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Chicago Trades Two First Round Picks, Third for Jay Cutler and Fifth Round Pick

Jj_flag_detail1_tiny by John Morgan on Comment 292 comments

That's a lot, but not unreasonable. All made possible by Keary Colbert. Who says history will drop you like so many slippery, slippery footballs?

Chicago moves the 18th pick and probably a pick in the mid-to-late twenties next year to become a title contender. Even after all these years, the Bears have a top ten defense. Matt Forte played pretty well and Chicago's interior offensive line is strong. They added left tackle Chris Williams last season. Wide receiver is still a need, but watch some unknowns take off with Cutler tossing the rock. Earl Bennett anyone?

After slow offseason, I'd say it's a pretty good day to be a Bears fan.

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What about Kyle Orton?

He’s less mention-worthy than a 5th rounder?

by LantermanC on Apr 2, 2009 3:09 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

(chuckles)

--Shrug
Field Gulls - The SBN Seattle Seahawks Blog

by Shrug on Apr 3, 2009 2:04 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Jesus

NEEDS MORE FREEDOM!

by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 2, 2009 3:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Orton is better than a lot of people give him credit for.

Bears fans seemed to be happy with him before this. The Chicago offense was putrid, but it wasn’t because of him, he had no one to throw the ball to.

It's great to be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Apr 2, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Orton throwing to Marshall and Royal ...

He’ll put up way better numbers than last year.

by Nick Andron on Apr 3, 2009 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chris Simms is already on the Bronco's roster.

My best guess is that Simms will be the starter, and Orton will be the backup, which means they probably won’t take a QB with either 1st rounder. They didn’t ask for Orton in the trade just so he could be their 3rd stringer.

by SeaTownBlueDevil on Apr 2, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Call me dumb

but trading #4, a third rounder in 2010, and Hasselbeck sounds like a good trade to me.

Did we just stare success in the eye, and walk away?

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Apr 2, 2009 3:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

How so?

You think that the Bronco’s eye Orton as potential mainstay at the QB position?

by LantermanC on Apr 2, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't have to be, really

He’s super cheap and super young compared to Hasselbeck. Orton could be a couple notches worse than Hasselbeck and still be equally valuable. I think Denver figures they have a lot of talent in place and that Orton has a shot to be pretty good in a New England style system. And if not, shoot, start over.

by John Morgan on Apr 2, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which is to say

The Broncos would not likely accept it. This deal adds two picks first round picks, clears cap space and adds a 26 year old quarterback with some upside.

by John Morgan on Apr 2, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed

Well, all we can do is wonder what deal would have made sense.

I would rather see proven value to that of unproven value that costs more. Seem we could have found a way to pair a proven young commodity in a QB to that of our youthful defense.

I congratulate Chicago for having the balls to try and win.

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Apr 2, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone tries to win.

Some just try harder. And some try too hard (Erik Bedard trade, I’m looking at you).

by LantermanC on Apr 2, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would never wish the Erik Bedard Experience

on anyone.

Shout out to all those who mourned the loss of Jimmy Hendrix’s house.

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Apr 2, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know anything about Hendrix.

But they should’ve burned his house down on April 20th. Maybe put some plants in the house before burning it down as well. It be like pouring alcohol on the ground in reference to a deceased friend, except more relevant.

by LantermanC on Apr 2, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man, if I was Tommie Harris

I would be doing so many roids right now.

by John Morgan on Apr 2, 2009 3:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He could invite

BJ Raji over… make some roid brownies.

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Apr 2, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No way

All those ROIDS are goin’ to the BEARS! THIS IS THEIR MOTHERFUCKIN YEAR!

by John Morgan on Apr 2, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not Seahawks related

So I can let loose a bit.

Also, all of my friends and family are Bears fans and I’m the stupid type that gets more excited for others than myself. Only problem, I fear they will miss the complete awesomeness of this trade.

by John Morgan on Apr 2, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

All my Bears fan friends are psyched.

Or at least that’s what their facebook status tells me.

by LantermanC on Apr 2, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm in Chicago...

And when a friend told me about the trade, I said something about getting a franchise quarterback.

He said, “in Chicago, the term ‘franchise quarterback’ doesn’t have any meaning.”

So there are some skeptics, still.

by busplunger on Apr 2, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Smart fans.

Taking a wait and see approach. Kudos to them.

Weez the juice!!

by Carl Shinyama on Apr 2, 2009 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have since run into some other fans who are downright giddy

“We finally have a quarterback! It’s been 25 years!”

I asked them if he still counts as a quarterback if he has nobody to throw the ball to. The answer was: “He’s from Santa Claus! And he’s been a Bears fan his whole life!” Frankly, I don’t think they were even listening to me.

by busplunger on Apr 2, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone always talked about Mike Brown being hurt

but it was whether or not Harris was in that made the difference between Raven’s type of elite defense and a good defense.

by Nate Dogg on Apr 2, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

't bother me a ton.

I was more worried about Denver getting Detroit’s pick and taking Stafford.

by John Morgan on Apr 2, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am way to involved

I am like a guy waiting for the girl to call him back. I’ve become a complete NFL douchbag. Bravo!

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Apr 2, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just didn't see it happening

Ruskell has been ruthless with Seahawks whining about their contracts or even refusing to restructure. I don’t think he seriously considered Cutler.

by John Morgan on Apr 2, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly

can Detroit validate passing on Stafford and taking an OT that, in many minds, is no better than Jeff Backus?

Again, I am waiting for the girl to call back. So “yes” is the correct response!

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Apr 2, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Backus?

You must be kidding. Backus has allowed 34.25 the last three seasons.

by John Morgan on Apr 2, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok

so, your saying there’s a chance. SWEEEET!

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Apr 2, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh yeah

greatest film ever. Well, that an Road Trip. I have high standards.

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Apr 2, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great Flick!

I’ll leave you with another favourite: Harlod & Kumar: Go to White Castle. Classic!

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Apr 2, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That:

Dude, where’s my car? being better than Dumb and Dumber

by tohereknowswhen on Apr 2, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Both top 10.

It’s not like I vehemently prefer one over the other.

by LantermanC on Apr 2, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

By the way. I still have a mancrush on Sanchez.

I must be related to Bavasi and not know it.

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Apr 2, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I forced myself

to watch Eugene Monroe’s highlight tape last night.

I’m coming round. At least he’s tall.

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Apr 2, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you like tall,

Phil Loadholt in the 2nd round is your pick.

by LantermanC on Apr 2, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And with the 245th pick in the 2009 NFL draft

the Seattle Seahawks selected Hasheem Thabeet from the University of Connecticut.

by LantermanC on Apr 2, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that dude

looks the part.

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Apr 2, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah

Tall, with a face that means business.

Looks. Not acts.

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Apr 2, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh Yeah!

I’m sitting here, contemplating the fact that Ruskell’s first 1st round draft picks most likely be on the team next year.

I hope we make a play for a QB next year. Someone to root for.

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Apr 2, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dumb and Dumber is better, but Dude Where's My Car? isn't bad.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Apr 2, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only time I've lost my car is after charity work

I was looking for it until it was just me and the bums.

by John Morgan on Apr 2, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any love for Strange Brew an old school drinking movie

Strange Brew is probably Rick Moranis second best movie (obviously Spaceballs is untouchable)

by Built2Spill on Apr 2, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

fast times at richmont high

Who knew about Penn? Plus, Phoebe was luscious.

…’no shoes… no shirt… no dice"

by Misfit74 on Apr 2, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Strange Brew is great.

Dazed & Confused is another.

by Wilder. on Apr 2, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Strange Brew is amazing.

I would agree that it is one of the best drinking movies of all time.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Apr 2, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I learned early on the "eh" game ends poorly

“Hoser” is the better and more survivable drinking game to the movie. FYI

by Built2Spill on Apr 2, 2009 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good idea.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Apr 2, 2009 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Duely noted

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Apr 2, 2009 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, this is not a bad movie.

Of course, having some eskimo hat to go with it helps. Despite that, it’s fun while sober as well.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Apr 2, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, So Back to the Football

You’re worried about Denver getting Detroit’s pick. It still makes sense for them to trade up and get a QB. What about with the Seahawks? They’re now carrying 12 and 18 in the first round. Is that a fair deal for #4, if Stafford is there? Does Denver pull that deal?

by robbbbbb on Apr 2, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's safe to say

McDaniels thinks they can turn shit into gold. That system and all…

by John Morgan on Apr 2, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So he's the Bruce Willis

to Bill Bavasi’s Samuel L. Jackson?

by LantermanC on Apr 2, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unbreakable reference

nice. I’m thinking the Travolta to Angelo’s Jackson.

by John Morgan on Apr 2, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pulp Fiction? Or Basic?

And who’s Angelo? I was thinking of the Baltimore Orioles owner at first, but that doesn’t seem right.

by LantermanC on Apr 2, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jerry Angelo.

Aka the guy you could throw into a barrel of boobs and he’d come out sucking his thumb.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 2, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bummer

I see your reasoning, but that’d be nifty for the Seahawks.

by robbbbbb on Apr 2, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But hang on a minute

Why bother trying to turn shit into gold? You can start with quality, and then transform him into an even better player.

I get the feeling that Josh McDaniels’ tenure as head of the Broncos ain’t gonna work out so well.

by robbbbbb on Apr 2, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

The Broncos are in full rebuilding mode, and the fans can blame whoever they want. I wonder who.

by John Morgan on Apr 2, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

At Least

The Broncos aren’t in as bad a spot as some other rebuilding teams. They have the makings of a decent offense.

by robbbbbb on Apr 2, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I were a Bears fan

I might miss work tomorrow. This is history changing for that franchise.

by John Morgan on Apr 2, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A favorite, maybe

but football is too unpredictable. It could be Giants v. SF.

by John Morgan on Apr 2, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, that's true of all sports, but if teams were to make it based strictly on talent, would you put them in, say, the top 3 in the conference?

I guess that would be a better way to phrase my question.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Apr 2, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Football is quite a bit more unpredictable than most sports

The NFL has comparable to most sports a stupendously short season, very high rate of injury, fluke injury, and injury related decline.

by John Morgan on Apr 2, 2009 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hm, good point.

Yesterday's Pants
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by BrettJMiller on Apr 2, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So

How do the Bears fuck this up?

by John Morgan on Apr 2, 2009 4:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure they need to

Bennett, Hester (remember that deep ball), and now the team can sign Holt or Harrison.

by John Morgan on Apr 2, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ya, but Bennett and Hester

are no Marshall and Royal.

But he does have Olsen.

NEEDS MORE FREEDOM!

by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 2, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

Marshall and Royal weren’t exactly slam dunk picks. I think Cutler has something to do with both of them being stars.

by John Morgan on Apr 2, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

On the contrary, I think both of them have something to do with Cutler being a star.

Those ridiculous INTs while staring down Marshall as soon as the snap got off weren’t impressive.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 2, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But something to look for

is Cutler and Bennett went to the same school. Also, last year’s first round pick Chris Williams was a Vanderbilt tackle. Not sure if Williams played when Cutler was still around though.

by Trepidation on Apr 2, 2009 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think he did.

And I heard he wasn’t that great when he played but was struggling through injury. I suppose signing Pace and letting Williams adjust to the pro game on the right side should be helpful for the couple of games before Pace blows out a knee or something.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 3, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Watch it happen, pal.

If I’ve learned one thing from my 4 years in Chicago, it’s that failure comes from the deliciously unexpected angles.

by abender20 on Apr 2, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget all the Notre Dame fans...

Fans of spring weather…
Fans of evenly-paved roads…

by busplunger on Apr 2, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

<3 Notre Dame

Actually, I’m a fan of seemingly every college team. NCAA football is so sweet.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 2, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So

Broncos in full rebuilding mode?

by John Morgan on Apr 2, 2009 4:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe they'll have a Falcons type draft...

…and Orton or Simms turn out……..HA! Or maybe Josh McDaniels can make somebodies out of nobodies just like Belichek. Who knows. I think itll be a close race for dead last.

by Communick on Apr 2, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps, but

I like this trade for Denver, in the sense that they felt they had no choice but to trade Cutler. Assuming the #1 option was no longer available — you know, no being gigantic idiots when dealing with Cutler since last season ended, and keeping him in good spirits — then getting two #1’s and change is a really good haul.

They could draft great and suck out loud in 2009, however. Considering that the Patriots traded Cassel for just a second-rounder, this is a big deal. It’s possible both teams benefit from this trade, in the long run.

by J.L. White on Apr 2, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Say Denver gets

Malcolm Jenkins and Ray Maualuga in the 1st. Their defense is already drastically better. Then their RBs can stay healthy, and voila, I think 8-8 isn’t too unrealistic of a goal.

by LantermanC on Apr 2, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They still have no defensive line

which is what their problem has been all along. They had Champ and DJ Williams and some other talent in those group but good god is their front 4 bad.

by Nate Dogg on Apr 2, 2009 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the Bears paid a lot for Cutler

2 first rounders? But then again, they’ve been needing a good QB for the longest time. With that defense, I could easily see them winning Super Bowl because of this. Who gets the better deal will come down to who the Broncos select with their picks, but this also sets them back a few years to being competitive.

by B.B.Finnegan on Apr 2, 2009 4:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Denver just got screwed.

Chicago kicked some ass.

by Wilder. on Apr 2, 2009 4:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

So basically

If Cutler goes down, the Bears, at the moment, would turn to Rex Grossman.

They had every chance to get rid of that stiff and instead traded Orton.

SSR's NFL Fun Fact: Andy Reid is the only coach in the league who uses the pass to set up the pass.

by SSreporters on Apr 2, 2009 4:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

oh that's right

pretty sure the bears were say he wasn’t coming back this time around as well

by B.B.Finnegan on Apr 2, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

By the way, the Bears play at Qwest this year

Time to bring the pain, Mebane.

SSR's NFL Fun Fact: Andy Reid is the only coach in the league who uses the pass to set up the pass.

by SSreporters on Apr 2, 2009 4:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This Heater Allen is not bad

The ‘Le Freak’ was…interesting.

by John Morgan on Apr 2, 2009 4:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think Orton is awful

and I think the relative talent of the Bears and Broncos will pull Cutler and Orton’s performance closer than some would expect, but I think as long as Chicago builds around Cutler, the potential is huge.

by John Morgan on Apr 2, 2009 5:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Orton is actually pretty decent.

Which is why I question this trade. Cutler is good, but why trade so much away? Orton could be good if he had an offensive line and wide receivers

It's great to be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Apr 2, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's better than about 10 of the starting quarterbacks in the league

Which isn’t saying a lot I guess but he should be a decent stop gap while they find a new QB.

by Nate Dogg on Apr 2, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bears also just picked up Orlando Pace

So he can play for two games and then go on injured reserve. If the Bears were smart they’d sit him the whole season and then use him for the playoffs.

by B.B.Finnegan on Apr 2, 2009 5:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Pace at right tackle?

I think the Bears are doing something this offseason. If only football wasn’t so much chance.

by John Morgan on Apr 2, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reads like they plan to use him as their starting left tackle

per nfl.com


http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80f93e0f&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Doesn’t look like they have anybody else on that side. It’s a gamble that’s for sure, if it pays off it could pay off huge, but if it doesn’t they better have a backup plan.

by B.B.Finnegan on Apr 2, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WOW

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 2, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder if they will Select Sanchez if available at 18.

Or, if that they think he’ll be there. More likely is that Orton will lock it down in theory for McDaniels, ala Cassell, as mentioned above.

by Misfit74 on Apr 2, 2009 5:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If he's not there at 18

Denver could get him at 14. They have both those picks this year.

by J.L. White on Apr 2, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

::Takes off monocle::

My GOD!

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 2, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

supplemental income?

Remember who I am because I’ll want a freebee in a large. Go make like 10000 of these and sell them before the games. You’ll make a killing!

Absolutely Freakin’ Hallarious!

by hawkfanjp on Apr 2, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mayock is saying he thinks Sanchez is perfect for Denver

and with all the picks they have should be trading up to ensure they get him. Unfortunately, if they think Seattle may take him at 4, they’ll be looking to trade to 3. Frankly, I think that’s too high and they won’t do that. IF we trade with Oakland, so they can get to Curry or Crabtree, then we’d be sitting right in front of Jacksonville and might be in a position to trade down with Denver. Likewise, at 12 we might be in position to trade down with Jets at 17 so they can take Freeman in front of the Jets. I’m assuming Tampa Bay will try to jump in front of the Jets, so Jets proactively need to jump to 12 where Tampa doesn’t have the picks (no 2nd rounder) to make that happen. So that’s my new fantasy draft order. Pick up 3 high 3rd round picks from Oakland, Denver and Jets for trading down to 17, then use 2 of those to trade back into another mid 2nd rounder. We wind up with 17, 37, 50’ish, 68 and 71 in the first 3 rounds. That would be a nice start to rebuilding.

by diehard82 on Apr 2, 2009 5:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think we should be trading down to picks with better value

I can’t think of a player at 4 that will make sense at the requisite salary.

by diehard82 on Apr 2, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

PDSD

pre-draft stress disorder.

by B.B.Finnegan on Apr 2, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

what would be funny is if we had philadelphia's two lower picks

i wonder how many people would be all “trade up! trade up! get a star!”

by B.B.Finnegan on Apr 2, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i know

just sayin there’d probably be an equal amount of other people saying just the opposite. I’m fine with what we got, having basically your pick of the entire draft is rather exciting to me (of that could change, depending on who we select.)

by B.B.Finnegan on Apr 2, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sanchez to Denver makes sense

for various reasons, but I can’t help but wonder if 1) he’ll be there at 18 [you mentioned a trade-up, which I could see], or 2) they might not be content w/ Orton for the next couple of seasons in a win now w/ experience QB mentality?

by Misfit74 on Apr 2, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not saying it's likely that it happens.

And in fact, I believe it would be foolhardy to think that. That doesn’t McDaniels doesn’t have that mentality, though.

by Misfit74 on Apr 2, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Next Season

Is also looking like a good QB draft class. Orton for 1-2 years and make a move if necessary for one of next years blue chip QBs.

by Azimeir on Apr 3, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Denver has Orton, Chris Simms, and Darrell Hackney

Just laughable how badly they screwed up a good thing.

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by SSreporters on Apr 2, 2009 5:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe they can get Herschel Walker to do color commentary

--Shrug
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by Shrug on Apr 3, 2009 2:11 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Good.

I’ve not had.

by John Morgan on Apr 2, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brett no pleased with you mock of John Morgan. Use club now.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Apr 2, 2009 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

lolwut

Yesterday's Pants
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by BrettJMiller on Apr 2, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 2, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok honestly this is creeping me out...

If i ever become a horror film director – that shit is going in. Including Big Phil

by Communick on Apr 3, 2009 2:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

YESSSSSSSSS

YES YES YES YES YES YES

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 2, 2009 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is a good test

Young quarterback traded in his prime. System, surrounding talent or innate ability?

by John Morgan on Apr 2, 2009 5:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

use the reply button please

man, i always wanted to say that to someone

by B.B.Finnegan on Apr 2, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably

I’m about five sheets to the wind right now, so it’s amazing I can communicate at all.

by John Morgan on Apr 2, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It will be very interesting though, in terms of surrounding offensive talent

Denver is in much better shape then Chicago. It’ll be interesting to see how it unfolds next season.

by B.B.Finnegan on Apr 2, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly what I'm thinking

I like Cutler, I really warmed up to the idea of him as a possibility for Seattle. But one reason why is because I thought he’d be switching between similar systems and surrounded by comparable O talent.

That said, I do have some misgivings about the guy, and a nagging suspicion that some of the great #’s he put up in DEN were “hollow”, for lack of a better term.

Seeing him go to the Bears will be a good test of how those numbers translate and just how much a QB elevates the play of those around him or vice versa.

Of course, if he fails the MSM storyline will be because he’s an emo pussy who doesn’t have the machismo to be a leader of men.

by jteckmann on Apr 2, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

He excelled in adjusted metrics though

so the hollow numbers argument is pretty hollow itself.

by Nate Dogg on Apr 2, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

well then it'll be doubly interesting

now we might also see how well those adjusted metrics meet reality

by B.B.Finnegan on Apr 2, 2009 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Football is so team dependent

Quarterbacks in their prime are rarely traded, so seeing how Cutler does is interesting if not necessarily definitive.

by John Morgan on Apr 2, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait, so Orton was traded to the Donkeys too?

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 2, 2009 5:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 2, 2009 6:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

HI MOM!

NEEDS MORE FREEDOM!

by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 2, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I knew it.

I just knew it.

It was going to be a Joey Galloway type of trade. Basically two 1st round picks (cut including a third rounder) for Cutler and (and a 5th rounder) .

Weez the juice!!

by Carl Shinyama on Apr 2, 2009 6:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

yea pretty much

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 2, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather reserve judgment.

But that’s just me.

Weez the juice!!

by Carl Shinyama on Apr 2, 2009 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man, I hated that movie.

Call me shallow.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 2, 2009 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ten bucks says he did the "see who's calling, then don't pick up" thing the entire time
Josh McDaniels to reach Cutler for the past 10 days were “unsuccessful.”

10 days goes beyond accidental missed phone calls…

by Ezzra on Apr 3, 2009 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

S.O.P. for any player leaving town

“I love this town fans are great will always have fond memories I wanted to finish my career here” etc etc etc.

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by Shrug on Apr 3, 2009 2:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Will McDaniels run a zone blocking scheme like Mike Shanahan did?

I say this because that offense as we all know was based a lot on run – and the ability to just plug and play any old runningback. It was often the reason for Denver’s offensive success, albeit not last year considering the Seahawkesque injuries they sustained at runningback so Cutler had to carry the team. I do not believe Orton is even near Cutler in talent and same with Chris Simms so I would assume a strong running game would be essential to continue their ongoing success. The Broncos would have been nowhere near in the running for a playoff spot if it hadnt been for Cutler carrying the team on his shoulders. The defense was abysmal and with such a garbage defense like that/Orton’s game managing ways it should be important to sustain long drives which of course is done best with a solid running game. Anyways back to my original point. If McDaniels switches it up to a man to man scheme would the runningbacks and more importantly the offensive line be the right personel to run his new scheme? Did he keep the same offensive line coach? What kind of background does offensive coordinator Mike McCoy have? I believe it was LantermanC who said theres a chance of them going 8-8 with the right pickups on defense. I agree. If Josh McDaniels can prove hes really the offensive genius hes been praised to be (grooming Matt Cassel for one thing) and can keep the offense in at least the top 10 with some good additions on defense I see no problem of them going at least 8-8. One last thing I would like to note – they are switching to a 3-4 defense as well which I can’t imagine is necessarily an easy transition especially considering they have no nose tackle and have been drafting defensive ends for a 4-3 formation. Well now actually after writing that – unless Orton is the Broncos version of Cassel or somehow even close to Cutler the Broncos are fucked. No defense. I repeat the Broncos are fucked.

by Communick on Apr 2, 2009 9:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

::Crushed by the wall o' text::

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 2, 2009 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

HA!

Well that wasnt the point when I first started writing, I just came to the conclusion throughout my ‘meaty block of text…’

by Communick on Apr 2, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I went back and read it..

I saw you worked your way up to that crescendo…. the gears started turning and all of a sudden… HEY wait a cotton pickin minute….the Broncos are fucked!

by iverson2169 on Apr 2, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I told my friend who's a big Bronco's fan the Cutler news.

He greeted it with throwing his hands up in the air and saying, “Go Nuggets!”

by Fear on Apr 2, 2009 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could have sworn this thread vanished around a couple of hours ago.

Now it’s suddenly here again!

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 2, 2009 10:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I dropped it for a little while.

I seemed like people were turning on each other and I was in no condition to moderate. Maybe I overreacted, but after a few minutes it seemed the tension dissipated.

by John Morgan on Apr 3, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh?

I didn’t see any arguing or the like going on, but who knows.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 3, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 3, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 3, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nate had a moment... but it wasn't to serious

SO john… “no condition to moderate” means “one to many of those tasty ales” you were talking about? ;)

by iverson2169 on Apr 3, 2009 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 3, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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