Talk Amongst Yourselves
by abender20 on May 26, 2009 8:44 AM PDT
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PrintNFLDraftScout.com's Rob Rang chimes in with his thoughts on some of the most impressive looking rookies so far. Seeing as how I'm currently enjoying flu-like symptoms, go ahead and discuss the potential here yourself.
Deon Butler, WR, Seattle Seahawks: While most of the attention centered on No. 4 overall pick Aaron Curry, the rookie who stood out the most in Seattle's minicamp May 1-3 was the speedy Butler. The 4.28 speed Butler showcased at the scouting combine was on display during practices, providing the Seahawks with an element of big-play potential no other receiver on their roster possesses. Butler's soft hands, sharp route running and intelligence also impressed coaches.
Because Knapp's offense doesn't employ four receiver sets, Butler may struggle to get his talent onto the field early on barring injury. What is the most effective way to utilize Butler, given the presence of Branch, Houshmandzadeh, and Burleson?
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Ahead of Burleson, I hope.
He’ll have to earn that, though.
by The Ancient Mariner on May 26, 2009 9:00 AM PDT reply actions
It's weird that so many of these guys are guys FG picked out.
Iglesias, Jenkins and Coffee.
Delmas might have been picked out except for the fact that no one believed Ruskell would take a small school guy.
2010 Seahawks Mock: 1A: Eric Berry S, 1B: Ndamukong Suh DT, 2: Charles Brown OT, 4:Zac Robinson QB, 5: Stafon Johnson RB 6: Will Tukuafu DE, 7: Kerry Meier WR
Also acceptable, trade for Patrick Chung and draft Ed Wang so everyone can Wang Chung tonight.
Actually, Delmas was, too
by Doug Farrar; and Orakpo was at least discussed by John.
by The Ancient Mariner on May 26, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Right, forgot about that.
2010 Seahawks Mock: 1A: Eric Berry S, 1B: Ndamukong Suh DT, 2: Charles Brown OT, 4:Zac Robinson QB, 5: Stafon Johnson RB 6: Will Tukuafu DE, 7: Kerry Meier WR
Also acceptable, trade for Patrick Chung and draft Ed Wang so everyone can Wang Chung tonight.
As for Flu-like symtpoms,
it’s from doing all those hills. Hills drain your energy. Or I guess long runs in general do that as well.
2010 Seahawks Mock: 1A: Eric Berry S, 1B: Ndamukong Suh DT, 2: Charles Brown OT, 4:Zac Robinson QB, 5: Stafon Johnson RB 6: Will Tukuafu DE, 7: Kerry Meier WR
Also acceptable, trade for Patrick Chung and draft Ed Wang so everyone can Wang Chung tonight.
Hill running doesn't cause fever, nausea, and vomiting.
There’s a pretty solid difference between being drained and being physically ill.
You weren't running the hills hard enough then.
2010 Seahawks Mock: 1A: Eric Berry S, 1B: Ndamukong Suh DT, 2: Charles Brown OT, 4:Zac Robinson QB, 5: Stafon Johnson RB 6: Will Tukuafu DE, 7: Kerry Meier WR
Also acceptable, trade for Patrick Chung and draft Ed Wang so everyone can Wang Chung tonight.
Haha. Well, there is a difference between yakking while running, from exertion,
and getting a fever about 10 hours later, followed by the rest of the fun. I’m just glad I was able to get some exercise in first.
I read that Butler is volunteering for every spot that he can
including kick returner. Apparently he’s been returning kicks at practice. I think that you will still see Wilson as the punt returner this next year, but I dont think they will risk Burelson as a punt returner if Butler can show some promise at the position. And if he is on the active roster as a kick return/special teamer, you might see him get in some 4 WR sets as a deep threat decoy.
PR and whatever they did w/ Eddie Royal. I’d love to see that kind of impact and the seem like the could be similar type players. I imagine they’ll have to move him around to try and avoid press-coverage, at times. Butler should most-certainly get a long look as the primary punt returner, which should help Burleson.
Hope you feel better. The Flu has bitten many people lately. My wife has been battling said sickness for nearly two weeks.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200
*doh - no subject line. sorry.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200
So, Knapp's offense "doesn't employ" 4 WR... ever?
Is that the case, or would “seldom” be more accurate? Assuming he wins out over Taylor and Obo—Butler won’t beat out Burleson barring injury—Butler would seem to be a streaker in 4-wide sets and maybe a field-stretching sub for Branch.
John did the hard work for me. My wording was just hyperbole. I'm sure Knapp will adjust some if the personnel warrants it.
In Oakland in 2007, Knapp ran three+ wide receiver sets just 45% of all snaps (22nd) and four+ wide receiver sets just 4% of all snaps (29th)
And of course, the Raiders truly sucked in 2007. Among other years.
Seattle’s personnel, if healthy, certainly warrants more exotic passing schemes than could be run in Oakland. Just hope it’s not a stymied running attack that leads us there.
by lemonverbena on May 26, 2009 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Good points all.
Especially considering the difference at QB between the ‘Hawks and the ’07 Raiders (as long as Hasselbeck’s sharp, anyway).
by The Ancient Mariner on May 26, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Raiders never had four decent WRs healthy at any point last season.
No good offensive playcaller would have used 4 WRs when their best TE is their 2nd or 3rd best pass catcher on any given play. This was a Raiders team that I’m pretty sure had around 91 catches from their WRs total. I’m not sure how many times that has ever happened.
Are you memories that short?
Playing behind Burleson and Branch, I’d say Butler gets a few shots to show what he can do. Those guys aren’t exactly being mentioned in the same breath as Lou Gehrig and Brett Favre. Hopefully Butler can “Wally Pipp” Mr. Branch. We know he’ll get the shot. If Butler doesn’t get a chance to shine, I’d say that has a positive side to it.
Give him only a few plays.
a couple decoy fly routes ( 4.28 will get some attention), and some red/green-zone plays. He is a rookie bring him along slow while utilizing his speed.
"Superhero like even"
Good point.
Even if he doesn’t get a catch in a game, he can still be effective by stretching the field and making that safety stay back.
2010 Seahawks Mock: 1A: Eric Berry S, 1B: Ndamukong Suh DT, 2: Charles Brown OT, 4:Zac Robinson QB, 5: Stafon Johnson RB 6: Will Tukuafu DE, 7: Kerry Meier WR
Also acceptable, trade for Patrick Chung and draft Ed Wang so everyone can Wang Chung tonight.
Looks that way:
Butler had been issued No. 85 when he arrived for the post-draft minicamp earlier this month. But Monday, he was wearing No. 11.
"I wanted to get a sleeker number," Butler, the team’s third-round selection in last month’s NFL draft, said after a spirited 90-minute OTA session. "I wanted a lower number, because 85 was kind of big for a skinny guy."
by lemonverbena on May 26, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Sweet.
I think this gives him more of a “universal player” type vibe, rather than just a stock WR vibe.
Way to go out on a limb.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200
Burleson has one other season
he didn’t play in 16 games. He’s very durable for a receiver.
by John Morgan on May 26, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Given age, style of play an injury history
Houshmandzadeh is the bigger injury concern.
by John Morgan on May 26, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Indeed.
The “presence of Branch, Houshmandzadeh, and Burleson” is not exactly as menacing and durable as 3 Spartan warriors. I expect at least one of them to miss at least one game next season.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on May 26, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Way to go there, Karnac.
One WR will miss one game? No way!
How many teams have three WR’s that make it through all sixteen games? Probably none in the history of the NFL.
Sorry for the sarcasm, but your expectations are a tad high.
Well, yeah.
Which is why I’m wondering why I don’t understand why we’re conjecturing over how to use Butler effectively when it seems virtually certain he will be getting considerable playing time.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on May 28, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Grammar fail.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on May 28, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
"given the presence of Branch" ??
Given the “presence” of Branch since we acquired him, someone will need to play in place of Branch who will eventually be on IR. Butler’s role will become 3rd WR, playing Split End in 3 WR sets. However, as of game 1 Butler will start out as Punt Returner.
Housh will start at Flanker and move to Slot in 3 WR sets.
Burleson will start at Split End (once Branch gets nicked), and move to Flanker in 3 WR sets.
As soon as he matures (and Branch gets his hangnail) Butler will be the new (faster and cheaper) Branch competing with Burleson to start at Split End.
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