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NFC West Roundtable: Defensive Tackle

Seattle Seahawks
Blogger: John Morgan

This grade should be higher. It frustrates me a bit that it isn’t. Seattle struck gold in 2007 drafting Brandon Mebane in the third round. Mebane has been the best defensive tackle taken in his class, leading it in sacks, starts, tackles for a loss, tackles and forced fumbles. He holds, walks back and often splits double teams making him the rare defensive tackle that is stout against the run and dangerous rushing the passer. He’s also one of the youngest members of his class, having excelled in the league at 22 and 23. Mebane is the kind of talent that should make filling out a good tackle rotation easy, but Seattle hasn’t.

Seattle looked to have struck gold in 2008 drafting Red Bryant in the fourth round. Everyone loves Bryant’s talent. 320 lb men should not move like Bryant. His mix of size, power and moves should make him the perfect fit for what Seattle is doing defensively and the perfect pairing for Mebane. But Bryant is unbelievably raw. For all his talent, Bryant was alternately great and awful with the awful too often overshadowing the great and the awful dictating his draft position. Coach Fran’s antiquated option stopping system didn’t help. Bryant needs time to adjust to the NFL. He missed three-quarters of his rookie season because of injury. At 25 and rawer than walking cattle, there’s real bust potential for Bryant.

Seattle insured itself against that possibility by signing Colin Cole to a five-year, $21.4 million contract. The soon to be 29 year old defensive tackle has eight starts in a six-year career. He’s 330 and chiseled, so people reflexively say he’s a run stuffer, but in truth he was one of the weak links on a ruinously bad Packers’ run defense. The guy gets pushed around. He handles single blocks, but doesn’t generate much pass rush. His skill set isn’t well fit for the NFL: not fast enough to rush and not stout enough to stuff. Cole would need a Pat Williams-like career renaissance to justify his contract, and much to my frustration, his contract will keep in him in Blue and keep him starting for at least two seasons.

Besides Bryant, the team has newly minted utility defensive lineman Cory Redding to pop into the three tech on obvious passing downs and holdover Craig Terrill to provide situational pass rush. Terrill is the other half of a longstanding weakness for Seattle, but he’s not a bad player. Just a one-dimensional player that’s bad, bad, bad against the run. Matched with Howard Green, the two made an agonizingly flimsy second unit. Redding is slimming down to play defensive end and murmurs suggest last season's knee injury is career altering, but he's a high motor type that finds action. As a third down defensive tackle, he will give Seattle good burst and steady disruption in the interior.

The best case scenario is somehow Bryant wins out over Cole and Seattle starts Bryant at nose tackle and Mebane at under tackle. That gives Seattle two nose tackle types that can also rush the passer. Redding and Cole could then form a good second unit. Or, should Seattle use situational substitutions, the team could be as beefy as Cole and Bryant in the middle and as fast and light as Redding and Terrill.

So you see, it frustrates me to give Seattle a "C", because there’s some good talent and some great depth, but I’m not so sure the talent develops and right now the depth, Redding and Cole, are being slotted to start—Redding at defensive end. Training camp could change that. Football should be meritocratic, but contracts and politics and seniority and schemes often push superior talent towards the fringe.

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San Francisco 49ers
Blogger: Fooch

As the 49ers have slowly transitioned from a 4-3 defense to a 3-4 defense, a sticking point has been the nose tackle.  Aubrayo Franklin will never be confused with Vince Wilfork or Casey Hampton.  At the same time, Franklin did an admirable job last season in the nose tackle role.  He made plays, penetrated the offensive line and showed dramatic improvement from his first season with the 49ers.  The 49ers simplified things for him and utilized in more of a one-gap sort of technique.  Takeo Spikes was quoted as saying he was in the same class as Hampton and San Diego's Jamal Williams.  I won't go that far, but I was pleasantly surprised with his performance in 2008.  The big question for him is if he can show some consistency there.
 
The big question for the NT/DT as a whole is the depth.  Franklin does not seem like a guy who will be in every play whistle to whistle.  To make up for that, the 49ers have been getting Isaac Sopoaga and 2nd year man Kentwan Balmer reps in OTAs at nose tackle.  Sopoaga seems to be built to be a nose tackle, but he's tended to perform better in a 4-3 type of role.  While I won't call him a failure as a 49er, I do think he's really struggled to meet the potential he seems to have.  As for Balmer, he didn't do much of anything as a rookie and will hopefully be able to concentrate more on his defensive end duties this year.
 
The team still mix in a 4 down linemen defense on 3rd down and I'd imagine we'll see a guy like Justin Smith moving inside to defensive tackle.  However, given his normal role as a defensive end and the primary use of the 3-4, I won't use him to beef up the 49ers grade.
 

Overall, I think Franklin will be solid for the 49ers at nose tackle this season.  They certainly will need it if they're going to improve that defense.  At the same time, the lack of significant depth at nose tackle lead me to a grade of C.

Arizona Cardinals
Blogger: cgolden

The Arizona Cardinals are one of the many teams who have jumped on the 3-4 band wagon and even though they've been some form of mixed/hybrid defense for a couple of seasons, they are expected to look and function much more like a conventional 3-4 defense this season. With that being said, the rock of any respectable 3-4 defense is a huge immovable rock in the middle of the defensive line. For the Cardinals defense to be successful in 2009, they need that immovable force to be Gabe Watson. Watson (6'3, 332), a fourth round pick in 2006, showed some promise during his first two seasons and looked to be in store for a big season heading into the 2008 season, but an off season treadmill accident left him with a fractured knee cap. He'd end up missing the first four games entirely and wouldn't end up starting a game until the Super Bowl. After the season we learned that he played with pain for most of the season and he had a second operation shortly after the season ended. Watson is expected to be ready for training camp and should regain the starting job by the season opener. If he can return to health and play as well as he did in 2007, the nose tackle position has the potential to be above average and the Cardinals' front seven could be very successful against opposing running games.

The dark lining to that silver cloud is that we basically heard the same news last year about Gabe Watson. He was supposed to be ready sometime during training camp and then he was supposed to be ready by opening day, but in the end a veteran journey man ended up starting 19 games. Bryan Robinson (6'4, 304) performed admirably last season as he played out of position and over his head for entire season, but the Cardinals are hoping that he can return to his backup role at both nose tackle and defensive end. He's no spring chicken (35 years old) and the Cardinals would most likely have to stick with some kind of hybrid front if Robinson is in the full time starting lineup. Somewhere behind Watson and Robinson bust-in-the-making Alan Branch. It almost seems like a decade ago that the Cardinals traded a fourth round pick in order to move up five spots in the second round to select Branch. In reality though that move in the 2007 draft has resulted in just 15 tackles in 15 games over the course of two seasons. He's been criticized for showing up to training camp and OTA's over weight and out of shape, as well as displaying a general lack of motivation. There are times when Branch still displays the ability to shoot gaps and withstand double teams without giving ground but those flashes are too often followed by long period of lackluster, uninspired football (hence the "flickering light bulb" analogy that Whisenhunt used last year).

Finally, from the "I have no idea what the expect" department is Rodney Leslie, a former fifth round pick of the Saints in 2004. He played in 17 games over his first three seasons before being cut in the training camp of 2007. He resurfaced with the Giants during their training camp last year but a rib injury ended his season before it even got started. He spent some time in Canadian football with the Saskatchewan Roughriders during their 2008 season. He's reportedly an undersized defender who makes up for athletic shortcomings by playing with tremendous desire and agression. The short of it though, is that he hasn't played a down in a NFL regular season game since 2006 so it seems almost foolish to expect him to anything other than training camp fodder, although there is a throng of Cardinals' fans who hope he pushes Branch out the door.

Overall I expect the production of this group to hinge entirely on the health of Gabe Watson. If he's healthy, he should be a force on first and second down with Robinson coming in on passing downs. Both guys should stay reasonably fresh the middle of the Cardinals defense should be tough to run against, but this position takes a major hit if Watson is sidelined for any or all of the regular season. I tend to think a best case scenerio would grade out as a B and the worst case scenerio would fall somewhere in the D range. With that in mind, I'll take the easy way out and say C.

Turf Show Times
Blogger: VanRam

The Rams are doing things a little different at DT this season, with Steve Spagnuolo at the helm. Rather than the traditional roles of NT and UT in the 4-3 defense, Spags and defensive coordinator Ken Flajole will use a left and right DT, making things thoroughly confusing for those of you keeping score at home, but hopefully allowing the DTs to better utilize their strengths.

The middle of the line will feature a heavy rotation of four true DTs and the occasional look with two DEs replacing them in some pass rush situations. The ostensible starters at DT for the Rams are Adam Carriker and Clifton Ryan. Carriker, a first round pick in 2007, has been a disappointment in the eyes of some and merely under performing according to others. His second season in the league was marred in part by a shoulder injury suffered at the end of his rookie year. Carriker has been miscast in St. Louis, lined up directly over opposing guards or between the guard and center, sometimes being employed even as a NT. Carriker, a former Nebraska DE, is a 3-technique tackle, and the new defensive scheme will keep in in place between the guard and tackle where he'll be expected to use his ability to attack through the line. The Rams, and their fans, are anxious to start getting a better return on Carriker.

Drafted in the 5th round of 2007, Ryan became a pleasant surprise in his rookie season. Though he's not really a prototype NT (just doesn't have the bulk), that's where the Rams, starved for bodies in that role in the past, have employed him. That won't be the case anymore, as Ryan becomes the starting right defensive tackle. Ryan is strong and quick. He can play well laterally, and should get help in the run stopping department with upgrades at MLB and SS, but should do well in the new defense with it's emphasis on forward movement.

Third on the depth chart is Darell Scott, a fourth round pick from Clemson who comes to the team with nice athletic ability...and in need of getting "coached up." He can play inside or outside, but the Rams reportedly want him to add another 10-15 lbs to his frame in order to utilize his ability to clog up running lanes and tie up blockers, making him something more akin to the true NT the team has lacked for a long time.

Behind Scott, the picture isn't quite as a clear, though the odds on favorite to get the fourth DT spot is Orien Harris, acquired from the Bengals in a trade for FB/RB Brian Leonard. Harris is kind of like a poor man's Clifton Ryan. Harris will have some competition at camp.

The Rams have upgraded their group of DTs to handle the run better, and if Adam Carriker plays closer to expectation this could be a good group. I'm optimistic given the addition of Scott and the changing role for Carriker, but it's just too hard to give them anything but a D grade right now. I suspect that will change early in the season though.

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"He’s 330 and chiseled"

I thought Colin Cole was a fatty with a 20% bodyfat percentage.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jul 10, 2009 2:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You put it at 18.6

which is pretty damn good for a player that is 330.

by John Morgan on Jul 10, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I thought that meant he was the Seahawks version of Carlos Silva.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jul 10, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is too low, John

The holes here don’t balance out with the strengths. I also see the concerns you have about the pairings, but Mebane is an A. As a tackle Redding is a B, it’s at end that he’s not quite the best fit. Red Bryant may be too raw, I have no clue but as depth that’s pretty harsh to tip the scales. Cole is below average, I know. Terrill is below average, but depth, and Bryant is potential but ra — depth. Pair them with Redding and Mebane and call that a C, that’s kind of an indictment.

by jacobstevens on Jul 10, 2009 2:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You just killed your own point, dude

:)

Listening to your arguments, I still come up with a “C”. That doesn’t mean they are average – just that there isn’t enough to put them anywhere else. Bryant has potential, and Redding could easily reestablish himself – he was in Detroit, after all, and many say misused.

I think there’s enough potential there for us fans to be optimistic – especially since there’s room for Mebane to get even better – but I can see where from a grading perspective you can’t really count on those things.

by PerryCollective on Jul 10, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not counting anything not hatched

Redding, Cole & Terrill are basically what you call average. Able tackles who have strengths to get by and weaknesses to hold them back. Can win some battles, can contribute in some ways, or hurt you in others if not used to their strengths.

The extent to which Mebane is above average doesn’t simply come out in the wash, to me. He’s an A for a tackle, very good — his weakest point, pass rush, still might be above average, considering his size & role & the blocking assignments targeting him.

Bryant, with unrealized potential and bustability, doesn’t swing much either way, or shouldn’t. So an average unit centered upon a very good tackle, it’s just hard to see C in that, else Mebane is simply a good tackle who seems better just because he’s unrecognized. He’s just below elite, I think, and makes the unit a B, because the rest of the guys aren’t that bad.

by jacobstevens on Jul 13, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, now that you say it, this is kind of what I was thinking.

I don’t know if either Redding or Cole can be considered a “liability”, so if they’re just average, having a very good to ProBowl starter and two capable possible starters sounds “above average” to me.

Too bad there’s no minuses.

by djafrot on Jul 13, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

To further weaken my case

Cole could possibly be considered a liability, from John’s analysis. I still say B.

by jacobstevens on Jul 13, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps, if you consider how much money he's making

Though I have a tough time understanding why they’d throw that much $ at someone who supposedly shows no signs of being a quality starter. Is he just for show? A gamble?

by djafrot on Jul 13, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who knows

They wanted a run stuffer, a big body, and couldn’t break the bank for an established guy. And all the established guys are old. Or Ngata. Looked through the potential guys, saw the big body, availability and affordability. Maybe saw a bad overall defense and a guy doing things kinda right, and had faith in Dan Quinn and themselves to get more out of him.

More likely scenario, from all the guys we picked up as players and coaches recently, is he wowed them in the interview. Due diligence on a free agent who might fit and a need they will address in FA or draft, liked him in the interview and it clouded the on-field assessment.

by jacobstevens on Jul 13, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree completely. Well-stated.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Jul 13, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

I’m a rail, and all my life been 9-11%, and now I’m over 30, and I’m up to almost 17%, and still a rail, more or less.

Didn’t think about it, but now that you put it that way, that’s as close to chiseled as a guy over 300 is going to get.

by jacobstevens on Jul 10, 2009 2:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Reply didn't work.

From the almanac:

Fewest Avg Yards on Run Tackle, DL

Rk Player Team Tkl Avg
1 F.Robbins NYG 27 0.3
2 A.Brown CHI 37 0.7
3 B.Mebane SEA 30 1.1
4 R.Meier JAC 27 1.1
5 G.Jackson ATL 26 1.2
6 M.Douglas BAL 33 1.2
7 T.Brown TEN 37 1.3
8 K.Jenkins NYJ 44 1.4
9 J.Babineaux ATL 30 1.4
10 J.Engelberger DEN 27 1.4
11 B.Keisel PIT 34 1.5
12 A.Haynesworth TEN 38 1.5
13 R.Edwards MIN 40 1.5
13 G.Dorsey KC 40 1.5
15 J.Williams SD 49 1.5
16 H.Ngata BAL 47 1.5
17 C.Kelsay BUF 37 1.5
18 K.Williams MIN 44 1.6
19 J.Tuck NYG 47 1.6
20 A.Ogunleye CHI 48 1.6
20 K.Williams BUF 48 1.6
Min. 25 run tackles

by jacobstevens on Jul 10, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow, just goes to show how awesome Mebane was

and yet, how terrible the rest of the guys up front were

by B.B.Finnegan on Jul 11, 2009 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It always seems like Carriker plays well against the Hawks

The numbers certainly aren’t there but I’m surprised he’s considered such a disappointment.

by Nate Dogg on Jul 10, 2009 3:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know about that.

I don’t think he has anything near the quickness that Tommie Harris has. I think his ceiling is as a slightly above average player.

by Brendan Scolari on Jul 12, 2009 2:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

C again.

Once again a C sounds about right for the Seahawks. Brandon Mebane is a legit DT, and at some point will make a Pro Bowl. Then you have Colin Cole and from his interviews he seems like a nice guy with a bit of a chip on his shoulder. So maybe now that he has been paid he can concentrate on being a top 20 DT in the NFL, or maybe that money will make him soft and he will be yet another player to not live up to his contract (lets hope he becomes a top 20 DT, I know I am).

After you get past what “could be” a good starting DT duo, you have some depth issues. Cory Redding is a DT, or maybe a DE, or maybe both, but the one thing that is true is if Redding is 100% at the start of the year he will be playing hard, remember he wants a new contract at the end of the season (he is on a one year deal). Also Redding has a Pro Bowl under his belt, so if he is right he can be a factor (if). Next on the list (or mine at least) is Red Bryant. I see Red as a guy that is still maybe one or two years from being what he “could” be. He has talent, size and speed, but he is just RAW. As a fourth option he will get his shot to show he can play this year, but I’m still not sold that he will be a “huge” factor this year. Then you have Craig Terrill, a guy with a non-stop motor, that plays hard on every down, but is nothing more than a pure pass rusher at the DT spot, who is not very good at stopping the run (a good 5th option). Plus Craig is a very good special teams DT who can gets a nice push and gets some good blocks. After Craig you have Kevin Brown who is nothing more than camp fodder at this point, and will more than likely make the practice squad not the main roster unless some injuries happen.

So a solid C is what the Hawks are right now (with an * that they might be as good as a B or B+ or as bad as a D-).

The Niners and Cards as C’s sounds right as well, but I really think the Rams will be better this year and I would give them a C right now as well, just what I think. The NFCW is stacked with a bunch of C’s at the DT spot (that didn’t sound right).

by JustinWF on Jul 10, 2009 6:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The problem with Bryant,

is that he doesn’t have a lot of time to develop. Which is annoying, because I think he has the tools to be a kickass DT.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jul 10, 2009 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It will be hard for Mebane to make the Pro Bowl.

He will have to contend with Haynesworth, the Williams’ from Minnesota, and Ngata to earn that spot. In order for him to be considered, he’d have to have a monster season.

Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.

by Carl Shinyama on Jul 11, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Big ass brain fart.

Still waking up over here in Hawaii.

Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.

by Carl Shinyama on Jul 11, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your point is still good though

Chances are Haynesworth and the Williams’ will block him.

by Nate Dogg on Jul 11, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

That’s a lot of competition at the DT spot.

I think the reason I had that brain fart is because for some reason, I kept picturing him in green and yellow, his colors at Oregon, which made me think he played for the Packers.

Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.

by Carl Shinyama on Jul 11, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a little more optimistic about our DTs, and think the C is too low

Just because Mebane is entering into his prime and becoming one of the elite tackles in the game, and….really, I just believe that the Mora and Co. will not screw up the other half of that tckle combo. Redding, Cole & Bryant all have legitimate concerns, but I have to believe at least one of them outperforms expectations.

I have to believe that Redding was acquired for a reason, even if that ends up as being moved to DE. I have to believe Ruskell had a good reason to give Cole $20 million, beyond what we already know about it. I have to believe there’s at least a chance Bryant will make some kind of improvement.

I think if at least one of those things happens, our DTs deserve a B grade, at least. Of course, I thought the combo of Mebane and Rocky Bernard last season was going to be awesome, and.it wasn’t (as far as I recall). So, what do I know? And maybe it’s better to temper expectations about so many variables, and let the players prove us right or wrong.

by J.L. White on Jul 10, 2009 7:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

If one half of your DT’s is young and almost Pro Bowl, how do you get a C? Every other part of the position would have to be an absolute scrub.

Maybe my assumptions about what a “C” means are off. At university, a “B” is pretty much average. “C” is pretty below that.

If a “C” is average, than I guess I am okay with it. Even then I have doubts.

by djafrot on Jul 10, 2009 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

John's grade seem to be 80% production and 20% potential

and we just haven’t seen anything out of the rest of the DT’s to make us think they’re not just average (Redding/Terrill) to scrubs(Cole/Bryant).

by Nate Dogg on Jul 11, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jees, you're right

Some crazy parents sue the schools nowadays if their kids get anything less than an A. The whole grading system is out of whack….which explains some of those Niners and Rams grades from the earlier posts. (I keed, I keed!)

by J.L. White on Jul 11, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome to grade inflation

If I’m being honest I didn’t deserve a couple of the grades I got.

by thebyron on Jul 11, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking as an instructor, students don't see a "C" as average these days.

“B” is average, “C” means whining will commence immediately. Oh, and God forbid you give a student a “D” or below.

"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?" - Dr. Venture

by Eegah on Jul 11, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I almost cried the last time I got a 'C' on my report card.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jul 11, 2009 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome to the Lake Wobegon

where everyone is above average.

And welcome to the real world, where the only people who accurately assess their abilities are the clinically depressed.

by LantermanC on Jul 11, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good writeup, John.

Stacey Nelson throws flaming screwballs.
It's great to be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Jul 11, 2009 5:54 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Redding

I’m interested to see how Redding will be used this year. More as a DT or DE? I suppose it will depend on the health/play of our DE’s and if either a). Bryant takes a big step forward or b). Cole plays like we’re paying him to. I have unfounded high hopes that Cole turns out to be one of those players that has a ho-hum, somewhat disappointing career until he moves on to another team, then breaks out. No basis for that, but I can see it happening.

by eeezzbok on Jul 11, 2009 7:23 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No matter how the Seahawks do at DT this year...

If they can’t get Sam Bradford or Eric Berry, I want them to get Gerald McCoy.

Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.

by Carl Shinyama on Jul 11, 2009 10:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Raw meat...

John, first of all – as usual – your insights are excellent and appreciated.

About Bryant you say:

 “Everyone loves Bryant’s talent. 320 lb men should not move like Bryant. His mix of size, power and moves should make him the perfect fit for what Seattle is doing defensively and the perfect pairing for Mebane. But Bryant is unbelievably raw.”

Lots of guys who are “raw” just take time to comes to grip with the speed and complexity of the game at this level. If he is stupid I can see him never getting his mind around it enough to have his body respond in all situations. If he is not stupid then there is a good chance he’ll “click” and go from “raw” to “seasoned” pretty quickly.

Hopefully, he’ll pass his Mensa entrance exam! Even if he doesn’t – with great physical talent even moderate increased understanding of what’s going on around him can lead to significant improvement. Lets get our our lucky rabbit’s feet charms.

by Mylegacy on Jul 11, 2009 12:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Considering our guards got a D...

I’d say C is pretty fair. I hope we see more Bryant this year but it’s hard to expect too large an improvement. Mebane’s a stud and Redding and Terrill will be good in their spots. I just hope Cole steps up can handle a double.

by Hawkhammer19 on Jul 11, 2009 3:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Redding is a former pro-bowler.

If he’s right health-wise and put in good situations, he can have a huge impact for our line. I think Redding is being undersold.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Jul 13, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which makes it all the more annoying that he's only here as a stopgap.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jul 15, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly. I wish his deal were longer.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Jul 16, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Impossible to give a meaningful grade

Good insights John – particularly on Cole, who many writers have been curiously high on even though he could not break into the starting lineup in Green Bay. Like you, I still don’t think he has proven himself as the run stuffer who deserves his new salary.

Still, we have not yet seen Mebane start at 3-tech DT, we have not seen Cory Redding play at DE or DT in our Bradley’s system, and we have not seen Red Bryant play healthy for a season. Based on that, who could give a meaningful grade?

What we know is that Cole can be a stout DT but maybe not starter quality, and we know that Terrill has a history of big plays for an undersized DT.

If things go well, Mebane and Bryant could team up to shock people this year with their combination of size, strength, and skills. Cole and Redding could be far above average as backup DTs rotating in to play many downs.

Add it all up and Seattle has the “potential” to grade out at B or even A if things go well for all these guys in the new system. Of course, “potential” is that thing that gets coaches fired, right?

by Stevo's on Jul 12, 2009 3:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Problem I have is that Cole is being paid too much to be a rotational DT,

and Redding cost a great OLB, although I expect him to be ahead of Bryant.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jul 12, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The D-line is one of the many exciting aspects of the team we have...

to look forward to this year. No one is sure what this group can do. Sometimes the whole is better than the parts. I think that’s what alot of us are hoping.

No matter what happens, this group should be better than we’ve had the last few years. About the only standout has been Mebane. Rocky occasionally made plays, but he hasn’t been dominant and he’s never gotten much push off the line. He’s been a solid rotational guy and that is about it.

One thing that is real nice is that our D-line is bigger. When it comes to the D-line, bigger usually means better.

Let’s get this season rolling. I’m ready to watch me some football.

by ASeahawkfan on Jul 12, 2009 11:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

"One thing that is real nice is that our D-line is bigger"

Yes, and I think it was Sando who recently reported that Seattle now has the biggest/heaviest D line squad in the NFC West. Not what we are used to. Definitely a new emphasis in the works from GM Ruskell.

by Stevo's on Jul 15, 2009 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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