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Doug's Mock -- And in the first round...

FILE - In this Feb. 23, 2009 file photo, Wake Forest linebacker Aaron Curry runs a drill at the NFL football scouting combine in Indianapolis. Curry is a top prospect in the 2009 NFL Draft. (AP Photo/Darron Cummings, File)

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9 months ago: FILE - In this Feb. 23, 2009 file photo, Wake Forest linebacker Aaron Curry runs a drill at the NFL football scouting combine in Indianapolis. Curry is a top prospect in the 2009 NFL Draft. (AP Photo/Darron Cummings, File)

I'm going to do a Seahawks mock in stages over the next day or so between projects as time permits. When it comes to the later rounds, I might list 2 or 3 guys I think might be in the wheelhouse, and pick a winner at the end. But in the first round, I think there will be a veritable tornado (or, in Dennis Miller's words, a "torcano") of activity around Seattle's fourth pick, and I think this activity will lead to an inevitability.

This is the highest draft pick Tim Ruskell hopes he ever has, and it's his legacy on the line now. He's into safety - he traded for Deion Branch because he was concerned about the bust rate for receivers. His love of multi-year starters from big schools is well-known. In his heart, Ruskell has to know that when it comes to player eval, he's operating at a deficit on the offensive side of the ball. What he needs with that fourth overall pick is a guy at a position he evaluates very well, with no real downside, that everyone in Seattle will fall in love with at first sight.

Star-divide

First Round (4) - Aaron Curry, SLB, Wake Forest.

If there's one thing we know about Tim Ruskell, it's that he doesn't appreciate protracted contract issues, especially when they're made public. When Darrell Jackson and Bobby Engram voiced displeasure with their financial situations, they were unceremoniously dumped. Leroy Hill's a slightly different breed of cat, being a Ruskell pick and in his prime and all, but that fact that he turned down a (six-year, $36 million) deal on top of his "Asleep at the Wheel" episode has me thinking that the Seahawks might be seriously looking at moving Hill in a draft day trade. I have absolutely nothing to base this on, and I want to make that abundantly clear, but I think that Ruskell could be moved with the right offer on a Hill departure.

Curry will be there at 4 for one reason - because the Chiefs are moving to a 3-4. Admittedly, it's a very creative 3-4 with Clancy Pendergast in charge, but I find it tough to believe that Scott Pioli would pull the trigger on a guy who would probably play ILB in his defense. What the Chiefs want is DeMarcus Ware, but he isn't in this draft. What they REALLY want is to trade down, and they might be able to do so if they hold something shiny up long enough to distract Dan Snyder. And if Snyder does move up to 3, he ain't taking Aaron Curry. He's taking Mark Sanchez and trading Jason Campbell.

Curry will fit the new Alleged West Coast Defense like a glove. He's a menace in any direction, and he is absolutely as advertised when it comes to character. He played 98 percent SLB at Wake, but can make the occasional move as a rush end in a 3-man front. He might be Julian Peterson. The Seahawks would "settle" for Derrick Brooks.

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I don't really want Curry because I feel like we could get depth at later pick

and because I don’t want to pay a LB that much money, and because I’m ok with Lewis and Herring. That being said, It would be hard to be overly upset at drafting this guy just because it seems like he’ll go to a few pro bowls in his career, won’t have any run ins with the law, etc. The LBs that get paid the big money are usually Merriman type blitzers or Ray Lewis do-everything LBs, neither of which fit Curry’s description, but I think Curry will be a valuable asset. I just would rather shore up another area of concern.

by LantermanC on Apr 23, 2009 11:45 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I know that Ruskell gets all the credit and blame for these picks

but I think Mora and Knapp will also be heavily involved in the decision. Maybe it’s wishful thinking, but I just don’t see them picking a defensive player or a linebacker at #4.

Drafting Curry and trading Hill makes some sense, depending on what they get for Hill. And if Curry’s still there, which is no guarantee. And what would we gain really? Even if they get a mid 1st pick, they basically end up with a wash at linebacker (or would Curry cost more at #4 then hill?) and a lower valued offensive playmaker, vs Hill and perhaps the top offensive playmaker of the draft.

by B.B.Finnegan on Apr 23, 2009 11:57 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Except if all Hill gets is a 3rd rounder?

We got lucky with him and he panned out to a success, and now all we get is what we paid to get him? Though I suppose that discounts the past 4 or so years where he was a good value at below market value.

by LantermanC on Apr 23, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You hit something I've been thinking:

With all the talk of the ‘Hawks wanting to trade down (and admittedly, it’s difficult), the Chiefs have way more incentive to get out of their pick: none of their needs line up with the available talent and they already lost their second round pick in the Cassel trade. I think it’s possible that a team looking to move up could get the same deal done for #3 as they could for #4, which reduces the trade value of #4 even further than it already was in this apparently weak draft.

Anyway, Curry. Maybe not the splash I’d want to make, but I could live with it. It’s not the most valuable position on the field, but he’s a three-down player and from day one you’re upgrading a vacant spot on the chart to a plus, with a nice chance to turn into a big gold star or a smiley face or a skull and crossbones or whatever coaches draw on depth charts when they’re really happy.

by busplunger on Apr 23, 2009 12:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

There is one thing in our favor, however

and that is that a #4 pick would be slightly cheaper than the cost of signing a #3 pick. If Player X is going to be available at either #3 or #4, Team Y would be smart to deal with the team with the #4 pick. The only benefit of trading for #3 (or higher) is to make gosh-darn sure you get Player X.

by J.L. White on Apr 23, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention...

That it takes you farther away from fair value in terms of the trade value chart. Teams would have to give up a bit more for #3 than #4.

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by iverson2169 on Apr 23, 2009 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, that was exactly my original point

I’m not sure they would have to give up more. The existing chart is obsolete in terms of the top 5 or 10 picks (due to overinflated contracts near the top), and if KC is more inclined/desperate to unload their pick than Seattle is, then they might auction it off for the same deal that Seattle is willing to take at #4. Maybe even less, who knows.

J.L. is correct in that if you knew you could get the player you wanted at either spot, then you’d rather have number four because the contract will be cheaper. Which, in a weird way, maybe adds to the idea that KC is more likely to want to trade out of their slot: if the talent at #3 and #4 is really equal, then #3 is less valuable because it costs more. Therefore, in theory — and probably only in theory — it would cost less in trade to acquire #3.

by busplunger on Apr 24, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's what I think too...

There is next to know way to get “value” out of this pick in this draft, assuming that everything goes to form, other than by choosing Curry.

Stafford probably has the highest ceiling, but…
a) he’s almost certainly headed to Detroit at this point
b) even if he is on the board at #4 there’s some non-trivial bust potential (it’s not JaMarcus Russell bust potential, but still)
b) Stafford cannot even begin to payoff for another couple of seasons, barring disaster to Hass and Seneca Wallace (not the biggest deal in the world, but still)

Sanchez just isn’t gonna happen. I like John’s take. It’s what we don’t know about him yet that makes him an enormous gamble. I like the 30 starts heuristic. I need to see a guy make adjustments after DCs have figured out his kryptonite.

None of the tackles is worth that kind of money.

Crabtree, I think, is the only other possibility. He has the talent to warrant selection at #4 but Ruskell would really need to make some other roster moves (perhaps not immediately) for Crabtree to really payoff. And then, the bust rate on receivers is high. If he does indeed fail, it’ll be because of his speed. You know that going in with Crabtree.

The only real knock on Curry is that his position isn’t that valuable. Linebackers are like the first basemen of football. The difference in quality between two comparable LBs, where one is the absolute best and the other is just replacement level probably barely registers in any aggregate sense. It almost cannot. Hell, DeMeco Ryans might be the best LB in the league right now and the Texans still blow on D.

Well, when you’re very uncertain about return on investment it’s smart to minimize your downside risk. Curry does that. There is little reason to believe he won’t play well from day one. You might be able to get a higher impact player, but not without incorporating a ton of risk.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Apr 23, 2009 12:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Very good thought process, Doug

I still think we’re getting Sanchez, but this pick was as well thought out if not more than any other prognostication on 1.04 that I’ve come across. Better reasoning than I have for us taking Sanchez.

by jacobstevens on Apr 23, 2009 12:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm
he’s operating at a deficit on the offensive side of the ball

And then …

First Round (4) – Aaron Curry, SLB, Wake Forest.

= profit???

by Nick Andron on Apr 23, 2009 12:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Here's the full quote...

“When it comes to player eval, he’s operating at a deficit on the offensive side of the ball…”

That’s a nice way of saying that Tim Ruskell is probably not the guy you’d want building your offense if you had other choices.

by Doug Farrar on Apr 23, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oooh, I see.

Thanks for the clarification. Speed reading has it’s detriments D:

You’re certainly right in that respect.

by Nick Andron on Apr 23, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chiefs just traded Gonzalez

and now have a higher chance of selecting Crabtree…

by B.B.Finnegan on Apr 23, 2009 12:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Very true.

btw … I know he’s old … but a 2010 2nd rounder?

by Nick Andron on Apr 23, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would love Curry.

The big knock on Curry is his lack of sacks. But how many tackles in the backfield did he have?

by Tyopiod on Apr 23, 2009 12:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yay, someone else thinks Hill could be traded.

I would take a higher 3rd for Hill in a heartbeat. I don’t think he wants to be here, and he’s going to cost us a lot of money for a position that really doesn’t warrant the cost. Like John said once, LB’s are somewhat like RB’s – largely replaceable and not as important as the lines in front of them.

Dealing Hill would make drafting Curry more palatable in my mind.

by djafrot on Apr 23, 2009 12:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hill is more far more valuable to us than a 3rd rounder.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 23, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd trade him for a 3rd.

My theory, and I don’t know how true it is, is that a player is only worth something if he is underpaid or undervalued. Well, now that Hill is franchised and demands a long term contract, he is supposedly at market value. Whomever we get with the 3rd rounder will probably (assuming Ruskell drafts a LB and has an ‘eye’ for mid round LB talent) be underpaid because that is how the rookie system is set up. I actually like our LB depth right now anyways, and if we had Curry, then Hill would be a tradeable asset. Who knows, maybe Hill is worth more to a contending team who wants a LB that can blitz, and if he is, maybe he’ll net us the 50th overall pick and maybe we can draft Chung with that pick.

by LantermanC on Apr 23, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd do it even if we didn't get Curry.

Sacriledge, I know.

But honestly, should we use #4 for something else, that’s another need that won’t be, uh, “needed” with our #2, #3, #3, #4 picks… surely in one of which we can find another linebacker.

by djafrot on Apr 23, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No way

just because Ruskell has found some good linebackers in the draft does not mean that everything he touches turns into gold. I expect a huge year out of Leroy now since Julian is gone and he can return to our primary blitzing linebacker. Linebacker has been our strong point on D over the past 3 years and now people want us to get rid of 2 of our best?

by gohawks89 on Apr 23, 2009 1:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

strong point on a disappointing unit...

maybe its time to make another element (d-line? secondary?) our strong point?

by cro-mag! on Apr 23, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Drafting for (gasp) need

I think Ruskell’s established that he doesn’t feel obliged to follow CW when it comes to player evaluation, which lends credence to John Morgan’s comment yesterday that the Seahawks might go ahead with Malcom Jenkins at #4. I’m starting to think that might be more likely than Curry, despite what most draft boards say about those players’ respective value, because I understand Ruskell’s comment that “we have needs (but not priorities)” as code for “we might draft for need.” If you can’t trade down, and no one’s “worth” the #4, and you “have needs,” it seems like you go for the player deemed most likely to improve the imperfect team you’ve got, right away.

I don’t buy the idea, though, that the team doesn’t have priorities. That’s ridiculous. I think at this point, you have to look at the secondary as the Seahawks’ achilles’ heel on the defensive side of the ball, so I think that makes Jenkins the most likely pick if they decide to draft for defense in the first round. It’s partly an Occam’s razor thing: why keep Hill if you don’t want to keep him, and why trade Peterson if you think you’re just going to have to replace him? I don’t think they’re too worried about LB. I can see Ruskell going with a “secondary by committee” approach that’s loaded up with lots of versatile athletes. Jenkins would be like having Super Babs (hopefully not another confused, out-of-position project as we had with Boulware). If Jennings comes on, or if Josh Wilson proves capable enough to take over as a starter, great: Jenkins takes over for Brian Russell, except maybe in games against teams with bigger receivers, in which case he slides over to CB. If CB remains a liability, then maybe Jenkins plays there more of the time. On the offensive side of the ball, I think they do recognize that we need more continuity on the line. Versatility is great, but constantly switching assignments is no recipe for good chemistry. I would like to see Monroe or Jason Smith come in and shore things up, but if we take Ruskell at his word that he thinks he can find suitable, high-quality proxies later on in the draft, then I think Michael Crabtree is the Seahawks’ most likely option if they prioritize offense. Last season, the liabilities on the offensive line were greatly increased by the lack of reliable targets for our QBs. An aerial arsenal that includes Crabtree in addition to Houshmandzadeh, Branch, and Carlson can probably do just as much as any single lineman could do to help our running game and (I hope) keep players’ mitts off Matt. (A superb pass-blocking FB becomes paramount in this scenario, though.) I leave Burleson off that list because, unlike the others, he hasn’t been a disciplined-enough route-runner to reliably help the QB get the ball out of his hands. (Incidentally, this fact should put the kebosh on any of the speculation that Maclin could be the guy.) The rest of our top WRs are very good at this, but their age/injury issues are scary. Crabtree runs great routes AND makes defenses think about his homerun potential. I think Crabtree is the most likely, therefore, to bring synergistic benefits to the offense as a whole.

So I think (barring a trade-down) the question at #4 will be between Jenkins and Crabtree. And given the much greater strength of the draft at WR versus S/CB (I’m skeptical about both Chung and Hamlin), I think the edge goes to Jenkins. If this winds up being the case, get ready for a mighty howl of incredulity from draft analysts and the Seahawks fandom at large.

by dagraham on Apr 23, 2009 1:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think jenkins makes sense from the Win Now standpoint.

Good rookie CBs seem to make a big difference on their teams. Look at what DRC did for Arizona this year.

by Tyopiod on Apr 23, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Contrastly, look at what was expected from Antrel Rolle

Injury aside, the 8th overall pick (admittedly the 2nd CB behind Adam Jones) turned into a Safety prompting the team to go corner again three seasons later. Trufant would be 31/32 in Jenkins’ third season.

by Misfit74 on Apr 23, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

K, look at Adam Jones.

Out of the league, wasn’t particularly effective aside from 2006.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 23, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really, really tried to read that, because it sounded good.

But PARAGRAPHS, man!

I’m pretty big on Jenkins, but I doubt we do that at #4. Ruskell needs a good draft, and though Jenkins might be a good pick it won’t LOOK like a good pick for a couple of years.

by djafrot on Apr 23, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Question.

If Jenkins is who we REALLY REALLY want. And no one will give us a 4th rounder to move up, why not just wait until the 8th pick and then select him? 8th pick is arbitrary, I just picked a safe number that would be cheaper, but most likely mean he’s not yet taken.

by LantermanC on Apr 23, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've done some reading about this and it's not feasible.

It sounds like such a great idea. But apparently it doesn’t work because a) you’re risking people jumping in front of you and taking who you want before you get a chance and b) the player’s agent will ask for the money he would have got where he “should” have been picked.

That time when Minny slipped three or four picks, they ended up paying that LT the same amount anyhow. Apparently.

by djafrot on Apr 23, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The thing about Jenkins...

is that while he may be a good talent, it’s unlikely he gets drafted until New Orleans is up to bat. That would be like drafting Knowshon Moreno at #4.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 23, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which is why I said wait until 8

8 still seems a bit early, but I ‘m trying to be conservative. I mean, so what if Jenkins’ agent wants to be paid like a 4, he didn’t get drafted at 4, he got drafted at 8, or 12 or whatever. Brady Quinn wanted to get paid like a top 5 pick. I would’ve laughed in his face and hung up if his agent told me that. Sure perhaps the Browns valued him as a 4th pick, but they didn’t select him there, and no team drafted him him until the 20th pick, so that’s what he should get.

by LantermanC on Apr 23, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're an idealist

It’s not worth it to insult a player before he’s even signed, and that’s how most players would take such a tactic. Better to pay them like a Russian police chief and avoid polonium poisoning the process before it’s started.

by John Morgan on Apr 23, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wish I could edit this...

You can’t laugh in an agent’s face and then hang up on him… unless of course I was talking to him on the phone while he was in my office…

by LantermanC on Apr 23, 2009 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahahaha

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by iverson2169 on Apr 23, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point ..

…I do like Jenkins in the first just rather take him at #13 or #17 with Campbell or Clemons in a package deal.

by hawkfanjp on Apr 24, 2009 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Signed yet?

As far as I know Hill hasn’t signed the tender yet so he can’t be traded, because he’s not officially under contract ( ala Julius Peppers) correct?

by hawkfanjp on Apr 23, 2009 2:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think you're right

but if Hill knows he’s being traded and will be able to negotiate with the new team, I think he’ll sign in a heartbeat.

by diehard82 on Apr 23, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Picking Curry at #4 terrifies me

It means we’d be paying $8.3 million or ~$10 million to a Will LB this year, and that’s not something sustainable so it almost certainly would mean Hill would be on his way out. Maybe Curry is better than Hill, but its practically a lateral move.

Further, Seattle’s defense cratered from lack of pass rush last year. The Seahawks aren’t a tackle-machine LB away from having an elite defense. If Curry was a blue chip pass rusher I’d feel completely different, but he’s more of a Lance Briggs/AJ Hawk type, and that is just not something we really need.

To contrast him with Sanchez or Crabtree, those guys have probably a 50/50 chance of being NFL busts, whereas Curry probably has 10% bust chance- but that lower bust chance kind of becomes meaningless when you can be of little to no value to the team even if you turn into a good player. WR and QB will be big needs in 2 years- if not sooner, and we’re holding a once in a decade type draft pick this weekend.

Even if Ruskell doesn’t like Crabtree or Sanchez, I’d be happier with super-reaches at #4 like Everette Brown or Malcolm Jenkins or Knowshon Moreno than I would be with the “value” pick of Aaron Curry. At least I can see those players having a significant impact without displacing a nearly equivalent player.

Sadly, Ruskell and I never see eye to eye on first round picks, and I have a feeling he blows it and picks Curry.

by kearly on Apr 23, 2009 3:26 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I'd much rather have Lance Briggs than Aaron Curry.

The AJ Hawk comparison is right on.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 23, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Best post I've read here in a while.

Succinctly says what I’ve wanted to say.

by djafrot on Apr 23, 2009 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not so convinced...

If Hill were moved back to his more natural SSLB position, his pass rushing ability negates the loss of Julian, and may be an improvement when you factor that Hill has graded out as more assignment correct. Curry then moves into WSLB where he should be considered an improvement in coverage over Hill and is as solid a tackler as the Hawks would field.

I believe Curry, Lofa, Hill is a net gain over Hill Lofa Peterson.

Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.

by iverson2169 on Apr 23, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For one year sure.

But in 2010, do you keep Hill for a lot of money and pay ~$10 million per for a Weakside LB? Or pay Hill a lot of money and keep him at WSLB where he’s ill-suited?

Curry is not unlike AJ Hawk. Hawk in 3 seasons has consistently averaged about 100 tackles, 2.5 sacks and 1 INT. If you could trade the #4 pick (and a lot of money) and Hill in 2010 for AJ Hawk, would you do it? Because that’s pretty close to the net effect of drafting Curry.

by kearly on Apr 23, 2009 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think...

A. Hill’s negotiations are relevant here. The only way the scenario works is if Hill signs a long-term (effectively reducing his cap hits in the first few years). Should Hill not negotiate, and we choose to walk from him, isn’t having Curry the exact type of versatility we need to NOT be hamstrung into overpaying for Hill?

B. I don’t think AJ Hawk is necessarily a fair comparison. While their game strength’s are comparable, Curry is a better athlete (at minimum a more fluid athlete than Hawk). Also I would point out that the knock on Hawk hasn’t been lack of tackling production (121 tackles), it were the glaring Zeroes next to his name for INT’s and FF’s.

Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.

by iverson2169 on Apr 23, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The point is

You can’t keep both Hill and Curry, unless you want to commit an ungodly amount of money to a tackle machine LB Trio.

Further, non-pass rush OLB’s are easy to find after the first round. Karlos Dansby was a 2nd rounder. Lance Briggs a 3rd rounder. One of the reasons LB is a fungible position is because it is often easy to find LB talent (especially in Ruskell’s case).

So lets say we don’t draft Curry and Hill leaves in 2010 anyway. That’s fine, because you can find solid or even great non-pass rush LB’s later in the draft and also FA.

The Seahawks offense is going to be a smoldering crater in 2 years. I think “an ounce of prevention” applies here. And Seattle does not need Curry anyway. Its a terrible waste.

by kearly on Apr 24, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with this.

Drafting Curry would be one of the most disappointing things in recent memory.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 24, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

First off... I don't believe Curry is the best for us at #4

but I am extremely shocked that the both of you would use phrases like:

“terrible waste”
and
“one of the most disappointing things in recent memory”

…just bizarre editorial to describe one of the greatest LB prospects of this decade.

Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.

by iverson2169 on Apr 24, 2009 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A net gain to our strongest unit by far.

That would still be among the league’s best even if we leave it as it is. Is a minor net gain worth a larger contract than Peterson’s, the fourth pick in the draft (something we likely won’t see for another decade), for a player that we absolutely have almost no need for?

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 23, 2009 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No need for?

…are you looking at this year in a vacuum? What if Hill decides he isn’t going to negotiate with us (a very real possibility)? I seriously doubt Ruskell continues to eat up cap space year after year with a franchise designation (I believe there is a limit of 2 consecutive F-tags anyway).

To proclaim we have almost no need at LB for the next decade seems a bit short-sided.

Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.

by iverson2169 on Apr 23, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's three consecutive tags (see: Big Walt)

If we sign Hill longterm we are virtually set at LB for a really, really long time.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 23, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And even if we're not, there is absolutely no way you can justify drafting another linebacker

with the highest pick we’ve had in ages while our decrepit and fragile offense is dying for help and other parts of the defense need much more help.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 23, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So with this logic....

Should we NOT be able to sign Hill…

DD Lewis
Lofa Tatupu
and… Lance Laury? Hawthorne?

make you comfortable? and enough so that Aaron Curry is an “absolutely no way I can justify drafting him” type of pick?

Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.

by iverson2169 on Apr 24, 2009 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Surely there are linebackers around after the first two rounds, right?

I mean, we got Hill in the third. Herring in the fifth. Hawthorne undrafted.

by djafrot on Apr 24, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was using hyperbole to illustrate how...

over-the-top it is to say that…

“there is absolutely no way I can justify drafting Curry”

Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.

by iverson2169 on Apr 24, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

as for our decrepit and fragile offense...

this years draft value really STARTS in round 2, and is loaded with talent and value even through day 2.

Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.

by iverson2169 on Apr 24, 2009 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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