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How GMs value certain positions

I've been wondering ever since the Seahawks drafted Aaron Curry, as I'm sure many other FG readers have, just how valuable certain positions are compared to other ones.  Are LBs easily replaceable, and are they like halfbacks of the defense, dependant upon the line in front of them to a great, but varying degree?  I'm not sure how to accurately measure an individual position's value (not sure anyone one will ever be considering football is so team-oriented), so I instead decided to look at how GMs value different positions by three things: draft value, monetary value, and cap value.  GMs can say one thing about how valuable a certain position is, but when it comes down to it, actions speak louder than words.  Put your money where mouth is. <insert another overused cliche> etc.

 

First thing's first.  I looked at the 2008 rosters and the cap number and the salary amount associated with each player for the year.  In some cases, I looked at the numbers for every player, and in some, I looked at the numbers just for the top at each position kind of like franchise players except instead of the top 5 players, I looked at the top 10, or what I thought was the top 10 equivalent.  So I looked at 10 QBs, but only 5 FBs (because they only play on 50% of snaps roughly), 25 WRs ( to account for 3 and 4 WR sets) 10 TEs (for 2 TE sets as well as 3 and 4 WR sets), 17 DT (because of 3-4 defenses), 23 CBs (for nickel and dime packages) etc.

 

Sometimes the positions are broken up as LB and soemtimes they are OLB and MLB or OL instead of C, OG, and OT, don't ask me why.  It just has to do with the data I had, and the amount of searching I was willing to do, since It's really hard to find info on whether or not a backup RT that never played more than a few snaps is a RT, or a LG, or just a utility OL with no specific position.

 

Here is the chart and data of how much money an average team spends on a player on the field at each position as a percentage of the total salary or cap value of the team.  So even though there is only 1 QB on the field, I have all 3 QBs on the roster as the dollars spent on the 1 spot.  and even though there are 5 CBs on a team, I have 5 / 2.3 (average number of CBs on the field on any given defensive down).  Note that this pretty much disregards special teams.  This data has every player from 2008.

One player as a percentage of dollars team spends

Percentage Data summarized.

 

Here I looked at just the top players, rough the top 30% of starters.

Top 30% by Salary

Top 30% by Cap Value

 

Next I looked at draft value, since this applies more directly to the Aaron Curry question.  I used the Draft Countdown trade value chart

for the draft value numbers, and looked at all the drafts from 1970 to 2008.

 

Average draft value of the first two rounds

Average draft value of the first five rounds

Data in Summary form

 

Again, I didn't do any interpretation.  I just thought it would be a fun project to do.

 

 

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I'm surprised how much money

TE’s were making as a whole, on par with RB’s. Also, DL seems to be very highly valued.

by Fear on May 20, 2009 11:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, DL is highly valued. I wonder if that is because it's harder to find good ones, or when they prove good,

they really get paid. Also, I found it interesting how close LB and WR numbers were across the board. I hope to read some more posts about what people can glean from this.

by Misfit74 on May 20, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll be honest, it's really hard to get anything from this.

Obviously QB is #1, and D-Line being number 2 wasn’t really a surprise either.
I suppose HB being number 3 isn’t much of an upset, since even though they are dependent on the line, they do several things (run, short pass, pass block).

I’m not sure there is much to tell from it, I just wanted to do a project.
It does seem that LBs are a bit less valuable, but they share the ‘lowest tier’ with C, S, and TEs maybe?

2010 Seahawks Mock: 1A: Eric Berry S, 1B: Ndamukong Suh DT, 2: Charles Brown OT, 4:Zac Robinson QB, 5: Stafon Johnson RB 6: Will Tukuafu DE, 7: Kerry Meier WR
Also acceptable, trade for Patrick Chung and draft Ed Wang so everyone can Wang Chung tonight.

by LantermanC on May 20, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It seems like the best linebackers

get paid significantly less than the best players at premium positions too.

by cashless on May 20, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Couldn't we tell that from franchis tag values also?

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh

by Misfit74 on May 20, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

link to those

http://profootball.scout.com/2/834635.html

I imagine Lanterman’s nice project would be somewhat similar to these, but I don’t know.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh

by Misfit74 on May 20, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It should be similar.

The one thing I wanted to eliminate was the fact that Linebacker only has top 5, whereas QB has top 5 as well, and that doesn’t make much sense sine there are usually 3 or 4 linebackers on the field.

2010 Seahawks Mock: 1A: Eric Berry S, 1B: Ndamukong Suh DT, 2: Charles Brown OT, 4:Zac Robinson QB, 5: Stafon Johnson RB 6: Will Tukuafu DE, 7: Kerry Meier WR
Also acceptable, trade for Patrick Chung and draft Ed Wang so everyone can Wang Chung tonight.

by LantermanC on May 20, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am surprised.

LB’s make barely less than defensive ends, and more than DTs? Obviously that is before Albert Haynesworth was signed, but I think there just are not that many game-changing DTs these days.

by cashless on May 20, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good WRs are harder to find than good RBs, I would venture to guess.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh

by Misfit74 on May 20, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another factor

might be that RBs often start their rookie year, while WRs get toward the more expensive years of their rookie deals before starting.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh

by Misfit74 on May 20, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well I think it also comes down to the fact that the franchise number takes only the top five players

whereas Lanterman is taking into account the group as a whole and would then be more accurate. The top five is a pretty low sample range.

by B.B.Finnegan on May 20, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

heh, i guess what I said there didn't really explain anything that wasn't already said

i guess what i meant was if you take say the top 20, the runningbacks close the salary gap a bit, (which is the case in Lanterman’s stats) but I like your thinking in the second post on the discrepancy, makes a lot of sense.

by B.B.Finnegan on May 20, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good job man

I’d say the positions that are valued are the ones that ought to be valued.

by jacobstevens on May 20, 2009 1:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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