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2008 Season Retrospective: Seneca Wallace

Overview: In his final season in Seattle, Mike Holmgren loosed his death grip on convention and let Seneca Wallace return punts. There was even talk of him playing wide receiver. Wallace rewarded Holmgren's boldness by injuring himself in pre-game warmups. He never returned a punt. He returned to start week seven in Tampa Bay. He started eight of the final 11 contests. It was his best season as a professional. He set career highs in completion percentage, adjusted net yards an attempt, sack percentage, interception percentage and DYAR. His interception rate was a sparkling 1.2%.

What went right: Three of Seattle's four wins were had with Wallace under center. He outperformed Matt Hasselbeck in most meaningful ways and validated his status as a top backup quarterback. For some, he established himself as a starter to be. He showed his normal arm strength. He improved his pocket awareness and poise, and turned some of that "weapon" talk into actual productive runs.

What went wrong: Wallace wasn't that different a quarterback than he's ever been. He did loopy things under pressure and made pressure of his own. Defenders would close on his target receiver clued by Wallace's unblinking eye. His read remains underdeveloped, though there's growth. Holmgren was running his nerfed playbook, and though his stats look superficially strong, Wallace was the leader of an anemic pass offense. Holmgren was cautious to a fault, and if Wallace didn't throw many interceptions, he didn't convert many long third downs either.

Outlook: Wallace's improved passing stats corresponded with a spike in yards after catch by his receivers. Of his 1,532 total passing yards, 49% or 755 yards were converted after the catch. Yards after catch correlate much more strongly to the receiver than the quarterback. As fans, we can give some heft to that statistic. We can give credit where credit is due on Leonard Weaver's 62 and 43 yard touchdown passes. Both were dump offs Weaver made gold. We can know Koren Robinson's 90 yard reception was a busted play by Philadelphia's defense, and an exception in an otherwise futile day for Wallace. We can see Wallace barely found Deion Branch in bounds before Branch reversed field for 63. All those yards are thrown into the statistical bucket, but Wallace will be hard pressed to relive any of them.

He continues to be among the league's best backup quarterbacks. In another circumstance, Wallace could have a short run as a serviceable starter. Maybe. Long a better athlete than quarterback, he could develop late in his career and still be something special. That's very unlikely. His low interception rate, strong quarterback rating and improved DYAR are more indicative of Holmgren's lack of trust than a fundamental improvement in Wallace's game. Wallace effectively executed Holmgren's nerfed playbook; Seattle passed for the fourth fewest yards in the NFL.

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with a fragile Hasselbeck, Wallace’s record of some success at QB, and his getting hurt during the punt return experiment last year, we can be pretty sure Wallace won’t play anything other than QB. His value is just too high there. It’s possible, if not necessarily likely, to imagine the Seahawks ending up within a game or two of .500 if Wallace has to play 4-5 games. If those 4-5 games are Mike Teel, we’re going to have a really nice-looking draft pick again next year, and I’m not talking about the pick we’re getting from Denver.

by jeager on Jun 23, 2009 4:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

"He did loopy things under pressure and made pressure of his own. Defenders would close on his target receiver clued by Wallace's unblinking eye."

I think the Eagles game is a good example. He nearly gave me a heart attack with his weird flip of the ball that took an eternity to get to Owen Schmitt.

I’m certain he tried that again later. As long as he’s under pressure he takes some suicidal risks.

Andy Reid is the only coach in NFL history that uses the pass to set up the pass.

by SSreporters on Jun 23, 2009 4:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You're missing an option D

Sprint as fast as possible to the sideline opposite the direction the play was designed. Or is that what he’s already doing in that picture?

by Nate Dogg on Jun 23, 2009 5:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I was looking forward for this breakdown...

Seneca, in my opinion, was so far underrated that I’d rather him be starter than any other backup in the nfl. He made something out of nothing, look at his o-line and receivers towards the end of the season, horrid. I’d take him over these starters: Shaub, Trent Edwards, Jeff Garcia, Frerotte, Shaun Hill, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Dan Orlovsky, Derrick Anderson, JaMarcus Russell, Tyler Thigpen, Jason Campbell, and Kyle Orton.

I would love for Knapp to let Seneca play, the guy is a straight up athlete and can start over any of those mentioned above. Call me a homer but this guy is just waiting to be let loose.

Great post JM.

by PoolNinja on Jun 23, 2009 6:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

So you'd rather have Wallace than a handful of crappy starters?

With the exception of Campbell, Shaub and maybe Edwards those are some pretty terrible quarterbacks. Seneca’s drop to a 1.2 INT% despite no noticable changes in his game seems awfully flukey and he was still outpeformed by Campbell and Shaub (656 and 863 DYAR to Senecas 295) while barely beating out Edwards (279 DYAR). Despite having such a low pick rate he still only led the 25th ranked passing offense, in terms of DVOA, with the total offense ranking 26th.

by Nate Dogg on Jun 23, 2009 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seneca just needs opportunites

All those other QB’s have more starts and on a consistent basis. Seneca won’t start over Hass, pending health. I’m sure Seneca can have similar numbers to Campbell and Shaub, only difference is athleticism, he just needs the consistent snaps.

by PoolNinja on Jun 24, 2009 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um, I'm pretty sure that

Derrick Anderson, JaMarcus Russell and especially Jason Campbell are far superior QB’s than Wallace. I’m looking forward to us seeing a true heir to Hasselbeck next year.

Stacey Nelson throws flaming screwballs.
It's great to be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Jun 24, 2009 5:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Russell?

Really, you’re sure? He has done bupkes.

by shams on Jun 24, 2009 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

but I think his raw talent is better than Wallace’s. I wonder how Russell would be if he learned from Holgren and Zorn for several years.

Stacey Nelson throws flaming screwballs.
It's great to be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Jun 24, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So really

you mean that they have more “potential” than Wallace, not that they “are far superior” than Wallace. A great talent that never achieves his potential is no less mediocre than a hard-working average Joe that does reach his potential.

Russell isn’t now better than Wallace, he just has the potential to be better than him (just like Spencer has the potential to be better than Unger).

by ninjasocks on Jun 24, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True, though Russell did play better the final few games...maybe (MAYBE) he's coming around...

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Jun 24, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know, man.

Russell looked sort of good the last few weeks, and that was with a piss-poor o-line and arguably the worst WR crew in the NFL.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jun 24, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"piss-poor o-line and arguably the worst WR crew in the NFL"

Of course. Seneca played behind a stellar line with pro-bowl caliber receivers

“Russell looked sort of good the last few weeks”

He had highs and lows. He had three games with a QB rating over 100 (2 vs Denver, 1 vs Houston), but also had 4 games with QB ratings in the 40s and 50s (including 2 in the last 5 weeks of the season). Wallace isn’t a superstar, by any means, but Russell can’t really be called “far superior” (at his point in his development).

by ninjasocks on Jun 24, 2009 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Russell is better now.

Seneca has been the same player for two or three years.

Stacey Nelson throws flaming screwballs.
It's great to be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Jun 25, 2009 5:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You'll be eating those words

When you see Kyle Orton light up Brandon Marshall, Eddie Royal and Tony Scheffler.

The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.

by Nick Andron on Jun 24, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh god I hope not

I want the draft pick to be nice and high.

by GarethLewin on Jun 24, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, don't worry.

Denver will put up points. But they’ll allow far more points.

The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.

by Nick Andron on Jun 24, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But they have Brian Dawkins and Champ Bailey!

;)

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Jun 24, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good Backup.

Seneca is a very good BACKUP, but in my book he will never be a full-time starter. Wallace has had a few years under Mike friggen Holmgren (and Jim Zorn) and he still looked lost on alot of his reads and he would also lock in on his WR’s as well. WIth that said, if he has not stoped yet I’m not sure he ever will.

Wallace has great feet and hands and at the end of the day he should have been a WR, but at this point Wallace will never be anything other than insurance for Matt. Good backup, but not a “full-time starter”.

by JustinWF on Jun 23, 2009 7:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

How long has he been in the league? For being under Holmgren and Zorn for so long, I’m tired of hearing about “improvement.” At this point, either the QB can hack it or not. Wallace certainly could never hack it as a starter.

Stacey Nelson throws flaming screwballs.
It's great to be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Jun 24, 2009 5:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You think he's that much worse than "Hill/Smith"

or “Rexy and the Neckbeard” or the guys they hike the ball to in Florida?

by ninjasocks on Jun 24, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean Miami or Tampa?

The Dolphins have a pretty solid QB; Pennington might not have a rocket of an arm, but he was the 2008 MVP runner-up and has the highest completion percentage in NFL history.

by thebyron on Jun 24, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK, so he had a good 2008 and had an amazing comeback

He’s probably better than Seneca. That said, he was released by the Jets the year before after being benched in favor of Kellen Clemens and, in my mind, he’s still a noodle-arm.

by ninjasocks on Jun 24, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How does a bad decision by the Jets reflect poorly on Pennington?

And he was released in favor of Brett Favre.

Pennington is a noodle arm, he’s also a very good quarterback.

by Nate Dogg on Jun 24, 2009 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But a noodle arm who can read defenses and make good decisions.

IQ trumps arm strength.

Stacey Nelson throws flaming screwballs.
It's great to be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Jun 25, 2009 5:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude

Wallace is not even in the conversation with Pennington.

by John Morgan on Jun 25, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Seneca

..as a backup. He did well last year with the receivers and line that he had. I like Trent Edwards over him though

by TheSteelersRuinedMyBirthday on Jun 23, 2009 9:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wallace is a receivers quarterback......

Meaning, he works out with the receiver group, he runs routes, he sees what the other receivers see. So I think the nate doggs,the 83’s, and such like that about him.

 (by the way what’s this "I don’t play for the love I play to get paid thing all about?)

"Superhero like even"

by censor1979 on Jun 24, 2009 11:00 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Honest question: Would you rather have Seneca Wallace or Alex Smith/Shaun Hill?

Wallace seems to be a great backup, and Smith/Hill would be backups just about everywhere else.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jun 24, 2009 5:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Deja Vu. Wow. I just made a Hill crack in reply to you in another post...

I really haven’t seen enough of him to say he’d be any better than Seneca as a passer. Seneca, by my accounts, has a definitive edge in mobility and an occasionally good deep-ball – something I’ve not seen from Hill, either.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Jun 24, 2009 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Hill

but they can keep Smith.

by John Morgan on Jun 25, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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