Chicago Trades Two First Round Picks, Third for Jay Cutler and Fifth Round Pick
by John Morgan on Apr 2, 2009 3:07 PM PDT
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PrintThat's a lot, but not unreasonable. All made possible by Keary Colbert. Who says history will drop you like so many slippery, slippery footballs?
Chicago moves the 18th pick and probably a pick in the mid-to-late twenties next year to become a title contender. Even after all these years, the Bears have a top ten defense. Matt Forte played pretty well and Chicago's interior offensive line is strong. They added left tackle Chris Williams last season. Wide receiver is still a need, but watch some unknowns take off with Cutler tossing the rock. Earl Bennett anyone?
After slow offseason, I'd say it's a pretty good day to be a Bears fan.
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What about Kyle Orton?
He’s less mention-worthy than a 5th rounder?
by LantermanC on Apr 2, 2009 3:09 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
(chuckles)
--Shrug
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by Shrug on Apr 3, 2009 2:04 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
What's the likelihood Denver drafts a QB with one of those 1st rounders?
One who can sit a year or two under Orton?
I think Orton is better than a lot of people give him credit for.
Bears fans seemed to be happy with him before this. The Chicago offense was putrid, but it wasn’t because of him, he had no one to throw the ball to.
It's great to be a Florida Gator!
by Wayward Llama on Apr 2, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Chris Simms is already on the Bronco's roster.
My best guess is that Simms will be the starter, and Orton will be the backup, which means they probably won’t take a QB with either 1st rounder. They didn’t ask for Orton in the trade just so he could be their 3rd stringer.
by SeaTownBlueDevil on Apr 2, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Call me dumb
but trading #4, a third rounder in 2010, and Hasselbeck sounds like a good trade to me.
Did we just stare success in the eye, and walk away?
It is what it is...
Doesn't have to be, really
He’s super cheap and super young compared to Hasselbeck. Orton could be a couple notches worse than Hasselbeck and still be equally valuable. I think Denver figures they have a lot of talent in place and that Orton has a shot to be pretty good in a New England style system. And if not, shoot, start over.
Which is to say
The Broncos would not likely accept it. This deal adds two picks first round picks, clears cap space and adds a 26 year old quarterback with some upside.
Indeed
Well, all we can do is wonder what deal would have made sense.
I would rather see proven value to that of unproven value that costs more. Seem we could have found a way to pair a proven young commodity in a QB to that of our youthful defense.
I congratulate Chicago for having the balls to try and win.
It is what it is...
Everyone tries to win.
Some just try harder. And some try too hard (Erik Bedard trade, I’m looking at you).
I would never wish the Erik Bedard Experience
on anyone.
Shout out to all those who mourned the loss of Jimmy Hendrix’s house.
It is what it is...
I don't know anything about Hendrix.
But they should’ve burned his house down on April 20th. Maybe put some plants in the house before burning it down as well. It be like pouring alcohol on the ground in reference to a deceased friend, except more relevant.
I would be mixing them in with my eggs, getting a direct tap into my drinking water, mixing them in with my toothpaste
Guy needs some superhuman TO recovering ability and then that D is ridiculous.
Not Seahawks related
So I can let loose a bit.
Also, all of my friends and family are Bears fans and I’m the stupid type that gets more excited for others than myself. Only problem, I fear they will miss the complete awesomeness of this trade.
I'm in Chicago...
And when a friend told me about the trade, I said something about getting a franchise quarterback.
He said, “in Chicago, the term ‘franchise quarterback’ doesn’t have any meaning.”
So there are some skeptics, still.
Smart fans.
Taking a wait and see approach. Kudos to them.
Weez the juice!!
by Carl Shinyama on Apr 2, 2009 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I have since run into some other fans who are downright giddy
“We finally have a quarterback! It’s been 25 years!”
I asked them if he still counts as a quarterback if he has nobody to throw the ball to. The answer was: “He’s from Santa Claus! And he’s been a Bears fan his whole life!” Frankly, I don’t think they were even listening to me.
Everyone always talked about Mike Brown being hurt
but it was whether or not Harris was in that made the difference between Raven’s type of elite defense and a good defense.
I am way to involved
I am like a guy waiting for the girl to call him back. I’ve become a complete NFL douchbag. Bravo!
It is what it is...
I just didn't see it happening
Ruskell has been ruthless with Seahawks whining about their contracts or even refusing to restructure. I don’t think he seriously considered Cutler.
Honestly
can Detroit validate passing on Stafford and taking an OT that, in many minds, is no better than Jeff Backus?
Again, I am waiting for the girl to call back. So “yes” is the correct response!
It is what it is...
Great Flick!
I’ll leave you with another favourite: Harlod & Kumar: Go to White Castle. Classic!
It is what it is...
I actually preferred the second one.
Rob Corddry was incredible.
by SeaTownBlueDevil on Apr 2, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions
That:
Dude, where’s my car? being better than Dumb and Dumber
by tohereknowswhen on Apr 2, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup
By the way. I still have a mancrush on Sanchez.
I must be related to Bavasi and not know it.
It is what it is...
Really?
I had no hopes for Cutler. I be happy if he were on the Seahawks, but realistically I didn’t give us more than a 5% chance of getting him.
I forced myself
to watch Eugene Monroe’s highlight tape last night.
I’m coming round. At least he’s tall.
It is what it is...
And with the 245th pick in the 2009 NFL draft
the Seattle Seahawks selected Hasheem Thabeet from the University of Connecticut.
Oh Yeah!
I’m sitting here, contemplating the fact that Ruskell’s first 1st round draft picks most likely be on the team next year.
I hope we make a play for a QB next year. Someone to root for.
It is what it is...
Dumb and Dumber is better, but Dude Where's My Car? isn't bad.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
The only time I've lost my car is after charity work
I was looking for it until it was just me and the bums.
Any love for Strange Brew an old school drinking movie
Strange Brew is probably Rick Moranis second best movie (obviously Spaceballs is untouchable)
fast times at richmont high
Who knew about Penn? Plus, Phoebe was luscious.
…’no shoes… no shirt… no dice"
Strange Brew is amazing.
I would agree that it is one of the best drinking movies of all time.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
I learned early on the "eh" game ends poorly
“Hoser” is the better and more survivable drinking game to the movie. FYI
Actually, this is not a bad movie.
Of course, having some eskimo hat to go with it helps. Despite that, it’s fun while sober as well.
Yesterday's Pants
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Ruskell's a dream
For crushing my dicks.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 2, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Okay, So Back to the Football
You’re worried about Denver getting Detroit’s pick. It still makes sense for them to trade up and get a QB. What about with the Seahawks? They’re now carrying 12 and 18 in the first round. Is that a fair deal for #4, if Stafford is there? Does Denver pull that deal?
Pulp Fiction? Or Basic?
And who’s Angelo? I was thinking of the Baltimore Orioles owner at first, but that doesn’t seem right.
Jerry Angelo.
Aka the guy you could throw into a barrel of boobs and he’d come out sucking his thumb.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 2, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions
But hang on a minute
Why bother trying to turn shit into gold? You can start with quality, and then transform him into an even better player.
I get the feeling that Josh McDaniels’ tenure as head of the Broncos ain’t gonna work out so well.
Yep.
The Broncos are in full rebuilding mode, and the fans can blame whoever they want. I wonder who.
Judging from the reaction of a few of my Bears fan friends, it's like Christmas in April.
Cutler is, of course, from Santa Claus, Indiana.
If I were a Bears fan, I'd be a hundred pounds heavier and prefer Old Style.
I’m happy as is.
by abender20 on Apr 2, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Would you consider them a favorite to at least play in the NFC Championship at this point, then?
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Well, that's true of all sports, but if teams were to make it based strictly on talent, would you put them in, say, the top 3 in the conference?
I guess that would be a better way to phrase my question.
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Football is quite a bit more unpredictable than most sports
The NFL has comparable to most sports a stupendously short season, very high rate of injury, fluke injury, and injury related decline.
Not draft a good WR?
NEEDS MORE FREEDOM!
by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 2, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not sure they need to
Bennett, Hester (remember that deep ball), and now the team can sign Holt or Harrison.
Ya, but Bennett and Hester
are no Marshall and Royal.
But he does have Olsen.
NEEDS MORE FREEDOM!
by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 2, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Well
Marshall and Royal weren’t exactly slam dunk picks. I think Cutler has something to do with both of them being stars.
On the contrary, I think both of them have something to do with Cutler being a star.
Those ridiculous INTs while staring down Marshall as soon as the snap got off weren’t impressive.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 2, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
But something to look for
is Cutler and Bennett went to the same school. Also, last year’s first round pick Chris Williams was a Vanderbilt tackle. Not sure if Williams played when Cutler was still around though.
I don't think he did.
And I heard he wasn’t that great when he played but was struggling through injury. I suppose signing Pace and letting Williams adjust to the pro game on the right side should be helpful for the couple of games before Pace blows out a knee or something.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 3, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Watch it happen, pal.
If I’ve learned one thing from my 4 years in Chicago, it’s that failure comes from the deliciously unexpected angles.
The Bears need Batman
NEEDS MORE FREEDOM!
by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 2, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't forget all the Notre Dame fans...
Fans of spring weather…
Fans of evenly-paved roads…
<3 Notre Dame
Actually, I’m a fan of seemingly every college team. NCAA football is so sweet.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 2, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Cause I get excited when other people do.
NEEDS MORE FREEDOM!
by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 2, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe they'll have a Falcons type draft...
…and Orton or Simms turn out……..HA! Or maybe Josh McDaniels can make somebodies out of nobodies just like Belichek. Who knows. I think itll be a close race for dead last.
Perhaps, but
I like this trade for Denver, in the sense that they felt they had no choice but to trade Cutler. Assuming the #1 option was no longer available — you know, no being gigantic idiots when dealing with Cutler since last season ended, and keeping him in good spirits — then getting two #1’s and change is a really good haul.
They could draft great and suck out loud in 2009, however. Considering that the Patriots traded Cassel for just a second-rounder, this is a big deal. It’s possible both teams benefit from this trade, in the long run.
Say Denver gets
Malcolm Jenkins and Ray Maualuga in the 1st. Their defense is already drastically better. Then their RBs can stay healthy, and voila, I think 8-8 isn’t too unrealistic of a goal.
They still have no defensive line
which is what their problem has been all along. They had Champ and DJ Williams and some other talent in those group but good god is their front 4 bad.
the Bears paid a lot for Cutler
2 first rounders? But then again, they’ve been needing a good QB for the longest time. With that defense, I could easily see them winning Super Bowl because of this. Who gets the better deal will come down to who the Broncos select with their picks, but this also sets them back a few years to being competitive.
So basically
If Cutler goes down, the Bears, at the moment, would turn to Rex Grossman.
They had every chance to get rid of that stiff and instead traded Orton.
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They already have Grossman. You mean the Broncos right?
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By the way, the Bears play at Qwest this year
Time to bring the pain, Mebane.
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I don't think Orton is awful
and I think the relative talent of the Bears and Broncos will pull Cutler and Orton’s performance closer than some would expect, but I think as long as Chicago builds around Cutler, the potential is huge.
I think Orton is actually pretty decent.
Which is why I question this trade. Cutler is good, but why trade so much away? Orton could be good if he had an offensive line and wide receivers
It's great to be a Florida Gator!
by Wayward Llama on Apr 2, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions
He's better than about 10 of the starting quarterbacks in the league
Which isn’t saying a lot I guess but he should be a decent stop gap while they find a new QB.
Bears also just picked up Orlando Pace
So he can play for two games and then go on injured reserve. If the Bears were smart they’d sit him the whole season and then use him for the playoffs.
Pace at right tackle?
I think the Bears are doing something this offseason. If only football wasn’t so much chance.
Reads like they plan to use him as their starting left tackle
per nfl.com
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80f93e0f&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true
Doesn’t look like they have anybody else on that side. It’s a gamble that’s for sure, if it pays off it could pay off huge, but if it doesn’t they better have a backup plan.
WOW
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 2, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder if they will Select Sanchez if available at 18.
Or, if that they think he’ll be there. More likely is that Orton will lock it down in theory for McDaniels, ala Cassell, as mentioned above.
When Cutler is in Seattle, he'll get a heavy serving of this
Thank you. Thank you.
Photo editing is fun.
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by SSreporters on Apr 2, 2009 5:10 PM PDT reply actions 7 recs
::Takes off monocle::
My GOD!
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 2, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
supplemental income?
Remember who I am because I’ll want a freebee in a large. Go make like 10000 of these and sell them before the games. You’ll make a killing!
Absolutely Freakin’ Hallarious!
Mayock is saying he thinks Sanchez is perfect for Denver
and with all the picks they have should be trading up to ensure they get him. Unfortunately, if they think Seattle may take him at 4, they’ll be looking to trade to 3. Frankly, I think that’s too high and they won’t do that. IF we trade with Oakland, so they can get to Curry or Crabtree, then we’d be sitting right in front of Jacksonville and might be in a position to trade down with Denver. Likewise, at 12 we might be in position to trade down with Jets at 17 so they can take Freeman in front of the Jets. I’m assuming Tampa Bay will try to jump in front of the Jets, so Jets proactively need to jump to 12 where Tampa doesn’t have the picks (no 2nd rounder) to make that happen. So that’s my new fantasy draft order. Pick up 3 high 3rd round picks from Oakland, Denver and Jets for trading down to 17, then use 2 of those to trade back into another mid 2nd rounder. We wind up with 17, 37, 50’ish, 68 and 71 in the first 3 rounds. That would be a nice start to rebuilding.
I think we should be trading down to picks with better value
I can’t think of a player at 4 that will make sense at the requisite salary.
what would be funny is if we had philadelphia's two lower picks
i wonder how many people would be all “trade up! trade up! get a star!”
i know
just sayin there’d probably be an equal amount of other people saying just the opposite. I’m fine with what we got, having basically your pick of the entire draft is rather exciting to me (of that could change, depending on who we select.)
Sanchez to Denver makes sense
for various reasons, but I can’t help but wonder if 1) he’ll be there at 18 [you mentioned a trade-up, which I could see], or 2) they might not be content w/ Orton for the next couple of seasons in a win now w/ experience QB mentality?
I'm not saying it's likely that it happens.
And in fact, I believe it would be foolhardy to think that. That doesn’t McDaniels doesn’t have that mentality, though.
Next Season
Is also looking like a good QB draft class. Orton for 1-2 years and make a move if necessary for one of next years blue chip QBs.
Denver has Orton, Chris Simms, and Darrell Hackney
Just laughable how badly they screwed up a good thing.
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Maybe they can get Herschel Walker to do color commentary
--Shrug
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by Shrug on Apr 3, 2009 2:11 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
My Keg of Manny's Pale Ale being dispensed out of my Kegerator is making me not feel too bad that we missed out on Cutler.
Sweet, sweet Manny’s.
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It is my second favorite beer behind Ruination IPA (which I plan to get a keg of this summer...road trip!)
Here’s a few reviews: Manny’s Pale Ale
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Brett no pleased with you mock of John Morgan. Use club now.
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"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 2, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok honestly this is creeping me out...
If i ever become a horror film director – that shit is going in. Including Big Phil
YESSSSSSSSS
YES YES YES YES YES YES
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 2, 2009 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions
More like
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 2, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
This is a good test
Young quarterback traded in his prime. System, surrounding talent or innate ability?
It will be very interesting though, in terms of surrounding offensive talent
Denver is in much better shape then Chicago. It’ll be interesting to see how it unfolds next season.
exactly what I'm thinking
I like Cutler, I really warmed up to the idea of him as a possibility for Seattle. But one reason why is because I thought he’d be switching between similar systems and surrounded by comparable O talent.
That said, I do have some misgivings about the guy, and a nagging suspicion that some of the great #’s he put up in DEN were “hollow”, for lack of a better term.
Seeing him go to the Bears will be a good test of how those numbers translate and just how much a QB elevates the play of those around him or vice versa.
Of course, if he fails the MSM storyline will be because he’s an emo pussy who doesn’t have the machismo to be a leader of men.
by jteckmann on Apr 2, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
well then it'll be doubly interesting
now we might also see how well those adjusted metrics meet reality
Football is so team dependent
Quarterbacks in their prime are rarely traded, so seeing how Cutler does is interesting if not necessarily definitive.
Wait, so Orton was traded to the Donkeys too?
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
I knew it.
I just knew it.
It was going to be a Joey Galloway type of trade. Basically two 1st round picks (cut including a third rounder) for Cutler and (and a 5th rounder) .
Weez the juice!!
I know there was probably a user who's comments got deleted here
But I’m gonna pretend for comedic value that Nate Dogg was simply arguing with himself for like 8 posts in a row
Actually I can see that
He would argue with himself, and be convinced afterward he won both sides of the argument
yea pretty much
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 2, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd rather reserve judgment.
But that’s just me.
Weez the juice!!
by Carl Shinyama on Apr 2, 2009 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Question,
Does your room look like Jimmy Fallon’s in ‘Fever Pitch’ only with Seahawks and Mariners stuff?
Man, I hated that movie.
Call me shallow.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 2, 2009 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 2, 2009 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Damn straight.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 3, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
He's now claiming he never wanted to be traded? UGH!
Ten bucks says he did the "see who's calling, then don't pick up" thing the entire time
Josh McDaniels to reach Cutler for the past 10 days were “unsuccessful.”
10 days goes beyond accidental missed phone calls…
S.O.P. for any player leaving town
“I love this town fans are great will always have fond memories I wanted to finish my career here” etc etc etc.
--Shrug
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Will McDaniels run a zone blocking scheme like Mike Shanahan did?
I say this because that offense as we all know was based a lot on run – and the ability to just plug and play any old runningback. It was often the reason for Denver’s offensive success, albeit not last year considering the Seahawkesque injuries they sustained at runningback so Cutler had to carry the team. I do not believe Orton is even near Cutler in talent and same with Chris Simms so I would assume a strong running game would be essential to continue their ongoing success. The Broncos would have been nowhere near in the running for a playoff spot if it hadnt been for Cutler carrying the team on his shoulders. The defense was abysmal and with such a garbage defense like that/Orton’s game managing ways it should be important to sustain long drives which of course is done best with a solid running game. Anyways back to my original point. If McDaniels switches it up to a man to man scheme would the runningbacks and more importantly the offensive line be the right personel to run his new scheme? Did he keep the same offensive line coach? What kind of background does offensive coordinator Mike McCoy have? I believe it was LantermanC who said theres a chance of them going 8-8 with the right pickups on defense. I agree. If Josh McDaniels can prove hes really the offensive genius hes been praised to be (grooming Matt Cassel for one thing) and can keep the offense in at least the top 10 with some good additions on defense I see no problem of them going at least 8-8. One last thing I would like to note – they are switching to a 3-4 defense as well which I can’t imagine is necessarily an easy transition especially considering they have no nose tackle and have been drafting defensive ends for a 4-3 formation. Well now actually after writing that – unless Orton is the Broncos version of Cassel or somehow even close to Cutler the Broncos are fucked. No defense. I repeat the Broncos are fucked.
::Crushed by the wall o' text::
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 2, 2009 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
HA!
Well that wasnt the point when I first started writing, I just came to the conclusion throughout my ‘meaty block of text…’
Yeah I went back and read it..
I saw you worked your way up to that crescendo…. the gears started turning and all of a sudden… HEY wait a cotton pickin minute….the Broncos are fucked!
I told my friend who's a big Bronco's fan the Cutler news.
He greeted it with throwing his hands up in the air and saying, “Go Nuggets!”
I could have sworn this thread vanished around a couple of hours ago.
Now it’s suddenly here again!
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
I dropped it for a little while.
I seemed like people were turning on each other and I was in no condition to moderate. Maybe I overreacted, but after a few minutes it seemed the tension dissipated.
Eh?
I didn’t see any arguing or the like going on, but who knows.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 3, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 3, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm trying to start some combative arguing.
You asshole.
by SeaTownBlueDevil on Apr 3, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 3, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Nate had a moment... but it wasn't to serious
SO john… “no condition to moderate” means “one to many of those tasty ales” you were talking about? ;)
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 3, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions
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