Assessing the Seahawks' Need at Center
+Round-by-round picks
Center
Strengths: Athleticism, power, talent
Weaknesses: Technique, awareness, contract
In Brief: Tim Ruskell started his dynasty construction with an all-talent project pick. Take that stereotypes! The layman's view of Spencer is that he sucks. He doesn't. Spencer's early career supports the idea that a prospect's potential is capped not just by his athleticism, but by his skills. Spencer's mistakes tend to reverberate. He also might be injury prone. This and Mike Holmgren's published scorn has made Spencer a bit of a lightning rod. Spencer has become the face of a failed offensive line.
That's all a bit trumped up. Before being shutdown after week 12, Spencer had started 44 consecutive games including the playoffs. And I think "shutdown" is the proper word, because had Seattle been in contention, I think Spencer could have played. In his last two seasons, 27 regular season games, Spencer has only been penalized four times, including just one hold, and has allowed just three sacks. Seattle drafted Spencer for his future, and he's made clear and steady improvement. No player should benefit as much from a zone blocking system. Watch this draft. Seattle has something of a backup center in Steve Vallos, and Mansfield Wrotto sometimes sees practice snaps, so there's some kind of depth. If Seattle selects a high profile center, it's moving on, and though I've before stated this might be eventual, the more I think about it, the less I like it. I wouldn't pay Jason Brown money for Spencer, but then no team before the Browns ever had for a center, but I wouldn't balk at Andre Gurode money. Nor would Spencer's agent. And instead of nurturing a high-talent pick through his growing pains and giving up prematurely, Seattle could get the best of Spencer, a best that could still be All-Pro good.
Round-by-round picks
1. Alex Mack: Centers are not often taken in the first, so don't be surprised if Mack makes it to Seattle in the second. Center is no longer the resort of failed guards. Complex blitzes and dominant nose tackles have put a premium on true centers. Regardless, Mack isn't a great fit for Seattle. He's a step below Spencer in pop and agility, and his best skills, line reads and pre-snap awareness, would be squandered in a zone system. Some team is going to draft Mack and be happy, but I doubt that team is Seattle. Too much. Too early.
2. Eric Wood: Wood has a wide frame that screams real power. He's a good blocker in space, but not super agile. His pass-blocking is suspect. I'm not sure Wood wouldn't make a better guard. I'm less concerned about his ability to pull out and assist on the second level as his ability to retreat and engage free defenders inside the pocket. He has lots of the markings of a Tim Ruskell pick, from character to experience, but not a Tim Ruskell line pick. He's a technical blocker that's got good power, but not great athleticism or versatile power. The latter meaning: he can lay a pop but only when squared. Wood like Mack is very polished.
3. Antoine Caldwell: My favorite center in this class, the only one I would really be excited for Seattle to draft, and I think the best talent in his class, Caldwell is a good fit for what Seattle is attempting, complaints about athleticism be damned. See, Caldwell is slow on the track, at the Combine he made bending look like a chore, but he has great footwork and takes precise angles, making his on-field agility more than functional, but good. Caldwell gets under defenders and delivers a jolt. It's that use of leverage the really separates Caldwell from other centers in his class. He's the one center I've seen that can consistently jar defenders, off the snap and on the move.
4. Jonathan Luigs: A workmanlike center, rounded but not flashy, Luigs is a good example of the center talent available even in the mid-rounds. The big knock on Luigs is he doesn't pop, and in that sense, he's a lot like Max Unger: Big guys that move well and are competent in most ways, but won't power the interior rushing attack. Luigs has a wide frame and solid skills, and should stick in the league.
One more guy for the road...
Blake Sclueter: I haven't had a chance to watch him, but he's received some good pub.
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And I thought I was a Spencer optimist
most gleaming endorsement I’ve read in ages. Yeah, this fortifies my belief that he’ll remain decent and improve quite a bit.
What about A.Q. Shipley?
Never seen him play but that’s a cool name.
“and has allowed just three sacks.”
Is that true? Because sometimes Spencer seems as dumb as a post when it comes to pass-protection. In the Buffalo game alone there was that painfully slow stunt by Aaron Schobel that even I saw coming a mile away that yielded a sack and his inability to adjust a linecall on that one by Kawika Mitchell between him and Mike Wahle. Not to mention I’ve seen him trip over his own feet trying to get out on screens or run-blocks on the outside edge.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
Nothing personal, John...
But this is silly. “The layman’s view of Spencer is that he sucks”? The layman doesn’t care about offensive lines.
Reality? Spencer’s a supremely talented physical specimen, and he’s nowhere near mentally capable enough to handle line signals. The line’s success fluctuates with the loss of Robbie Tobeck, not with the loss of Steve Hutchinson. For centers, being able to handle the line calls and ‘quarterback’ the line is supremely important. Spencer just can’t hack it. Maybe he can play guard, but he’s not an NFL Center.
Yeah I gotta be honest...
My perceptions of Spencer have been built more through media and reading fan posts than actual tape analysis. Very good “call” Nate. I would like to know as well.
Where does this preconceived notion of Spencer’s aptitude come from? The predominant public sentiment would have us liken talent to a massive fortress built from balsa wood.
Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.
See: My first comment.
I don’t know if that’s an accurate way to judge, but it sure seems like he really isn’t reading defenses correctly.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 21, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I get that he doesn't always make the right read
But thats a lot different than “he’s nowhere near mentally capable enough to handle line signals”.
Absolutely right Nate... now...
A guy like Ryan Leaf was nowhere near capable of making the right calls.
To me it seems allot of Spencer’ perceived inability to make the right calls has a great deal to do with the lack of O-line continuity. I mean, how do we know that he didn’t make the right calls in many of those occasions, yet the revolving OL door around him picked the calls up wrong?
Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.
by iverson2169 on Apr 22, 2009 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Anything to support this?
Seattle’s line was terrible in 2001 and Tobeck started all season. It was also terrible in the eight games Tobeck started in 2006.
I doubt there is John... do you think...
… that the public sentiment for Spencer comes from a misinformed notion that he was being drafted to be the next Dwight Stephenson immediately?
The scouting I read on Spencer seemed to fall consistently from “he was raw but had an athletic ceiling like no other in the last decade”, to “although unpolished his athleticism would allow him to slide to guard if he didn’t pan out”.
Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.
You know
I was typing a long post about the difference in rushing yards between spencer and tobeck, and the difference in sacks allowed. Spencer had 197 more yards, and allowed 6 fewer sacks. So looking for a common denominator,
Spencer allowed 26 fewer yards against Arizona and the same amount of sacks. But Tobeck also had 7 more carries to call the line block for in this game.
Against Chicago, Tobeck blocked for 77 yards, 5 sacks. Spencer for 117. 40 more yards, allowing 3 sacks. Although there’s also the difference of Shaun Alexander in the games.
I also had the difference in sacks allowed by defensive tackles which Tobeck could be blocking, but I pressed the back button on the browser and i lost it and it’s not particularly something I want to look up again. Is this evidence? Probably not, but hey, it’s something we have to look at.
by Trepidation on Apr 21, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Do note
This doesn’t take into account who called the line calls. I heard on the tv that Matt Hasselbeck did some calls, I also heard that it was too much responsibility for him to be QB, so Spencer consulted with Walter Jones and Chris Gray while walking to the line.
It also doesn’t take account who else was on the line, what QB was playing, or what RB was playing, so this is very arbitrary, and almost completely useless.
Where did you get the stats?
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 22, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions

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