2008 Season Retrospective: Julius Jones
Overview: On March 3, 2008 and before cutting Shaun Alexander, Seattle signed Julius Jones to a four-year, $11.8 million contract. Maurice Morris started week one. Morris left with a knee injury and Jones would start the next three games. It was the most productive three game stretch of his season. Jones rushed for 328 yards on 65 carries against the Rams, 49ers and Giants. The greater part of that coming against the two bad teams. Morris was gradually reinserted into the rotation in week six and outclassed Jones as a rusher. Jones would see 18 total touches in the final six games, not playing at all in week 14, and only seeing significant action in week 13. He fumbled twice against the Cowboys.
What went right: Jones was an excellent pass blocker. Something Seattle has not had in a running back since John L. Williams. And Williams was a fullback. He was a competent receiver though rarely targeted. In his good weeks he showed decent moves and more power than expected. Jones was an undemanding running back that took his assigned hole and did with it what could reasonably be expected. He has good vision, accelerates smoothly and is quick enough to take advantage of cutback lanes.
Quintessential Game: Rams at Seahawks
Last non-special teams play of the half. The cap on a refreshingly merciless drive by Seattle. Seattle breaks 3 WR, TE, Rb. Rams in a 4-3 with eight in the box. They're walking up pressure in preparation for an obvious blitz. Carlson is on the left, where he saw a surprising number of snaps. Carlson has proven himself a dangerous enough receiver that he demands DB attention, and that mixture of receiving threat with competent run blocking makes this play work. Ron Bartell plays opposite Carlson. At the snap, the Rams blitz seven. Walter Jones blocks hard in, Mike Wahle drops back but delays his pull, Chris Spencer pulls into the second level, engaging Will Witherspoon, and Carlson locks down Pisa Tinoisamoa. Julius Jones runs up behind Jones, Wahle completes his pull dominating Bartell, Jones cuts out, cuts back behind Tinoisamoa and enters the third level with only three to beat. His wending, 32 yard rush is a legitimate third gear from pay dirt.
What went wrong: Jones recorded one of the more empty 4.4 yards per carry in recent memory. He had four fumbles. His two best games came against the second worst run defense in the NFL and a San Francisco team employing a fulltime nickel package. Jones was eclipsed by Morris as a rusher and, in part because of a public blowup, was functionally benched.
Outlook: Jones is one of Tim Ruskell's low-end free agents he signs to fill out a roster, and that another team might not sign in favor of playing a draft pick. His cap hit in 2008 was $1.5 and after counting $2.7 million against the cap in 2009, Seattle is free to cut him without penalty. The penalty is if Jones sucks. The value is that these signings allow Seattle to consistently select best player available in the draft.
I don't think Jones did or will suck. He's an average rusher, very good blocker and a good receiver. Like every player, he's sure the new system fits his style and will unlock his potential. Jones could be good in a zone-blocking scheme, but he should have been good in Mike Holmgren's man scheme, too. What's much more likely to improve Jones' play is a healthy Matt Hasselbeck. Jones is a former speed rusher that's now just fast. He still has the wheels to break long runs, but is no longer a matchup problem. His good health, rounded skill-set and low price should make him a valuable if largely unspectacular running back.
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Glad to read this today.
I think it’s spot on, too. I hope we use him on more passes out of the backfield or even occasionally in the slot. I’m not sure of his abilities to run routes beyond those typical used by teams for their RBs, though.
I would have been very happy if we had drafted someone to threaten Jones’ job and possibly take over at some future point. Even someone like Rashad Jennings in round 6-7 would have me feeling a lot more comfortable with our RB situation. I do like Moore, and to a lesser degree Forsett.
The big question is: what happens if Jones goes down due to injury?
The other question is: do we draft a talented RB next year (Please!)?
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer
To expand on your question
John – what realistic options does Seattle have if J.Jones simply fails to perform?
The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.
I think Seattle will give Forsett and Moore a chance
and if they look capable, trust them, and if not, sign or trade for depth.
by John Morgan on Jun 17, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
As for next year
Seattle will draft best available talent as they always do. That is, if Ruskell is still in charge. They might prioritize running back, but they won’t reach. They’ll wait until they think value is available.
by John Morgan on Jun 17, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Kind of funny
that this is NOT actually damning with faint praise, actually. As ambivalent as it is, it’s also some of the higher regarded conclusions I’ve read people make about Juice, since he’s been with us.
JJ on the bench last year.
People keep saying that Mo Mo outclassed Jones last year but I was reasonably impressed with both of them in front of such a ragged OL. My thought was that we played Mo Mo a lot more because it was his contract year and Jones turns 28 on August 14th. It makes more sense to let Mo Mo earn his money since we were clearly not going to bring him back, especially once we started really struggling. Jones is approaching the dreaded 30 so best to save his legs for a season that matters.
I am worried about what will happen if Jones gets injured. I think Forsett and Moore could do pretty well in limited roles. Forsett returning punts and coming in against a tired defense before it’s time for Duckett. Moore as a kick returner and scat back. They could probably handle it for a few weeks but any serious injury to Jones will probably warrant a FA signing… The ageless ZBS cut-master Warrick Dunn would be my pick.
TR loves the muti-year productive players in college so it could be that he has his eye on someone from next year’s class. I think Butler’s former PSU teammate Evan Royster looks like a good cut back runner and fits the TR mold thus far so he might be someone to keep an eye on this year in college football.
". It makes more sense to let Mo Mo earn his money since we were clearly not going to bring him back"
no it doesn’t. from a realpolitik, zero sum point of view it makes sense to bury him on the depth chart so we could bring him back. playing morris and ignoring jones is an perfect example of mike holmgren not managing his personnel. a 60-40 split between them would make much more sense. (or, to nitpick something along the lines of 50% morris, 30% jones, 20% duckett)
coaches need to put their players in a position to succeed.
Holmgren did.
He put his player, Mo Morris, in position to succeed and put Ruskell’s player on the bench.
by Built2Spill on Jun 17, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
It's hard not to see it that way for me, too.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer
You think Mo Mo would have resigned if we had played JJ more?
There are virtually zero situations where we would have brought Mo Mo back. Best to get all we could out of him. Perhaps Holmgren was playing the RB he was most comfortable with but I don’t think TR had any problem with it and possibly even encouraged it. RB is the most brutal position in the NFL and it makes sense to save an important veteran for more important seasons.
In games with carried the ball 15 times or more, JJ averaged 5.14 YPC. With 10 carries or less he averaged just 3.81 YPC. This contrast speaks to his struggles sharing time in Dallas and why the Hawks didn’t draft an RB.
by Hawkhammer19 on Jun 17, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
At least he's a lot better than Dallas fans made him out to be.
When we first signed him last year, all I heard from Dallas fans accross different boards, is that we can expect him to just run straight into the line and fall down on first contact. They also kept pointing out that if he could only manage 3.6 ypc behind the Cowboy’s monster Oline, we could expect him to average 2 ypc behind our crappy line.
Now looking back at last year, Barber ran for 3.7 ypc behind the same Oline, while Jones ran for 4.4 behind our “crappy line” which was missing starters. Even if you take away Jones two best games against the Rams and 49ers, he still was at 3.8, still better than Barber, if only a little. Also Jones appeared to run hard and did not often go down on first contact.
He may not be one of the best RBs out there, but I think he’s pretty good for the price we’re paying. I’m looking forward to seeing what he can do with a full load. He had way to many games where he had 10 or less carries (9 games total, including two with 0 carries).
by Mind of no mind on Jun 16, 2009 5:35 PM PDT reply actions
Great writeup
Julius Jones is a bit of a lightning rod for criticism, not just among fans but in the media. Walter Football, which did a fairly good job on its 2009 Seahawks preview, gave the Seahawks RB’s a 1/5 rating essentially because he felt Jones was a horrible piece of garbage. When Seattle first signed Jones, I was horrified because of his reputation of being such a bad runner for a good offense. To put it one way, Jones felt like last offseason’s equivalent to the Colin Cole signing.
Jones impressed me though, and by week 3, I was legitimately glad he was a Seahawk. Not only did he get off to a good start, but he had a tougher running style than I expected and had better moves than I expected. His production went downhill as the opponents got harder, but it wasn’t because Jones changed. The offense around him collapsed.
Jones had a negative rushing DYAR last year and a uncharacteristically negative receiving DYAR as well. Other than his 4.4 ypc, the stats didn’t like Jones in 2008. To the naked eye, Jones looked like an average rusher, great blocker, and good receiver. With a competent, healthy offense around him, and when accounting for his peripheral skills, Jones is at least an average RB if not slightly above average. He still has 2 years left before hitting 30. Some dissagree with me, but I didn’t feel RB was an urgent need in the 2009 draft for Seattle. Jones and Duckett are not a weakness on this team, at least not for another 2 seasons.
Yeah, I still don't understand why the RB situation is ranked as the league's worst in numerous places.
We lack depth but Jones and Duckett are competent at worst.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 17, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I understand your point, but look at it from another angle.
How many rushing attacks can you name that are ‘worse’ than ours? Or, which team in the NFL has a ‘worse’ starting RB? I’m still trying to figure that out…
When all is said and done, based on what Knapp has done at virtually every stop and personnel, we should have a good running game. Probably better than quite a few teams. But, on paper, ours looks like the dregs of the league.
Saints? Pierre Thomas/Reggie Bush. Lions? Kevin Smith/Mo Morris. We could probably tab the Bengals as worse: Benson and Felonmeister Bernard Scott…hmm
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer
Steelers.
Probably Lions if that line doesn’t improve. Saints because they refuse to run and Reggie Bush sucks. Bengals, surprisingly good with Benson but not averaging out well in terms of YPC.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 17, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Mendenhall could be a beast, but the line is suspect
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer
I liked him during coming out of that draft.
But meh, being rocked by Ray Lewis in his first game starting to end his season wasn’t a very promising debut and doesn’t bode well in the future for a division as physical as the AFC North.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 17, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Right
Like Ricky Williams’ re-return, separating that muscle and proving he’d been out too long, won’t be making any sort of comeback.
by jacobstevens on Jun 18, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Har har.
I hear the Bengals drafted some Maualuga kid to pair with Keith Rivers and that dude who has his own TV show.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jun 22, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I disagree with the "outclassed" description as well.
Morris did break some big runs. But to my eyes, Jones was the better runner. I was at the SF game and Jones broke more tackles than I’ve seen a Hawk break in ages.
And this is from me, a guy who was calling for Mo as far back as 2006/07.
Should the offensive line and passing game click, I truly believe that Jones will come into his own. He’s not a 1500 yard back, clearly, but he could certainly have 1200 while Duckett and Forsett combine for maybe 400 or 500. That he’s already an accomplished receiver and blocker makes him a valuable player in my eyes.
Running style
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNzjumWryjg&feature=related
I just re watched this highlight reel from Jones in his Dallas days. It struck me that I didn’t see a single spin move the entire time. I think he picked that up last year and really fell in love with it. It’s a remarkable contrast in my eyes. He seems to have a bit more wiggle now and sets his jukes up better.

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