John's Mock -- And in the fifth round...
This is Jeff Rowe:
He is Seattle's current third string quarterback. Mary Lick would argue Rowe is without obstacle to reach his potential. Rowe's potential is debatable, as he's very young and very inexperienced. Seattle acquired him by signing Rowe off Cincinnati's practice squad. He's the kind of prospect people attempting to beat the system always clamor for their team to take, then forget before whining about their stupid GM and his stupid inability to sign a quarterback. Rowe is a sleeper because he's 6'5" and his stats aren't horrendous. Except his sack stats. His sack stats are horrendous, but pocket presence and quick release are totally de-emphasized in the NFL. Skills as out of place as the option pitch. Besides, he's probably grown out of it. Let's see...Rowe has...42 preseason pass attempts, and in those attempts he's been sacked..hmm...9 times. So...you see...
This is Seattle's current third string quarterback:

But this could very soon be Seattle's third string quarterback:
Nate Davis has a learning disability. It's a reading disability not unlike Seneca Wallace's. That's sent pro teams scurrying. At Ball State's pro day, only Indianapolis was in attendance. That's more depressing the more you think about it. Davis also tosses without the laces, which seriously weirds out scouts. Davis is too short, too. A full, well about a half rather inch shorter than Matthew Stafford and Mark Sanchez. A crucial half inch. That's more or less the case against him.
Davis' arm strength is comparable to Stafford's. Stan Parish's offense was somewhat like a spread offense, but from what limited tape I've seen, it's actually more downfield focused than Mark Richt's screen-intensive Georgia offense. Davis has taken snaps from center (he estimates 30% of all snaps), but may need a glove to ensure strong ball handling. He's a great athlete, with ability to move inside and outside the pocket and launch bombs on the run.
He dominates Stafford statistically. In 39 games played, Davis threw for more yards per attempt (8.21 to 7.83), a better completion percentage (60.3% to 57.1%), more touchdowns per attempt (1 per 15.2 to 1 per 19.4), fewer interceptions per attempt (1 per 51.1 to 1 per 29.9) and a lower sack percentage (4.7% to 5.2%). Davis may not be better than Stafford. The odds are against it, but that the two are so comparable is poignant. Not long ago there were whispers Davis could be drafted in the first day. Between then and now, no football games have been played. Davis wasn't injured or arrested. And if the real reason many are no projecting Davis to fall to the sixth is a learning disability and an unorthodox delivery, damn if I wouldn't want Seattle to be the team that gives him a chance to punish the league for its bigotry.
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I just HAD a feeling you'd be picking him John.
Question: What was the level of competition that Davis played against? If it was comparable to Stafford’s, then by all means, I’d like the Seahawks to take a chance on him in the 5th.
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by Carl Shinyama on Apr 24, 2009 7:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
John and Doug... suggestion...
Can you guys post your “draft to date” at the end of each pick so we can get the big picture? I found myself having to backup and go through each post again to get the feel for them. After seeing so many mocks they all begin to blur at some point.
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by iverson2169 on Apr 24, 2009 7:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
oops one more thing...
wouldn’t bigotry assume racial predjudice? I think you meant a general prejudice unless your implying that he’s dropping because of race?
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by iverson2169 on Apr 24, 2009 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bigotry can be in any area
not just race.
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by dcrockett17 on Apr 24, 2009 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
your correct... my fault John... ignore the man behind the curtain.
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by iverson2169 on Apr 24, 2009 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The man behind the curtain must be Jason Whitlock. ;-)
Seattle: Where the sun coming out or snow falling takes up 20 minutes of a 1 hour local news broadcast.
by SSreporters on Apr 24, 2009 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I recall having the same basic response
the first time someone used the word chauvinist, but wasn’t referring to gender-based bigotry.
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by dcrockett17 on Apr 24, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering why he fell so fast...
The end for him was… well… inglorious as I recall. Their last two games were the MAC championship, where he just kicked the ball all over the place, and Tulsa, where they just didn’t look that into it.
I thought it was a bit harsh for him to fall so rapidly based on two bad games. Now, it makes more sense. (Actually, if memory serves Ball State is supposed to do a lot of work in the area of learning disabilities, though I could be misremembering.)
The pick would make a lot of sense for Seattle, considering the work they’ve been able to do with Seneca. Nice call.
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by dcrockett17 on Apr 24, 2009 7:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The learning disability should be an issue though shouldn't it?
I don’t think it means someone is bigoted because they are worried about his difficulty reading. The QB position is a very hard position to learn (let alone a WCO QB). Not that he becomes undraftable, but with all the value on the board in 2-5, I can see why he might slip.
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by iverson2169 on Apr 24, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it depends on what he has trouble learning.
My best friend was diagnosed with a learning disability, and he is actually pretty sharp. He can memorize entire movies, and things that he studies, it’s the the logic department leaves a little more to be desired.
Grasping a pro offense may not be a problem for Nate Davis.
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by Carl Shinyama on Apr 24, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Granted Carl...
My point was that with all the talent and value in rounds 2-5, I can understand why teams might pass on a QB that “may not have issues grasping a pro offense”.
Again, not an indictment of Davis, more a commentary on how loaded the middle rounds are.
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by iverson2169 on Apr 24, 2009 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. The thing about learning disabilities is--
there are many ways to teach, and to learn, and you can usually find one that sticks. Once you’ve learned the material there’s no more disability. Remember Vonnegut’s rule— anything you can’t teach to an 8 year old is bullshit. I know there’s a lot of terminology but find a way to simplify it. Hell, I learned piano by the Suzuki method as a kid. That’s where you have musical staves but pictures of fruit instead of chords. No, I’m not making this up. Songs might go “apple-apple-banana-banana-apple-cherry”. Whatever. Anything can be simplified; he’s made it this far, he can learn a pro-style offense.
by shams on Apr 24, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again... we agree here.
My point is more about the fact that there is so much talent available in the middle rounds that you dont have to make accommodations for (given as a reason why teams might allow him to slip… not my own commentary on why he isn’t worth a pick).
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by iverson2169 on Apr 24, 2009 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah Suzuki Method
or as I like to call it, Three Billion Variations on Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star.
by BrianL on Apr 24, 2009 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, but they also had Jim Zorn helping.
He ain’t ’round here no more.
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by Carl Shinyama on Apr 24, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Using that same logic..
Zorn may be gone but Seneca the guy with the disability who learned from Zorn and Hasselbeck the skilled easy going veteran are still around, at least for another year.
by hawkfanjp on Apr 24, 2009 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember seeing him in some skills comp.
He does have a big arm and throws a tight ball decent speed too.
by hawkfanjp on Apr 24, 2009 8:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't really want to waste any time commenting on a 5th round pick that probably won't happen
But damn if that pic of our “current” 3rd string QB wasn’t damn hilarious.
by kearly on Apr 24, 2009 9:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I came in here to emphasize how funny it looked too.
Too the point where it’s almost ridiculous cliche that he’s a third string quarterback.
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by Fearless Frog on Apr 24, 2009 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree... I'm just not sure I could look at that mug in a huddle with a straight face.
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by iverson2169 on Apr 24, 2009 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd pass on this guy
He left to soon. Should’ve stayed 1 more year to really develop and would’ve been at least a 2nd round pick. Strong arm but questionable decision making. He ain’t Stafford….SEC vs. MAC. Try playing Florida and Alabama every week versus Marshall and company. He looked really bad his last 2 games. It showed to me that he was thinking about being an NFL star before finishing his collegiate career. He rubs me wrong.
by Mr. Blache III on Apr 25, 2009 12:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather take Harrell!
Fits the West Coast Offense more and played in a quick Pro Style offense. It’s a shame this guy tossed aside when looking at QB’s this year…hell, he might be the reason we draft Crabtree 4th!
by Mr. Blache III on Apr 25, 2009 12:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Graham Harrell, a Pro Style offense? The reason Crabtree is an elite WR prospect?
What shit are you smoking?
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by Fearless Frog on Apr 25, 2009 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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