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Great post on the validity of blogs as viable media...

This is from Mile High Report, the Denver Fan Nation site.

http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/3/23/807424/blogs-the-mainstream-and-a

I thought given the quality of information in the SB Nation in general, I wanted to give a props out to those writers, and y'all here.  Since I found this site I finally found a home for my excessively maniacal following of the Hawks.  It is nice to see that the tides are turning and traditional media needs to either lead or get out of the way, because we aren't going to mindlessly follow them anymore.  Those days are gone, and the sooner they realize it, the better off we're all going to be. 

We'll get their best stuff, their "A" games, because they will have to bring it or lose us to other sources.  And as for them, they'll get their readership back.  Win-win.

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Cool story.

But I’ll forever miss Farnsworth and the PI :(

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 23, 2009 1:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree wholeheartedly...

but then, Claire was (is) still at the top of his game, and loved bringing us the news— and asking the tough questions. He was great on the Hawks Round Table on KJR, hope that continues for as long as possible.

But for every Claire or Geoff Baker or Larry Stone who bring top effort and ingenuity to the way they look at the game and team they cover, there is a Woody Paige or Jay Mariotti who stopped being journalists years ago and are more worried about tv time than media integrity, or a Jim Stone who never strays from the party line…

Alas, it is always darkest before the dawn, and there is now a new dawning for Washington sports. Believe it!!!

by whiskey chainsaw on Mar 23, 2009 2:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Jim Street?

I liked it better when Corey Brock was the M’s MLB.com guy.

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by BrettJMiller on Mar 23, 2009 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry... Jim Street...

I was combining he and Stone somehow, though that is an incredible disservice to Larry…

Alas, it is always darkest before the dawn, and there is now a new dawning for Washington sports. Believe it!!!

by whiskey chainsaw on Mar 23, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One of the things I really like seeing on FG

is the importance placed on spelling, grammar as well as the overall quality of writing. We’ve got a great set of contributors who are not only obviously terrifically knowledgeable, but are also very good at articulating their views. They’re also not afraid of asking those commenting to at least use a spell check and try and write in sentences!

Like Whiskey, I now consider this my Hawks home. I think the pride everyone takes in maintaining the standard of posts and comments here is a big reason why.

by JamesMurphy on Mar 23, 2009 2:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I wanted to be a sports writer and was told there's no jobs

I’m not sure I would have excelled at the dry fact taking the medium’s become. I certainly couldn’t use vulgar conjunctions like “medium’s” or idiomatic hogwash like “there’s no jobs”.

I’m not sure I get the war between bloggers and journalist. Truth is, I think we’re all going to have to revise our expectations on making writing a job, and I don’t think anything is to blame but progress. I do this because I love sports and blogging keeps me writing and one summer a couple years back, when I took a break, I learned I need the writing, the work to feel sane. I think maybe all the hostility is a creeping feeling that this work, these thousands of unpaid hours will never amount to that dream job. (And what a dream job really. To think I would do this to work rather than work to do this.) I get that, but it’s like something I said to someone close to me who a few years back was debating whether to pursue acting or law: If you love acting and need nothing more than to act to be happy, do it because you’re inexhaustible and sure to succeed. But if you want to be a famous actor, and act to be a famous actor, you’re almost certain to fail because you’ll become discouraged and tire. He pursued law.

Anyway, I’m rambling on and should get back to what I was writing.

by John Morgan on Mar 23, 2009 3:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You sound a good deal like one of my all time favorite human beings... E.N.
I’m not sure I would have excelled at the dry fact taking the medium’s become. I certainly couldn’t use vulgar conjunctions like "medium’s" or idiomatic hogwash like "there’s no jobs".

Of course not. You have never come across as a journalist. You were born to be an editorialist/columnist.

If you love acting and need nothing more than to act to be happy, do it because you’re inexhaustible and sure to succeed. But if you want to be a famous actor, and act to be a famous actor, you’re almost certain to fail because you’ll become discouraged and tire.

You have nailed both the key to success and the key to happiness. We, as humans, become what we think about. This very very quietly is the SINGLE most important post you have ever written because if one truly understands and believes this…. NOTHING is impossible.

By the way John… you sound so much like him, I am wondering if you can guess who E.N. is.

by iverson2169 on Mar 23, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ed Norton?

Only actor whose initials start with E.N., so worth a guess, since he is a worthy actor…

Alas, it is always darkest before the dawn, and there is now a new dawning for Washington sports. Believe it!!!

by whiskey chainsaw on Mar 23, 2009 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not Norton and not an actor.... more of a philosopher than anything.

Lets see if John knows…. (not a test by the way)….. just have a sneaky suspicion that john has read or heard his work before.

by iverson2169 on Mar 23, 2009 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope

Those initials don’t ring a bell. The above thoughts are those of an early 20 year old after a few brews.

by John Morgan on Mar 24, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah...ok.

Earl Nightingale. One of the great thinkers I’ve ever had a chance to listen to. If anyone cares… it’s worth an afternoon.

by iverson2169 on Mar 24, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not shedding any tears over the decline of newspapers

People losing jobs is never something to celebrate but progress certainly is. We’ve gone from fluff pieces written on deadline to fit a word count to writers like John, Doug, Dave, Matthew, Henry Abbot, the KSK guys, Orson Swindle, the list goes on. People with actual talent taking the time to write and work on specific things they love. DMZ doesn’t have to pretend to know as much about college football as Matt Hinton does, he doesn’t even have to pretend to care. Meanwhile Jim Moore is picking a sport at random to write this weeks column about.

Instead of the blowhard story about why Vernon Davis’s behavior is unacceptable and demonstrates the moral decline of America we get a well reasoned piece from someone who watched the game. The pseudo-psychology mentioned stems from one source, newspaper writers who cover for not actually knowing the details of a game or a team (and how could they, they’re tasked with being responsible for everything sports) by ranting and raving about the “right” way to play and the intangibles of leadership. While they get on their social commentary soap box sites like FO are developing analytic statistics to understand the actual contributions of a player, shockingly leaving charisma out of the equation.

Newspapers haven’t been a supply of quality analysis for as long as I’ve been reading them. Their only redeeming quality is access and more often than not it becomes a part of the problem. Writers indebted to the player with the quote warp their stories to stay in the good graces of the team. When people can get better written, higher quality material written in live time and for free their expectations change. The newspapers answer to this wasn’t to improve their product but to also put it online and for free. When you have a low quality product in a highly competitive field and your answer is to employ a broken business model your time in the world has come to an end.

by Nate Dogg on Mar 23, 2009 3:57 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

That better not be a dig on Jim Moore.

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"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Mar 23, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blog = Progress

The only thing is, someone has to do the reporting, rather than linking and analyzing. Bloggers are easily capable of doing it, they just need the press pass and the time afforded to do the legwork (funding).

Doesn’t mean the old papers are better, because of the press pass. Just that with the whole paradigm shift that’s occurring, someone’s going to have to get into the lockerroom and attend the press conferences, for any class of sports media coverage to have anything to talk about. And I firmly believe that will happen as papers stop printing, fold, or go strictly online.

by jacobstevens on Mar 25, 2009 1:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

Bloggers don’t get any funding (not at first at least), and usually have jobs other than their blogging. This creates a natural rift, since it seems it would be pretty hard of bloggers not to be jealous of their peers receiving compensation. Also, it’s only in the journalists’ best interest to dismiss most blogs as amateurish because they are in a sense competition. That being said, the best journalists learn to embrace their blog counterparts.
Another thing, bloggers have to be on top of their game all the time. If someone in the Seattle Times writes crappy articles on a weekly basis, for some reason or another, they don’t seem to get fired unless the entire paper is going under. People will continue complaining about them, but they only have 3 or so guys to go to for their local sports news. Whereas if John Morgan starts writing stupid articles, I’m sure the number of loyal fans and readers of FG will go down. Luckily for us, John Morgan seems to always be on top of his game.

by LantermanC on Mar 25, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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