Seattle Trades 37 Pick to Denver for Broncos' 2010 First Round Pick
by John Morgan on Apr 25, 2009 4:53 PM PDT
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PrintSeattle has traded the 37 pick in the NFL draft for the Denver Bronco's 2010 first round pick. This is classic Ruskell to see a list still full of talent and know better than to lock in on his guy. This is absolutely incredible value. Denver has no defense, and without its elite young quarterback its guaranteed to be bad. I am jumping out of my skin with excitement. Ruskell has not only won this draft with this one move, he has fixed the need for a great quarterback of the future. Even if the Broncos do not fail as badly as they probably will, Seattle could package both picks to move up and get the quarterback they want. Fantastic move for Ruskell. FANTASTIC.
Update: Don't count out Seattle trading back into the second. If they had a list heavy with second round talent, they could have traded out of the early second only to trade back into the late second.
Here's some more details about Denver and their chance to improve.
Denver was lucky to the tune of 0.5 wins according to Advanced NFL Stats.
San Diego and Kansas City were the two least lucky teams in the NFL. San Diego was -3.4 wins unlucky, Kansas City was -2.9 wins unlucky.
They had 26th hardest schedule in the NFL.
Before we factor in the loss of Jay Cutler, we can already expect this team to be worse. An 8-8 team, minus their very best player, their very best player that was a young, improving franchise quarterback, was lucky to win as many as they did last year.
It's no stretch to say Seattle traded an early second round pick for an early first round pick.
Update II: If you're looking for a shadow team to follow, try the Broncos' opponents.
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ahahahahha
woo!
this is great
woo!
yes! woo! yes!
cougfan pointed out earlier- is this Denver’s or Chicago’s 1st?
Great question
Chicago should be better than Denver, so hopefully it’s Denver’s pick. I agree this is great value, money in the bank. I was trying to figure out who we would select at 37 with what’s on the board and couldn’t ID an obvious choice, so was hoping they’d trade down.
No, both teams will be terrible.
It was a lose lose for both teams, Cutler is a system QB who won’t do well on the Bears and the Broncos are going to at least have one bad season till a new QB is acclimatized
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by Fearless Frog on Apr 25, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Cutler is a really good quarterback.
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by BrettJMiller on Apr 25, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions
We'll see how good he is without a monster offensive line, excellent running game, and great receivers.
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by Fearless Frog on Apr 25, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
One excellent receiver in Brandon Marshall,
who Cutler had to play without for the first three games and another receiver in Eddie Royal. Royal might one day be great, but last season he was only good – 980 yards.
Also, about that “excellent” running game: no one on the team ran for more than 343 yards (Peyton Hillis). Cutler may lose talent in receiving by going to the Bears, but his running game gets much better and he won’t be asked to make as many risky downfield throws because the Bears’ Defense won’t get him in a hole like Denver’s did.
by SeaTownBlueDevil on Apr 25, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
"Only good"
980 yards for a #2 ROOKIE receiver is merely good? You’ve got to be kidding.
His running game doesn’t get better, it gets worse. That stat is deceptive because even though every back Denver had got injured, they still averaged a ludicrous 4.8 YPC . They were productive, to say the least.
And you’re really downplaying the lost talent in receivers. He goes from Marshall, Royal, and Sheffler to Devin freaking Hester, Earl Bennett, Greg Olson, and perhaps Matt Forte.
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 25, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions
is it possible
that we get the 1st-rounder that chicago is sending to denver next year?
it seems like denver is giving up a lot of value otherwise.
I like this idea
They can’t BOTH bust!
by B.B.Finnegan on Apr 26, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
No and no
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by BrettJMiller on Apr 25, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions
WOW.
Denver are huge idiots. Is Alphonso Smith going to make them a super bowl team? or even a playoff team? They traded, best case scenario, #32 for #37. More likely scenario ~#15 for #37. Wowsers. I love this. I saw 10 guys on the board I felt the same about so having my pick of the 2-3 still on the board in the 3rd is SOOOO worth a pick that could easily be top 10 next year..!
My thoughts exactly.
My first reaction was no Chung! But I immediately relized Ruskell was setting us up for QB next year. Great Move on his part.
And Denver comes to Qwest this year
which could suddenly be one of the most important games we play this season.
Wait we play Denver?
How did I miss that?
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 25, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I believe the Broncos are coming to Qwest in 2010 for a regular season game though.
--Shrug
Field Gulls - The SBN Seattle Seahawks Blog
So the question is
Are we gonna clear enough cap room?
Or is there an uncapped year?
2/3 of the world is covered by water. The rest is covered by Marcus Trufant.
The Seahawk's.com live chat thing reports it's Denver's pick, not Chicago's.
So for what that’s worth, should be another little sleep nigh for me in a year.
Cool, now we have a reason for our old AFC West rivals to blow
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 25, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Ruskell is a god!!
Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah!
Weez the juice!!
Does this mean Denver traded Cutler for
Ray Freakin’ M? and Moreno? I suppose that could work out for them, but I’m ecstatic about it. It makes me even happier that it’s not really a contest: 2nd for 1st.
No, this means Denver gets Robert Ayers.
It remains to be seen what they do with the 2010 draft pick that they got from the Bears, as they gave the Seahawks their 2010 draft pick for Alphonso Smith.
Weez the juice!!
by Carl Shinyama on Apr 25, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think day one of this draft could have gone any better.
It’s a great day to be a Seahawk’s fan.
A player with much more impact instead of Curry?
"Part, fools!
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by Fearless Frog on Apr 25, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Usually when everyone has the opposite opinion as me in a room, I don't spend a lot of time telling them they're wrong or stupid.
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by BrettJMiller on Apr 25, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed.
I’m so fucking happy!
Weez the juice!!
by Carl Shinyama on Apr 25, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
So...
We get arguably the best player in this years draft (Curry) and a 1st rounder for next season from a team that could be pretty bad.
A+++++++++++++++. Tim Ruskell works hus draft day magic again.
I may have felt indifferent about Curry (to the tune of saying I HATE YOU RUSKELL)
But I’m warming up to the Curry pick a little more and this trade is awesome.
Fun Fact: If Patrick Chung and Marcus Trufant were to have a helmet-to-helmet collision, the world would explode.
I'm in agreement with most people here.
I don’t think the Hawks needed a linebacker, but Curry is a great player who is highly unlikely to bust and should be a great player for years to come, even if you don’t think the Hawks needed a LB you cant hate the pick.
I hated the pick at first glance because not only is it not needed but we have more important issues to address
But holy crap this is awesome. The Broncos fans over at Mile High Report (great site BTW) aren’t too happy.
Fun Fact: If Patrick Chung and Marcus Trufant were to have a helmet-to-helmet collision, the world would explode.
Can he rush the passer?
With that kind of speed coming off the edge I’d think he could gett to to the Qb
40 times are irrelevant in the NFL.
Curry is not a good pass-rusher
"Part, fools!
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by Fearless Frog on Apr 25, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
are we sure
or was he just not used that way
I'd like to think that Denver is gonna bomb...
but in that diarrhea division and against the AFC East, they could win a lot more games then they have any business doing
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
Just cheer for a SD and KC rebound.
and that should be enough to crowd them out and make them terrible. And they could easily lose one to Oak.
And Larry "Lamar K." Eeengleeesh
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by Fearless Frog on Apr 25, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
SD and KC drafted just about the worst people they could under the circumstances.
…God damn it why couldn’t those motherfuckers have done the right thing and draft Curry.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 25, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with John
I bet we get back in to the 2nd
No need.
Plenty of talent that can come in right away and play to be had in the the 3rd and 4th.
Weez the juice!!
by Carl Shinyama on Apr 25, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
hmmm
good point, W. Beatty might be had in the 3rd too
I would probably start laughing at the absurdness if that happened.
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by Fearless Frog on Apr 25, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
John... dont forget
Brandon Marshall just had hip surgery and could be suspended…. this just gets better
Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.
Fuck yes.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 25, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Brown to the Panthers. Thank god.
Fun Fact: If Patrick Chung and Marcus Trufant were to have a helmet-to-helmet collision, the world would explode.
This just in: Panthers sign Everette Brown to 145 million dollar rookie contract.
The largest in history ever for a second round pick.
If this is Denver's pick and not the Bears....
Ruskell redeemed himself to me today
"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?" - Dr. Venture
I just saw that. That is amazingly awesome, and makes this day 10,000 times better to me
"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?" - Dr. Venture
I'm reading that it is. SO did John.
Fun Fact: If Patrick Chung and Marcus Trufant were to have a helmet-to-helmet collision, the world would explode.
They're idiots?
shrug
I’m still on my high after the Broncos/Seahawks trade to care about what the other teams are doing right now.
Weez the juice!!
by Carl Shinyama on Apr 25, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Trade details
Panthers gave up their 1st round pick in 2010 for Everette Brown.
Fun Fact: If Patrick Chung and Marcus Trufant were to have a helmet-to-helmet collision, the world would explode.
Pantherswin there I think
2/3 of the world is covered by water. The rest is covered by Marcus Trufant.
I don't want first round picks. I want second round picks.
Look at the Patriots, they are getting EIGHT (8) round 2/3 picks. Each of those eight guys is potentially a strong starter in this league. None of them, should they bust, will set the team back financially too bad. Explain to me why this is such a fleecing— I thought we wanted to trade down, not up.
We can do it next season, hopefully.
Ugh, I still can’t believe we draft Aaron Curry.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 25, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Frog, remember this day
we won’t let you forget it when Curry is smashing Beanie Wells up down in the desert.
Of course, Frog can let YOU remember it if our wide receiving corps sucks down in the desert
Frog, you wanted Crabtree, right?
"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?" - Dr. Venture
Or Monroe.
Or Sanchez.
Hell, anything but a defensive player would have worked.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 25, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Or when Curry's a victim of Beanie's trademark stiffarm, or Crabtree busting a slant route for 6.
"Part, fools!
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by Fearless Frog on Apr 25, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
But Beanie Wells sucks
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by BrettJMiller on Apr 25, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Beanie Wells is a fantastic rusher.
May not be the most durable guy and sort of Alexander-esque when it comes to versatility but he’s a great RB.
"Part, fools!
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by Fearless Frog on Apr 25, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Beanie Wells sucks
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by BrettJMiller on Apr 25, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Have you seen him play?
I mean, I can understand why you’d like Knowshon Moreno or Donald Brown better, but I don’t understand how you merely cast him aside as “he sucks”.
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by Fearless Frog on Apr 25, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions
It means a shot at one of the top quarterbacks next year.
If it gets Sam Bradford, I’m all for it.
Weez the juice!!
by Carl Shinyama on Apr 25, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
You trade down to get more picks
not to get inferior picks. New England has much of the talent you would find in the first, like the defensive line, WR, quarterback. Seattle does not. Now Seattle has a chance to draft their franchise quarterback in what looks like a great draft for franchise quarterbacks.
The reason they have that talent
is because of draft strategies like they have shown today. I say, fake it til’ you make it. Ok, if next year is the second coming of 1983 and we can get a golden boy, that’s great.
I guess I just wanted two bodies today.
The reason New England can implement that draft strategy
is because they amassed first-round picks. Getting another first-round choice certainly doesn’t preclude Seattle from following in those footsteps and converting that choice (or their own 1st-rounder) into more picks. You can be disappointed next year if it doesn’t happen. In the meantime, a huge door of opportunity just opened.
I'd take Stafford over any of next season's QBs.
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by Fearless Frog on Apr 25, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
That's irrelevant, we had no chance to get Stafford.
The question would be Sanchez vs next season’s QBs.
Aint that a fucking fact...
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by Fearless Frog on Apr 25, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
This is why I am glad you're not a general manager, or involved in any sort of meaningful football decisions.
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by BrettJMiller on Apr 25, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
you are so right..
The Pats add key players in Free Agency and live off the 2nd through 7th round picks. We are killing ourselves financially. Imagine paying 2 1st rounders next year.
by Mr. Blache III on Apr 25, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions
So, why the hell hasn't Julius Peppers been dealt yes?
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
yet
"Part, fools!
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by Fearless Frog on Apr 25, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Panthers are probably going to have a late 20s pick anyway.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 25, 2009 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Denver's 2010 first > Panthers' 2010 first
Now all we have to do is suck worse than the 9ers to ensure the top QB…
Man, I am going to be cheering against Denver SO MUCH this year
"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?" - Dr. Venture
Note that they play the AFC North and NFC East
"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?" - Dr. Venture
With New England and Indy as the "2nd place" teams
"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?" - Dr. Venture
I'm moving to Missouri in August
Maybe I will try to get tickets to the game against the Chiefs.
"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?" - Dr. Venture
I think Chiefs will be better this season, too
so except for their first three games — which all look very winnable — their last 13 games look incredibly tough.
Damn, they could very well start 3-0 and finish 3-13. Wouldn’t that be something?
After week 3 they are so screwed.
Fun Fact: If Patrick Chung and Marcus Trufant were to have a helmet-to-helmet collision, the world would explode.
Meh, might as well call this now:
We let Hill walk after this season and draft another LB with Denver’s first.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
You are really really annoying.
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by BrettJMiller on Apr 25, 2009 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions
You have a right to disagree, of course
but can you move? It’s one thing to be mad, it’s another to twist every conversation into what you’re pissed about.
picking a QB this year feels like the 05 draft where the Niners had to pick Alex Smith
the talent next year is crazy
Denver Post reports it's Chicago's pick, not Denver's
http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_12228231
Well, somebody has to be right…
thats strange Danny O'Neil has Ruskell quotes from a call
and is still calling it DEN’s 1st
Another trade just went down
Seattle on the clock.
But there goes our 3rd and 4th.
Weez the juice!!
by Carl Shinyama on Apr 25, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Max Unger
A center! Replaces Spencer! A grand day indeed
Why the hell would we do that?
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by BrettJMiller on Apr 25, 2009 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Unger supposedly the best zone-blocking center
Guys, we may have just found a center for the next decade.
Talk about a double pick!
Unger comes in at C, Spencer becomes really high value at G.
by blackhalobender on Apr 25, 2009 5:49 PM PDT reply actions
was Spencer any good at G?
I thought he was a little sketchy in 06 or so.
…admittedly, 06.
Actually he was really bad at G.
But maybe Unger will be a good G until Spencer leaves.
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 25, 2009 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
We have alot of 7ths
To get back into the 4th or 5th maybe again, but overall it’s a good first day.
Curry, a #1, and a C/G
that’s a great draft
Let's go.
Heh.
Steep price I suppose, but SWEET MOTHER OF CHRIST WE GOT DENVER’S FIRST
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 25, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions
We gave up a 3rd and 4th but this day is awesome.
Fun Fact: If Patrick Chung and Marcus Trufant were to have a helmet-to-helmet collision, the world would explode.
Essentially, we gave up a 3 and a 4 for next year's 1.
Since Unger could have easily been ours at 37. NOW I’m happy.
Wow. I liked Unger a lot
But trading 3rd and 4th to get him, especially early 3rd and 4th seems steep, not for the 49th pick per se, but we’re giving up two quality picks for one. I hope he is our starting center for years and proves worth the pick. Starting to get worried about when and how we’re going to address RB and DB.
We traded the 3rd and 4th round picks to get a first rounder.
Ruskell knew Unger would be available at 49, so he traded his 2nd for the best value he could get, and gave up the 3rd and 4th to get Unger. Essentially, he wanted Unger in the 2nd, but knew 37 was too early to take him. So, essentially, he traded the 3rd and 4th rounders for a top 15 (most likely) 1st rounder.
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by BrettJMiller on Apr 25, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh it's very, very, very awesome. I LOVE the move.
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by BrettJMiller on Apr 25, 2009 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Excellent Draft
We could have selected Unger in the 2nd with our original pick and it would have been a good value. So we tradeded a 3rd and 4rth for a high 1st next year. Amazing.
by blackhalobender on Apr 25, 2009 5:58 PM PDT reply actions
Unger is a manbeast.
May not be the strongest guy around but should be a perfect ZBS lineman
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
So we replaced Julian Peterson, got in good position for one of the franchise QBs next year
and got a pretty solid guard prospect.
at the cost of a 3rd and 4th.
I’m happy.
If only we'd just kept Peterson in the first place...
…we could have Jenkins too. Or Crabtree. Or Monroe.
Heck, ANYONE. But SOMEONE, at least.
Isn't Curry cheaper than Peterson though?
I know Curry will get a monster contract, but will it be less (in the first few years at least) than what we would have paid Peterson? I’ll admit I’m not all that knowledgeable on draft pick contract structures. Also, I remember that Peterson refused to take a salary cut, so that was why he was traded.
Also there's a chance Curry can become Peterson, basically
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by BrettJMiller on Apr 25, 2009 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Peterson was not asked to take a salary cut. Nor did he refuse one.
Source: http://blog.seattlepi.com/football/archives/164232.asp
Weez the juice!!
by Carl Shinyama on Apr 25, 2009 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for clearing that up.
I guess they should have at least asked for a restructure, but I’m not sure the Hawks would have saved all that much money, especially if they wanted to keep Hill around.
Curry will certainly be cheaper than Peterson, but not by too much.
Definitely not enough to warrant throwing away a 4th overall pick just to make up the difference. And I’d bet that JP would restructure if asked.
Do we really need to address RB?
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by BrettJMiller on Apr 25, 2009 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you kidding?
You’re comfortable with JJ, Duckett, Forsett and Schmitt? What if JJ goes down? Or Duckett for that matter?
Forsett and Duckett get the carries if JJ goes down.
If two somehow get injured, you have a bit of depth and the free agent wire.
Running backs are extremely fungible, especially in a good zone blocking scheme. There’s no top RB talent left anyway.
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by BrettJMiller on Apr 25, 2009 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions
There are a bunch projected to go in 3rd and 4th
who could conceivably step in for JJ. Coffee, Peerman, Jennings and the kid from Iowa. In the 7th the quality will have dropped off considerably.
Yeah, well they're not anything spectacular, but they're good.
I don’t think we need a RB. I won’t be upset if we take one, but we have more pressing needs.
I’d love to see us trade into the 2nd or 3rd to get a Safety, but that would just be gravy. The draft already has to be considered a success
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by BrettJMiller on Apr 25, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Glen Coffee could fall to the 5th.
Weez the juice!!
by Carl Shinyama on Apr 25, 2009 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Then we play the other back
And look to the waiver/trade wire, just like every other team. How many backs do you figure most teams have?
That said, I'm not totally averse to taking a chance on an RB with value.
It’s not like we couldn’t upgrade the position. I do like Jones a lot, but he’s not a little kid anymore.
Yeah, I won't be made if we take a RB, but I don't really think we need one.
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by BrettJMiller on Apr 25, 2009 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions
If they go down then we have hit the waiver wire.
Just like any team in NFL would have to do if they lost their top 2 running backs.
What are you smoking?
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by BrettJMiller on Apr 25, 2009 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Gotta be some mystery substance in there.
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by BrettJMiller on Apr 25, 2009 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Strange.
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by BrettJMiller on Apr 25, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh man.
Let’s get him, but I am not eager to read the badly titled headlines when he’s drafted.
Weez the juice!!
by Carl Shinyama on Apr 25, 2009 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions
That brainwave occurred to me...
Maybe the 2nd day could be as interesting as today’s was.
Weez the juice!!
by Carl Shinyama on Apr 25, 2009 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Is there confirmation on whether we got Denver's or Chicago's 1st round pick next year?
There seems to be some contradicting reports…
I got that same confusion
NFL network said it was the Chicago pick obtained in trade, but I heard the opposite in the thread above. BTW, the Broncos just traded into the final pick of the 2nd round.
NFL network just corrected that and confirmed it was thier own pick they traded to Seattle
not the pick obtained from Chicago.
Only one outlet says we got Chicago's
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by BrettJMiller on Apr 25, 2009 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions
The 4th pick in the 5th round was given to the Broncos...
In the Keary trade.
But they do have Detroit’s pick in the 5th round.
Weez the juice!!
by Carl Shinyama on Apr 25, 2009 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions
2nd day
gonna have to wait really long to here what we draft unless we trade.
JM, if you truly believed Brown to be a top 15 talent
then wouldn’t this trade be a ‘wash’, since we’re essentially getting a 15th pick next year? Or does the fact that every single team passed on him signal that there is doubts about his ability to transition to the pro level, and thus make him not a top 15 pick. But if he truly is a top 15 talent, then he is worth more than a 15th pick, since he comes at the price tag of a 40th overall pick.
I always doubted he could play DE at a pro-level anyway.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 25, 2009 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Where is Randy Mueller?
Can we finally fire Tim Ruskell and rehire Rehire Randy Mueller…hell I’ll take Ted Thompson back. Another wasted 1st Round pick.
We could’ve had any of these combo’s in the 1st and 2nd Round
Crabtree/Maleugua
Crabtree/Conner Baldwin
Crabtree/Michael Johnson
instead we get Curry/Unger and lose a 3rd and 4th round pick. Yes we get a 1st next year but that’s to far in the future. We missed out on a playmaker on offense and playmakers we could’ve used on Defense. The funny thing is we probably don’t have a corner good enough to even guard Crabtree. The genius thing that Seattle missed out on was trading the 4th pick if they were not going to take Crabtree. My GM mind said trade the 4th pick to Denver (who wanted Sanchez) for there 12th and 18th pick. Then ship our 18th pick and 3rd Rd pick (or even 37th pick) to Jacsonville (who wanted to trade back) in exchange for their 8th pick. We could’ve left with the :
8th
12th
3rd -7th Round picks.
Instead we leave with:
4th
(1st round pick next year)
49th
5th-7th round pick.
We leave with less picks and get a player in a position we could’ve solved in the 2nd Round. LInebackers in the top 10 usually do not fair as well as WR in the top ten. Especially considering how deep this years draft was in Linebackers. Ruskell doesn’t think out of the box and Randy Mueller was light years ahead of Ruskell when it came to drafting talent. His only fault was hiring Dennis Erickson. Holmgren was a better GM then Ruskell. No one will say it but he really built the foundation for our only Super Bowl team. Randy please call me.
I echo this sentiment.
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 25, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions
The Crabtree over Curry thing was sound.
But the rest of the comment made my eyes bleed.
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 25, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions
If Denver would of traded their 12th and 18th for our 4th
Then we would of done it.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 25, 2009 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think we even approached Denver
I really think he wanted Curry and when he fell to him he took….there were other Curry’s in this draft….There are no other Crabtree’s! WE gave up picks again…This guy screws us every year. Remember Lawrence Jackson, remember Chris Spencer….
by Mr. Blache III on Apr 25, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions
No
I’m pissed because we traded our 3rd and 4th this year for a player we could’ve taken at 37.
by Mr. Blache III on Apr 25, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions
And those 3rd and 4th picks are WAY MORE AWESOME
Screw those silly midround to high first round picks. They suck. Who wants more of those?
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by crushedoptimist on Apr 25, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions
But by moving back we got a first round pick next year
If we just took Unger at 37 we’d have our third and fourth round picks but we wouldn’t have an extra first round pick next year.
So you're pissed because he didn't play Fantasy GM?
Throwing out random hypotheticals that involve two trade-down scenarios and excoriating Ruskell for not following that fantasy is actually somewhat ridiculous. You can be ticked that they didn’t draft Crabtree. You and Fearless can get drunk together. However, the whole fantasy trade-down stuff is barely even worth discussing.
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by crushedoptimist on Apr 25, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Pass the scotch...
lol…First one is on me Fearless Frog…and please remember this conversation when Crabree is killing Jennings and Wilson twice next year.
by Mr. Blache III on Apr 25, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Because that will totally relate to his value vs Curry's
Are people arguing that Crabtree sucks? It’s a discussion between two elite talents.
I also hate that Crabtree is in SF and that we have to play him twice a year.
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by crushedoptimist on Apr 25, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions
It's a stud A stud B convo
Curry will be a great pro…I just think Crabtree will be a great pro and the type of WR we haven’t had before…not to mention our depth there is still bad even with the addition of Housz. We have not done a good job in supplying Hasslebeck with elite weapons at WR. Tom Brady was lights out before he got Moss but look at how him and Moss are now. T.O. helped McNabb and Philly be more dynamic…Andy Reed and company have held that team back by not giving McNabb top flight WR’s. I think we have done the same with Hass. Montana had Rice, Young had Rice and T.O. and Brady now has Moss and Peyton had Harrison and now Wayne, Warner had Holt and Bruce, and Warner has Fitz and Boldin…we had injured Branch and Engram last year and now we have Housz and Branch…serviceable but not good enough or does not strike fear in Def Cords
by Mr. Blache III on Apr 25, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Question, is Don Carey white?
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 25, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions
No, I was just wondering why everyone was making such a big deal how great it was this guy was going to the NFL.
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 25, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
about Crabtree
I really don’t see him single handedly killing us. The stars would have to align for San Fran. They have no QB that is going to be able to continually get the ball to Crabtree. Plus one would have to assume that Kerney will be back and marginally effect, Jackson will be better, and the new defensive coordinator not being a huge turd is going to help our case in containing one player.
Jennings and Wilson will be fine if we can generate any sort of pass rush. We didn’t have any problem kicking the crap out of the Cardinals when they had Larry and Anquin before last year. One player does not a team make.
This was all directed @ Blache who seems to think the sky is falling because the Whiners drafted Crabtree.
Directed @ Hancock
The “Whiners” did finish 7-9 last year even without a QB…Throw in Frank Gore, Crabtree, and Davis and they could have 9-7 year next year. There’s no evidence that Jackson, Wilson, or Jennings are going to be better next year. Jennings has horrible ball skills and Wilson is just to undersized for the likes of Arizona and now possibly SF.
by Mr. Blache III on Apr 25, 2009 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions
League's easiest schedule.
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 26, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Like Curry but..
why did we get rid of Peterson anyway? We were forced to fill a position that we really didn’t need to fill had we not traded Peterson for DE DT tweener.
by Mr. Blache III on Apr 25, 2009 11:30 PM PDT reply actions
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