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Underdogs and Risk

More from Advanced NFL Stats, this time an analysis of game strategy for underdogs.When facing a team of superior talent, should an NFL team play more conservatively and hope for mistakes from the favorite? Nope. Remember to click through and read the piece, as I'll provide a high-level summary.

If you approximate NFL scoring using a normal distribution, you find that an underdog will lose x% of the time, based on the differential in scoring expectation. The more conservative a team plays, the narrower their scoring distribution becomes. Conservative play effectively lowers the risk of falling into the lower tail of a team's scoring distribution, but also saws off the chances of landing in the upper tail.

Playing more aggressively flattens out a team's scoring distribution. The probability of hitting a team's scoring average drops, and that weight then spreads into the tails. If the other team has more talent and a higher expected score, increasing the odds of surpassing that average makes sense. The risk of a loss decreases, but the risk of getting embarrassed increases. 

How do teams actually play their cards?

This is more evidence coaches do not coach to maximize their team’s chances of winning. My theory is coaches are delaying elimination until the latest point in the game—that is, trying to “stay in the game” for as long as possible. Underdog coaches minimize risk all game long hoping for a miracle along the way. They seem to be reducing the chances of being blown out, but this is not consistent with giving their team the best chance to win.

 

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It seems like a worse team would just try to slow the game down.

If a bad team plays a great team 100 times, it will probably only win 10 games. If it plays one game, it has a 10% chance of winning, but it could win 100% of the games. The more plays in a game, the more coin flips there are, giving the better team the higher chance of winning.
Of course playing conservatively is a bit subjective. Short passes and a higher % of running plays is what I think of. If a deep ball is an option and the safety has bitten on play action, you throw that deep ball, you don’t bail out and pass to your rb in the flat.

2010 Seahawks Mock: 1A: Eric Berry S, 1B: Ndamukong Suh DT, 2: Charles Brown OT, 4:Zac Robinson QB, 5: Stafon Johnson RB 6: Will Tukuafu DE, 7: Kerry Meier WR
Also acceptable, trade for Patrick Chung and draft Ed Wang so everyone can Wang Chung tonight.

by LantermanC on May 27, 2009 9:46 AM PDT reply actions  

This strategy works in basketball but not football.

Read the opening paragraph of Burke’s piece, which makes that point. In basketball, game pace dictates that team scores are correlated. Football is just the exact opposite. When playing UNC, slow them down and give them fewer opportunities to run and exploit their talent. Running a predictable offense in football just lowers your chance of success on any individual play, giving the other team better field position and more possessions.

by abender20 on May 27, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

So worse teams should just be riskier?

Take more deep passes, or threes? It seems like for football, you’d just do whatever has the highest chance of success (with the given result in mind obviously). If a certain 15 year pass has a high percentage of chance, you don’t throw it deep on the other side of the field just because you know that you’ll need 3-5 lucky plays to beat the team. I suppose the trick play would be an option though.

2010 Seahawks Mock: 1A: Eric Berry S, 1B: Ndamukong Suh DT, 2: Charles Brown OT, 4:Zac Robinson QB, 5: Stafon Johnson RB 6: Will Tukuafu DE, 7: Kerry Meier WR
Also acceptable, trade for Patrick Chung and draft Ed Wang so everyone can Wang Chung tonight.

by LantermanC on May 27, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think of it

more in terms of radical vs conventional than risky or not risky – Ideas like going for it on more (or most!) 4th downs, or deciding to go for 2 on every conversion instead of PATs…

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by phil26687 on May 27, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Malcolm Gladwell

wrote a great article called How David Beats Goliath – It’s an 8 page masterpiece touching on how underdogs can win at basketball, war, and pretty much anything else by changing the mindset of how to play the game.

It’s brilliant, and well worth reading.

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by phil26687 on May 27, 2009 10:20 AM PDT reply actions  

not that brilliant

That article’s been dissected a lot, (8th graders are unfamiliar with press coverage? who knew?) and the main “innovation” is for inferior teams to play by different rules. The victors of the Revolutionary War and the creators of the A11 offense both recognized that already.

by Will Kier on May 27, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Doesn't TMQ harp on this stuff all the time?

How most NFL coaches play to not lose by doing things like punting far too much or playing prevent all the time.

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by bluemax on May 27, 2009 3:43 PM PDT reply actions  

Let's remember our own history, OK?

What this article describes is essentially the strategy followed by the wacky Jack Patera Seahawks of the 1970’s.

Fake punts, trick plays, going for it on fourth down. We did it all, and won a few games we probably would have lost had we played them “by the book”.

by Mr Fish on May 27, 2009 3:53 PM PDT reply actions  

I think it would be pretty interesting to see

an analysis of the play-styles during the playoffs for the recent wildcard teams that made the Superbowl.

by jb3 on May 27, 2009 4:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Makes complete sense to me

Sometimes it seems like teams already know this and try to do this. But then, you really see it crank out, when a team is already eliminated from contention.

But from hearing players talk, such as Hugh Millen, I’ve gotten a sense that players, possibly even coaches, never think they’re one of the worst teams, at the beginning of the season. if you are, it might start to sink in around week 5. There’s the handful of best and handful of worst teams, but everyone else, you more than likely feel like you’ve got just as realistic a shot to win the one game as the opponent, for at least most of the year.

So to employ this as a strategy, it’s predicated on conceding you’re an inferior team. That probably keeps most teams from it, whether from earnest assessment, stubborn pride or face-saving CYA to get one more shot to run the team next year. When you’re the Lions and you find yourself in the headlights of some 16-0 aspiring behemoth, maybe it’s not as hard to concede, but mostly I’d bet it is.

But speaking of 16-0, and teams like the Lions, that’s where I originally was thinking, it seems like this is reflected in the league a little bit, already. The better you are through the season, the cliché is that every team brings their A game against you. The less an opponent has to lose, the more often we see them playing more aggressively. So I see it, circumstantially, and it makes sense, strategically.

by jacobstevens on May 28, 2009 10:45 AM PDT reply actions  

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