NFC West Roundtable: Center
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The Rams have struggled to find a center since age caught up to Andy McCollum during the 2006 season, and the team parted ways with the then-37-year-old center after an injury riddled 2007 campaign. Heading into 2008, Mark Setterstrom looked like an odds on favorite for the job, but injuries got to him early in camp. The undersized, overmatched duo of Nick Leckey and Brett Romberg started at center for the Rams last season, making the middle of the offensive line by far the weakest link on an already troubled offense. Half of the numerous sacks endured by Rams passers last year came through the middle, which is to say nothing about how much the run game suffered.
Under new management and coaches, the Rams made a huge splash in the free agent market, signing Ravens C Jason Brown, the most coveted offensive lineman to reach free agency this year, to a lucrative five-year, $37 million deal. Whether or not they paid too much is beside the point. The Rams desperately needed to do something at center or risk losing the investments they've made in Steven Jackson and Marc Bulger. Brown, just 26, will be a cornerstone of an up and coming offensive line that could be the best in the division, if not this year, then very soon. Not bad for a unit that was the team's biggest liability just a few months ago.
Depth is a concern, but the Rams have a good situation in regards to their middle linemen. Should Brown not be available, they can plug in the capable Mark Setterstrom, who they would have killed to have at center last year. They also have the option of sliding RG Richie Incognito over to center and replacing him with either Setterstrom or John Greco (more on those names in the guard write-up) and be just fine in the middle. Grade: A
San Francisco 49ers
Blogger: Fooch
Given the lack of backup options, I'm probably grading this a little high, but I am really this happy with Eric Heitmann as the 49ers center this year. Grade: B
Seattle Seahawks
Blogger: John Morgan
Seattle selected Chris Spencer with the 26th overall pick in the 2005 draft. He was just the thirteenth center selected in the first round since the merger. Spencer was a great athlete and considered a safe pick. Fans envisioned a future star. Upon further inspection, that was an unreasonable expectation. Of the sixteen centers since 1970 selected in the first round, only three were ever elected to a Pro Bowl and only one was elected to multiple Pro Bowls: Don Mosebar.
Instead, investing in a first round center is investing in a starting center. Only one of the thirteen was a true bust, Robert Shaw, and Shaw blew out his knee and was forced into retirement. That’s what Chris Spencer is, a starting center. He started 29 games in 2006 and 2007 after apprenticing under Robbie Tobeck, and was shut down in 2008 only after the season was lost. He’s a steady center that shows flashes of great athleticism and physical dominance, but hasn’t developed into a consistent or technically sound blocker. His footwork is unrefined, though he’s improved enough to not trip over himself. Spencer is derided for a few reasons. Mike Holmgren was critical of his play. He reportedly was slow to pick up line calls. He is wont to the big gaffe. Finally, he’s not Robbie Tobeck, and the memory of Tobeck has grown well beyond the man. Spencer is physically gifted. He’s a former record setting power-lifter and rare- quick and agile for a center. So there’s still chance of breakout in a big way.
Max Unger is not the opposite of Chris Spencer; he’s more like the negative. Unger is not nearly as powerful and might struggle against stronger nose tackles. He’s not unrefined and full of potential, but skilled and NFL-ready. He’s a good athlete, but a better offensive lineman. Unger could overtake Spencer or settle in at guard. He’s a natural center and has expressed his desire to play the position.
Between the two, the polished rookie and the veteran full of potential, Seattle should have an above average starting center and the best center depth in the NFL. The grade is tilted towards the starter, but accounting for Spencer’s potential, Unger’s potential, Spencer’s standing level of play, Unger's polish and Seattle’s depth at the position, this is a solid B with a chance to be better.
Arizona Cardinals
Blogger: cgolden
The Cardinals opened training camp last year with what most assumed to be a decent veteran starter at center and the 'center of the future' as his primary backup. Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on how you look at it, the veteran starting center, Al Johnson, never recovered from off season surgery and was placed on IR in early September. That move pushed young Lyle Sendlein, an undrafted second year player, into the starting lineup and left virtually no one to back him up. Luckily for the Cardinals, Sendlein stayed healthy, at least enough to play, all season long although most would say that his play was average at best. As with most undersized centers, Sendlein excelled at getting to the next level and picking up linebackers but he struggled with facing larger nose tackles either in the running game or passing game. Of course we know now that he played most of the season with a bum shoulder that required surgery in the off season but questions still remained about his future as a starter.
Head coach Ken Whisenhunt gave Sendlein a vote of confidence shortly before the draft, saying that he had the potential to be a great center in the league, and he backed it up by not addressing the position in the draft until late in the seventh round. Sendlein enters this season as the unquestioned starter and with a surgically repaired shoulder and more strength than he's had in years, there are hopes that he'll take the next step in his third season.
The depth behind Sendlein is still shaky, at best. There are three other 'true centers' on the current roster (Ben Claxton, Donovan Raiola and Patt Ross) and their respective careers have consisted of two games during the 2005 season. Trevor Canfield, the 254th overall selection this April is capable of playing guard and he's got a chance to be the primary backup if he performs well in camp. There's a good possibility though that if Sendlein were to go down for any length of time the interior of the line would get shuffled around with right guard, Reggie Wells, sliding over to center and someone stepping into his guard spot. Basically, the Cardinals need to have Sendlein healthy if they want anything close to average performance from the center position. Overall grade: C
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No mention of Vallos?
I’m usually a little more optimistic than JM (grade on a higher, more “homeric” scale), but I’m not sure I have the same confidence on the center position. I’m cautiously optimistic that we may end the season with a decent starting center, but have no expectations that we’ll have “good” (B-grade) center play throughout the season.
Spencer is on the edge here (either he steps up and performs or gets the boot) and Unger seems to have the tools to fill the spot, but hasn’t played an NFL down yet. So we either go with the undependable (Spencer), the unpredictable (Unger) or the comfortably mediocre (Vallos).
And what is up with Fooch? Is he banging out these posts on a keyboard that slowly loses keys (like the typewriter in Misery), so that all he has left is the “B” key? I don’t know a thing about the Niner’s center, but I successfully predicted the grade before I read the post.
I think we're safe to just knock any SF grade down a full level, even without knowing the subject matter, yet.
So far I’m batting 1,000 doing that.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer
True.
And there will be a LB ‘A’ grade for Willis, I imagine at some point, which I’ll agree with.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer
MLB, maybe.
Overall, no. Takeo Spikes is a fossil and Manny Lawson hasn’t been anywhere near the pass-rushing terror he was drafted to be.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 12, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, I certainly am not enamored with the entire corps of LBs in SF.
No question. But MLB, yes.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer
Spikes
I wouldn’t call him a fossil. He had a very solid season last year and while he might not be the best out there, he still brings something to the table as the Ted linebacker.
As far as outside linebackers, don’t forget that Parys Haralson had more sacks than anybody in the NFC West and he wasn’t even a full time player thanks to Mike Nolan jerking him around.
by David Fucillo on Jun 12, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
Haralson is easy to miss but looks good. If he continues going as he was last year, expect him to be a household name amongst us NFCWesters by the end of this season.
That said, if you do give the entire LB corpse (not sure if you’re splitting inside and outside) an A, we will mock you relentlessly, Fooch.
by Thomas Beekers on Jun 12, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Why not? He's nearing 33 and showed some age related decline as far back as his tenure with the Eagles.
He wasn’t bad by any means last season but who’s to say he won’t decline due to age?
And how many of Haralson’s sacks were coverage sacks? Not discounting him, I actually want to know.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 12, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Haralson
Don’t know off the top of my head.
As for Spikes, sure he could decline due to age. At the same time, he’s not in a position where he has to be a playmaker next to Willis. It’s a big plus, but his role in the Ted is different than his previous roles.
by David Fucillo on Jun 12, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I see.
While you’re here, what do you think of Manny Lawson? Do you think he will contribute anything as a pass-rusher?
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 12, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Lawson
It’s tough to tell. While we’d love to see some pass rushing skills, he’s been used more frequently in a coverage role. That was part of the problem with the random defense Mike Nolan was employing. Supposedly they’re going to utilize him as more of a pass rusher this year, but obviously who knows what will happen. The potential is definitely there, but he’s a big question mark until he actually proves himself as an NFL pass rusher.
by David Fucillo on Jun 12, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
My avg. just went down...
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Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer
I wouldn't call Vallos a mediocre Center
I think we saw enough of him last year to realize that while he was a stand-up guy to fill the role, he’s not a Center. Though the uncertainties of how players will perform in the ZBS leaves my head spinning.
For a guy who hadn't played center in college, he was great.
He did ok in the job, I just don’t think he’s really above average or has great potential as a center. I didn’t say he was bad, I just wouldn’t want him starting for us. On the other hand, I think he makes a pretty decent 3rd stringer.
I meant that Vallos was worse than mediocre,
Not better (mediocre being average). It’s certainly nice to have depth at a postion that’s been missing depth for the last couple of years. That being said, Vallos is one of those guys who may not even be on the team this year unless he shows something at Guard.
Center seems like a weird position to grade.
I would’ve thought it would’ve been the entire O-line as a unit.
I wonder if there were a poll of all 30 teams how many people would give their centers a D or an F. For whatever reason it just seems like a bad center is a C or a C-. Maybe because they can’t hurt you as bad? And if they do suck, it’s not as noticeable as a TE who can’t catch a ball?
even though I'm a Cardinals fan, I'll admit that's a really good point
I’m sure that there weren’t too many centers who were as bad as Sendlein was for most of last year, although the injury didn’t help I’m sure. But a bad center can get a ton of help from his guards and very rarely takes anyone on mano-a-mano.
Sean Mahan, Steelers C 2007.
That guy was a one-man liability on nearly every snap. Most starting centers aren’t awful to that point, but I suppose there are a few that blow to the point that you actually notice them.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 12, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Liking these more and more..
At first these roundtables seemed a little over-hoemristic, but I have to say, they’ve greatly improved with time. Awesome stuff.
Agreed on all accounts
Heitmann is underrated. Wanted Jason Brown. Didn’t really realize til now, this is kind of a strong division for Centers.
Hear, hear
I have enjoyed these roundtables, too. As someone who sneaks his off-season football fixes in four-minute increments, I appreciate the one-stop-shopping aspect for doing a quick scouting of the division, and (if I may be homeric), I think JM’s yeoman Seahawks coverage is rubbing off on the other contributors to this roundtable series. Good job, everyone.
"only three were ever elected to a Pro Bowl and only one was elected to multiple Pro Bowls: Don Mosebar."
Kevin Mawae?
Or was he drafted as a guard?
Also, Fooch…
Eh at least I’m used to the Bs by now.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
Mawae was drafted as a center
But in the 2nd round at pick #36.
Seattle Seahawks: We've got Brian Russell and TWO kickers!
Oh, my bad.
I thought he was a first rounder. Maybe I was thinking of Pete Kendall.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 12, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Holy crap.
I just made a reference to the exact same Simpsons episode.
“GO AHEAD, WASTE YOUR VOTE”.

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