Brian Orakpo at Four
(Editor's note: After a lot of consideration, I've decided to do capsule previews for the remaining few weeks leading up to the draft. It will allow me to cram in more prospects, if each in less detail. The players Seattle select will get the full tape breakdown throughout May and likely into June.)
Brian Orakpo
Birthdate: July 31, 1986
Height/Weight: 6'3/263
Position: Defensive End
College: Texas, Played in 49 games
Notable Stats: 23 Sacks, 36 Quarterback Hurries, 34.5 tackles for a loss, 6 forced fumbles.
Combine: 4.70 forty, 39.5" vertical, 31 bench reps
My Take: I haven't spoken much about Orakpo, because I don't much want Seattle to draft Orakpo. That's not adequate, of course, and Orakpo is a legitimate target at four, or a couple picks later should Seattle trade down. The good news is that Orakpo is a beast when healthy. He has a rare blend of quickness and power and has enough of each to give most offensive tackles fits. He could be as good as Simeon Rice. Like Rice, Orakpo could contribute right away, beefing up Seattle's front four, and should Jackson develop, give Seattle an unrelenting rotation of defensive ends. Those expounding "win now" should love Orakpo, because he's the pick that's most likely to take an existing Seahawks unit and make it elite.
The downside is Seattle doesn't need a defensive end, he marginalizes or forces out Baraka Atkins, he marginalizes Darryl Tapp and maybe Lawrence Jackson, and he has an extensive and worrisome injury history. If we assume Cory Redding will play end in some capacity, Seattle has five starting capable defensive ends. Orakpo and Patrick Kerney would be the starters, Redding, Jackson and Tapp would cycle in and Atkins would be...cut? Seattle ran a three man rotation in 2008, and finding snaps for Jackson and Tapp would be difficult enough. Atkins would be scrapping for snaps and more likely deactivated. That's a shame, because Atkins is the kind of player you draft at 23 so he can produce when he's 25. In limited opportunities, he began to produce in 2008. He ranked third on the team in sacks per snap (1 per 109.5), behind Brandon Mebane (107.3) and Patrick Kerney (72.6). He flashed some speed off the snap to complement his very good athleticism and size, and though he lacks strength, he has the lanky build and easy musculature to grow stronger as he ages.
Orakpo has suffered two knee injuries in the past two seasons. He signed with Texas 50 pounds lighter than his current weight, and it's possible he's bulked up beyond his body's capabilities. He's weight room strong.
He likely forces Tapp out after this season, preventing Seattle from signing Tapp or just preventing Tapp from choosing to sign with Seattle. Tapp wants a shot to start and you can't blame him. That's an expensive exchange and without sure benefit.
If Seattle thinks Orakpo is the best player available at four, it still does not fully justify the move. Injuries make the downside immense, and the net benefit is only valuable if Orakpo proves to be something special. "Winning now" is a flawed concept. When a team that wins its first eighteen games of the season can't secure a Super Bowl victory, the better strategy is to maximize opportunities not take one. Big. Swing. At immortality. Orakpo is an interesting prospect and one whose talent deserves top ten consideration, but I don't think he's the right pick for Seattle at four.
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Except for the injury concern, I love everything about Orakpo.
I wouldn’t mind taking him if we hadn’t taken Lawrence Jackson last year. But since we did, I’d rather pass.
Redding is a free agent next year
and the team should be able to cut Kerney next year. That’d leave the Hawks with the option of bringing back Tapp, LoJack, Atkins and Orakpo. So a defensive end this year might not be that terrible of a move, although I’d rather have Brown considering Orakpo’s injuries.
I would hate drafting Orakpo.
And I don’t see how he in any way adds to a win now because of the unlikelihood he does anything at all in his rookie season while moving down players more ready to start.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
I'm out.
Several guys I’d rather draft than him, especially at 1.04
I’m glad for what was stated in your editor’s note. I look forward to more post like this.
I can see Nate Dogg’s perspective, but think we’re sitting pretty good at DE. No sense in reducing the playing time of developing and talented guys we already have.
Orakpo is a beast.
He would definitely detract from the “soft” label Seattle seems to get from the mouth-pieces that be. I still would take Curry (if available).
Cogito Ergo Sum
Not a fan.
One of the knacks against him is he plays hard 90% of the time and takes the other 10% of the time off. I’d rather get a guy play hard all the time. But it would fit the Ruskell signature to draft one defensive end per draft.
Hell no!
Orkapo is falling in the draft…Draft Beanie Wells and cut Julius Jones and TJ Duckett and sign Ken Lucas and DJ Hackett. Beanie Wells is Jones/Duckett in one and they can use Justin Forsett as there 3rd down back…and then use the salary for real needs like CB and insurance WR that know the Seattle system. It’s rare that a specimen like Wells comes around. 6.4 with 4.35-4.4 speed doesn’t happen in our league. Imagine Brandon Jacobs running like Adrian Peterson. We need to make defenses key on a real threat in the backfield and then give our receivers a chance to get coverage with a man in the box. Chung and/or Hamlin will be available in the 3rd round. Signing Hackett and Lucas allows us to not waste a pick at the 3rd round for those positions. We can then draft either Duke Robinson in the 2nd Round or Clay Mathews/ Brian Cushing in the 2nd round. Talk about addressing all our needs. Juluis “fumble at critical times” Jones and TJ “1 yard” Duckett are a waste of salary cap space.
Wow
Since when does 6’1 as measured at his combine and pro day turn into 6’4"?
I wouldn't want a 6'4" RB anyway,
it’d be too hard for them to get low.
by SeaTownBlueDevil on Apr 7, 2009 3:35 AM PDT up reply actions
GREAT point. I don't either Brian...
It seems as though selective memory hits at the worst possible times. Seattle’s offensive line had ZERO cohesion last year, to go along with a WR group that nobody respected, and a backup QB. Not exactly the formula for success in the running game.
On top of that, Mo Morris was better than SA
near the end of SA being here, and Julius Jones was clearly better than Mo Mo behind the same linemen, while Duckett was successful at everything he was asked to do.
I am excited to see the two of them with a heavier dose of zone blocking, and believe that they will make a good bridge from the former system to the current system, as well as to the next great HB(’s) in 2-3 seasons.
I'm not so sure JJ was "clearly" better than Mo Mo.
At least Holmgren didn’t think so. I think Mo Mo was more effective, or at worst, equivalent to JJ. He offered a lot more pass-catching out of the backfield, which I something I think we critically needed last year after losing all our WRs, and will still need next year.
by SeaTownBlueDevil on Apr 7, 2009 3:39 AM PDT up reply actions
JJ got in Holmgren's dog house
and once your in that dog house, it’s hard to get back out. So Mo Mo got a lot more carries.
JJ got more carries than Mo Mo.
158 to 132. They had almost equal YPC. Mo Mo got a lot more snaps, because he could catch a lot better than JJ. He only had 19 catches to Julius’ 14, but he averaged 7.5 YPC to Julius’ 4ish.
by SeaTownBlueDevil on Apr 8, 2009 3:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Beanie Well?
Come on man. That’s insanity. Wells is a fragile, overrated crybaby who’s not even the best back in the draft.
Cut Duckett and JJ, sign Lucas and Hackett? For what? So Lucas can run the ball on 3rd and short and Hackett can sit on the bench with a high ankle sprain?
This reeks of ESPN message board advice.
It's great to be a Florida Gator!
by Wayward Llama on Apr 7, 2009 3:24 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Crybaby"?
Is there anything to back that up? From everything I’ve heard, he seems to be a pretty even-keeled guy.
by SeaTownBlueDevil on Apr 7, 2009 3:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Even keeled maybe
But he spent a lot of time on the sidelines with questionable injuries. If we must take a HB at 4, it better be Moreno.
It's great to be a Florida Gator!
by Wayward Llama on Apr 7, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Like Llama said, he also spent signficant time on the sidelines due to injury aside from his missed games.
I’m not big on drafting another DE but if we must I’d much rather have Everette Brown.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 7, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions
*Slaps forehead*
RB, Moreno.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 7, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I see Moreno as a playmaker, a game changer.
I see Wells as more a plodding,bruising, Duckett type. (Which we don’t need another of)
It's great to be a Florida Gator!
by Wayward Llama on Apr 7, 2009 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm a huge fan of Wells,
but he’s not as god-like as you make him out to be. “6.4 with 4.35-4.4 speed” is really 6’1" with 4.53 speed – doesn’t sound all that great on paper, but he’s a hard upright runner like Peterson, and I think in three years, he’ll be the second-best player out of this draft, behind Crabtree. The only reason I wouldn’t want to take him at #4 is that I don’t think you should ever take a RB that high, especially one with any injury concerns whatsoever. Not to mention, they have a pretty short shelf-life.
by SeaTownBlueDevil on Apr 7, 2009 3:46 AM PDT up reply actions
ever take a RB that high, especially one with any injury concerns whatsoever. Not to mention, they have a pretty short shelf-life.
I don’t know about ever , but certainly not one in this draft. So many say he has injury concerns, but a lot has been said questioning his toughness and desire. That’s not something Moreno doesn’t lack, which is are just some reasons I like him better. Plus, along with Moreno, there are other backs that could really flourish in the passing game. I don’t know that about Wells. Those guys would be overdrafted at 1.04, when there are plenty of backs to be had later if we draft smart. Someone like Jennings could last ’till round 3 or later.
Um
His Pro Day he ran between a 4.36(his hand-timed “official time”) and a 4.4. The 40 time is legit, just his sudden growth to 6’4" brings HGH concerns with it, or perhaps radiation exposure.
4.53 40 at the combine
jenkins also had a 2 tenths improvement from combine to pro-day, so it sounds like a fast track to me.
John
I am wondering if you are going to talk about Louis Delmas at all? I know practically nothing about him, yet he is ahead of Chung on most of the made-up rankings, and supposedly is a 235ish lb FS type that hits like a truck and covers like a FS.
However, that does not jive with being mocked out of the 1st round when the end of the 1st round is somewhat weak anyway. I have not had a chance to look up his highlights, but feel as though that will tell me little anyway.
Delmas is very intriguing.
For the obvious reason that he plays Brian Russel’s position. Although nothing concrete to verify this, there has been talk of Grant moving back to the previously mentioned FS position, where he might be a more natural fit. That’s why SS’s have been more closely looked at, so far, I would venture to say. However, Delmas looks quite good. 4-year starter, but at a small(er) school.
Hmm, looking him up he's not the 235 lb guy
Perhaps it’s William Moore, although he did not weigh in at that kind of size.
I interviewed Delmas in late March...
…link here. I really think he’s mis-classified as a hitting safety. He’s probably best in coverage of any safety in this draft, but I have some questions about his ability to wrap up and stop people. Even his highlights show iffy technique in this regard. That’s not a problem because he is so good in coverage, but if he hits like a truck, it’s not a big one!
I think Delmas might be better in a situation where the safeties are less interchangeable and the roles are better-defined.
Except for the small school thing,
he sounds like he might be a Ruskell guy. People have questions about his size? (Wilson, Jennings, Tatupu, check), good attitude (runs youth camp, check), plays defense, check.
An idea I’m most intrigued about however is getting a guy like William Moore or Ellison, or some other big safety, and playing him as a passing downs linebacker, since we seemed to really struggle on 3rd downs (might be an unfounded statement).
It is possible that we would go for a safety that would be interchangable
if we are headed to more cover-2 type fundamentals in the defensive backfield as we are hearing. However, I would expect them to want a guy who can also be a SS in a traditional 4-3 defense so that he can play in the box and be a strength, not a liability.
Well, it's gonna be a while...
…since we haven’t actually, y’know, started work on it yet. We generally go with the draft panic first, then the book panic. ‘Bout the usual time, I’d expect.
If Orakpo is a Simeon Rice clone
wouldn’t that be enough to justify drafting him? Or is a Simeon Rice type ceiling not enough for the 4th pick?
I don’t mean to suggest that Orakpo is a sure thing. I’m just talking in terms of upside. Does the prospect of drafting a DE that could be as good as Rice warrant the 4th pick in the draft?
Gholston doesn't seem like a fair comparative upside...
…becasue Orakpo isn’t the workout warrior whose stock rose. His on-field production made him a top pick before the combine. If Orakpo were to fail (entirely likely), I would think it would be along the lines of a Courtney Brown (injury issues) and not Gholston (seemingly aptitude issues).
Just a thought?
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