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With Its Supplemental Seventh Round Picks, Seattle Selects SS Courtney Greene, DE Nick Reed and TE Cameron Morrah

SS Courtney Greene: Four year starter for the Rutgers Scarlet Knights. More of a hammer, in the box strong safety. 386 career tackles, eight solo for a loss, eight assist for a loss, six forced fumbles, 4.5 sacks, seven pressures, 12 passes defensed. Good athleticism.

NFL Draft Scout Condensed Report:

Positives: Versatile, has started at free and strong safety. Nice height and solid upper and lower body. … Closes quickly on run plays from the deep secondary. … Greets receivers rudely across the middle. … Aware of down and distance and works hard to prevent long third-down conversions. … Reads the quarterback's eyes and closes on the ball quickly. … Can be effective on the blitz, timing his move well, but is not sent in very often. … Durable leader, plays through injuries.

Negatives: Tends to hit more than tackle, and will drop his head too often in the open field. … Stays high in his backpedal and footwork is choppy. … Must work on man coverage technique and improve reaction as receivers chew up his cushion. … Discipline is an issue, as Greene gets sucked in by play-action and at times fails to get deep. … Runners freeze him in the open field. … Does not have great lateral movement, and is best being a hammer when the play is in front of him. … Needs to prove he can play the ball in the air against taller receivers.

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DE Nick Reed: Pass rush specialist. 29.5 sacks over two seasons starting. Seattle will use him to attack on obvious passing downs and to rush the edge on punts. His size, 6'2" but only 245, may prevent him from succeeding as a pro.

NFL Draft Scout on his pass rush:

Pass Rush and Blitz: Reed is quick and aggressive coming off the edge. He has a good array of rush moves and knows how to vary his speed to get the offensive lineman off balance. He stunts quite a bit and has had decent success slipping under blocks when attacking through the inside gaps. He shows good timing and burst to close on the pocket and is active with his feet to avoid and spin away from blockers on the move. He will hit or bounce the QB with leverage, keeping balance to finish the play. What separates him from most is the way he can easily anticipate the snap, compensating for having just good speed by getting off the line just a fraction of a second before the blocker can position. When he finds the rush lane, he has the burst to flush out and pressure the quarterback and a move to middle linebacker could be beneficial, as he can bring the heat on the blitz. GRADE: 8.0

TE Cameron Morrah: Athletic tight end out of Cal. Caught eight touchdowns in just 27 receptions. Might be destined to play wide receiver in the pros. 4.66 forty, 24 reps on the bench, 32.5" vert, 6.99 three cone drill.

Combine Scouting Report:

Analysis

Strengths: Long, lanky build with plenty of room for additional mass. Good use of hands and lateral quickness off the line of scrimmage to get into his route. Can threaten down the seam. Flashes the ability to sink his hips and generate some separation out of his breaks. Flashes courage over the middle to extend and make the tough catch in traffic. Can snatch the ball out of the air. Generally soft hands for the reception and will catch with his body when he is expecting a big hit. Ascending prospect whose best football is still ahead of him.


Weaknesses: Lacks bulk, especially in his upper body. Shows some effort as a run blocker, but is easily discarded by front seven defenders due to his lack of strength. Talented receiver, but is prone to lapses in concentration. Drops some easy passes. Doesn't consistently use his size to his advantage over the middle. Impressive touchdown total more a reflection of defenses' focus on dynamic sophomore running back Jahvid Best.

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Greene is a great pick

struggles in 2008 were mainly because RU lost its other starting safety, and he had to play more of a coverage role.

Greene is strictly a SS. Good hitter, great nose for the ball and playmaking ability.

by number_twentyone on Apr 26, 2009 4:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Wow.

All in all I am loving this draft right now. I really like what we did with our last three picks. I wonder if Reed can take on the role we had in mind for Hill, he can definitely rush. Greene sounds really undervalued. !!

by michaelfox99 on Apr 26, 2009 4:35 PM PDT reply actions  

I think Greene fell mostly because of the demand that most teams had for LB's and CB's this year.

That hurt his stock. I remember he was projected to go around the 4th or 5th rounds. I’m more than happy that he ended up being a Seahawk.

Weez the juice!!

by Carl Shinyama on Apr 26, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was an awesome tactic by Seattle not to lock onto any one player

in a safety class that was largely undifferentiated in talent. This is the kind of stuff I love about Tim Ruskell.

by John Morgan on Apr 26, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can speak with confidence about Butler

What I’ve read about him I like. Sounds like his weight (formerly 168) really depressed his stock, but he bulked up to ~180 before the combine and still lit it up. I can’t say if Butler is better than or worse than the talent Seattle could have gotten if they would have waited. I’m guessing no, because lots of wide receiver talent went early and that pulled down the mid-round talent.

by John Morgan on Apr 26, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think so.

They traded their 3rd round pick knowing that they were easily passing up a chance to draft Butler for a chance to get Unger. But they apparently felt he was worth trading back into the 3rd round where was available.

It sounds to me if that they locked onto him, they wouldn’t have given up their 3rd round pick.

Weez the juice!!

by Carl Shinyama on Apr 26, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

The 7th round picks to me is not the whip cream or the cherry on top of the whip cream

it’s the ice cream. My favorite part of the draft, and 3 guys I like. I can’t wait to see which undrafted free agent we get.

by LantermanC on Apr 26, 2009 5:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Greene reminds me a lot of Hamlin

Ken Hamlin, that is . . . He looks to me like a guy who should be a good starter if paired with a guy like Deon Grant.

by The Ancient Mariner on Apr 26, 2009 5:37 PM PDT reply actions  

"Should be a good starter..."

The 7th rounder we drafted?

I hope you are right, but that seems to be a weird comparison to a high 2nd round pick. I know he fell, and this safety class is probably deeper than the one Hamlin was in, but that seems like a major stretch. I’m just hoping that between him and Jamar Adams that one of them can start this year or next.

by cashless on Apr 26, 2009 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not right away, I'm sure, and not in *any* situation

but paired next to a guy like Grant who can a) do the stuff he can’t do, and b) make sure he is where he needs to be on the field to do the stuff he can . . . yeah, I think so.

by The Ancient Mariner on Apr 26, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope you are right

But I feel as though if it was a slam dunk situation we or someone else picks him up way WAY sooner. I love that he fell so far, and a hitter with good athleticism sounds like a great special teamer, and perhaps what we need out of a SS right now. Just not convinced that we picked a guy they think has more than a 20% chance of being a starter after passing on him in the 6th.

by cashless on Apr 26, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's a limited player

and limited players need the right sort of situations to be successful, and don’t usually get drafted high. (OK, so every player has limits, but you know what I mean.) Greene pretty clearly doesn’t do all that many things well — but in a role in which those are the only things he has to do most of the time, given good coaching and normal development, what reason is there to think that he couldn’t succeed?

by The Ancient Mariner on Apr 27, 2009 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

The report on him sounds just like Hamlin

Hits, but doesn’t tackle. Can get sucked into the play action. Poor lateral movement….

Yup, sounds like Hamlin to me.

by kmedic on Apr 26, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like it

Greene reminds me of Chris Horton.

I think Morrah makes the team. If God forbid Carlson got hurt, John Owens certainly isn’t a pass catcher so we needed someone else at TE that can catch.

Morrah’s H-W-S also indicates that he could line up in the slot and off the line and create some matchup issues.

by puerto on Apr 26, 2009 6:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Eric Berry is something I could fucks with.

Let’s see how he shapes up after this upcoming year.

I think Field gulls should do a annual thing where each year we keep tabs on certain coveted prospects throughout the following year.

Weez the juice!!

by Carl Shinyama on Apr 26, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

F'ing Patriots.

They always take the players that I want.

Like for example.. Vince Wilfork. Brandon Meriweather.

Weez the juice!!

by Carl Shinyama on Apr 26, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great idea.

Gerald McCoy
Colt McCoy
Sam Bradford
CJ Spiller
Taylor Mays

There’s my short-list at the moment.

by Misfit74 on Apr 26, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Think so?

I’m all for doing it.

Weez the juice!!

by Carl Shinyama on Apr 27, 2009 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes. please do.

I think it would be a fun way to also keep track of guys we could lose sight of between now and next year at this time. I’ll use it to keep tabs on guys here and there, while upgrading my list as new players catch my eye – if you decide to make a post.

by Misfit74 on Apr 27, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sweet.

I’ll add my list of players of interest to complement yours:

- Gerald McCoy
- Colt McCoy
- Sam Bradford
- CJ Spiller
- Eric Berry
- Jimmy Clausen (I know this won’t be popular, but I love his decision making skills)
- Russell Okung
- Ciron Black
- Major Wright
- LeGarrette Blount
- Arrelious Benn

Weez the juice!!

by Carl Shinyama on Apr 27, 2009 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Questions for John Morgan

First set of questions, I realize you might not have scouted Greene, but in your opinion, does he have a realistic chance of starting against the Rams in week 1 as the SS (with Grant moving to FS)? Or do you think the Seahawks will continue Grant/Russell or experiment with Grant (SS) /and Adams (FS)? Please offer what your instinct says the Seahawks will do, not what you would do (although I’d be fine hearing that too).

Second set of questions, Supposedly Gus Bradley is big on “interchangeable” safeties. I read above that Greene is a “pure” SS. Would that hurt his chances of starting for us? Also, is Adams capable of being a decent SS or do you think he’s a pure FS?

by kearly on Apr 26, 2009 7:12 PM PDT reply actions  

If that is in fact a pecking order...

…wouldn’t that be a huge promotion? What would have happened between the end of last year and this year to make this happen?

Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.

by iverson2169 on Apr 27, 2009 2:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not likely.

However, the change from Holmgren being in charge(wanting assignment-correct players) to the Secondary Coach being the new Head Coach(He should know what’s going on in the defensive backfield) could have something to do with it.

by cashless on Apr 27, 2009 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

When I paused and zoomed that video of the depth chart

it appeared to me that all of the safeties were listed under “FS” and there was no “SS” list. And, the comment that Bradley views all as interchangeable corroberates that. We can only guess why Adams was top of the list. In every other position, the depth chart looked correct, except CB, where they had Wilson above Trufant, followed by Jennings and Hobbs. Perhaps where there are two players, the 1st and 2nd position are immaterial, but it would mean that heading into the draft that Trufant and Wilson are starting corners and Adams and Grant are starting safeties. That does make sense if they’ve promoted Adams over Russell. We can only hope.

by diehard82 on Apr 27, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

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