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Aaron Curry Scouted Incorrectly?

Note of Qualification

I'd like to qualify my post by saying that I do not pret end to know what will be, and I do not claim that the opinion I am about to express is fact. I will offer it up as a point of debate, in an attempt to discuss what skill set Aaron Curry truly brings to the table.  I believe there is always more than meets the eye (or in this case... the stat sheet).

The Knock on Curry

It has been widely scouted that Aaron curry isn't an elite level pass rusher due to his low sack count.  Others have suggested that while "solid" in all areas, his game isn't that dynamic in that he isn't a difference maker.  His draft tags of "safe pick" and "solid" lead some to associate him with being "serviceable", "un-sexy", or lacking "playmaking ability".  Phrases like durable, intelligent, and productive are used and may unfairly convey that Aaron Curry is not explosive. I believe a closer look may reveal the exact opposite.

 

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Some Evidence

For a prospect who has been scouted as "less-than-spectacular" at creating pressure, there may be evidence that suggests the opposite.  While at Wake Forrest, Aaron curry rang up some very impressive and productive stats.  332 tackles is huge for a collegiate LB by anyones standards, but here are some forgotten tidbits:

 

  • 45.5 tackles for a loss!  That ranks #1 all-time at GT and most certainly requires the ability to penetrate and finish. A QB going down behind the line (sacked) achieves basically the same goal as a RB going down behind the line.  It forces the offense into uncomfortable (less manageable) down and distance situations.
  • 3 career INT's returned for a TD: ranks #1 all time at GT.  What's more, he returned 3 out of his 6 career INT's for TD's.  When he gets his hands on a pass, he changes games.  Alphonso Smith, the GT CB drafted this year with a first round grade didn't take that many to the house.

 

So why then does a guy with superior ability to penetrate into the backfield and drop RB's for a loss, not put up better sack totals where penetrating and dropping QB's is required?

A Word on Defensive Scheme and Sack Count

Unlike a Defensive lineman, a linebacker is somewhat limited to the context of the scheme he is playing in to register sacks.  While a DE can pin his ears back on most passing downs, a LB is obligated to blitz when asked to.  What were Curry's defined roles on passing downs?  I hestiate to suggest the following because I lack evidence, but how do we know that Aaron Curry didn't rush the passer more so than Aaron Curry can't rush the passer?  I would love to see a play by play assignment chart on AC. 

A final Word

I want to stop short of making a conclusion here.  My post is phrased as a question to encourage a group discussion about this.  I am hoping that putting several heads together can help explain why a player so dynamic in some areas (RB stuffs and defensive TD's) can post such pedestrian sack totals.

Scheme? 

Skill set?

 

 

 

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I believe it's WF's scheme

I know a coach isn’t going to say the 4th overall pick is lacking, but the coach said he could blitz, but he’d rather him drop back to coverage and have a lesser LB blitz, Why expose a matchup advantage for the offense?

I’ve seen highlight film of him blitzing. Most of it was free blitzing, I couldn’t see how he did engaged with a lineman or runningback/tight end, but he’s disruptive. Didn’t always get the sack, but he definitely pressured the QB, and he blasted the QB’s too.

by Trepidation on Apr 29, 2009 1:26 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Scheme

The key for me is tackles for loss. It’s not like the offense would have tried to protect the QB while letting Curry go after the RB unbloked. His tackles for loss stats are huge (admittedly, we haven’t got attempts, so he could have only a 50% strike rate when tackling behind the line – although this seems unlikely) suggesting when he tried to beat blockers, he did so very well. Therefore I think it’s most likely scheme – he wasn’t asked to rush the QB as often as cover the RB or TE/WR.

by JamesMurphy on Apr 29, 2009 6:25 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I must be missing something.

What does GT stand for?

McCoy McCoy 2010

by LantermanC on Apr 29, 2009 8:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That's what I thought, but I it says Wake Forest in the sentence before:
While at Wake Forrest, Aaron Curry rang up some very impressive and productive stats. 332 tackles is huge for a collegiate LB by anyones standards, but here are some forgotten tidbits:

 

    * 45.5 tackles for a loss! That ranks #1 all-time at GT

McCoy McCoy 2010

by LantermanC on Apr 29, 2009 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but he's abbreviating "Wake Forest" as "GT."

He knows what school Curry went to — it’s only when he abbreviates it that he gets it wrong.

by The Ancient Mariner on Apr 29, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah it was one of those deals...

Where I am so used to writing about Georgia Tech (as Wake hasn’t had many prospects) that it just came out that way in abbreviation.

Obviosly meant WF :)

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by iverson2169 on Apr 29, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 29, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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2/3 of the world is covered by water. The rest is covered by Marcus Trufant.

by Chickadee on Apr 29, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Game Thread.

McCoy McCoy 2010, also acceptable, Russell Okung, Ndamukong Suh, Dez Bryant, Ciron Black, Trent Williams, and Bryan Baluga.

by LantermanC on Apr 29, 2009 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In a post containing hundreds of words....

your going to drop an f-bomb on me for a single abbreviation mistake?

Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.

by iverson2169 on Apr 29, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But what is it?

2/3 of the world is covered by water. The rest is covered by Marcus Trufant.

by Chickadee on Apr 30, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Georgia Tech and Wake Forest confused.

McCoy McCoy 2010, also acceptable, Russell Okung, Ndamukong Suh, Dez Bryant, Ciron Black, Trent Williams, and Bryan Baluga.

by LantermanC on Apr 30, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the Wake Forest coach said that linebacker blitzing wasn't a big part of their defense.

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by crushedoptimist on Apr 29, 2009 8:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good points all around,

but to be honest, until he get some sacks, I’m going to assume that he’s not a great sack artist. There are guys with a ton of strength that can’t hit home runs, and guys with a ton of arm strength that can’t throw a catchable deep ball. I hope he does have some sack ability, though if we have a Leroy Hill, Just being a superb run stopper and an elite coverage guy / playmaker is good enough for me.

McCoy McCoy 2010

by LantermanC on Apr 29, 2009 8:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

In the clips I've seen...

I grok the difference between a “pass rusher” and a blitzer with Curry. He doesn’t flash classic rip, swim etc moves, at least partly because he doesn’t put his hand on the ground. But he is lightning fast to close once he diagnoses, both behind and past the line of scrimmage.

He’s “solid” in the sense he doesn’t have glaring weaknesses. But not in the sense of being merely “serviceable”. The dude is a fierce, sudden player. Happy to have him.

by Hawkdawg on Apr 29, 2009 9:27 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think you're right about that

Whether or not he’s a guy who could put his hand on the ground and rush from the DE position, he certainly looks like a heat-seeking missile going after the QB if he doesn’t have a blocker right in his face — and his rush is so explosive that if he doesn’t have a blocker right in his face, there aren’t too many players who’ll get in front of him in time to stop him.

by The Ancient Mariner on Apr 29, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As fans

we wanted Curry badly in Detroit. I was happy to see him go to Seattle. I think he’ll be a good fit. He should be a solid player with a few Pro-Bowls in him. He may not have been an established Pass-Rusher, but he’ll contribute from day 1. He rarely puts himself out of position and won’t make many mistakes. When the Seahawks play the Lions this year, I’ll be watching and silently hoping he has a good game. I just hope he doesn’t turn Stafford into the next Thiesmann.

by James L on Apr 29, 2009 1:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That's kind of how I feel about Julian Peterson

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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Apr 29, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A few points:

1) You are wondering why people knock his pass rush, when scheme may be a large reason for why his sack numbers aren’t eye-popping. The important thing to consider is that rushing the passer and tallying up sacks is an important part of virtually any scheme. If Curry was a beastly pass rusher than WF coaches would have to be moronic to not use him in that capacity and I don’t think scouts are going with that.

2) Speed and strength aren’t the only thing pass rush requires. It also requires insanely fast reflexes to get off the line the moment the ball is snapped. Also, as was pointed out, one needs to have some moves to get by the pass protection. Curry may develop in this capacity, but since he hasn’t showed either attribute much in college, he isn’t a sure-thing great pass rusher.

3) Blitzing usually entails taking a longer path to the QB, although one often doesn’t have to go through an O-lineman to get there. This is where Curry excels, as he is very fast and has good awareness of what path to take.

WF coaches may very well have felt that while Curry is a good passrusher, he is better utilized in space where his great awareness and speed can make a big impact. I expect things to be similar in Seattle.

I personally am not terribly concerned. We failed to get consistent pressure from our front four last year. Curry will look fantastic if we get pressure from our front four, if we aren’t, blitzing him all the time is not gonna right the ship.

by michaelfox99 on Apr 29, 2009 2:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

From what I saw of preview videos he played WAY off the LOS a lot.

Though that could have been because there’s so much spread offense in college football, he was lining up more in a coverage position.

You’d think with his speed we’d be able to blitz him from off the line, like we did with Hill. Just with better timing.

by djafrot on Apr 29, 2009 4:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm really not qualified to give anything more than a dimestore opinion...

…but my impression is that he didn’t have more sacks because he was not asked to rush the passer in Wake Forrest’s defense.

I seem to remember concerns that he can get a bit stiff when he has a QB cornered, get flat on his feet, and thereby potentially have a QB okie-doke him out of a sack, but that’s a minor complaint and can be fixed.

I think – if he’s asked to – he’ll do just fine at rushing the QB.

by KHF on Apr 29, 2009 9:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think we've been spoiled by Peterson's use as a 3rd down edge rusher

A linebacker out of a 4-3 typically isn’t used as a pass rusher. That’s the defensive ends job. Curry would be more valuable playing the pass and roaming the field. I guess it all comes down to whether or not our defensive ends show up.

I do however like the 3-3 nickel and then send one LB on a blitz. With Curry and Hill (if he resigns) and sometimes Tatupu that could wreak havoc on an offense not knowing who it’ll come from.

by B.B.Finnegan on Apr 30, 2009 9:07 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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