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One must marvel at the sheer number of use we've gotten out of these twelve pictures.

Football isn't baseball. And if you've played football at any competitive level, you know that beat-up, I-don't-think-I'm-gonna-move-bed-today feeling one gets waking up after a particularly punishing game. That's why when I read about a player hard scrabbling his way up draft boards, doing everything and everything extra to improve his stock, just so he can play in the NFL, I'm not just impressed, I don't just feel affinity, I feel respect and jump their draft stock.

Now, the money given a third round pick like Jeremy Zuttah is significantly more than that given a fifth round pick like Roy Schuening. Zuttah is under contract for about twice as much as Schuening, and perhaps most significantly, Zuttah's signing bonus is about six times as much as Schuening's. So maybe all the hustle is about cashing in, but I just don't believe that about Tyronne Green. He smiled through his 40 for Malk's sakes!

Green is an athletic, attacking former defensive tackle that's a bit inexperienced at guard, but has great potential. That sentence has become so pat a Tim Ruskell algorithm could assemble it. But if you've found something that works, and you're on the eve of fully implementing it, then you've got to go go go. Were this a year back and my last memory of Mansfield Wrotto a preseason of hitches and glitches, I'd never advocate picking Green. Wrotto made some amazing strides and was a competent starter in just his second season. Occasional cluelessness aside, Wrotto was a big, mobile mauler that flashed elite run blocking talent, and if not the skills to be a great pass blocker, at least the potential to be good. He wasn't overmatched. He wasn't bulled into the backfield. He showed some ability to latch on when beat - a bit too much maybe, but he was never embarrassed.

Seattle needs a guard. I was the bugler for the Mike Wahle charge, but after another season ending shoulder injury, Wahle should not be counted on any more than Walter Jones. Tackle takes hierarchal priority over guard, and with Jones already stressing the tackle depth, the team can't count on Ray Willis providing depth at guard. That leaves Rob Sims and Wrotto. Sims himself is recovering from a season ending pectoral injury. That seems like a fluke thing, but a fluke that reminds us how quickly a player can go down. Seattle needs a guard, and short of taking Duke Robinson in the first, they're either going to draft polish or potential, and I'd rather suffer through potential than stopgap with someone like Andy Levitre.

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OT/G options?

Do you feel it’s more important to get a natural OG or with the switch to zone could it be more adventagous to get a lower ranked OT (Andrew Gardner -GT,Andrew Hartline-CM,Dallas Reynolds-BYU,etc.) to plug in at OG and that gives you more versatility along the line as a whole?

by hawkfanjp on Apr 24, 2009 2:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

In a general sense, I'm a big fan of drafting tackles that can downgrade to guard

but I think the team needs a pure guard. I see guard as the number one, heading into 2009 team need.

by John Morgan on Apr 24, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spencer?

So do you feel Spencer will benefit from the switch to zone and last, or do you just think they’ll wait to address that next year?

by hawkfanjp on Apr 24, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Spencer will thrive in a zbs

My only concern is that should he thrive, he’ll price himself out of Seattle.

by John Morgan on Apr 24, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Drafting a center?

Do you think because of that they may draft a center later on and if so who’s an option since Shipley should also go in the fourth, or do I have to wait for the rest of your mock as to not ruin the suprise?

by hawkfanjp on Apr 24, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seattle could still draft a center

but I’d prefer the team see who shakes out into the lower rounds or even sign a free agent. I don’t think center is a position that needs to be developed in-house, and if Seattle is going to develop a center in-house, I think Spencer is still their best bet.

by John Morgan on Apr 24, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great point about tackles that can play guard...

especially in a zbs. Movement is far more valuable than muscle.

Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.

by iverson2169 on Apr 24, 2009 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm guessing that you're not big on Sims, then.

Since you seem to like Wrotto’s potential.

by djafrot on Apr 24, 2009 4:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I like Sims

I just think the team needs more than Sims, Wrotto and Wahle. The only reason I talk about Wrotto’s potential is that Wrotto is a lot like Green, and so if Wrotto has shown good potential after two seasons, that indicates Green is capable of the same.

by John Morgan on Apr 24, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also Wrotto seems more of a fit in a zone system... funny huh?

…how all the rules change with the new system. We may have some gems on or roster that were playing “out of system”.

Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.

by iverson2169 on Apr 24, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just wondering, but WHY?

If you like Sims, and Wrotto, and both are young, why would we bring another guy in?

Not that I think we shouldn’t draft a guard, I’m just looking for details. Do you think Sims might get hurt again? Wrotto might not pan out?

This doesn’t even count Wahle, of course.

by djafrot on Apr 25, 2009 12:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sims might get hurt again, Wrotto might not pan out

and I’m not even counting Wahle, of course.

by John Morgan on Apr 25, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

To go along with the Sims question

It sounds like Green is pretty quick out of his stance and has good agility. If i’m not mistaken those are the knocks on Sims. Although I hate to think about it if Walt is gone next year Lock goes to LT, Willis – RT, Wahle I’ll assume will be gone. Do you see Wrotto at LG and Sims/Green – RG. Also I assume this will be answered by djafrot’s question but does Sims even fit in a zbs or is he just too immobile to get upfield?

by hawkfanjp on Apr 24, 2009 4:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He's not super slow, but he does trip over his own feet

which is kind of worse when you think about it.

by John Morgan on Apr 24, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Full drafts?

Just wondering if you and Doug are doing complete drafts through all of the rounds and the comp picks? Will you be commenting on possible UFA’s after the draft?

by hawkfanjp on Apr 24, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spencer does that too.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 24, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How exactly is Andy Levitre a mere stopgap?

Or did I read that incorrectly and you’re saying that you’d be fine with Levitre if not Green?

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 24, 2009 5:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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