team's first snap. I can't stand the constant recycling of talent done league-over. Darby has made the rounds, never fully losing that whiff of winner he was anointed in Tampa Bay and Seattle. I never watched Darby much when he was in his prime, but over the past three years I've seen few players so singularly bad at their jobs. Tampa 2 derived systems define Darby as the hybrid, disruptive nose tackle. The Tank Johnson or Booger McFarland-type that (sort of) shields the linebackers and (sort of) gets after the ball carrier. In that capacity he is neither real disruptive nor at all capable of holding the point. He's sort of what Seattle signed in Colin Cole, plus four years.

Chuck Darby started at nose tackle and Redding at under tackle. Redding played left. He got good push on the first two plays, cutting into the hole on the second but not effectively closing the hole. Michael Turner ran for three and the first.

Redding switched to right on the next play, matching against our old friend Justin Blalock. By play's end, Matt Vasgersian was beside himself cheering Matt Ryan's first touchdown pass while Ryan himself was supine, beneath a pile of Cory Redding. The particulars are only interesting if you like masterful pass rush that never wastes a motion.

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Redding switching to defensive end troubles me. Redding has decent speed off the snap, but not decent speed for a defensive end. He has a good mix of power, moves and quickness; he has above average agility for a tackle; in limited snaps seems adequate against the double team; is a three, or under, or single-gap tackle and exclusively that, but a good, even very good three or under or single-gap tackle. It's a position Seattle needs. Seattle doesn't need another defensive end, having four that have earned playing time and eleven picks to add another to the rotation.

The switch to a West Coast Defense - and we've had our fun - troubles me more. Something shouldn't be named before it matters. Seattle is making a lot of curious moves, and making them more curious on arrival. The Seahawks sign Colin Cole to starter money after Cole played an underwhelming reserve role throughout his prime years. Instead of making this unproven player prove it in camp, the team tells him he'll start. To accommodate the move, it moves that rarest of breed, the hybrid, disruptive nose tackle that works, to three tech. The team then trades its best linebacker and likely its best defensive talent for a very good three tech. Instead of undoing its prior mistake, creating a tackle pairing capable of havoc, a rotational pairing capable of lesser-havoc, it tells said very good defensive tackle to slim down, you're playing defensive end. A position he hasn't played in years and a position he has almost no record of success at.

What then is this West Coast Defense? My very early read is that Seattle is assembling a stable of versatile linemen. The goal to create a dynamic and adaptive rotation. A set of substitutions as run-oriented as Jackson-Cole-Mebane-Redding and as pass oriented as Tapp-Jackson-Mebane-Kerney. It's ambitious, and clean and simple enough to work. Neither formation is laughably weak against an out of type play. The former can create some minimal pass rush and the latter isn't suicidal against runs. I want to be excited, I do. I have to stop myself from being reactionary and fearful. But, Seattle is going to suffer some growing pains, and when this is done wrong, assuming it's done at all, it's not only going to malfunction, it's going to be a fantastic mess. And don't even get me started about its weakness against the hurry up...

I want to be someone that sees change coming and feels hope. So give it to me Seattle. Make this work. Make a football masterpiece, title first.

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This West Coast Defense thing is starting to creep me out too.

What first sounded as a fantastic idea considering how our defense forced its way from the slums of bottom-feeder into mediocrity by sheer talent level rather than scheme, is now mildly troubling because of the weird mix of personnel we brought in.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 22, 2009 2:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ditto

It seemed like a throw away comment by Lewis. I got the impression from that interview that they were simply scanning the roster/playbook and deciding on the best scheme that would fit the talent … not that they were purposely trying to create some entirely new style of D on the fly.

by jteckmann on Mar 22, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I felt the same in listening to some of the pressers....

Seemed more like some of the pat press conference answers you usually get.

by iverson2169 on Mar 22, 2009 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would be happy never talking about the West Coast Defense until we see it on the field

Theres so much speculation, coach talk, and players talking about what their assignments will be hours after they find out they’re on the team that I’ve just started to tune it all out.

by Nate Dogg on Mar 22, 2009 3:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Defensive Line Adaptions

I think they will use Redding to spell Kearney on obvious running situations and in place of Cole in obvious passing situations. If the other team goes to a hurry up it usually indicates a passing situation so Redding in for Cole. You could also go with Meban for Cole and Redding at the 3tech on any down. The point is with the two additions they now, theoreticaly, have mutilple ways to attack an offense. Major benefit = keeping Kearney’s ferocious pass rush fresh from game to game and late in the season. Second benefit, keeping the linebackers free to plug holes. Can’t wait to see if all of these moves are actually going to work.

by walruz on Mar 22, 2009 4:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Even the best laid plans...

…can be subject to change. I would rather ignore the coach-speak and team statements about who’s doing what; who will start; and all of that. We all know that the stages of off-season before the games begin (for real) will shape what will really be our roster positions. I understand the trepidation, fear, and confusion about some of the things mentioned in the open. I don’t think anything is set in stone.

With good coaches, the best players (or players playing the best) play. I’m not sold on our coaching staff, but how can I be? It’s all new. I am excited and think we have put together a coaching staff that will maximize our players’ talents. We have those good coaches, or so I hope. Our starters and the rotation will take form as we edge closer to the season-opener. I think and hope our coaches will use Redding and the others properly to get the desired results. I’m excited about our talent on the defensive line. I’m thrilled about Redding from what I’ve seen of him (and read from the analysis on this site and others). I can’t help but feel we’re underestimating him. At least, we’re being careful not to set expectations too high for our new DT (/DE). I believe he will be a beast and hope he plays next to Mebane quite a bit. I think he will.

by Misfit74 on Mar 22, 2009 5:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

John...do you think this may be an indication of what was really going on with Ju-P?

I know the FO has been that they were eyeing Cory for quite some time. Do you buy this or does it seems like spin? Seems a little hard to believe that an undersized DT/oversized DE was a “target”.

The first thing that jumps out to me is that maybe this is an indication of what was happening on the Ju-P front. Is it possible that we were more desperate than we let on to get that contract off the books (and Cory Redding was the best offer we could find)? Much of the editorial I see is about the Julian Peterson-Cory Redding on-field “tale of the tape” with regards to why the Hawks may have made the trade.

I can’t help but think it was far more about the economics of it.

by iverson2169 on Mar 22, 2009 8:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ju-P, eh.

You bring up a good question because while I’m sort of seeing the logic behind Cory Redding and see him potentially helping out our D, I doubt that only him and a 5th were the only offers on the table. Especially since we signed Colin Cole, I doubt they were scouting him for a really long time.

Although you never know, Redding just may become Kevin Williams Lite or something.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 22, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Detroit becomes a more obvious fit in the event

that we are actually targeting Curry. Eliminate a (the?) prime competitor for his services, and land a useful piece or two in the process? Sort of negates the awesomeness of having a top 5 pick, but it at least flows logically.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Mar 22, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It wasn't a one for one trade

and the cap space freed reflects that, but Seattle was in a good position to shed a linebacker and was weaker at defensive tackle than they let on. So the trade works for both.

by John Morgan on Mar 23, 2009 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Buy Low - Sell High

Is a concept that makes alot of sense here. Julian’s value will only drop from this point on (an exponentially so with each passing year). Had this deal not gone down this year, I could see Julian being a cap casualty next year with his escalating contract.

A deal probably doesn’t get done next year because of his age/contract relationship, and if so it would certainly be much less than a Redding plus a 5th.

PS: I’d take K.W. lite.

by iverson2169 on Mar 22, 2009 8:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good trade

 for both teams,
  Good read, John and I think you may something here, or at least part of something.

  I can still feel that we will be drafting another DT/DE or DE/OLB and I really like the moves TR has made in FA so far. Now for the draft

by BUSTINHEADS on Mar 22, 2009 9:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Are we sure Redding will be used primarily as a DE?

I could have sworn I saw the exact same “experimenting moving me from DT to DE” quote in a Detroit article not too long ago, except Redding was describing how the Lions used him (I wish I could cite). It seemed odd to me that the same quote would show up in two places – it gave the impression of a misquote on someone’s part.

by Groundhog on Mar 23, 2009 4:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

And then I saw this:

Mayhew also said the Lions had planned on playing Redding at left end on first and second down and moving him to tackle on passing downs. "We needed a tackle before and we still need a tackle,’’ he said.

And this:

Redding doesn’t open as big a hole at defensive tackle as first thought. The hole already was there. The Lions planned to use Redding as an end on running downs and a tackle on passing downs.
"We needed a tackle before this, and we still need a tackle," Mayhew said.

Odd, eh?

by Groundhog on Mar 25, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not much else to do in the off season but talk.

Another reason I have no interested in the West Coast Defense until the season starts. Good find on those articles.

by Nate Dogg on Mar 25, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wonderlic Question # 51

A West Coast defense:
1. Encourages long dink and dunk 80 yard scoring drives by the offense in order to tire out the offensive linemen.
2. Has the defensive line play bump and run.
3. Uses linebackers to tie up offensive linemen.
4. Can’t play on the east coast.
5. All of the above.

by Ralph SpoilSport on Mar 24, 2009 4:12 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

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