Whither Leonard Weaver
Leonard Weaver was not invited to the 2005 NFL Combine. He signed with Seattle as an undrafted free agent. A combination of luck, hard work and fit earned him a spot on Seattle's roster. Four years later, he once again finds himself unwanted by the NFL.
He doesn't fit what new offensive coordinator Greg Knapp wants in a fullback. We can talk about adjusting scheme to talent, but that has limitations. Weaver is a converted tight end and he lead blocks like one. The method of Knapp's offense is to run the ball on 50%+ of all downs, and on nearly two thirds of those runs to run from a two back set. If we use a 1,000 play baseline, and assume that the second back in most two back sets is a fullback, then Seattle's fullback will play in about 300 snaps as a lead blocker. In 2007, Oakland ran the ball in 508 of 1000 total offensive attempts. Fullback Justin Griffith played in all 16 games. That season, Oakland ran from two backs sets on 63% of all runs (PFP 2008). Griffith had just seven rushing attempts. Weaver had 30 in 2008 and 33 in 2007.
Knapp needs a fullback that blocks first, runs and receives a distant second. That's not Leonard Weaver. Then, why not make Weaver something other than a fullback?
Seattle has its fullback in Owen Schmitt. Schmitt played in a spread option in college, so his traditional fullback skills are a little underdeveloped. The kid knows how to move and block and deliver a blow on the move. At some point, Seattle needs to throw him into the fire and see if he survives. Seattle needs a fallback fullback should Schmitt not take to the finer elements of the position - specifically pass blocking. There may not be a better pass blocking back than Weaver.
Weaver is also a valuable rusher and an exceptional receiver. He has contributed more receiving DYAR the past two seasons than Nate Burleson, DJ Hackett or Deion Branch. It might seem unfair to compare the sick to the well until you realize that Burleson, Hackett and Branch are wide receivers. Weaver has soft hands, good body control, a rare ability to cut up field after the catch and a fullback's mentality to yards after contact. He brings that mentality to his bruising inside running style. He has averaged 4.5 yards per rush, and despite being the saddle on Mike Holmgren's hobbyhorse fullback draw, has contributed 39 DYAR rushing the past two seasons.
Seattle will have plenty of touches to go around. Knapp will want to run five to six hundred times in 2009. That could split 250 for Julius Jones, 150 for TJ Duckett and still leave 100 to split between Weaver and Schmitt. Say, 85-15. That's a conservative estimate. It still nearly triples Duckett's touches, and would be the second most of his career. Jones' career high is 267 in 2006; he had 257 in 2005. Seattle goes on a roll, racks up a winning record, smothering opponents with the third quarter long drive, and their rush attempts could jump to 550 or even 600. That could be split however, probably towards more touches for Jones, the nominal starting running back, but however, it's an equitable split that keeps everyone involved and everyone fresh. Schmitt becomes the fullback. Weaver just another running back.
The problem is Seattle and the league sees Weaver as a fullback and barely that. Fullbacks do not rush 100 times a year. They block. They get their cleats muddy and their facemasks bent. They struggle for short yardage and push the pile. Fullbacks embody three yards and a cloud of dust. Yeah, except...
Looks a little like...
Minus the grit and savvy.
Tim Ruskell should know talent comes in many bodies. In comes in too short defensive tackles that manhandle prototypical guards. It comes in too slow tight ends that run routes sculpted by Donatello. And it comes in miscast fullbacks that do everything well but lead block. Letting Leonard Weaver walk is losing talent for the sake of rigidness. It's losing talent for the sake of narrow roles, football dogma and a damning reverence for the title "fullback".
Re-Sign Leonard Weaver.
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I'm mystified that a team hasn't sprung and jumped on Weaver in the first week of free agency.
He’s so awesome that I’m not 100% he’s even human. And why isn’t he a runningback? Like you point out, Weaver is arguably one of the best pass-blocking backs in the league. He rushes very well, and you also point out he’s an unusually strong receiver. These traits would make him one of the best RBs in the league, would it not?
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by Fearless Frog on Mar 9, 2009 11:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"For the sake of rigidness"
Extremely well said. I remember Hugh Millen said Weaver didn’t get up close enough to the line in blitz pickup, letting the guy get out of the gap so he has to block him in open space instead of in a phone boot. I saw that again when I was watching the New England game again while folding laundry on Saturday.
He’s still a pretty good pass blocker, though. Even letting guys get too close, he seems to win the battle more. But someone needs to coach him up to more consistently sealing the first guy through, right at the line, and give Matt room to step into his throws.
A friend told me Saints coverage reported that Weaver cancelled his visit to New Orleans, before they brought in and signed Heath Evans. After signing Willis, I am left with more confidence we’ll bring him back.
by jacobstevens on Mar 9, 2009 11:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I view criticism like that
somewhat like the unorthodox free throw shooter that shoots 85%, or last year’s criticism of DeSean Jackson’s route running: There’s a technical way to do something, it may be the right way to do it, and it might work for most, but once you have a decent sized sample, and you can clearly see this nonstandard way works, that the player is successful, methods be damned, you have to shelve the criticism and look at the big picture. I’ve read the criticism of Weaver not actively engaging blitzers, it’s dogged for a couple seasons, but, brass tacks, Weaver prevents pass rushers from sacking Hasselbeck and unless Hasselbeck is throwing sideways, I’ve never seen Weaver’s position truncate Hasselbeck’s throwing room.
by John Morgan on Mar 9, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't mean to suggest it's a significant impediment
In fact I’d forgotten to mention that since Millen had mentioned that — the only reason I’d noticed it in the first place — I ‘d thought it had improved, over the course of last year. Saw it in the Pats game, but their line is good. An isolated relapse, perhaps. I still think he’s improved.
But I agree, generally, that he’s blocked well in spite of it, and doesn’t necessarily need to do things by the book. Not always a “right” way to do things, but obviously blocking deeper inside the pocket is simply going to give the pass rusher roughly three directions to possibly get past you, and it’s going to give less room in the pocket. I must say, I’ve definitely seen Hasselbeck move laterally or get flushed while Weaver was blocking somewhat close in front of him. Whether it was directly the reason he needed to move, whether he truly was ready to throw if Weaver wasn’t in the way? No idea, how can I be sure. Significant impediment? No, I don’t think so. Ultimately the results speak for themselves. I want him back no matter what, but there’s always room for improvement.
by jacobstevens on Mar 9, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And hell...
how much would it really cost at this point? My intuition is that Ruskell’s position all along has been to let the market set Weaver’s value at FB, possibly with a wink-and-nod that maybe Seattle would counter if the price wasn’t outrageous. If some team throws decent money and/or a starting job at Weaver, no worries. If not, you are looking at a high quality third back, one who could actually play as a single back on the rare occasion you need to go to a 4 WR set — and all for decent scratch.
If the rumor is true that Weaver canceled his visit to NO it would turn that intuition into a strong suspicion. Hopefully I’m right and Ruskell hasn’t just moved on.
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by dcrockett17 on Mar 9, 2009 12:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm still surprised at how Holmgren never found a way to really utilize him
considering how successful Rathman was while he was with the 49ers WCO. Knapp gets a pass since he was just a pup back then, but still, I’ve have more confidence in Knapp finding a way then Holmgren for the simple fact that Knapp never had a fullback that could do anything but block.
Weaver i hear is looking for 2 mil a year. Nobody’s going to give him that. I have a feeling he resigns for a 1-2 year reasonable contract.
by B.B.Finnegan on Mar 9, 2009 1:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm surprised it's taking this long
Ruskell let both him and Willis dangle for a while.
by Nate Dogg on Mar 9, 2009 1:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He's an unrepentant cheapskate
It seems to work. Seattle is always in strong cap shape.
by John Morgan on Mar 9, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wish he penny-pinched a bit more
when it came to signing Cole…
by LantermanC on Mar 9, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Font size isn't big enough on Re-sign Leonard Weaver
Pl0x to be changing.
by SPENCEMAN on Mar 9, 2009 1:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm a Weaver fan (well, of course)
But seeing your breakdown about the carries underscores two things:
1. Forsett will likely not be a factor in the backfield and
2. Seattle will look to add a running back through the draft.
Though I have some optimism for the JJ/Duckett rushing attack, those players might be average pieces of an otherwise explosive run-game. I’d really like to see us add a Donald Brown, McCoy, or other runner as early as round 2.
The Weaver/Alstott comparison was way cool. I"m all for sending the Church Van on regular missions into enemy lines. I still tend to think that I overvalue Weaver and undervalue Duckett, but Weaver’s ability in pass-pro and receiving could be an integral to our passing game. I don’t know who’ll consistently catch the ball in the scenario described. JJ is a good receiver, IMO but Duckett, I don’t know.
by Misfit74 on Mar 9, 2009 1:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
How does Weaver compare to Earnest Graham?
If I remember correctly, Graham was just a fullback in Tampa until their entire running back corps got hurt, at which point Graham got the starting running back carries and put up big numbers in 2007. Last year his numbers were down, I think due to more options at running back emerging and nagging injuries of his own, but I would think that NFL teams would have noticed that fullbacks with running ability could be valuable commodities and legit rushers in situations other than the obvious 3rd-and-1.
by sev79 on Mar 9, 2009 5:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Graham has always been a RB
Last year he stepped in at FB because they ran out of FB. Smells like team spirit…
by Built2Spill on Mar 9, 2009 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, so I got that backwards.
What else is new.
by sev79 on Mar 9, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't agree.
Weaver simply doesn’t fit the scheme. All the other backs fit the scheme Knapp wants: power running with a traditional fullback and halfback who is either a bruiser or a speedster.
Weaver is none of these. He’s not a traditional fullback because his run-blocking isn’t particularly good. He’s not a speedster, obviously, and he’s not really a bruiser because he doesn’t hit holes with authority, he picks and chooses too much and gets caught in the backfield.
I don’t think the Alstott appromixation really works. When Alstott carried the ball it was usually has a halfback behind, uh, I can’t remember their “real” fullback’s name. We have Duckett for that, and Duckett is better at it.
I do like Weaver as a 3rd down back, he’s solid at pass-protection and can either run the draw or get out of the backfield for the reception. But as a traditional fullback he only weakens the running game wherein a dedicated blocker like Schmitt (hopefully) or someone like Lorenzo Neal is much better for the spot.
by djafrot on Mar 9, 2009 6:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The niners would probably tell you Weaver is fast enough
Letting Leonard Weaver walk is losing talent for the sake of rigidness. It’s losing talent for the sake of narrow roles, football dogma and a damning reverence for the title “fullback”.
Give Weaver a halfway innovative coach and he could be very special.
by Nate Dogg on Mar 9, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a bunch of factors here, though.
Money – how much is Weaver asking for?
Roster Spot – We already have JJ, Forsett, Duckett, and Schmitt. I doubt we keep Weaver ahead of Forsett considering the latter’s contributions on special teams. And I really doubt we go into the season with Schimtt as our sole “run blocking” fullback. So where does Weaver fit? This doesn’t even count the possibility of the Hawks drafting someone.
Scheme – we can talk about being rigid, or not being innovative, but if you have other guys on the team that can do a certain job while fitting within the roster, why spend a bunch of time dicking around with the playbook? Wouldn’t the coaching staff be better off working with what we’ve got?
I dunno. I’ve had fun watching Weaver run and stiff arm and receive, but I don’t really see the ridiculous appeal he has for a lot of fans. I guess a lot of it is his undrafted heritage, too.
by djafrot on Mar 9, 2009 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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