NFC West Roundtable: Quarterback
The four NFC West blogs, Revenge of the Birds, Niners Nation, Turf Show Times and Field Gulls, are running position roundtables starting today with the most important position on the field the quarterback. Each blogger gives and an individual grade (A through F), but we collectively rank them.
Arizona Cardinals
Blogger: cgolden
The Cardinals boasted one of the most prolific passing attacks in 2008 thanks to two great receivers and a QB who stayed in the MVP-talk for part of the season. Kurt Warner returns another year older and he'll attempt to do something that he's never done before, stay healthy for two consecutive seasons. If he can stay relatively healthy, the Cardinals offense will remain among the league's best. His arm still has plenty of zip and his accuracy has few rivals, but if he were to go down for any extended period of time, plenty of questions would be raised. Matt Leinart has the tools to be a quality starting QB and by all accounts he's matured a great deal over the past season, but he's got to prove it on the field for anyone outside the organization to believe. Still though as backup quarterbacks go, he's got to be considered above average and Brian St. Pierre (3rd QB) is at least a guy who know's Ken Whisenhunt's system very, very well. Grade: A
Seattle Seahawks
Blogger: John Morgan
The high-range for Seattle is high B, with Matt Hasselbeck regaining his 2007 form and Seneca Wallace retaining some of his 2008 gains. Hasselbeck would again keep drives alive with a quick and decisive read, chew yardage with short passes and put himself at the edge of elite with one of the five best mid-range passes in the NFL. He would sync with possession receiver with benefits TJ Houshmandzadeh, exchanging long protein strands across markers and around befuddled cornerbacks, and build long drives from short completions. Deion Branch would take Beck’s mistakes to the bank and those mistakes would be bankable mistakes, not WWTBAWGS mistakes. Hasselbeck would find a late-career balance between quixotic rollouts ending in game changing interceptions and terrified fetal collapses at the hint of pressure. Maybe most importantly in light of last season and him being 34, Hasselbeck would have the gun. He might not make all the throws but he’d make the throws he needed and not be betrayed by poor zip masquerading as poor decision making. And it would be good. And Matt Hasselbeck would not just be a championship caliber quarterback, but an asset to a championship caliber team.
The low end range for Seattle is D. Below average creeping towards failure. Given Hasselbeck’s age, three year averages and surrounding talent, this is an equal if not more likely possibility. If he wasn’t pimping myoplex or hadn’t been to the Super Bowl, it might be easier to see Hasselbeck closer to what he is: A once very good quarterback that’s probably more Mark Brunell than John Elway. I’m willing to swallow his back is alright for now, but Seattle lacks the line to ensure that, and if his back kicks up again, he might not start, and it might be best for Seattle he doesn’t. Injured Hasselbeck is beyond ineffective, he’s damaging. Hasselbeck never had the best short pass and robbed of his mid-range zip, he becomes a game manager quarterback. He becomes a game manager quarterback in denial. He throws game ending interceptions like he did in weeks 11 and 12.
Seneca Wallace is close to a constant. He’s a helluva backup. His wheels are over-glossed, but his arm is underrated. He has zip, zip on the move and an honest-to-goodness deep pass. He’s not great and more precisely, he’s not a starter. He’s a poor decision maker and can’t shake the habit of staring down receivers. It leads to what looks like drops, but are in fact late passes punished. Mike Holmgren ran a nerfed offense for Wallace, but in it’s protected confines, he looked for maybe the first time like an NFL caliber quarterback. An unsustainably low interception rate and receiver run after the catch inflate his numbers, but even still he had a helluva nice season for a backup.
So top ten potential and a sucky, contention-crippling floor, that’s Seattle’s quarterback situation in a nutshell. Grade: C
Turf Show Times
Blogger: VanRam
After a career year in 2006 and a big new contract in the months after, Marc Bulger quickly became a focal point for criticism as the Rams struggled through the last two seasons. Fourth quarter collapses, untimely interceptions, throwing off his toes...Bulger has really struggled and now finds himself in a make or break situation with the Rams new coaching staff/front office. The biggest problem for Bulger has been the players in front of him. Prior to last season, Orlando Pace played in no more than 8 games since the 2005 season. His decline coincided with general neglect for the offensive line, making Bulger the most sacked QB in the league over the last three years. His stats make it look like he's finished, but with an upgraded offensive line he can hopefully regain his confidence and spend a lot less time on his back. It's worked for other QBs: see Warner, Kurt. I'm one of those who thinks that Bulger can rebound, but you can't grade on potential, especially in May.
The backup QB situation has improved for the Rams. Bringing in Kyle Boller to replace Trent Green should help keep the offense moving along should Bulger go down without too much of a hiccup, certainly less so than the oft-concussed Trent Green. Boller's skill set is well-suited to the Rams run-centric offense.
Battling it out for the third QB spot is long-time third QB Brock Berlin and sixth round pick Keith Null, the West Texas A&M passer that surprised more than a few with his selection in the draft. Null looks to be a good fit for the West Coast offense, and the coaches have liked what they've seen from him thus far. The odds are certainly on Null to claim the third spot, but his future probably peaks as a backup.
I'd like to give the Rams QBs an incomplete, but I won't. Grade: C
San Francisco 49ers
Blogger: Fooch
This is one of the toughest positions to grade for the 49ers. Most non-49ers fans would give it a D at best, and even some current 49ers would prefer anything but the current situation. I, on the other hand, am a bit more optimistic. The stable of 49ers QBs includes Shaun Hill, Alex Smith, Nate Davis and Damon Huard. Huard is likely training camp fodder so we'll ignore him for this piece. Smith was anointed the golden boy back in 2005 and has had an up and down career so far. He looked ready to break out under Norv Turner in 2006, but since then has seen his career practically destroyed by numerous injuries. He re-worked his deal so he could stick around and compete with Shaun Hill for the starting job.
Hill is the proverbial people's champ at QB. He lacks what you would call "sound mechanics" and he is a notorious bad practice player. However, when game time arrives, he is out there making plays. He is 7-3 as the 49ers starter and the players seem to rally around him. The 49ers are on their fifth offensive coordinator in as many years, only this one seems more content with a ball control offense that doesn't require a lot of big plays from the QB. This could be right in Shaun Hill's wheelhouse. The 49ers have been at their best and most efficient with him running the show and yet he still has to win the job in training camp.
Nate Davis was drafted as a low risk, high reward QB of the future. The 49ers have time to develop him and so barring calamitous injuries, Davis will do no more than hold a clipboard in 2009. His draft stock has jumped up and down the last couple years so it's hard to assess what he could bring long term. For this year though, he will have no impact.
Consider this grade one for just this year and not considering the future. I am convinced that Shaun Hill can be the short-term answer at QB for the 49ers. He's not the most talented QB in the league by a long stretch, but he just continues to make plays. If he can do enough in training camp to hold down the job, I don't see him losing it this year barring injury. Grade: B
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I saw this on the other three NFC West blogs.
I was wondering when it would come up here.
They all have polls, but there’s really no point since the trend (SSS) seems to be Arizona first, fans’ team second.
Are the grades just from each respective blogger? Or an average of the 4 bloggers grades? It’s a weird day when you see the combo of Shaun Hill and Alex Smith rated higher than Hasselbeck/Seneca or Bulger/Boller.
2010 Seahawks Mock: 1A: Eric Berry S, 1B: Ndamukong Suh DT, 2: Charles Brown OT, 4:Zac Robinson QB, 5: Stafon Johnson RB 6: Will Tukuafu DE, 7: Kerry Meier WR
Also acceptable, trade for Patrick Chung and draft Ed Wang so everyone can Wang Chung tonight.
by LantermanC on May 15, 2009 2:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That was Fooch's take
and I told him I thought it was crazy, but he is entitled to his opinion.
by John Morgan on May 15, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of these things is not like the other
Three of these things are kinda the same.
by robbbbbb on May 15, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's a pretty generous grade Fooch gave his team's QB situation.
by BrianL on May 15, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say the niners have the worst situation, by far.
by redwolf75 on May 15, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about compared to all the teams?
Who has a worse situation than the Niners?
Shaun Hill and Alex Smith with Nate Davis in the wings? Or Tavaris and Sage? Or Orton?
You might be right, except for Minnesota, I think they do have the worst situation in the entire NFL.
2010 Seahawks Mock: 1A: Eric Berry S, 1B: Ndamukong Suh DT, 2: Charles Brown OT, 4:Zac Robinson QB, 5: Stafon Johnson RB 6: Will Tukuafu DE, 7: Kerry Meier WR
Also acceptable, trade for Patrick Chung and draft Ed Wang so everyone can Wang Chung tonight.
by LantermanC on May 15, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Denver does
since they have less talent at the position, and the ghost of Jay Cutler looming over it in the fans’ minds.
by The Ancient Mariner on May 15, 2009 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have Crabtree.
Every pass will be a touchdown.
It's great to be a Florida Gator!
by Wayward Llama on May 16, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Small Sample Size.
2010 Seahawks Mock: 1A: Eric Berry S, 1B: Ndamukong Suh DT, 2: Charles Brown OT, 4:Zac Robinson QB, 5: Stafon Johnson RB 6: Will Tukuafu DE, 7: Kerry Meier WR
Also acceptable, trade for Patrick Chung and draft Ed Wang so everyone can Wang Chung tonight.
by LantermanC on May 18, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cardinals an A? Horse-Pucky.
Take Fitz, Boldin and Breaston – and a decent pass-blocking line – away from Warner and let’s see what he’s got. That’s not saying that he’s terrible, or even less than very good, but considering Leinart has showed almost nothing so far, a B is what I’d give them.
by djafrot on May 15, 2009 2:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I sort of agree.
Warner is good, but he’s still a risk and he could be a product of his system. It really depends on how good of a backup you think Leinart is as well.
How many teams have better QB situations than Arizona? Indy, since Manning is never injured. NE, SD, NO, maybe, though they don’t have a good backup?
2010 Seahawks Mock: 1A: Eric Berry S, 1B: Ndamukong Suh DT, 2: Charles Brown OT, 4:Zac Robinson QB, 5: Stafon Johnson RB 6: Will Tukuafu DE, 7: Kerry Meier WR
Also acceptable, trade for Patrick Chung and draft Ed Wang so everyone can Wang Chung tonight.
by LantermanC on May 15, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chicago, Pittsburgh, Dallas, Atlanta and Philadelphia
by John Morgan on May 15, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with GB, since I like their backups.
Chicago I left off since we’ll have to see how good Cutler plays with a lesser supporting cast (though Warner didn’t play with a lesser supporting cast). I guess the question would be is Cutler and Warner’s age difference enough to offset the difference between Leinart and Grossman/Leak (whoever Chicago’s backup QB is).
Pittsburgh. I hate Big Ben and cannot discuss him rationally.
Dallas, I love Romo, but we saw what happened last year when he went down. The teams offense was worse than the Lions’.
Atlanta, you predicted Matt Ryan to have a sophomore slump, I think the same.
Philadelphia, possibly. McNabb does have less to work with. But Leinart>Kolb?
2010 Seahawks Mock: 1A: Eric Berry S, 1B: Ndamukong Suh DT, 2: Charles Brown OT, 4:Zac Robinson QB, 5: Stafon Johnson RB 6: Will Tukuafu DE, 7: Kerry Meier WR
Also acceptable, trade for Patrick Chung and draft Ed Wang so everyone can Wang Chung tonight.
by LantermanC on May 15, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you are overvaluing backup quarterbacks
Kurt Warner is a month away from 38. I would have given them a C..maybe B. There’s tons of teams with better quarterback situations than Arizona. I might even include Baltimore, Houston, Jacksonville, the Giants and the Redskins.
by John Morgan on May 15, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm definitely overvaluing them.
I suppose the grade also depends as to how valuable the long term is for a team. Arizona could just be grading this year’s situation.
With Hasselbeck, Brady, and Carson Palmer, I’m just being extra cautious though. Same goes for Dallas’ situation. If they go from top 5 offense to bottom 5 offense just because Romo, a scrambler, gets injured, I’m downgrading their QB situation a lot, since all it takes is a thumb strain to make 45% of their team useless (I’m going to give special teams 10%).
2010 Seahawks Mock: 1A: Eric Berry S, 1B: Ndamukong Suh DT, 2: Charles Brown OT, 4:Zac Robinson QB, 5: Stafon Johnson RB 6: Will Tukuafu DE, 7: Kerry Meier WR
Also acceptable, trade for Patrick Chung and draft Ed Wang so everyone can Wang Chung tonight.
by LantermanC on May 15, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think what John's saying is that risk is not evenly distributed across all teams.
Kurt Warner’s age makes it far likelier that Leinert gets significant playing time than, say, Grossman (or whoever’s behind Cutler).
by sammy on May 15, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mainly discounted Cutler
because of his supporting cast downgrade. I think he’s great. I just have serious concerns about how well he will play with no WRs to throw to and a worse offensive line.
2010 Seahawks Mock: 1A: Eric Berry S, 1B: Ndamukong Suh DT, 2: Charles Brown OT, 4:Zac Robinson QB, 5: Stafon Johnson RB 6: Will Tukuafu DE, 7: Kerry Meier WR
Also acceptable, trade for Patrick Chung and draft Ed Wang so everyone can Wang Chung tonight.
by LantermanC on May 15, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn't say much about the quarterback
and I’m always surprised that people think Cutler had a great surrounding cast.
2007: 3497 yards
by John Morgan on May 15, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Marshall is a top 5 WR.
And Scheffler is great.
Not to mention the Raiders and Chiefs are horrendous at defense.
We’ll see though. Like I said, I think Cutler is good. But uncertainty is uncertainty, which lessens his value in my mind. Plus I have a man crush on Warner.
2010 Seahawks Mock: 1A: Eric Berry S, 1B: Ndamukong Suh DT, 2: Charles Brown OT, 4:Zac Robinson QB, 5: Stafon Johnson RB 6: Will Tukuafu DE, 7: Kerry Meier WR
Also acceptable, trade for Patrick Chung and draft Ed Wang so everyone can Wang Chung tonight.
by LantermanC on May 15, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, DYAR is defense adjusted and
Oakland had a 13th ranked pass defense.
As for Marshall, I don’t buy his DYAR being a fully accurate measure of his ability, but he was 42nd and 58th in DVOA. Cutler certainly didn’t suffer much when he was suspended in week one.
by John Morgan on May 15, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, yeah. Who needs to pass on Oakland
when you can run train all over that ghastly run defense?
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on May 15, 2009 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If an elite offensive line, terrific running game, and fantastic receiving corps doesn't constitute
a great surrounding cast, I don’t know what does.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on May 15, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes...but
Many of the posts so far in this thread seem to be regarding the team rather than the QB situation. Is this just the evolution of the discussion, or are people missing the mark about what the subject is?
Maybe I’m missing the point, but aren’t we supposed to more or less isolate the QB situation from everything else?
It would be nice to have parameters such as ‘this year’ ‘next 3 years’ or ‘long-term’.
*This year: *
Warner
Hasselbeck
Bulger
Hill
No QBs have a real long-term outlook. I could see the whole division of starting QBs be different in two years.
Team QB situation (starter, backup, QB depth)
Seattle – Wallace proven capable and has a sample size enough to for now elevate him over the other backups in the division.
Arizona – Leinart I think the jury is still out on and I think he could become a nice starter – nothing really to go on yet, though.
St. Louis – Boller? Hmm. Seems like a Rex Grossman-type but better than a number of team’s backups around the league. At least has a bit of an arm. Wouldn’t want him starting for long.
San Francisco – Hill should not be too concered about his job (this year). The rest of that bunch are scrubs. Maybe Nate Davis will prevent them from drafting a top QB next year in front of us?
by Misfit74 on May 15, 2009 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except he didn't have any of those.
by John Morgan on May 15, 2009 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correct me if I'm wrong here.
Cutler was sacked less than 15 times last season, and despite a round-robin of random runningbacks their ground game still averaged a ridiculous 4.8 YPC, good for somewhere in the top 5 in the league of that stat. Brandon Marshall kicked ass (and I thought he was underrated as hell even before last season), Eddie Royal immediately became a fantastic #2 WR, and Tony Scheffler is pretty decent.
I don’t see how that doesn’t reinforce what I said.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on May 15, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could be a product of his sytem?
I doubt it. More like a product of his personnel, when he’s on, it’s because he’s had such a very strong support group.
Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.
by Carl Shinyama on May 16, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WWTBAWGS
Ha’bwwwaaahhhtttt?
2/3 of the world is covered by water. The rest is covered by Marcus Trufant.
by Chickadee on May 15, 2009 3:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm so lost
You’ve still got me thrown for a loop, bawse.
2/3 of the world is covered by water. The rest is covered by Marcus Trufant.
by Chickadee on May 15, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think along the lines of Seattle -vs- GB playoff game. [Infamous Hasselbeck quote.]
"And the life of man, solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and short." Thomas Hobbes' "Leviathan"
"But, in spite of these things, it was a gay and magnificent revel." Edgar Allen Poe "The Masque of the Red Death"
by Grimm Blackwood on May 16, 2009 7:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't get it at first...
but now I’m laughing (and hoping the worst case scenario John described never comes true) .
by Professor on May 17, 2009 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
San Fran - B
Word..?
Whatd you give them John
by SPENCEMAN on May 15, 2009 4:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If we split it into fifths
I would give the 49ers an “F”.
by John Morgan on May 15, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
what, no mention of Mike Teel, soon to be savior of the franchise when Hass goes down?
Just kidding. Good fair relatively homerism free analysis all around. Except Fooch, but that’s been stated. Cards could be argued down a little, but you can’t argue against their passing attack. No pluses or minuses?
by B.B.Finnegan on May 15, 2009 4:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well if San Fran thinks having Nate Davis is so amazing
And he only went one round infront of Teel, doesn’t even use the laces, and I think is actually legally retarded (iirc) then we shoulda said something about him
by SPENCEMAN on May 15, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
He has a learning disability. I wouldn’t make a claim about his intelligence without strong support.
by John Morgan on May 15, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excuse me?
Dyslexia has ZERO bearing on intellect. It is not directly proportional to intelligence by ANY stretch of the imagination. My ex-finance’ has dyslexia, [and, I read FOR HER through her prerequisite Eng. Composition (I & II) and English Lit. classes when we were both undergraduates, and she had impeccable retention and comprehension.] and she has a Ph.D. now.
Not too bad for a “retard,” eh? Do you, by any chance have your Doctorate?
I sport a prosthetic leg, myself. So, there are a lot of people around who aren’t as crystalline perfect as yourself.
"And the life of man, solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and short." Thomas Hobbes' "Leviathan"
"But, in spite of these things, it was a gay and magnificent revel." Edgar Allen Poe "The Masque of the Red Death"
by Grimm Blackwood on May 15, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said if I remember correctly
I remember someone telling me he was legally retarded, wasn’t meant to be an insult.
by SPENCEMAN on May 16, 2009 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it's a sensitive matter
and your source is “if I remember correctly someone told me”, it’s better to not say it.
by John Morgan on May 16, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No worries, man...
just food for thought. I went a big overboard, myself. Let’s both chalk it up to last season’s misery on the field! I blame everything on last season these days, lol… 4 – 12 makes for a great scapegoat.
"And the life of man, solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and short." Thomas Hobbes' "Leviathan"
"But, in spite of these things, it was a gay and magnificent revel." Edgar Allen Poe "The Masque of the Red Death"
by Grimm Blackwood on May 16, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FYI, Seneca Wallace has the same disability.
by jteckmann on May 15, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, really?
Doesn’t Frank Gore have it, too?
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on May 15, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seneca has the same problem
So if you’re going to downgrade SF for that with their 3rd string, Seattle takes a bigger hit with their 2nd string.
by Groundhog on May 15, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That laces thing is weird though, huh?
by Nate Dogg on May 15, 2009 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, I kind of wanted Nate Davis.
Like Fooch said, low risk but high upside.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on May 15, 2009 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
John, I appreciate your non-homer take on the Hawks.
That appears to be a significant difference with several of the other “analysts”. A 38 year old Kurt Warner who has had a propensity for missing time within effective years is not an “A”. Shaun Hill (suppresses belly laugh) is definitely not a “B”.
I’ll wait for the next installment, where Arizona has an “A” running game with Chris Wells and SF has an “A” offensive line.
"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch
by crushedoptimist on May 15, 2009 5:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I was going to say the same thing re unbiased analysis. Comparing AZ and Seattle:
Who would you rather have as starter entering the year? Warner, but it’s relatively close. Warner at his career best was surely better than Beck at his. But Warner’s, what, four years older and has a history of injury concerns himself. Warner was better last year by far, but the wheels have to come off (again) at some point.
Backup? I’d take Wallace in a heartbeat, in terms of the likelihood that he does not completely debilitate his team if/when called upon in 2009.
If Seattle’s a C (which I think is fair, although I might have shaded toward C+ because I am a homer and like Hasselbeck) then AZ is probably a B. Post-Superbowl + 38-yr-old QB = serious risk of problems. But then, I’m a homer.
by jeager on May 15, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
San Fran a B? ....Really?
You’ve got to be kidding me. This team is in shambles at QB, and has been since before Rocky Bernard crushed Alex Smith’s shoulder into the core of the earth. That belly-flop, by the way… was perhaps the greatest sack I’ve ever witnessed in my life. If “F” [force] = “M” [mass] x “V2” [velocity squared] then all 300+ lbs. of Rocky Bernard running at you virtually unblocked like a rabid rhinoceros = ABSOLUTE DOOM!!!!
Shaun who?
Really, now… a “B”?
"And the life of man, solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and short." Thomas Hobbes' "Leviathan"
"But, in spite of these things, it was a gay and magnificent revel." Edgar Allen Poe "The Masque of the Red Death"
by Grimm Blackwood on May 15, 2009 5:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I am resisting the urge to post that picture of the sack.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on May 15, 2009 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha!!
Give in to your desires, young Skywalker!!
"And the life of man, solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and short." Thomas Hobbes' "Leviathan"
"But, in spite of these things, it was a gay and magnificent revel." Edgar Allen Poe "The Masque of the Red Death"
by Grimm Blackwood on May 15, 2009 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
best decription I ever heard
was that Rocky looked like he had just been dropped out of the sky on top of him.
That sack was glorious, and like was said I can think of few other instances were one play has so visibly demoralized and altered the course of another franchise.
by jteckmann on May 15, 2009 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to admit, I thought that sack was amazing.
Probably my favorite play of the last 3 seasons. You’re right, all that sack stood for was just fantastic. The 49ers have been in a tailspin ever since.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on May 15, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"If he can do enough in training camp to hold down the job, I don't see him losing it this year barring injury. Grade: B"
If you’re not sure the predicted starting quarterback for your team will win the job in training camp you don’t have a very good QB situation.
by Nate Dogg on May 15, 2009 5:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Face it Nate Dogg, you're just a hater
Shaun Hill is going to explode on the scene like Vesuvius housed in Krakatoa housed in Olympus Mons. Duh.
by John Morgan on May 15, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's that in DYAR?
"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch
by crushedoptimist on May 15, 2009 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I quickly scrolled down to see San Francisco's grade before reading the entire post, expecting to see an "F"
After I saw what it was I quickly burst out into uncontrollable laughter.
Also, Arizona’s QB situation is nowhere near an A. Kurt Warner is 38. 38! Nearly 40! He could fall off the face of the planet next season statistically without any obvious reason and it shouldn’t surprise anyone one bit. Plus, when you add in his ridiculous injury history and performance while banged up, and you’ve got a QB that causes the entire coaching staff to hold their breath every time he takes a hit.
That, and the fact that Leinart has looked pretty bad in his playing time, to the point where he still lost a starting job that was gifted to him in the last offseason to that old dinosaur, and now he’s not even the guaranteed backup QB because the organization has so little faith in him they announced it open competition between him and Brian St. Pierre.
In all seriousness, the Seahawks probably have the best QB situation in the NFC West. Not great by any means and like John says, it’s probably a C (though I’d give it a low B-ish, even if the difference is negligible), but that’s still equal if not better than everyone elses.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on May 15, 2009 6:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't really see the point of these ratings
If two of the four making them aren’t in touch with reality.
by jb3 on May 15, 2009 7:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
At least the rams guy was pretty realistic.
Ugh that was painful to say. I need to go yell at a Rams fan or something so I don’t feel so dirty for complimenting something related to the Rams.
by Fear on May 15, 2009 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually think the Rams could be a bit higher
Marc Bulger is a good QB, or used to be after years of getting the crap beat out of him. He’s always gotten the crap beat out of him though, even in his best year he got sacked 49 times, but he looked particularly demoralized these past two seasons. Maybe it’s finally take its toll. Still a pretty good QB I think, his weapons and protection just aren’t there, but shouldn’t these ratings be based solely on the QB’s? I’d be very tempted to give the Rams a B. I don’t know, maybe not. Bulger’s status is a lot like Hasselbecks this year, could go either way in the direction of a B or a D depending.
by B.B.Finnegan on May 15, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh, I'm leaning on D.
Bulger’s outlook doesn’t look optimistic to me at all. Kyle Boller sucks.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on May 15, 2009 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check out this Niners Highlight Reel
In my opinion the best thing the team has ever done.
2/3 of the world is covered by water. The rest is covered by Marcus Trufant.
by Chickadee on May 15, 2009 8:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ha! Ha!
I think I just cracked a rib. I had never seen, nor hear of that one before.
I remember the “Super Bowl Shuffle,” though, but “The 49ers Rap” is even worse than that. Good stuff.
"And the life of man, solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and short." Thomas Hobbes' "Leviathan"
"But, in spite of these things, it was a gay and magnificent revel." Edgar Allen Poe "The Masque of the Red Death"
by Grimm Blackwood on May 16, 2009 7:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forgive me, I couldn't help myself.


"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on May 16, 2009 7:19 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
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"And the life of man, solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and short." Thomas Hobbes' "Leviathan"
"But, in spite of these things, it was a gay and magnificent revel." Edgar Allen Poe "The Masque of the Red Death"
by Grimm Blackwood on May 16, 2009 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As my father in law would say....
9ers! 9ers! 9ers! ad naseum.
I’m sending him that clip to him right now. Good thing the wife and I already gave him two grand-sons otherwise stuff like this would get me thrown out for good. Now I can just rub it in year and year out.
by Professor on May 17, 2009 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They sure are optimistic by the Bay
So, Hasselbeck’s unit at QB is a “C” and the Niners, lead by Shaun Hill get a “B”. Something is stinky here. Looks like they are a bit more critical here in Seattle than by the Bay.
QB is all about the starter. There is only one QB on the field at a time (unless you are running the Wildcat), and lets face it- if you are playing your backup QB- you are not going to win the Superbowl. Unless you have Lawrence Taylor on your defense.
Why should a strong 3rd QB be considered a good thing? Its all about #1.
Honestly, Seattle probably has the best situation at starting QB this year. Warner has had the best career, but he’s less durable than Hasselbeck over his entire body of work.
by Section 128 on May 18, 2009 10:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
QB is all about the starter,
but when your starting QB is injury prone like Hasselbeck, Warner, and Bulger (Smith too, if he is a starter), it’s essential to have backups like Wallace, Leinart, and Boller.
2010 Seahawks Mock: 1A: Eric Berry S, 1B: Ndamukong Suh DT, 2: Charles Brown OT, 4:Zac Robinson QB, 5: Stafon Johnson RB 6: Will Tukuafu DE, 7: Kerry Meier WR
Also acceptable, trade for Patrick Chung and draft Ed Wang so everyone can Wang Chung tonight.
by LantermanC on May 18, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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