Seriously, what's up with all the Favre hate going around?
by Tyopiod on May 6, 2009 5:21 AM PDT
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PrintRecently thr rumors of Favre making a second comeback to play for the Vikings has picked up credibility as Favre is scheduled to meet with Brad Childress.
This has brought on a lot of talk about how people are sick of, or have lost all respect for Favre.
Besides the fact that many seem to resent the guy for media coverage that's not his fault (he is partially responsible, but not as responsible as ESPN or the Packers who wouldn't grant his release in the first place), there seems to be at least one more huge misconception about Favre.
That misconception is that he is ruining his legacy by coming out of retirement.
Last season, Favre went from being the best player on the Packers to being the best player on the Jets. The Jets may have broken down at the end of the season, but it was the TEAM that broke down. Favre received most of the blame (gee, a quarterback receiving the blame for their team losing. Who's ever heard of that?), but Thomas Jones no longer looked like tha same back either. Not to mention the play of the defense. Everyone seems to forget that while Favre was healthy the Jets looked like the team to beat in the AFC.
So how can Favre be ruining his legacy by first choosing to leave the team he loved and played his heart out for and then being the single biggest reason why the jets doubled their win total from the previous season?
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The Jets were 8-3
at the point in which Favre started hurling the rock around like a jackass, throwing eight interceptions to two touchdowns in the final five games. The Jets had a solid running game throughout, and an improved defence, so if he was injured, why didn’t he throw a few check-downs instead of firing picks all over the field? And if he wants to keep on playing, that’s fine, keep playing. But hows about you don’t retire every off-season and give Favre-Whores like Peter King the ammo to discuss your imminent return all off-season? I hate Favre cause he’s got a gigantic ego, acts like he doesn’t, and plays on with the notion that GB somehow betrayed him by moving on after he “retired”.
With an excellent O-Line and solid runnign game it's a safer path to victory than throwing multiple interceptions
And I know he has a giant ego because the guy retired in GB, and once the team moved on he expected them to drop everything and put Rodgers back on the bench because he changed his mind. I agree that the media is the main culprit, but you have to admit he and Bus Cook manipulate them to their own end
That's about what you do in public
I’m basically agnostic on Favre, but I definitely sympathize with the resentment that has built up among the fan base. If I had to say it in a sentence, Brett Favre appears to be oh so about the drama. He certainly appears to enjoy living out various moments in public while framing them as private and personal. That comes off as phony to a lot of people—while it appears genuine to others. I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to say that he held the Packers hostage for several seasons by publicly hinting at retirement. Finally, when the Packers said it’s time for us to move forward Favre played the aggrieved victim role, as if the Packers owed him his release. Brett was trying to do what was best for Brett. GB was trying to do what was best for GB. That’s all it needed to be. The whole playing it out like a divorcing couple seemed to me mostly Favre’s doing. Reasonable people can interpret his actions differently, but it cannot be denied that this is a legitimate interpretation.
I’m sure it’s a mix of genuine emotion and a consciously crafted public persona. Brett Favre is a media-savvy figure who works hard to be portrayed sympathetically. So the degree of media scrutiny he’s getting is at least partly his own making.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
by dcrockett17 on May 6, 2009 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Amen.
For the record, i love(d) Brett Favre. He was probably my favorite QB who wasn’t a Seahawk or a 49er. But last year’s drama queen tug-of-war was painful to watch.
He’s sort of staying out of the current round of media speculation about a possible deal with the Vikings, but the latest news just shines a light on his past declarative statements. And I find it amusing. We’re all entitled to change our minds, but most of us don’t play it out like a Gilbert & Sullivan operetta on the wire services. You have to wonder why Favre did it last year. I don’t hate on the dude, but I can’t figure out what he’s doing. I find it amusing.
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by Shrug on May 6, 2009 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, this time it's Childress' fault, not the media.
He is the one who disclosed that they will meet in “secret”. Poor Brett just can’t get a moments peace.
Okay, a couple of things.
1. He appears to enjoy living out various moments in public while framing them as private and personal? Examples?
2.“Brett was trying to do what was best for Brett. GB was trying to do what was best for GB.”
I thought that was true at first until a couple of things happened. When Brett threatened to report to the Packers training camp to force McCarthy and Thompson to make a quicker decision, they asked him not to come to give them more time. He did.
The Packers followed that up by trying to give him $20 million to stay retired (I know it was over 10 years, but still, how is giving up that kind of money better for the organization than seeing what they could get in a trade for him?) and then screwing him over by trading him so late.
3.“Brett Favre is a media-savvy figure who works hard to be portrayed sympathetically. So the degree of media scrutiny he’s getting is at least partly his own making.”
Can the same not be said about the Packers?
by Tyopiod on May 7, 2009 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Besides the fact that many seem to resent the guy for media coverage that's not his fault
Clearly not his fault. Holding pressers to announce that you have not made a decision on whether to come back or not and retiring and untiring no less than 3 times would indicate unfair attention and scrutiny paid by our national sporting press.
Perhaps I'm jumping ahead,
We’ll use your numbers. No less than 2 with 1 in his comfortable, real comfortable back pocket.
Seems to me...
that’s plenty to generate a healthy amount of resentment.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Seattle Seahawks: We've got Brian Russell and TWO kickers!
by SSreporters on May 6, 2009 7:26 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Means......
Seattle Seahawks: We've got Brian Russell and TWO kickers!
by SSreporters on May 6, 2009 7:27 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The above was actually...
my favorite moment of the entire 2008 season!
…funny, though.. how our very own Josh Wilson gets fined $10,000.00 for the above celebration [as did Wes Welker for his snow angel], but in the playoff game in late 2007 against GB @ Lambaeu… when Favre was running around playing in the snow, laughing, slapping people on the bottom, throwing snowballs, high-fiving the officials, celebrating, etc..
no fine was issued. [yep, pretty funny, alright.]
[yet another reason why the annual “Brett Favre Soap Opera Cheesy Chronic Drama Extraordinaire!” irritates the hell out of me.]
"And the life of man, solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and short." Thomas Hobbes' "Leviathan"
"But, in spite of these things, it was a gay and magnificent revel." Edgar Allen Poe "The Masque of the Red Death"
by Grimm Blackwood on May 12, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
What I'm more concerned about is why Santana Moss didn't get ejected after swinging fists at Josh Wilson
after he made him his bitch for most of the first half
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by Fearless Frog on May 12, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed.
That completely mystified me as well.
Didn’t Jeremy Stevens get kneed between the legs once a while back, as well? I don’t remember the details of that situation, though.
"And the life of man, solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and short." Thomas Hobbes' "Leviathan"
"But, in spite of these things, it was a gay and magnificent revel." Edgar Allen Poe "The Masque of the Red Death"
by Grimm Blackwood on May 12, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I must have some kind of disorder.
When everyone loved him, I hated him. He was one of my least favorite players.
Now that he’s old and struggles a bit, everyone hates him (besides the NFL community and ESPN) and I like him and root for him to succeed.
McCoy McCoy 2010, also acceptable, Russell Okung, Ndamukong Suh, Dez Bryant, Ciron Black, Trent Williams, and Bryan Bulaga.
Same with Gary Payton.
And the same, but opposite for Kobe Bryant.
McCoy McCoy 2010, also acceptable, Russell Okung, Ndamukong Suh, Dez Bryant, Ciron Black, Trent Williams, and Bryan Bulaga.
Adding Eric Berry now.
I heard a rumor that Al Davis will not draft him because Lane Kiffin is his coach. If both him and Mays run a 4.3~ you can bet Davis will draft one of them.
McCoy McCoy 2010, also acceptable, Russell Okung, Ndamukong Suh, Dez Bryant, Ciron Black, Trent Williams, and Bryan Bulaga.
"I must have some kind of disorder."
Nothing wrong with being a contrarian. Someone needs to be a counter balance.
I get tired of too much media coverage of ANY one player
including TO, Burress and Vick, because it detracts from good coverage of other teams and players. When TO was released by the Boys I about vomited with all the non-stop soundbites of him shooting off his mouth. At the same time, anything that creates controversy on other teams is good for us in the end. So please, Brett, go to Minnesota and play. Just do it quickly so the media can get over it quickly. Like pulling off a bandaid, faster is better.
"Favre went from being the best player on the Packers to being the best player on the Jets."
Wrong on both accounts.
What’s even more pathetic is that old dinosaur is still better than Tarvaris Crapson and Sage Goesandfails.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
Because at the end of the day
The only record Brett Favre will be holding is career interceptions. Peyton Manning will shatter the rest.
Long live the 300 interception club!
It wouldn't surprise me to find out that Favre has only been coming back
year after year just to try and put the TD record out of Peyton’s reach.
by SeaTownBlueDevil on May 6, 2009 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Brett Favre is an obnoxious self centered prick
he loves being in the spot light and he ruined the Jets season by forcing the coaches to let him heave goal line interception after goal line interception. He’s not a team player at this point in his career. All he cares about the spotlight and trying to add to his statistical legacy (which he is doing the wrong way by adding more INTs).
For a guy who sucks as much he does and sabotages his team as much as he does he gets way too much love from the media, which I think adds to the hate he gets. I’m sick of everyone fellating a guy who in my mind I’ll always remember for his interceptions.
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Brett Favre threw as many interceptions as he did touchdowns last year.
Outside of 2007, his twilight years have sucked. I loved Brett Favre in Green Bay because he didn’t seem to be a Primadonna, he just loved playing.
Last year changed that. Brett Favre can go fuck himself for all I care if he comes back one more time.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
Holy shit, that was hilarious.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on May 6, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Favre is the posterboy for everything I dislike about sports*
Not just football, but all of sports. The media is anywhere from 1 to 5 years behind the times and they haven’t figured out the difference between was great and is great, not just for Favre but for a lot of athletes. It trickles from the media to the fans, people still worship Favre. He wasn’t the best player on the Jets last year, far from it. Last year Favre had his lowest ANY/A since 2005 and the third lowest of his career. He was int% was tied for 4th worst of his career and was the second highest in the league. His DYAR was 20th in the league and his negative DVOA was 26th.
Favre has all of his troubles erased because he’s a gritty leader of men and worker of land. I kid you not, last season I heard someone say “Sure Aaron Rodgers is good, but you know that defense wouldn’t get away with being that bad if Favre was still around.” It may be totally unfair of me to dislike Favre for that but you almost have to overcorrect on stupidity like that. Reread your second to last paragraph. You spend it defending Favre because you can’t blame him for the defense sucking or Thomas Jones not being good anymore (who according to DYAR was the 5th best back in the league) and how it’s not fair that a QB gets all the blame for a losing team. But the last sentence is about how when Favre was healthy they were the team to beat. Heaven forbid that little Brett Favre get any blame for losing but if you’re looking for someone to praise for the 8-3 start feel free to heap it on.
The last thing that bugs me about Favre is the annual retirement story. For someone who’s such a great team mate and just wants to win he sure jerked the Packers around last year. First he takes forever to decide to retire. After retiring he decides he wants to come back, so the Packers set up a press conference and fly down to pick him up only to find out that nope, false alarm, he’s staying retired. Then a few weeks after that he wants to come back and be handed a starting job. Give me my helmet or give me my release I think is what he said. And when the Packers get tired of his crap he makes a big stink and tries to force a trade to the division rival Vikings. One year later he’s still trying to stick it to the Packers by signing with Minnesota.
This is not a loyal man, and that’d be fine if he didn’t pretend to be some aw shucks, gee willickers I’m just a country kid who loves to play football. The dichotomy between all the presteroid crap ARod got for being a drama queen and the love and adoration Favre gets is insane. The story is old, the spin is unbelievabley stupid and the player isn’t really worth anyone’s time.
*Obligatory “I used to love watching Favre play, but…”
by Nate Dogg on May 6, 2009 4:19 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Favre Haterbation
Yes, I agree.
How can you NOT be sick of Favre? I just listened to some joker on the radio today tell me that Favre is one of the few players who actually uses what he endorses. Because, you see, he wears Wranglers jeans, just like in the ad. But LeBron and Kobe don’t use Vitamin Water! Brett Favre, he’s ONE OF US. At least, if we were multi-millionaire drama queens who had an unbelievable ability to throw a football.
You might want to blame the media for the Favre love, and they are semi-culpable. But if you believe that Favre did not in any way participate and encourage this sort of attention, I have a bridge to sell you.
There’s actually not that much difference between Rosenfels and Favre at this point. Except fame. And past success. Both are capable quarterbacks who could conceivably lead a team with talent into the playoffs, provided they stay out of the way. Both can absolutely fuck you over with aggressively bad decision-making (as an aside, the Rosenfels fumblecopter was one of my favorite plays of 2008) and braindead interceptions. And the whole I’m retired, oh wait no I’m not I’m back! is grating.
I mean, you can think what you want but I don’t get how anyone can’t see why so many people are sick of/loathe the Favre.
I thought the ESPN poll was illuminating for once.
They asked if you would rather see Favre next year playing football, being a broadcaster, or fishing in Mississippi (i.e., retired). If I remember correctly, it was something like ~30% said they want to see him play, 2% said broadcasting, and the rest said they want him to go fishing.
Okay, some good points, but
you basically told me that he didn’t post good stats last year. That’s pretty obvious. But let’s not forget that he didn’t have much time to pick up the new play book, so that is bound to lead to some trouble. Then, when he got comfortable, he was playing well before the injury.
“Favre has all of his troubles erased because he’s a gritty leader of men…”
Since when? I have heard people criticize the guy nonstop for the past week or so. Counting friends, bloggers, and people on TV, I have heard a total of 3 people who still support Favre and dozens upon dozens who absolutely hate the guy.
And I did reread my second to last paragraph. Basically, what I meant by that was quarter backs are almost always blamed, even if it is or isn’t primarily their fault. And I know Thomas Jones was great for the majority of the season. I had him on one of my fantasy teams. He was one of the reasons I was the #1 seed in my league. He was also one of the reasons I struggled in the play-offs and lost my championship game.
And you just called the guy who is still with his elementary school sweetheart disloyal. Also, Favre has been in the spotlight for 17 years and has never broken the character you say he pretends to be. Even the most composed player I can think of, Peyton Manning, shows his true colors ever now and then. Also, everyone I know who has met him (including someone who went to school with his daughter and has been to him house multiple times) says good things about him.
by Tyopiod on May 7, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
What does being with his elementary school sweetheart have to do with loyalty?
He was also loyal to vicodin. It is a fallacious argument. He was disloyal to his teammates, to the Packer organization and potentially to the Jets. What dick move of his to get released so that the Jets do not get any benefit from having his rights. No compensatory pick because he was released. If these last two years have shown anything it is he is all about “me.” I remember in 2006 when he openly complained about his receivers, who were good, and then flipped like a baby when they did not get Randy Moss. I am sick of Favre and his DISLOYALTY.
Oh yeah, I totally forgot about the Moss thing.
What a douchebag.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on May 8, 2009 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd be upset if another team got Moss for a 4th rounder
and my team wouldn’t offer something similar. Seriously, they couldn’t offer a 4th and a 5th?
McCoy McCoy 2010, also acceptable, Russell Okung, Ndamukong Suh, Dez Bryant, Ciron Black, Eric Berry, and Bryan Bulaga.
I don't know.
The last thing that bugs me about Favre is the annual retirement story. For someone who’s such a great team mate and just wants to win he sure jerked the Packers around last year. First he takes forever to decide to retire. After retiring he decides he wants to come back, so the Packers set up a press conference and fly down to pick him up only to find out that nope, false alarm, he’s staying retired. Then a few weeks after that he wants to come back and be handed a starting job. Give me my helmet or give me my release I think is what he said. And when the Packers get tired of his crap he makes a big stink and tries to force a trade to the division rival Vikings. One year later he’s still trying to stick it to the Packers by signing with Minnesota.
I’m willing to give Favre all the leeway he needs when it comes to his retirement. Football is his life, for as long as he can remember it’s been a majority of who he is and what he’s about. It’s extremely hard to fathom starting a new career or taking time off. I mean he’s only 40; most guy’s don’t have to think about this until they’re 65. I know I know, it’s hard to feel sorry for a guy making millions, but deep down, I think everyone wants a purpose filled life and his purpose has always been to play football and entertain millions. I’m not sure if he’s trying to ‘stick it’ to the Packers. The Vikings have a great team and are just a good/veteran QB from winning it all if they get a lucky run in the playoffs. If he were contemplating signing with a bad team, I’d agree, but he wants to win, and he wants to play. He enjoys playing football, he enjoys winning, and he enjoys being good at something (questionable I know, but anyone who can play in the NFL is good).
McCoy McCoy 2010, also acceptable, Russell Okung, Ndamukong Suh, Dez Bryant, Ciron Black, Eric Berry, and Bryan Bulaga.
I like Favre.
I’m just sick of hearing about him. So, I’m just gonna ignore the whole thing.
Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.
He just either needs to retire or play.
And now all he wants to do is get revenge on the team that “kicked him the curb” (More like the team he held hostage.)
NEEDS MORE FREEDOM!
Brett Favre is one of the most overrated QB's of all time.
He gets slobbered on by the media because he is “gritty”, “tough” and a “gunslinger”.
So he's Brian Russell
only at the QB position. My lord, no wonder Russell is still on the team, we never had a chance.
by Fear on May 6, 2009 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
But what is more annoying are the comparisons to a child and how he has fun when he plays. Now those are getting reeeeaaallly ooollld.
by Pessimistic Optimist on May 8, 2009 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I respect Favre's career, but every time he pulls this retirement/unretirement stuff...
…I lose respect for him as a person. It doesn’t make him a bad person, it just makes him a waffling flake. Is it so hard to sit down and decide if you want to play football anymore?
And this time around, I’m suspicious that this false retirement (if it turns out to be one) was pre-meditated — after all, he wanted to be in Minnesota last season, and if he said he still wanted to play back in January, the Jets maybe wouldn’t have released him and drafted Sanchez.
Just for the record, I get sick of the drama too.
I just don’t understand why he is so unanimously hated while everyone who hates him thinks that everyone else who hates him loves him.
Favre...
…seems to be on a quest to sustain his fading glory as long as possible, even if it comes at the expense of his teammates and of the various franchises that want to hop on board his personal emotional roller coaster. He disgraced himself with his first aborted retirement from Green Bay. If I was to quit my job and then, a month or so later, contact my previous employer to tell them I want to come back and that they need to fire the guy they replaced me with, then I would be regarded as selfish and ridiculous. That’s people view Favre, and rightfully so. Now he wants to come back yet again and play for the Packers’ arch rival, just out of spite? He could have gracefully retired a year ago and preserved his dignity and unblemished legacy. By playing these childish games now, he just makes himself look like an pathetic, self-serving douchebag.
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Moved to Seattle and had my NFC team (niners) and AFC team (Seahawks) but then the division change and I went with the HAwks. But I am a Warriors, A’s, anti-Al Davis, and Sharks fan. Also a Cal fan as some people might have noticed. Go Forsett and Mebane!!!!!
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by Fearless Frog on May 8, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah. Gotcha.
I’m a Knicks fan for no particular reason.
by .Taylor on May 9, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't forget 7th round pick Cameron Morrah!!
"And the life of man, solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and short." Thomas Hobbes' "Leviathan"
"But, in spite of these things, it was a gay and magnificent revel." Edgar Allen Poe "The Masque of the Red Death"
by Grimm Blackwood on May 12, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I forgot we even drafted him.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on May 12, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Late to the party...
To me Farve leaving Green Bay last year was like when Sweet Lou left Seattle. As a Mariners fan I was very thankful and appreciative of the things he’d done for my team, and I really wanted him to stay, but for his own reasons (which I do not believe are the ones that he went public with: family) he was done here. He was, however, still under contract and was going to manage elsewhere the very next season. At some point, some people felt that Lou had earned his outright release and the Mariners were being petty for wanting some form of compensation. I wasn’t one of those people.
As with Brett Favre and the Packers, business is business. The Packers didn’t have to trade Favre OR start him; they would’ve been well within their rights to place him on the pine, but that would have been a lose-lose-lose for the Packers, Favre, and whoever they were going to trade him to – which I don’t blame them for wanting to NOT include a team that they were going to have to play twice. As has been well documented, Favre acted like this was the first time this ever happened.
Also, I think the fact that Favre wants to play for a team that’s considered “a winner” is telling. If you really love the game, winning and losing shouldn’t be that important to you. I wouldn’t even CONSIDER signing a player with that kind of attitude, regardless of what he did ten (thirteen) years ago; if it’s not worth the time and physical toll for a “lesser” team, it’s just not worth the time and physical toll period.
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