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NFC West Roundtable: Offensive Tackle

Seattle's tackles turn on the health of Walter Jones.

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Seattle's tackles turn on the health of Walter Jones.

Seattle Seahawks
Blogger: John Morgan

I’m in a tough spot. There was a time I would guess about Walter Jones. I would guess if he’s healthy enough to play and if healthy enough to play, at what level. I won’t do that. Because of that, Seattle’s tackle ranking is incomplete. Jones is one of the five best offensive tackles to ever play in the NFL. Even as late as last year, he played at a high level. He turned 35 this January. He ended last season on IR and underwent some kind of microfracture surgery. The success rate for players of his age, weight and who play a line position is not good, but that’s for all microfracture surgeries. The team insists this was a "minor" surgery and that Jones will be ready by training camp.

Primary right tackle Sean Locklear is Seattle’s immediate depth behind Jones. Locklear started two games at left tackle last season. His first, against New England, matched him opposite future Hall of Fame defensive end Richard Seymour. Seymour is a matchup nightmare for Locklear. Locklear has a few above average skills. He mirror slides very well and is rarely beat around the edge. His overall footwork allows him to play well in space or when isolated, and he does a great job of keeping himself between the quarterback and the defender. He has decent blocking technique and can get under defenders, but isn’t a mauler and isn’t overpowering. Seymour is powerhouse end that’s made a career out of overwhelming, overpowering and outlasting opposing tackles. He targets Locklear’s greatest weakness: The ability to sustain blocks especially against a bull rush. Yet Locklear held his own. He played strong against Seymour and looked capable of becoming a competent left tackle.

Seattle didn’t get many chances to test Locklear’s aptitude. He was lost for the season one week later. Kyle Williams started the next two games. It took a lot of game-planning, but Seattle survived. Should Williams start, Seattle would almost certainly have one of the worst regulars at left tackle in the NFL, but he’s starter capable. The Seahawks are legitimately three-deep at left tackle. There’s good if not substantial proof that Seattle could start Jones, Locklear or Williams at left tackle and field a capable offense.

The other big body in the tackle mix is Ray Willis. Tim Ruskell drafted him in the fourth round of the 2005 draft. Willis is a huge body, hugely powerful and surprisingly athletic. He doesn’t handle the edge rush well and is a confirmed right tackle, but given tight end help or a chip when needed and he’s a good enough overall pass blocker. He is a very good run blocker and capable of being great. With a healthy Jones, Willis probably starts at right guard or works as a super-sub. Locklear starts at right and is a potential league-best pass-blocking right tackle. It was Seattle’s pass blocking that made its 2007 passing offensive possible.

The Seahawks could toy with Max Unger at tackle, but probably won’t. For deep depth there’s Na’Shan Goddard, who’s more size than athlete, and William Robinson, who’s more athlete than size. (He’s built like a basketball player.) The grade flexes on Jones. Without him it’s an average unit that could collapse. Greater exposure may prove Locklear incapable of playing left tackle. Neither Locklear nor Willis are consistently healthy. There’s "A" potential and there’s "F" potential. I’ll put my faith in Walter and call it a "B".

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San Francisco 49ers
Blogger: Fooch

The 49ers offensive tackles are yet another tough group to call.  If everybody stays healthy, this unit could be a very solid strength for the team.  If they're beset by a couple of injuries, they could come down like a house of cards.
 
The projected starters are Joe Staley at left tackle and Marvel Smith at right tackle.  Staley is entering his third season in the league and his second season as the left tackle.  He struggled at times last year, but over the course of the season developed into a solid guy on the blind side.  The 49ers rewarded him this offseason with a contract extension that will keep him a 49er through 2017.  He is going to be the anchor of this offensive line for a long time to come.
 
On the other side is Marvel Smith.  The 49ers added him this offseason in hopes that he could fill the hole on the right side.  Smith has dealt with numerous injury issues which left him on the free agent market longer than he probably would have liked.  If he can stay healthy, the Oakland native could be a monster on the right side and give the 49ers two great bookends for the OL.  Given the recent past I'm not exactly holding my breath, but the upside here is quite tremendous.
 
If Smith goes down (or if Staley does for that matter), the 49ers primary backups are Adam Snyder and Barry Sims.  Sims is running out of time in this league and it showed at times last year.  He and Snyder split time at right tackle once Jonas Jennings went down with his annual injury.  I personally think Snyder handled himself capably after getting bounced back and forth between tackle and guard.  He actually started the first seven games of the season at left guard, before being benched a week and then taking over at right tackle for six weeks.  Although it's nice to show versatility, Adam Snyder will benefit by being able to finally concentrate on just on position.
 
A wildcard for the 49ers is undrafted free agent Alex Boone.  At one point Boone was projected as a potential top three round tackle.  Unfortunately his season was a bust as he had major alcohol issues leading to an arrest and tasering at one point.  If Boone can keep sober, he could provide some much needed depth this season.  At the same time, I'd imagine he's working with a rather short leash.
 
In grading this team, I was tempted to go relatively high again.  I think by the end of the year, we'll (or at least 49ers will) be looking back at the 49ers tackles as quite the strength for this team.  I think a little more consistency on the offensive line, starting at the tackle positions, will be extremely beneficial to the team.  At the same time, Joe Staley did struggle at times and will need to show continued improvement (which I am confident we'll see).  And of course, Marvel Smith has to prove he can stay healthy.  If he goes down, Snyder is a capable backup, but in the end that's all he is for now.  If we had minuses or pluses I'd probably go B-/C+, but I'll round down for now and expect to be proven wrong. Grade: C

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Blogger: VanRam

The Rams enter new territory this season with long time fixture on the offensive line Orlando Pace gone, released and later signed by the Bears. It would be hard for many Rams fans to imagine life without Pace on the offensive line if they hadn't already had a taste of that since Pace has played in less than half of the team's games over the last three seasons.

Moving Alex Barron from the right to the left side was the first move of the post-Pace era. Barron has always been a solid blocker in both facets of the offense, but many within the organization felt they could get the most out of his talents on the left side given his wing span and athletic ability.  Barron has to overcome his penalty problem to be effective and reach his potential, and some have questioned Barron's passion for the game. Nevertheless, he has been on the field, sometimes playing through injuries, for every game in the last three seasons. The new coaching staff seems to like what Barron has to offer and has made getting the most out of him a top priority, including bringing a ref to practice to drive home the point and help players learn snap counts in the new offense. Barron's hardly a bust, but can he reach his full potential?

On the other side, is the second pick from this year's draft, Jason Smith. Smith comes to the league with a reputation as an already solid pass blocker. Those too quick to discount his run blocking should know that 65% of Baylor's rushing yards came on his side of the field last season. There's no question this kid can play. The only questions Smith faces are: how high is his ceiling and how quickly can he reach it? The Rams can afford to let him develop, but they need for him to be a solid contributor in his rookie year. Fortunately, it's not unusual for top rookie OTs to play well in their first season.

The primary backup at OT is University of Wyoming product Adam Goldberg, a versatile lineman who has played well filling in for the numerous injured Rams starters in recent seasons. Goldberg's a reliable backup and the team doesn't lose much when he's playing.

Behind Goldberg, the depth chart has what you'd expect: some guys with nice potential plucked from the undrafted free agent ranks. Most notable among them is former Florida LT Phil Trautwein, a first team All-SEC player in 2008. Not bad for a guy who missed his entire '07 season with a fractured foot. Plenty of people will be watching when he puts the pads on at camp this summer to see if Devaney plucked another useful player from obscurity.

I'm cautiously optimistic about this group. For now, they get a C+, but if Barron cuts down on the penalties...

Arizona Cardinals
Blogger: cgolden

The Cardinals offensive tackles are one of the more polarizing position groups on the team. Some fans will tell you that the combo of Mike Gandy and Levi Brown are two guards playing out of position who can't handle speed rushers and aren't holding their own in the running game. Other fans will say that the duo is pretty productive considering that they are often left on an island in pass coverage and have a statue for a QB. I tend to fall somewhere in the middle of the pack, with a slight lean to the latter, although I wouldn't be terribly surprised if both Gandy and Brown performed better at guard.

Overall the combo of Gandy and Brown are dependable starters in my mind. Gandy is the better of the two right now because he's better equipped to handle speed rushers, regardless of how bad he looked in the Super Bowl. He's adequate in the running game although he'll never be mistaken for a mauler, but overall he's a dependable protector of Kurt Warner's blind side. Levi Brown has been a bit of an enigma as he enters his third season and his biggest problem as a professional so far is being consistent. At times he looks like a physical protector worthy of his draft pick status while other times he can't handle speed rushers or move anyone in the running game. Still though, the talent is there and if Brown can manage to perform at a consistent level he'll be solid starter in this league for many years.

The backup situation is hard to explain because two of the three top backups can and likely will play guard at some point in their careers. To start simple, Elliot Vallejo is the primary backup at left tackle and the coaching staff thinks he's got starting potential somewhere in his future. Vallejo's future will likely be tested next off season as Gandy is a free agent and Vallejo would seem to be the first in line to fill the void, unless Brandon Keith gets into the mix. Keith, last year's seventh round pick, has turned heads since his very first practice last summer and he will be a starter somewhere on the line in the very near future. Last year Keith focused on right tackle but so far this off season he's been working at right guard. Some, mainly myself, think he's being prepped to start at right guard this season before stepping into a different starting role in 2010. Herman Johnson, this year's fifth round pick, is currently working out at right tackle but most think it's just a matter of time before he settles in at right guard.

Looking at the group as a whole, I'd say the starters are average or something very close to that and the depth is well above average. With that in mind, my grade is a C.

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Adam Snyder is terrible.

I don’t understand why someone would be confident in him as depth.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jun 19, 2009 1:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

One of the very few not drinking the spiked Kool-Aid at ninersnation

Joe Staley (49ers) 8.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
Adam Snyder (49ers) 9.5 sacks allowed (13 starts)
Barry Sims (49ers) 7.5 sacks allowed (? starts)

by supraman on Jun 19, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sums it up in a nutshell.

Staley can be given the benefit of the doubt for a number of reasons, Sims is widely recognized as terrible, but Snyder is equally bad but without the bad rep.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jun 19, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm confident in our grade.

And think the other grades were apt.

I’m excited about Willis more and more. Hopefully, he wins the RG job before a move to tackle upon Jone’s retirement and we can brawl with runs up the middle this season. How good is Locklear’s run-blocking is a question I still feel is unanswered – possibly because of the praise heaped on his pass-blocking, particularly from the RT spot. How does a solid RG help that, I wonder.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Jun 19, 2009 3:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

According to Coach Mora

Walter Jones was staying after practice, running hard, and beginning to cut on this repaired knee after last week’s OTAs. That’s nothing but great news. If Walter returns to anchor the LOT, we can survive some shuffling in the interior O line.

by Stevo's on Jun 19, 2009 4:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Walter may be invincible

Let’s hope he is as freakish at healing as he is at playing LT.

by ASeahawkfan on Jun 19, 2009 11:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ditto.

Our season rests upon it in part.

"And the life of man, solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and short." Thomas Hobbes' "Leviathan"

"But, in spite of these things, it was a gay and magnificent revel." Edgar Allen Poe "The Masque of the Red Death"

by Grimm Blackwood on Jun 20, 2009 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Part of me wants Walter to hang it up so we can find out what we've got

It feels like players such as Locklear and Willis are kind of hanging, waiting to see what happens.

by djafrot on Jun 20, 2009 12:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Locklear disagrees.

He said that he wants Walt to stick around for a couple more seasons.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jun 20, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well what's he supposed to say?

“I’m hoping that he retires as soon as possible”?

by Brendan Scolari on Jun 20, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’s already getting paid, why would he rather deal with the beasts on the left side?

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain

by blackvanilla on Jun 21, 2009 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

not quite as optimistic...

While we can’t predict injuries, which have had an impact, Walter has seemed to have slipped the last few years.

He’s still very good – when healthy – but I don’t think we can expect him to be dominant. I also am not exactly on the Locklear bandwagon – I think he’s better in pass protection than Willis, but not as solid in the run game.

I’d probably give Seattle a C.

I think the Rams grade is pretty generous, since it hinges entirely on a rookie, and they have no depth.

by PerryCollective on Jun 20, 2009 4:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I disagree about Walt slipping.

I mean, he’s not the no-shit best tackle in the game, HoFer in his prime, etc, but he’s still dominated recently. I mean, he was kicking all sorts of ass until that fiasco with DeMarcus Ware, but apparently he was playing with the fractured knee the entire game.

But I agree about Locklear. I don’t think Locklear is that special, but a solid starter at LT would still fantastic considering he was a third round pick or something like that.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jun 20, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

B!?

I would give the Seahawks a INC (incomplete) at this point. Last year they had a bad O-line for 2/3 of the year, then they played well over the last four games (without most of the starters). So what do they have now, who knows.

Walt will be fine, but I would guess he is at best the 6th or 7th best LT playing the game right now, but after being way better than the rest of the LT’s for so long that is not bad by any means. Whale is a big question mark at LG. If (IF!) he is healthy he is a legit top 20 guard, but he has not been there the last two years, so he is a question mark right now (watch out for Unger here as well). At center you have Spencer, all the talent but not a high IQ when it comes to making line calls. Between his bad calls, injuries, the drafting of Max Unger and his contract being up at the end of this year, Spencer will be at a cross roads this season. If he plays well and stays injury free he will get a nice contract, he chokes and Unger will take his spot this year. At RG you have Sims, Willis and Wrotto, I would give Sims the edge, but only beacuse he is being given every chance to win the spot, but both Willis and Wrotto will be in the mix. Lock is the RT (to much money put into him), but if Willis show up looking GREAT, Lock may lose his job, but I just don’t see that happening.

Seattle has good depth (Unger, Vallos, Williams, Wrotto, Robinson, WIllis), so I see a better O-line, but until we see how healthy they can stay they get an INC in my book.

As for the rest of the NFC West I would say:

SF 49ers- C+ or B-
STL Rams- B- (but might be the best in the NFCW at the end of the year)
AZ Cards- C- or C (Might be the worst in the NFCW if Seattle stays healthy)

by JustinWF on Jun 20, 2009 4:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, yea.

I think everyone here agrees that the Seattle O-Line is a huge question mark, no one really knows how it’s going to work out. We don’t even know what our line will be when the season starts, not to mention how it will hold up. But since an incomplete doesn’t really say anything, and the people posting these things are using A-F grades, JM’s gotta chose something. And if Walter holds up, a B is perfectly justified.

by Fear on Jun 20, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True.

B is a fine grade to give (based on how you look at it), I just have no idea what to expect when the season starts, but based on LAST YEAR, I would give the Hawks O-line a D+ or a C- not a B. Based on what could be, a B would be fine, but as of right now I see a C or C- line.

Also your other point is very true, when you make an article like this you have to give a grade, so my INC wouldn’t work. That is just how I look at our O-line until we can see some games in preseason.

by JustinWF on Jun 21, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This are just grades for the offensive tackles.

Not the whole line…

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Jun 20, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True.

I just started writing about the LT/RT spot, then I just got lost in the post and rambled on about the Hawks O-line as a whole (I didn’t know that was forbidden on this site, I’m new here). I will try and stay on topic next time, but also I won’t lose my mind if I get off topic a bit, and write some thoughts on the NFL team I love to watch.

by JustinWF on Jun 21, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It happens.

But this series has been going on for a while, and we are talking very specifically about OT. We have had a lot more issues on the interior of our OL than at OT. Or do you disagree with that?

by cashless on Jun 21, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What?
Seattle has good depth (Unger, Vallos, Williams, Wrotto, Robinson, WIllis), so I see a better O-line, but until we see how healthy they can stay they get an INC in my book.

Couldn’t you say the same thing about all the other teams, and for that matter, all other positions on all other teams? If you omit grades based on health, you may as well wait until after the season to make the grades. If you do that, what do we all read during this DEAD TIME!?

An “A” wouldn’t totally be out of the question. I was down on Walter a couple times last season, but learning about all his injuries after the fact has me more hopeful!

by StonerHawk on Jun 21, 2009 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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