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The link is pretty insubstantial, I just thought this would be an interesting topic to raise, and I didn't want to use a FanPost since this isn't Seahawks related.

If the Lions are targeting Stafford, why wouldn't they wait two picks until taking him? The Rams clearly won't take him because of all the money they have invested in Bulger, and the Chiefs aren't taking him because they just picked up Cassel. And we know the likelihood of someone trading up to take him is almost zero as there haven't been any trades into the Top 5 in a decade. If you were the Lions, shouldn't they wait two picks and save themselves a few million in guarantees?

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Well, you might as well

and pick right before we do. Except Matt Ryan was paid more (I think, maybe just equal) to what JaMarcus was paid. And he was a no.3 pick and Russell was a no. 1 pick who held out for a long time. A top 5 QB that is the first QB taken I think get’s paid about the same, no matter what his actual pick was.

by LantermanC on Apr 13, 2009 11:05 AM PDT reply actions  

It would certainly piss off the player.

Imagine if you’re in Stafford’s shoes. You’re already facing the undesirable position of playing for the graveyard of the NFL where young talent goes to die, and on top the team won’t even pay what you could be making.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 13, 2009 12:41 PM PDT reply actions  

I can imagine being Stafford and thinking

‘well, my new team at least is smart’. I wouldn’t want to go to a team that doesn’t handle it’s money well. A team should think of every possible option. Giving out large contracts to unproven or bad players would signal to me that the team I’m playing for will be bad for a long time.
I also personally wouldn’t care. Just give me my $50 million dollars and I’m fine.

by LantermanC on Apr 13, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

It'd lead to all kind of problems in contract negotiations

Between pissing off the player and agent to the justified feelings that he should be paid as the top pick in the draft you’d wind up looking at a lengthy hold out. This happened with Rivers, who expected to be paid higher than his pick because of the trade, and Quinn, who knew the Browns were seriously considering him with the pick they used on Joe Thomas and held them over a barrel for it. If Stafford is your guy get him signed before the draft even starts.

by Nate Dogg on Apr 13, 2009 4:30 PM PDT reply actions  

That's sort of a losers mentallity...

And Millen’s gone.
They should pick who they want while they are on the clock. They would look like complete morons if they had 6 months on the clock and still couldn’t make their pick.
Remember, the salary-slotting is unofficial and any agent/player can demand whatever they think they can get, and the teams can pay what they want, limited by the cap.

Strategically, they SHOULD sign whoever they want beforehand— and if they can’t, it may be a pretty good sign they’ll have trouble signing him after the draft.
But if Stafford is the pick, his leverage is limited, since the XFL, AFL and USFL have all folded. The longer he holds out, the less he’ll be able to contribute this year, the less games he’d be paid for, and the more the fans will hate him. Not good for him or the team. He’ll have to either accept a deal or sit out until next draft where he’ll be maybe the 3rd QB in line, and probably slip farther down since teams won’t want to waste a pick on someone they can’t sign and has been out of football for a year.

My guess is if they can’t get something agreed to before draft day, they’ll work something out with Jason Smith. 4 of the top 5 would help them and most would LOVE to be the #1 overall pick. If the Lions run out the clock instead of signing someone beforehand, they really are losers.
It would be very funny if the only one they could agree to terms with is Crabtree….

by Kryten on Apr 14, 2009 12:47 PM PDT reply actions  

A thought:

I keep noticing that every year when the NFL draft rolls around, people want to trade down, regardless of where their team is drafting. The perception is always something like “at draft position X there are really N players that are roughly equal value, therefore, I would like to trade down. I’ll be happy with whoever the other teams don’t pick because I consider them to be roughly equal in value, and I will get the bonus of lower salary and net an additional pick.” The trouble is that you hear this so often from fans. I am just making an insight here, I am not rigorously comparing this draft to another in terms of talent distribution. I think it is important to note though, that decisiveness is one of the most important features of good management, one that we don’t all possess.

Personally, I am reasonably good at offering arguments and analysis about a decision, as I get a lot of practice with this as a research scientist, but don’t have a lot of talent or experience making hard decisions. NFL GM’s get paid the big bucks to look at those N players at draft position X and say “I think player Y is the one for us and I am going to put my stamp on that decision”. There is rarely a draft where any team comes up at any position and there is only one player they can justify taking there. Also, very rarely will there be only one player who is a superior talent at a given position. There are just many, many shades of gray and it is the GM and co.’s job to figure it out.

If the Lions want Stafford they take him at #1. Sometimes it just sucks being the trailblazers.

by michaelfox99 on Apr 16, 2009 5:08 AM PDT reply actions  

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