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Assessing the Seahawks' Need at Fullback

Fullback

Strengths: Run blocking

Weaknesses: Pass blocking, depth, experience

In Brief: Of course, inexperience isn't a weakness in of itself, but in Owen Schmitt's case, it's indicative of a host of weaknesses. Schmitt might never make much of a receiver. He's stiff-hipped, and though he was effective in college, he could hit a wall in the pros. Until I see him effectively redirect, I do not believe his receiving skills will translate. Schmitt has yet to learn how to pass block from the fullback spot. He doesn't identify the free man and doesn't meet him with any force. Schmitt might not make much of a rusher. He moves one direction hard and may effectively tackle himself by running into the pile. Schmitt does not execute plays well.

Hopefully he will be another beneficiary of Seattle's zone system. What Schmitt does do, for sure does do, is create havoc with his run blocks. He's a highlight reel run blocker that cascades defenders with his hits. The simpler the system and freer Schmitt is to pick a target and attack, the better he will play.

The problem is, that's just one part of playing fullback. Seattle is desperate for depth at the position, and having yet to sign Justin Griffith, is clearly looking to the draft to acquire it. Brannan Southerland and Quinn Johnson likely top Seattle's list, but the team might simply see who falls. It's not drafting a starting fullback, but a potential starting fullback, and though fullback is a major player in Greg Knapp's offense, the league-wide demand is small, and Seattle shouldn't have to stretch to get their guy.

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Southerland or Griffith would be great depth.

But holy cow I’m going to miss Weave stonewalling free blitzers.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 21, 2009 4:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Assuming your analysis is correct John (and it appears spot on)...

What does that say about the breakdown in communications with Weaver (or possibly more importantly Weavers agent)?

There must have been a canyon sized gap between the perceptions of his market value for us not to really even engage contract talks (“not really engage” may be a tad dramatic, but I didn’t appear like serious efforts were made relative to the fact that we are sitting with Schmitt as our starting FB as of now).

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by iverson2169 on Apr 21, 2009 7:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Weaver wasn't the blocker Seattle needed

Seattle needs a pass blocker and run blocker, and Weaver is a only a pass blocker and Schmitt is only a run blocker.

by John Morgan on Apr 21, 2009 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ok then.... you bring up a good point.

How does a zone blocking FB’s responsibilities differ from those of a man blocking scheme?

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by iverson2169 on Apr 21, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would also like to know the answer to this.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 21, 2009 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

It depends a bit

mostly, the fullback just needs to know where to go. Since the hole isn’t defined, the fullback will need to read the defense and pick the right player to block.

by John Morgan on Apr 22, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Am I reading you right John?

That Weaver was a decent run blocking decision maker but just wasn’t all that effective as a in terms of driving men out of the intended holes?

If so…

Wouldn’t Weaver’s ability to “make the right choice” and simply be able to get a hat on someone raise his value more in a ZB scheme, than his skill set in a more traditional man on scheme? My understanding of the ZB is that a block can be effective even if the block is really more of an impedance.

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by iverson2169 on Apr 22, 2009 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

On a 1 to 10 scale then.

How bad is Schmitt’s pass blocking?
And how bad is Weaver’s run blocking?

by LantermanC on Apr 22, 2009 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Purple

I’m not sure I could put it on an objective scale without making a mockery of said scale, but Schmitt could be a good pass blocker he just needs more time playing a true fullback position. Schmitt’s is an awareness problem. Weaver is an ineffectual run blocker. Some runs stopped where linebackers and defensive backs stacked him, others Weaver would engage but not create push.

by John Morgan on Apr 22, 2009 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is about right.

Schmitt didn’t seem like he had particular trouble when actually engaged (see: Eagles game where he stonewalled free blitzing linebacker [Stewart Bradley?] on Koren’s 90 yard TD), but had some issues recognizing them (Arizona game at home where he ran a route right by untouched blitzer Adrian Wilson)

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 22, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

You sure that wasn't John Carlson?

I remember seeing Carlson blow a block, turn around to signal his availability to catch, and watch as Seneca just got utterly pounded

by Nick Andron on Apr 23, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, I'm sure that particular play it was Schmitt.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 23, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would have to argue that Schmitt in time will be a better fullback for us than Weaver

He may not be able to be a dump off receiver that weave was but I think this kid could defianately be an effectual pass blocker. He is a smart player not the pounding meathead some have protrayed him to be. He is tough and has a nastiness that our offense has needed for some years now.

by Seahawk Bob on Apr 22, 2009 10:32 AM PDT reply actions  

That's what I'd rather have

I’d rather have a FB that’s very effective at fullback essentials: run and pass blocking.

Weave’s receiver abilities were nice, but it was at the expense of absolute terrible run blocking (or rather, the expense of having a true FB that can effectively run block).

We don’t have phenomenal running backs. We need eek the most effectiveness out of our OL and FBs so they can succeed, otherwise we’ll end up with the effectiveness we had last year. Very little.

by Nick Andron on Apr 22, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

3rd down

we don’t need a fullback in on third down. We need a pass catching RB in on third down. Schmitt will learn how to figure it out. Its not like he got any practice picking up blitzers in college. Julius Jones and Duckett can figure out how to be the third down back. Maybe they’ll even have some company.

by Section 128 on Apr 22, 2009 11:02 AM PDT reply actions  

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