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Is Jamar Adams penciled in as a starter?

Over on Rob Staton's Seahawks Draft Blog he has a link to a video from NFL Network called Draft room all-access which features the Seattle Seahawks.

While it's interesting to see the FO talk about the upcoming draft, I was even more interested in exactly what that was on the whiteboard around the 1:10 mark when the camera zoomed in on it and panned accross. It looked like a depth chart for every position, since it had the guys we know as starters listed first and seemed to flow the way you would expect, such as Hasselbeck, Wallace, Rowe at QB. And from what I could make out, it was consistent accross the board, until you reach the FS position on the far right. It has the FS depth listed as;

Adams

Grant

Wallace

Russell

Babineaux

Some names are in red and have purple dots next to them, and some just have the purple dots. I'm guessing that the Red means they're second year players since Forsett, Carlson (I think), Adams and Floyd are the only ones in red I recognized and they're all second year players. No theory on the purple dots.

I didn't see a list for SS, but if the Seahawks are going to a cover 2 next year, is there even a distinction between FS and SS in that system? If the Seahawks do see Adams as a legitimate potential starter over Russell, do they still need to address the position in the top half of the draft? I'm probably putting way to much thought into this, and it probably means nothing, but I thought I'd point it out and see if anyone else had any thoughts on it.

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That'd be tight.

Adams is a big hitter no doubt, a way better tackler than Russell.

by SoCalHawksFan on Apr 11, 2009 12:32 PM PDT reply actions  

But how are his coverage skills?

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 11, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not good.

Which is why I question why they would even have him under the free safety position on the board. He’s definately a strong safety. I actually thought he might be in contention for the weak side linebacker opening due to his skills in the box. Coverage is definately not his strong point.

by SoCalHawksFan on Apr 11, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wondered that too

But Bradley has said that the Seahawks will use more cover 2 next year. If you google cover 2 and look at how it’s set up, it looks like the safteys line up accross from each other and each covers 1 half of the field, instead of one deep and one shallow. Which is why I wonder if they just don’t have SS listed on the board, there are no safteys left on the roster to even have another list for SS.

by Mind of no mind on Apr 11, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well now you got my hopes up.

I really hope you’re right. I just wish I could make out more positions on that chart, it blurs pretty heavily when it pans over from QB/RB to FS/CB.

Is there a purple dot by Carlson’s name? Because I was thinking it could be for players that hadn’t started for us before, but then I realized Carlson might have a dot by his name so..I’m not sure.

by Fear on Apr 11, 2009 1:08 PM PDT reply actions  

I think Carlson does

If you pause it, you can see the TE list, and although I can’t make out the names, the top name is in red and has a dot next to it (it looks like two dots because of the blur). Actually, 3 out of the 4 names under TE have a purple dot. I wonder if it has anything to do with the practice squad, maybe practice squad eligiblity? I noticed Jeff Rowe’s name is in black, but also has a dot, I think he was on the bangels practice squad last year. But I dont know if theory holds up at all.

by Mind of no mind on Apr 11, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, while we're on this subject.

Eric Williams at the TNT pointed out that Jordan Babineaux is listed a strong safety and Ray Willis a guard on the depth chart now.

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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 11, 2009 1:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Great catch on the video, by the way.

Less observant people such as yours truly would have never noticed.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 11, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks guys :)

The only reason I thought to watch for it was because there was a big story last year when the Cowboys let reporters in their draft room and a picture got published where you could see a whiteboard in the background showing how they had the college CBs ranked. I was hoping to catch something about the draft, but thought this might be just as good.

by Mind of no mind on Apr 11, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good catch.

It’s tough to say for sure, but it does seem to conform to the rest of the board. I stopped it and looked at the positions that scroll by very quickly, and it does seem to be a depth chart. Walter Jones, by the way, is listed atop the “tackles”.

Also, notice all the talk about a corners taller than 6’? That’s got to be smoke.

by John Morgan on Apr 11, 2009 4:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Purple Dots

Somebody mentioned in the blog comments that it means need for upgrade. Unfortunately my pausing skills are not good enough to get evidence of this being true or false.

by Built2Spill on Apr 11, 2009 6:58 PM PDT reply actions  

I noticed this last night and came here to start a fanpost

Let me add something else, I looked over the chart as the camera scrolled over it, and its extremely hard to read but I was actually able to piece together a lot of the names simply by the length and identifying a few letters here and there. It really helped that 2008 rookies were listed in red and FA to be were teal (I think). Here’s what I compiled:

QB: Hasselbeck, Wallace, etc
RB: Jones, Duckett, Forsett
WR: Housh, Branch, Burleson, Obo
TE: Carlson, etc.
OT: Jones, Locklear, (probably Willis), etc
G: Wahle, Sims, Wrotto
C: Spencer, Vallos
DE: Redding(!), Kerney, Jackson, Tapp
DT: Mebane, Cole, (Red Bryant), Terrill
MLB: Tatupu, Hawthorne
OLB: Not shown.
FS: Adams (!), Grant, Wallace, Russell (hallelujah!)
SS: Not shown.
CB: Wilson, Trufant, Jennings, Hobbs

Wilson being #1 over Trufant is probably a non-issue, since there really isn’t a #1 CB. Adams is indeed #1 at FS and Russell is (thank God), #4. Unless this is a very sneaky lie, this implies that the FO is aware of how badly Russell sucks and they now view him as a veteran backup. I’m guessing (and hoping) Grant leapfrogs Adams in the event the team drafts a SS.

I guess I shouldn’t be too shocked that Seattle views Redding as a DE, and not a DT, but it was still pretty shocking seeing him listed #1 while Tapp was #4. That seems like a pretty gross mis-evaluation. Colin Cole is #2 on the DT chart. Looks like he will indeed be the starter barring an unlikely DT draft pick.

by kearly on Apr 11, 2009 9:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Thanks for assembling this list.

I guess if they truly do view Redding as more of a DE than a DT. Then unless they are completely sold on Cole, the chances seem like it would be high taht we draft a DT in the first 3 rounds, no?
The way I see it, in the first 4 rounds we have these positions of need: S, QB, DT, O-line, LB, WR, RB?

by LantermanC on Apr 11, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, if Ruskell has his heart set on Ziggy Hood, and is worried that he will be gone by the Colts pick in round 1

and wants to trade up, I’m fine with this. But given that Redding has a knee problem and is only a one year deal, I wish we got more than just a 5th in return for Muscley Arms.

by LantermanC on Apr 11, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is a very thin draft for DT.

Evander Hood is awesome and all, but he was a 2nd/3rd round prospect a couple months ago. The lack of DT talent has pushed all of the prospects up higher, which is why Hood is now likely to be picked in the 20’s, even though nothings really changed with him. After Hood, I’m not sure there are any DT’s that would be good enough to be immediate starters, and trading from #37 into the mid 20’s would be pricey.

Further, Redding may not be slotted at DT right now but he does serve as DT depth. I could see the Seahawks drafting Craig Terrill 2.0 in the late rounds, but if they went after a starter, I’d be pretty surprised. Now if Hood is still magically sitting there at #37, then that’s a different story.

by kearly on Apr 12, 2009 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

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Believe.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 12, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I saw it this morning and thought the exact same thing

Kudos to kearly for assembling the list. I started doing that also, probably flipped back through about eight times trying to see, but had to leave. It was very blurry. I was also thinking “Adams at the top? geeeeeet outta here,” but all the others in order do appear to be by depth or very close. I don’t really see Wilson above Trufant, but maybe they do, or maybe it’s just by starters first, as Redding was above Kearney.

by B.B.Finnegan on Apr 12, 2009 12:47 AM PDT reply actions  

"or maybe it’s just by starters first, as Redding was above Kearney."

That’s what I was thinking. Or it could be something simple like left side listed first, right side second, or the other way around.

by Mind of no mind on Apr 12, 2009 3:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

I also zoomed and paused and came up with the following conclusions

IF it wasn’t manipulated by the FO to confuse, then:
1. Red names = rookies (1-2 yr players). No surprises there.
2. Green names = last year of contract (Hill, Sims, Spencer and Willis). I’m guessing this was shot before Willis was re-signed to 2 yr deal.
3. Purple dots = upgrade needed though the draft. Names with purple dots include Rowe, Forsett, Taylor, Newton, Tereshinkski, Williams, Wrotto, Vallos, Jackson, Miller, Bryant, Brown, Hawthorne, Lewis, Adams, Floyd and… Carlson!

Concerning TE, three of the 4 on the roster had purple dots. Only Owens was clean. This could mean while Carlson makes a great receiver, they want more of a stud blocker, and could be looking for a #1 TE in the draft.

Concerning Safety, while Adams is first on the list as stated by others, in red for rookie, and with purple for upgarde needed (my interpretation), I think this just means they are looking for a #1 safety in the draft. No surprise.

If this logic holds, I’d say we’re looking for a #3 running back (behind Jones and Duckett), a #3 QB and #5 WR. Also a #4 Tackle, #3 Guard, #2 Center, except that in all three of those cases guys are in the last year of their contract, so need may be higher. For the rest of the defense, it would mean looking for #3 DE, #3 DT, #2 ILB, #2 OLB and #5 CB.

Of course, it could all be BS, but too much of it made sense, so I don’t think so. I think they were banking on the quick pan of the camera sufficiently blurring the chart.

by diehard82 on Apr 12, 2009 8:14 AM PDT reply actions  

I think Owens was Clean because he's the one blocking tight end

And Carlson is marked because they need someone similar to him in case of injury, someone else who can catch AND block. Like when we had Jerramy Stevens, we also had Itulu Mili.

by B.B.Finnegan on Apr 12, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Does Carlson play special teams?

Could that be what the purple dot is? I have a really hard time believing they’re not happy with him.

by Nate Dogg on Apr 12, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure if he still does, but

I do remember Roscoe Parrish spinning out of a tackle Carlson was trying to make on that punt return TD in the season opener.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 13, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would take the order of names on the depth chart with a football-sized grain of salt.

Sando, when he was a beat reporter, repeatedly emphasized that we should not read anything into the depth charts posted on Seahawks.com or otherwise, especially in the offseason. They just need to get the names up there and aren’t necessarily projecting starting/backup slots.

by lemonverbena on Apr 12, 2009 8:52 AM PDT reply actions  

Normally you take these things with a grain of salt because

it’s just the same old information. And they keep the surprises for later. Adams being ahead of Russel would be big news if it was true. There’s no reason for them to intentionally leak this, as all it would do is annoy Russel. That’s what leads credence to it for me. There’s just no incentive for them to let this get out intentionally.

by Fear on Apr 12, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Was it for camp?

It could be a situation where Adams was given a look with the starters. Minicamp is a good time to see how a young safety understands coverages because that skill can be isolated in the type of 3/4 speed, no pad drills usually run in the spring.

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by Michael Scott on Apr 12, 2009 4:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Oh man.

Does Ruskell look like the least likely football expert out there? Nice sweater-vest.

by djafrot on Apr 13, 2009 2:49 AM PDT reply actions  

They were putting on a show...

Notice most of the guys struggling to keep a straight face?

FWIW, the “depth chart” would be specifically designed for the draft, not so much who will start or play. They probably don’t even know that yet.
Regardless, they aren’t going to give away any useful information. Some of those draft-related comments sounded like they were pulled from a hat…

by Kryten on Apr 13, 2009 8:53 PM PDT reply actions  

I didn't see the pony show you did.

I would also add that what we are seeing is an edit. Here’s what I saw:

- It appeared that this meeting was what I would refer to as strategy mapping. A way of assigning value to choices by connecting strategic objectives (cause and effect relationship).

- I saw alot of young new faces trying to pay attention to Ruskell.
- I saw some concern that this was the first time ever using this particular facility (infrastructure).
- I saw concern that the Hawks draft so quickly this time (as opposed to a 20-28 pick as usual).

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by iverson2169 on Apr 14, 2009 2:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Speaking of infrastructure

I found the most remarkable thing to be the dba being such a part of it. It makes sense, but just fascinating in a IT guy’s fantasy kind of way.

But yeah. I mean sure, there must have been some words in there meant to blow smoke. And regardless of smoke, the WR and CB discussion is clearly meant for the clip, it’s not like Ruskell’s finally boning up on these positional overviews just now. NFL Network was looking for an inside view, and got one from Seattle. The depth chart, of existing players, could only relate to the draft in terms of need, cost, and retention.

by jacobstevens on Apr 14, 2009 3:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I doubt anyone looks this far back anymore...

But I thought it was worth noting, but not worth a new post, that NFL network has shown the Seahawks draft room again and you see the board from another angle

This confirms that there is only one list for all safety’s (no SS on the board) and we can also see Mare is at the top of the special teams board (not a big surprise). But it does give me further hope that they really do have Adams listed above Russell.

by Mind of no mind on Apr 23, 2009 11:24 PM PDT reply actions  

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