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2008 Season Retrospective: Chris Spencer

Overview: Chris Spencer started 11 games before being put on injured reserve for a herniated disc in his lower back. He avoided surgery to remove a piece of loose cartilage and was healthy enough to participate in May minicamp. According to Stats Inc., Spencer allowed 2.5 sacks and was charged with one false start and no holding penalties.

What went right: Spencer again proved reliable at the point of attack and able to match against the most athletic and most powerful defensive tackles. In 2008, he did so consistently. He improved his ability to react to free rushers and protect the quarterback within the pocket. Spencer overcame his greatest deficit, his feet, and began to turn his athleticism and raw power into blocks in the second level. He improved his ability to sustain those blocks as the season progressed.

Quintessential Play:

Let's finish out the half. Memory tends to latch onto the vivid or painful, and Chris Spencer's premature snap was certainly painful. Another drive aborted. Cris Collinsworth took the opportunity to knock the young, largely unknown lineman, noting Mike Holmgren's displeasure. Last season, Spencer was bad. He tripped over his feet pulling and could hardly engage a block must less sustain it. This season, he's likely Seattle's second best offensive lineman on a pretty good unit. He's not the run blocker Mike Wahle is, but he's a better pass blocker and less mistake prone (who saw that coming?) He's probably not actually better than Sean Locklear, but sure as hell better than Locklear is right now. Listening to Collinsworth I couldn't help but think "Late."

That's the developing nature of truth. What was isn't. I see TV analyst once a week. Their takes are so dated, they'd tell you Weezer hit its stride with Hash Pipe. I think fans want to know who's next, not the faded name that was. So hear this: Chris Spencer, still not a value for a first round center, has played well. He's an athletic pull blocker who no longer slips over his shoelaces. He's not Bisquick and you don't see bodies in his wake, but he gets a block on his man and sustains reasonably well, even clobbers occasionally.

What went wrong: Patrick Willis threw him around in week two and that contributed to Willis' game-high eight tackles. Spencer could reach Willis, but Willis could easily shed Spencer. Seattle had no problem rushing against San Francisco, but Willis stopped three good runs from breaking into the third level. That game was a good example of how Spencer has still yet to live up to the potential that made him a first round talent.

His premature-snap false start is exactly the kind of gaffe that causes some to question Spencer's football intelligence. It was his only penalty of the season.

What really went wrong was Spencer's back injury, the latest in a line of serious injuries, including injuries to both shoulders. A line of injuries that may have already chipped away at his athletic potential and that haven't abated, but grown more serious as Spencer has aged.

Outlook: Spencer was playing the best football of his career before he was placed on IR. It's possible the move was some mix of precautionary, pragmatic and proof Seattle was throwing in the towel. Spencer could lose power and still be one of the most powerful centers in football. He could lose athleticism and still be one of the most athletic centers in football. But he hasn't yet learned the technique to one of the best centers in football, and right now he's not that close. Great potential is capable of great advancement in minimal time. It can seem almost miraculous to the casual observer, but in Spencer's case, the groundwork is laid and the path to stardom almost too obvious.

His play last season was the best of his young career. He is out from under a boss that humiliated and underappreciated him. His new boss has a different standard of excellence and has spoken kindly of him. He is no longer being asked to be something he's not, and may now develop more freely into who he is. Spencer will never be Robbie Tobeck or Frank Winters, but he could be Kevin Mawae. This is a make or break season for him in Seattle, but like Mawae, he could struggle as a Seahawk but still develop into a great player.

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"What was isn't" in a retrospective.

Spencer has a huge role to play in what the Hawks do with their o-line over the next couple years. If he stays healthy and performs at last years level or better Seattle won’t need to touch their line for the foreseeable future, if he fails there could be a lot of turmoil and player’s changing positions.

by Nate Dogg on Jul 14, 2009 4:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This is a contract year

for him, so he won’t have a huge role to play if he leaves in the off season, which is very likely.

by Fear on Jul 15, 2009 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No holding penalties is pretty good,

As is only 2.5 sacks, but how does a Center get a False Start? That’s practically impossible.

What I love about Spencer is that he can block solo without much help from the Guards. It makes for a much more flexible and aggressive O-line (can you say "Zone Blocking? I knew you could!).

by Groundhog on Jul 14, 2009 5:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I like the Mawae analogy.

Do we stick with the guy and allow him to become a dominate, pro-bowler as part of our line? Or, do we let him walk at the end of his deal and become a household name elsewhere?

I’m excited to see him perform under the new staff.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Jul 14, 2009 8:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's not guaranteed Spencer will become a Pro-Bowler, or dominant.

What if he continues to be inconsistent, and somewhat underwhelming? What if he starts looking good but then gets another injury, like how it was last season?

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jul 14, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True...

But if we DON’T stick with him, he most certainly will not become one with us, that’s the dynamic Misfit and I both have bouncing around our heads…

I remember we let go of Mawae and I didn’t think much of it, but then a year or two later I see him in an article in ESPN the Mag as THE dominant center in the league (hyperbole or not— it was never even a consideration in Seattle) and I was like WTF!??!?

This year is totally his make or break year. Yes, big Max can take his place— but in an ideal world they play elite football beside each other and we are better for having both of them mature and develop into upper tier NFL starters.

Please, for the LOVE OF GOD, stop suggesting next year's 1st round pick (or picks) be used for Taylor Mays and or a QB of the future. Let's just let the season unfold, people, and evaluate much deeper in the process!!!

by whiskey chainsaw on Jul 15, 2009 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Center false start

A center can get a false start by wiggling or moving the ball in such a way that he is faking the beginning of a snap.

by UW Alex on Jul 14, 2009 8:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

if Spencer's 09 is like 08

and he stays healthy all year I have to think the Seahawks will look at resigning him. He seems to be completely under appreciated by almost all the league. It would be nice to have Locklear, Unger, and Spencer all locked up for a few years.

by Hancock.Brett on Jul 15, 2009 6:24 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I am pretty sure...

if he does have a year as good as 09 and stays healthy all year he will no longer be underappreciated across the league. Contract Year status has a tendency to do that, and we know given our own problems (which aren’t the bad compared to much of the league) how difficult it is to field a strong offensive line.

He’ll get several suitors in the off season— and I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets several even with a somewhat down year…

Please, for the LOVE OF GOD, stop suggesting next year's 1st round pick (or picks) be used for Taylor Mays and or a QB of the future. Let's just let the season unfold, people, and evaluate much deeper in the process!!!

by whiskey chainsaw on Jul 15, 2009 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its all about his back.

If his herniated disc returns, its over for Spencer. Unger will take his job and Chris will be searching for work next offseason. If his back (and shoulders) are healthy all season he should finally be able to demonstrate his abilities and value. But spinal discs are tricky things… and centers take a pounding….

I was intrigued by John’s comment “Spencer will never be Robbie Tobeck or Frank Winters, but he could be Kevin Mawae.” I’m not an O line expert, but as I recall I rarely saw Tobeck get into the linebackers and pulverize people the way Kevin Mawae did. I always thought Tobeck was a good guy on a great line, and he was an undrafted FA and a backup as a rookie and it wasn’t until his 10th or 11th year that he became recognized as a great center. No disrespect to Robbie, who was a real leader, but if Spencer gets healthy, I don’t see why he can’t become a better C while still young.

by Stevo's on Jul 15, 2009 8:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Spencer is not Tobeck

Robbie Tobeck gets all the respect in the world from me, but the strength of his game was not in his athleticism or powerful blocking — it was in his cerebral, cagey approach to the game. He did with his brain and so-so athleticism what a lot of centers couldn’t do with greather athletic abilities. I sincerely hope Spencer improves his game enough to stay with us and have a stellar career, but so far the strength of his game is not the cerebral part, and that’s why he “will never be Robbie Tobeck.”

by BlueTalon on Jul 15, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think we'll part with both Spencer and Sims.

But I doubt we’ll resign both of them. Whoever plays better we’ll resign and put Unger in the vacated spot.

by Hawkhammer19 on Jul 15, 2009 10:13 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The LB contracts and needing to find a QB

And having 2 first round picks, both potentially top 10. But it’s not out of the question. Just depends, we will probably need a safety, a tackle, at least one more Dlineman (with Redding possibly gone and Kerney one year older) and we always take a lineman, in the middle rounds, and we might want a new early round RB. Wahle may well be gone.

The draft only has implications on this in terms of the cost of the first round, and that we’ll be taking another lineman. But most all of those positions, except for QB really, could be filled in free agency. Presuming there will be a cap. Sims almost certainly won’t be expensive. So only if Spencer makes himself cost-prohibitve as a Center, for our sitation…OK, I’ve gone and changed my own mind, there’s not solid reason why we won’t bring them both back.

by jacobstevens on Jul 15, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This comment got more and more interesting with each sentence.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jul 15, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totally.

I could see the little car driven by a bear whirling through js’s head… DOO DOO DOODEE DOODEE DOO DOO DOO DOO… and yet still coming up with a sensible result.

by djafrot on Jul 15, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hope Spencer comes up big in 09.

I loved Spencers upside coming out of Ole Miss (but I still don’t buy he was a first rounder) and I still think at 27 he has some good to great football in him over the next five years. His back and shoulders are a HUGE concern, but if he can get keep from any major injuries this year, he may play some of his best ball yet. I really think Chris can be a notch below a pro bowler (this year) if he can stay healthy (and a notch below is ok with me after the last 2 1/2 years).

He will be asked to get out and move (more) in this “new” zone running game, so that is a good thing, but he will have to make more line calls, which I’m not so sure about (yet). Overall Chris is in a make or break year and if he is not up to the task Unger will be starting before the end of the year, no ifs, ands or buts.

by JustinWF on Jul 15, 2009 7:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Isn't Mawae a better center than Toebeck?

Toebeck made only one pro bowl, right? He was great for our line because we already had power. But Toebeck himself wasn’t particularly powerful, whereas Spencer is. I’ve seen Spencer drive block people five yards off the line, never saw that from Toebeck.

I don’t know how Spencer will turn out. The center’s job was alot harder in Holmgren’s offense and he was spoiled by Toebeck since he had such a great mental grasp of the game. Spencer may be perfect for this zone blocking scheme. I hope the guy steps up and makes a name for himself in the league.

I’ve seen flashes of raw power from Spencer that makes me wonder what this line would have been like with Walt, Hutch, and Spencer together. I still believe the weak interior guards have hurt Spencer’s development. He has had to overcompensate too much for weak guard play. He gets very little help from the rook guards, who are too caught up in trying to do their job right.

I have high hopes for Spencer this year. I hope he lives up to his first round draft status. He certainly has the physical and athletic potential. I doubt he lacks football intelligence as some insinuate. Center is a hard position. The man needs time to learn it.

by ASeahawkfan on Jul 17, 2009 2:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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