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2008 Season Retrospective: Will Herring

Overview: Will Herring played in 11 games, starting in week 16 and playing the majority of week 17. He mostly participated as a special teams player. He had two tackles and a fumble recovery. As a starter and as a special teams player, Herring ran and ran and ran.

What went right: Herring ran on cover teams. He ran in front of return men. He ran around behind the defensive line and ran around blockers. He ran back twenty yards and ran back to get into the play. That's some good cardio.

Quintessential game: Jets @ Seahawks

Pinball Wizard: Get this kid some Adderall! I've never seen a linebacker so incapable of finishing any one action before beginning another. God put quicksilver in his veins and it's seeped into his brains. Kid's just goofy agile, real quick and goofy frenetic. Jitters aside, Will Herring brings some interesting qualities. First, let's talk Herring the run stuffer. He's not. Herring stays above the scrum so that his tackles tend to come a couples yards too late. He had two to this point, one after seven and one after four. He's a much better pass defender than Leroy Hill. Brett Favre seemed to sense that and twice looked Herring's way before targeting another receiver. He's Slim Jim lean, and looks more safety than linebacker, but you can't discount the potential. He needs another ten+ pounds of bulk, and that's going to bite a little into his speed and agility, but understand he ran a 4.57/40 and 6.56/3 Cone (.31 seconds faster than Marcus Trufant and likely fastest on the roster), so the potential to fill out and retain what makes him is there. Because a little lost frenzy might do Herring some good.

What went wrong: Buried on the depth chart, Herring will again have to contribute as a special teams player. So far he hasn't. I think Herring may be too smart or just not bloodthirsty enough to fulfill the maniac gunner he looks capable of becoming.

Outlook: I will miss the preseason if it goes away or is shortened. I will miss seeing Herring pinballing around looking for action. I will miss the Heater's chance to be the baddest hitter on the field. The Seahawks could platoon the two and have most of the abilities of a an NFL linebacker, if only in waves. Perhaps when Leroy Hill takes his yearly injury hiatus, Seattle will. Gus Bradley seems open to situational positions. Most coaches are against telegraphing their play call and don't, even if running a nickel or dime package seems more transparent that rotating a linebacker.

Herring is very quick and has excellent agility. In clear passing downs, he's almost defensive back good in the short zone. Unlike most bulked up safeties, he's not, never-ever, a big hitter. That limits him a lot as a linebacker, because he just doesn't belong in a scrum. He hasn't really shown it as a pro, but I believe Herring has very good ball skills. Even with a healthy Leroy Hill, Herring deserves looks in nickel downs. Seattle has worked Aaron Curry at end, and should it run a 3-3 with Curry at end or 4-2 with Curry at end, Herring should see some snaps at weakside linebacker.

Not that I expect that to happen.

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Surprisingly, I really enjoyed this one.

Probably because of how little I knew about Herring before reading this. I think it’s a great idea to cover the lesser-know guys for that reason. These continue to be fine reading not found anywhere else.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Jun 18, 2009 4:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks.

These are great for me too, because they require less time than almost anything else. Beyond the stuff I have to do while it’s slow, it’s been nice the last few months having time to get back to some of my hobbies. I’m reading non-football related books!

by John Morgan on Jun 18, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Non-football related books?

Not that I’m not knee deep in my own pile of books but do you have any recommendations?

by Nate Dogg on Jun 18, 2009 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right now I'm reading

The Broom of the System, the Thin Man and Dubliners. Dubliners is short stories so I’m not so much reading it as reading it when I have a few minutes. Ie, it’s in my bathroom. It hasn’t really caught me, but Portrait of the Artist as a young man left me kind of cold, too. And I would have thought I would have really enjoyed that. I think I’m reading Dubliners so as to further put off Ulysses, which I’ve read ~50 pages and put down like six years ago.

The Broom of the System is excellent, though you can tell when Wallace is writing from personal experience and when he’s being more, say, zany. The zany is interesting if more clever than funny, but the more personal stuff is just thrilling. The kind of complex almost confusing emotional resonance that makes me love books.

The Thin Man is very good and really good enough to transcend detective fiction. I love Hammett’s voice and hope I can steal from his fast, no bullshit style.

Recently I read The Death of Ivan Ilyich. It’s just a novella, but it was depressive enough to make me claustrophobic and have to put the book down for a few days. Before that I read Parasites Like Us. Very good and fast. Not maybe a light read, but maybe light literature if that makes sense.

And I read about half of Bonk last weekend. Super, super easy read that I read over my Best friend/Brother and his girlfriend’s apartment. Bonk is that kind of pop nonfiction that’s sorta of vogue but kind of like written candy.

There’s been a couple bits and pieces since after the draft ended, but nothing I can really think of in detail now.

by John Morgan on Jun 19, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wha...?

They’re working Curry at end?

by Nate Dogg on Jun 18, 2009 4:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I missed that

Think anything will come of it?

by Nate Dogg on Jun 18, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, maybe.

He’s not there for his health. He can’t edge rush like Julian, but he’s a lot stronger and is very quick off the snap and exceptionally quick and agile for an end.

by John Morgan on Jun 18, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That reads more dickish than I intended.

What I’m saying is I think they have him there because they’re at least curious if he can stick.

by John Morgan on Jun 18, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You strive for only being moderately dickish, right?

Sando was writing about this too, he seems to be on top of just about everything. Mora talked about waiting to see him in pads, but that in their pass rush drills that he looked awesome.

It’s too early, but it’s fun to drool about your favorite formation; 3-3/4-2 nickle. If Curry can handle it, we might have that defense a lot longer than Peterson is in the NFL. I do love your thoughts of having Herring play coverage LB in that defense, but I was actually expecting Leroy to be playing the Peterson role and for Curry to play with Tatupu as one of the two LBs back in the 4-2.

Do you think the defense would be too weak with Curry, Hill, Tatupu, and Herring, say with Mebane and Redding or something?

by cashless on Jun 18, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crazy enough, I try to be completely civil.

It’s just tough to be jocular and bust balls like guys do without it coming off wrong. Also, I have the social skills of a panda.

by John Morgan on Jun 19, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I feel the same way.

Except I would compare myself to a tapir.

by jacobstevens on Jun 19, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was not serious, but tone of course does not come across.

You are definately right though. It is tough to do that, and to be avoided. I am curious about your thoughts on that nickle defense though, at the risk of fantasy coaching. To me it’s more of a football opinion I’m looking for.

by cashless on Jun 19, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Trufant ran .31 seconds slower than a 40 time of 4.57 sec

Wouldn’t that be a 4.89 second 40 time? Wasn’t Jenkins spurned as a putative corner because he ran a disappointing time in the 4.50-4.60 range and was relegated to be a safety-in-training?

by ninjasocks on Jun 18, 2009 4:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

oh, ok

So Herring has more lateral quickness/agility. It seems like that is probably more important for a pass coverage-type LB than the longer-range, straight line speed of the 40.

by ninjasocks on Jun 18, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another great assessment

I’ve easily found my new home for Hawks coverage.

I’m a fan of Herring’s. He was the guy I was rooting for to fight for a starting job had we not drafted Curry or let Hill walk.

Guyz, I need ur help. Im txting from my iphone. I'm at a girls house i like, & i had 2 go 2 the bthroom. It was #2, & i clogged the toilet, water is everywhere. What should I do?

by MontpikeMike on Jun 18, 2009 6:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I used to be on Seahawkblue.com

This site has surpassed that as my primary Seahawks site. I come here for the analysis and discussion mostly, but for news and coverage, I go to Seahawkaddicts.com

Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.

by Carl Shinyama on Jun 18, 2009 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Forget this place, it's all about Dave Krieg's Strike Beard!

That place is great too.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jun 20, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"God put quicksilver in his veins and it's seeped into his brains."

Hahaha perfect. Herring is an interesting story, I really enjoyed this analysis. I like the kid as a backup with some upside and could be a major special teams player. Do you know anything about his blocking? I’m wondering because of the increased importance of LB sized players in kick returns with no wedge.

 I’m not sure when we’d run it but I think he could be good as the 4th in a 4-4 and Grant as the deep safety. Perhaps against a double TE set. He is probably the best man defender against receiving TEs and this would free up our other LBs.

by Hawkhammer19 on Jun 18, 2009 8:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What about in a goal line defense?

What kind of defense is used in those situations? Is it madden-like, with a 5-3, or are they more complex?

by cashless on Jun 18, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blitz all 11 players.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jun 20, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

10.5

Russel only counts so much.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Jun 20, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Covert to Safety

Do you think he would be a good safety?

He played it in college. Just a thought if he is that agile and is not really big enough for a linebacker.

by halktalk23 on Jun 22, 2009 6:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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