Seahawks Mock Draft 4
It's about time we drop another mock draft. This variation riffs on Seattle trading down. There's lots of way Seattle could do this, but the obvious one is switching with Philadelphia so that the Eagles can draft a franchise offensive tackle. The more important aspect of a trade-down scenario is that it excludes some prominent talent and opens the door for others we've yet to talk about. Seattle is trading a 4th overall pick. It's ludicrous, but even Philadelphia's two first round picks are not enough to satisfy that pick's 1800 points. Seattle could just mix it up and say eff it and accept less, but since this chart somehow sustains currency, let's try and make something that sort of satisfies the points equilibrium, and, you know, reality. Let's say Seattle gets both picks, but so that Philly isn't outright bankrupt of draft picks, Seattle trades its sixth and seventh round picks, and Philly throws in a third round pick. So, Seattle moves 1800 + 26.8 + 13.6 = 1840.4 for the Eagles' 800 + 660 + 165 = 1625. Still not equal, but it's functional.
21. Knowshon Moreno RB: A lot of players could fall here that Seattle would target, from Malcolm Jenkins to Mark Sanchez, but Moreno makes the most sense to me. Moreno really does lack top speed, but Seattle is emphasizing wide receivers that can block downfield, and hopefully that will negate some of the difference. Julius Jones isn't bad, but a run first team always covets rushing talent that can "take over a game". Moreno is often compared to Barry Sanders, but Sanders was a pure moves guys. A better comp is Walter Payton. Moreno plays with a grace, power and passion not seen since Sweetness. Payton was a remarkable receiver, but not overly fast. That's Moreno. Payton was near-unbreakable, and Moreno will have to be kind or face a short NFL career.
28. Darius Butler CB: Butler didn't intercept a pass his senior season. It's hurt his stock a bit. That's kind of foolish when you account for his 10 interceptions his previous three seasons. Interceptions are unpredictable and the ability to create them is a skill best observed over multiple seasons. Active career interception leader Darren Sharper recorded zero interceptions his second season in the league. He went on to record 18 over the next three seasons. Apart from the perception Butler failed to produce his senior season, Butler is about everything you could ask for in a prospect: Near-ideal size; great character and leadership; and one of my favorites: the best player on a dominant defense. Butler doesn't necessarily immediately displace Kelly Jennings, but he prevents Seattle from starting a rookie if Jennings fails. For now, Butler is high-upside depth that completes an outright scary dime package.
37. Alex Mack C: Seattle will likely target a center at some point in the draft. The need versus best available talent debate boils down to this: "need" should not impact when you draft a player, but at the end of the draft, you hope to have all of your needs met. So center is not Seattle's greatest need, but if Mack falls to 37, and Mack lacks the kind of eye-popping athleticism you want in a first round center so he very well could, Seattle then takes him as "best available talent". There's a good case he fits the title. He's a skilled and powerful blocker. He's a Draddy Trophy winner at a position that emphasizes football smarts and field awareness. Mack is the best center in a rich draft for the position, and has the kind of feet and quickness to function well within a zone blocking system. The downside, and it's substantial, is that Seattle effectively cuts ties with Chris Spencer and just as he's showing some of his potential. Begging the question: Is Mack better in his youth than Spencer will be in his prime?
68. Sen'Derrick Marks DT: Marks is the most athletic defensive tackle in the draft. At barely 22, he's also a few years away from his potential. Seattle is deep at tackle, including five rotational players and practice squad standout Kevin Brown. Nevertheless Marks is too good to pass up. He has explosion off the snap and the kind of loose hips to track down a scrambling quarterback. He's powerfully built and has good functional power. He's strictly a three tech, but should Red Bryant step up at one, and Seattle shed itself of Colin Cole before 2010, Marks could rotate with Redding and form a yet more intimidating foursome: Redding, Mebane, Bryant and Marks.
85. Dannell Ellerbe LB: Ellerbe dominated his junior season, recording 12 tackles for a loss, 4.5 sacks, 73 total tackles, an interception and a fumble forced. He's an athletic linebacker that's been injured long enough to slip, but on a team like Seattle, with good talent already at the position and a need for upside rather than roster depth, he makes a ton of sense. Good build, great potential, decent production, an SEC background, but concerns about his size, he matches Tim Ruskell's profile, and if he can stay healthy and realize his potential, he matches what Tim Ruskell does right.
104. David Bruton FS: Don't say Ruskell is above a project pick. Seattle's coaching staff doesn't seem to share in our outrage, and our desire that Seattle drafts a safety early and ensures Brian Russell's ouster, so don't be surprised if Seattle selects a later round project and hope he develops under the Gritty One's tutelage. Notre Dame was a disaster. Bruton therefore satisfies the hidden gem/great, but raw talent division of Ruskell's MO. Despite a team that was often overmatched, and no rushing attack to speak of, Notre Dame was good at defending the pass. It ranked 22 in pass efficiency defense and against a tough schedule. Bruton could start at gunner and eventually supplant Russell. Caveat One: I don't think he'll fall this far. Caveat Two: His athleticism has shown best with the pads off.
141. Brandon Williams DE: Williams is not yet 21. In 2008, he recorded 13 sacks on the Red Raiders light/fast front four. He has good height, 6 2 ½", and bulked up to 261 for the combine. He's athletic and productive and played on a defense without much top talent. Rob Rang described him as strictly a pass rusher, but I think that's a bit misguided. Williams will not start his career holding the point or effectively containing outside, but he's young and his profile is not so limited. He could develop a lot of ways. Williams can contribute as a situational pass rusher his rookie season. His pass rush skills are precocious and should he never develop into anything more, a player that can contribute 5 to 10 sacks from the bench, a la KGB, is great value in the fifth.
Supplements:
Matt Slauson OL: Utility offensive lineman with the agility to succeed in a traditional zone-blocking system.
Chris Ogbonnaya RB/FB: Former wide receiver could be this year's Leonard Weaver.
Cameron Goldberg OT: Good athlete and good tackle that lacks the size to play in the NFL. Seattle signed Goldberg's clone, Williams Robinson, as an undrafted free agent last year. Unlike Robinson, Goldberg did it against ACC competition on an emerging program. Seattle drafts Goldberg hoping a couple seasons on the practice squad will aid in his physical development.
Note: Seattle does not select a quarterback. If Seattle does not select a quarterback, watch for them to take a flier on a free agent like Patrick Ramsey.
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We've discussed this trade a lot here at FG.
Do you think it has any steam or any realistic shot? Or perhaps just wishful thinking for those of us that are bored with a top 5 pick and want to look at mid to late first round talent?
Also, I love every pick here. I’m pretty high on Bruton. Off the charts athleticism, good character, solid but not spectacular production. I’m a big fan of Sen’Derrick as well, and considering the lack of depth at DT, it would be a blessing to snap him up in the 3rd.
by LantermanC on Mar 31, 2009 4:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Truthfully
I have no idea. Philly could do it. Tackles are at premium, and the Eagles must know that they could be locked out of almost every offensive tackle by the 21st pick. Six went before 21 in 2007.
by John Morgan on Mar 31, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if Philly is game to trade up
why would they stop at four? Each of the teams above us should strongly consider the deal as well.
by shams on Mar 31, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to the chart the Philly offer John proposed would be slanted heavily in their direction
going higher up would be an even worse deal for KC/StL/Det. It seems stupid, probably because it is, but GM’s really do value that chart.
by Nate Dogg on Mar 31, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whether it has value at the very top is another question
To my way of thinking, if there were agreed upon trade values for the first few draft spots, we would see some trades in the top 5. We don’t. Maybe if sensible rookie wage scales are introduced we’ll get to.
by shams on Mar 31, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we don't see trades in the top 5 because of this very reason
A team would have to give multiple top 20 first round picks,to be able to move into the top 5 using that chart.
by Nate Dogg on Mar 31, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here is the trade chart
if anyone is interested. Theres a newer, revised version but I don’t know if it’s used by NFL front offices. It doesn’t value the top picks as much but the Seattle/Philly tade would still favor Philly.
by Nate Dogg on Mar 31, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It makes the most sense at 4...
1,2,and 3 are way too expensive from the trade value chart standpoint, and 5 doesn’t guarantee anything as Smith and Monroe are almost sure to be off the board by pick 4.
by iverson2169 on Mar 31, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love...
The Moreno, Mack, and Bruton in those spots.
John, do you think that if Sanchez really was there at #21 we would lay off? Seems like a great spot to take your prospect relative to the investment.
by iverson2169 on Mar 31, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lack of depth at DT?
Even if Colin Cole is expectedly terrible we have some pretty decent depth. Not mindblowing like the Giants but certainly not bad.
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 31, 2009 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's just Bryant and Cole behind Meband and Redding
Bryant is 100% potential, if he turns out to not be ready those two could outshine Russell.
by Nate Dogg on Mar 31, 2009 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice.
Glad to see Marks in there. Moreno, Mack, and Butler would be a nice draft.
by Misfit74 on Mar 31, 2009 4:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll admit, I don't want Moreno
I can see the argument, but I think we’re solid enough at RB that this just isn’t the year to draft one high; if we do make that sort of deal with Philadelphia (and man, I’d love to see it), I hope we take Duke Robinson with one of those picks.
by The Ancient Mariner on Mar 31, 2009 4:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree,
I think Moreno could be special, but 4.64 is awfully slow, and I’m never a big fan of drafting a RB in the first round anyways. I’d much rather get a Duke/Eben Britton type.
by LantermanC on Mar 31, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
I think 40 times aside, Moreno’s game tape shows he’s a special player and could be our feature back of the future. And I’m not sure what the fascination with Duke Robinson is. He’s big, but lumbering and definitely does not fit a zone blocking scheme, or show any capability to reach out and touch linebackers. I love this scenario. Getting the best running back in this draft (Moreno) the best Center in this draft (Mack) and one of the best corners (Butler) would be awesome. The first two go a long way toward the stated goal of reinvigorating the running game. I would not be surprised to see Chung drop to us at 68 as well, the best strong safety in this draft. That would mean the FO would need to be thinking like most of us, that Grant could move to free safety. I would also be targeting a guard in the 4th like Urbik or Canfield to further bolster the run game, a wide receiver like Gibson in the 5th, free safety like Clemons in the 6th, and round out the 7th with Donald Washington (CB), Victor Butler (OLB), Robert Brewster (OT) and Graham Harrell (QB).
by diehard82 on Mar 31, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be sweet.
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 31, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't need a fast RB if he's elusive.
Shaun Alexander proved that. Knowshon Moreno makes guys look silly trying to tackle him often times. It doesn’t matter how fast you are if they can’t tackle you.
Speed to me, is a very overrated tool for a RB. I will always take vision, instinct, and agility over a speed RB anyday.
Weez the juice!!
by Carl Shinyama on Mar 31, 2009 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shaun Alexander was kind of fast early in his career, though.
I think his 40 time was fairly standard too.
Though, you are right about Moreno. If we somehow get a late first round pick or he somehow falls to the early second I’d love him.
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 31, 2009 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Define "fast"?
Shaun ran a 4.58 at his combine.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=60580&draftyear=2000&genpos=RB
Weez the juice!!
by Carl Shinyama on Mar 31, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I believe he ran faster on his pro day.
50% of guys are faster on pro days. I believe Beanie dropped .20 off his time.
by LantermanC on Mar 31, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He might have.
But I don’t think he was terribly fast. He was oftentimes caught up to by the secondary when he got into the second level of the defense even in his earlier years.
What separated him from other running backs with similar speed was that he was very adept at avoiding tackles.
I didn’t mind that at all. I loved the fact that he could do that. You don’t set the NFL record for consecutive games with runs of 10+ yards without being elusive. I think that behind a great O-line, a player like Knowshon could, not just challenge that record, but break it.
Weez the juice!!
by Carl Shinyama on Mar 31, 2009 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just remember his run against Arizona
the first play of the 2nd half. It might have been 2005, possibly 2006, I think it was a run to the right between the guard and the tackle, then he cuts left and outraces 3 guys and gets a TD while looking up at the jumbotron. Madden also had him at a speed of 92 or something, so he had to be fast. Madden is never wrong.
by LantermanC on Mar 31, 2009 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True.
Jerramy Stevens laid a massive block to create a hole so big that when Alexander made his cut, he was long gone because the secondary was already biting big time on the direction that he was already in.
P.S. It was in 2005.
Weez the juice!!
by Carl Shinyama on Mar 31, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, if you're great at everything else you don't have to be fast.
but let’s face it. 4.64 isn’t really not fast, it’s slow for a RB. And while I think Knowshon will be good, there is added risk. In a contradictory position, I am a fan of Tyrell Sutton, who reportedly ran a 4.70 40, but he would probably cost a 5th rounder or later.
Mainly though, I’m just not a fan of 1st round running backs. Especially when I don’t see our RB situation to be that dire.
by LantermanC on Mar 31, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All the way down to Brutton is players I really want
Then I don’t know the others, but I’ll admit I realy want this Chris Ogbonnaya just based off his name.
by SPENCEMAN on Mar 31, 2009 4:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not a Glenn Coffee fan?
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 31, 2009 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
instead of Butler at 28
what about Connor Barwin? Scary versatile and a Ruskell guy. We start him at LB and get to have dangerous two-TE sets.
by shams on Mar 31, 2009 5:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I didn’t know about him, just looked him up.
He is getting the obvious Patriots link right now, but with his supposed sub 4.5 40 time on campus I’m guessing he could go to a lot of teams. I fail to see how he fits our team as a LB if we stay in a mostly 4-3 system, because his experience is as a pass rushing DE. If we run a good amount of 3-4 he could switch between OLB and DE.
Interesting prospect though.
by cashless on Mar 31, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, but Rams will snap him up with the #2 overall pick,
and add to their collection of white defensive linemen with their high first rounders.
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Mar 31, 2009 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather let them keep their 3rd...
and give us their second rounder next year.
by Kryten on Mar 31, 2009 5:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Point taken, he is unproven as a LB
but to say “his experience is as a pass rushing DE” is not totally accurate— he has had one year only at the position. What his experience shows is a remarkable talent for playing football on both sides of the ball.
March and April are mancrush months.
by shams on Mar 31, 2009 5:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess what I truly meant
was that his only defensive experience is at DE. He is raw at that position already, without switching to 4-3 OLB, which is a vastly different type of position. Just because a player switched from TE to DE does not prove he has the ability to switch between positions at will. He was a great athletic talent playing TE, and the coaches noticed he had the right leverage and athleticism to excell as a pass rusher. We have no idea whether he has the discipline to play a short zone, nor whether he has the real technically sound tackling ability and correct angles to flow to the ball from behind linemen rather than as one of them.
by cashless on Mar 31, 2009 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and I just wanna say:
Sen’Derrick Marks is a stud!
Weez the juice!!
by Carl Shinyama on Mar 31, 2009 8:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I just wanna say:
Sen’Derrick is not a real name. Its only surpassed in non-real-name-osity by D’Brickashaw.
by SeaTownBlueDevil on Apr 1, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You must refer to him as D'BRICKASHAW!
Perhaps SEN’DERRICK! can follow in his footsteps.
Although D’BRICKASHAW! is a step up from D’Bustashaw, which he was increasingly looking like the seasons before last.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 1, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love this draft
I also like the Moreno, Butler, Mack with our first three picks.
As for the trade, I think it is a great choice for Philly. Even in the worst case scenario that Smith or Monroe are gone, they would have a hard time passing on Crabtree in my opinion.
For us I love the idea of getting arguably the best back, an elitely talented corner, and a great center, which could help us out all over the line.
Let's go.
by J Hens on Apr 1, 2009 11:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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